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Wait, What Controversy about Pundit and Zak?

Started by Mistwell, July 07, 2014, 02:16:55 PM

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Mistwell

July 07, 2014, 02:16:55 PM
From the front page of ENWorld, in the news section, is this bit:

QuoteThere has been some controversy about the use of some of the consultants listed in the D&D Basic Game and the D&D Starter Set - namely [REDACTED](alternatively listed in the Basic Rules as TheRPGPundit) and Zak S. I thought it might be worth explaining what it was a consultant does, so I asked one, who told me that "Consultants were asked to read, play, analyze and rip apart a substantial early edition of the rules. Lots of interaction with WotC and analysis, but consultants had no decision-making ability whatsoever other than providing rules feedback." This took place a couple of years ago, in May-June 2012. WotC's Mike Mearls also weighs in with the following statement about consultants, and also about race/gender issues which have been discussed recently:

Anyway: it's very late and I am a feeling a bit sick, so I will keep this brief.

1. If anyone has any direct evidence of racism or sexism or any other form of discrimination on the part of people attached to D&D, please drop a line to me. Email is mike.mearls@wizards.com

2. Consultants on the project were hired to tear the game apart and pull no punches, so being brutal was basically a job requirement.

3. How we present race and gender in the game had nothing to do with anyone beyond me, Jeremy Crawford, and our art director, Kate Irwin. I have read up on issues of race, gender, and inclusivity in gaming and have done everything I can to address them. Will it be perfect? No. But I pay attention to this stuff because it's important. The consultants had no role in that department.

The other consultants listed are Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, and Vincent Venturella.


Read more: http://www.enworld.org/#ixzz36o9GIZTG

OK, so what the heck is this about? What controversy, where?

JamesV

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July 07, 2014, 02:21:15 PM
Dude, check out Pundit's forum, and read the current thread there. Let's try to keep that drama-train outta here.
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July 07, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;765592What controversy, where?

TBP, because they're both kind of egotistical wankers who have said the odd thing in the past that might be vaguely construed as problematic if one is determined to assume the worst about them.

Can we just close this thread now instead of letting it get angry and unpleasant here?
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July 07, 2014, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;765592From the front page of ENWorld, in the news section, is this bit:



OK, so what the heck is this about? What controversy, where?

RPGnet has been waxing well past lunatic over about anything to do with 5th ed. See the other threads detailing the meltdown over there.

Some nuts are claiming Pundit and Zak are racist, rapists, god knows what else and that their "sick and twisted rape culture views" were distilled into 5th ed. Start the crusade!

robiswrong

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July 07, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Omega;765598RPGnet has been waxing well past lunatic over about anything to do with 5th ed. See the other threads detailing the meltdown over there.

Some nuts are claiming Pundit and Zak are racist, rapists, god knows what else and that their "sick and twisted rape culture views" were distilled into 5th ed. Start the crusade!

They've only claimed, to my knowledge, that :

Zak S is a stalker and instructs his follower to harass people off of the internet if they disagree with him

Zak S is misogynistic and transphobic

Pundit is transphobic (I don't think he got hit with the misogynist label)

dragoner

#5
July 07, 2014, 02:33:53 PM
The Purple Taliban are off on a crusade, it's what they do.
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Omega

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July 07, 2014, 02:34:54 PM
Quote from: robiswrong;765600Pundit is transphobic (I don't think he got hit with the misogynist label)

Pundit is afraid of trains? That is kinda creepy I guess. I would have placed him as the fear of clowns type though. :eek:

Now it makes sense why there arent any trains in 5th ed...

dragoner

#7
July 07, 2014, 02:37:39 PM
In reality it is a sublimated campaign against 5e and Mearls, but they are a cowardly pack of rats, hanging about the sewer that is tbp.
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Piestrio

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July 07, 2014, 02:38:33 PM
Quote from: robiswrong;765600They've only claimed, to my knowledge, that :

Zak S is a stalker and instructs his follower to harass people off of the internet if they disagree with him

Zak S is misogynistic and transphobic

Pundit is transphobic (I don't think he got hit with the misogynist label)

And they have literal MOUNTAINS of evidence.

Just tons of the stuff.

They are drowning in examples.

But you can't see any of it. And it's not available to other people looking into it.

Because reasons.

And feels.
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July 07, 2014, 02:47:28 PM Last Edit: July 07, 2014, 03:14:14 PM by jadrax
Quote from: Omega;765603Pundit is afraid of trains? That is kinda creepy I guess. I would have placed him as the fear of clowns type though. :eek:

Now it makes sense why there arent any trains in 5th ed...

Yeah, Eberron was going to be the base setting, but it got scrapped due to the Lightning Rail...

Jame Rowe

#10
July 07, 2014, 02:54:15 PM
Quote from: jadrax;765611Yeah, Ebberon was going to be the base setting, but it got scrapped due to the Lightning Rail...

Hey! I like Eberron! I want my railroad, buy gum!
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#11
July 07, 2014, 03:04:28 PM
As this is basically the third thread that has discussed this i'm moving it to Pundit's forum.

The Butcher

#12
July 07, 2014, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: Piestrio;765605And they have literal MOUNTAINS of evidence.

Just tons of the stuff.

They are drowning in examples.

But you can't see any of it. And it's not available to other people looking into it.

Because reasons.

And feels.

And vibes, too. I think. They're always all likes "vibes!!!11!1!" to each other.

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#13
July 07, 2014, 03:23:02 PM
Quote from: dragoner;765604In reality it is a sublimated campaign against 5e and Mearls, but they are a cowardly pack of rats, hanging about the sewer that is tbp.

...ummm, the quotation is from ENworld?
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#14
July 07, 2014, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: Old Geezer;765631...ummm, the quotation is from ENworld?

The heat started in TBP, and has since started to spill (or shall I say ooze?) all over RPG social media.
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