Turning the corner on "woke"?

[Trond]

Shark, you're not always helping your side 

[fixable]

If you are white straight christian then I can see how you would believe that the right speaks to you and protects you. But wait until the right gets more tight...

Are you the RIGHT kind of christian? It'll be a matter of when not if when they come for you. It won't stop with abortion or same sex marriage. When they finish going through the line.. you'll be next under scrutiny. Are you a proper christian???

....You actually believe the Christian right still has any kind of power in the U.S.?
Jesus you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Based on the new abortion restriction laws being passed, I think the Christian right do still have some influence, but I do think it's much less than it was.

The curious thing to me about changes is how the right have shifted closer to some of my positions that in past decades used to be viewed as leftist or progressive -- opposition to U.S. foreign wars, opposition to corporate power, and free speech. In the 1990s and 2000s, mainstream Democrats have usually been hawkish - but at least less hawkish than Republicans (60% of Democrats voted against Bush's Iraq war). Neither party used to be supportive of free speech - efforts in the 1990s to censor lyrics were bipartisan, for example, but opposition to this was more from the left. And corporations would naturally cater to whoever was in power, but laws and action to rein them in (like anti-trust) more often came from the left.

Still, I seem just as hateful as ever to the right - such as from being environmentalist and favoring LGBT rights.

Boo Hoo! Women aren't being allowed to murder their babies! Cry me a river.

That should be a humanitarian position, science tells us life begins at conception and that it's a human life, but you are happy to strip a baby from his human rights because?

They aren't babies until their born. But a fertilization can lead to a miscarriage. Which can be pretty high earlier in the pregnancy. So fertilization can not be an indicator. Unless you are ok with the idea of a woman having a miscarriage being charged with murder.

But say that is not true... do you support free medical care for women who need to carry their pregnancy to term without regard for their financial situation? Do you support child care to help women afford to raise these children that they may not be able to afford? Do you support death sentence for rapists (or is rape more acceptable than abortion)?, do you accept free mental health support to mothers forced to raise children they don't  want?  Do you support financial compensation based on existing salary for life for any woman forced to have a child and leave their job?

Do you support financial and emotional support to women forced to have unviable children (forced to give birth to genetically defective infants that will suffer and die). Maybe you don't know, but some genetic defects are HORRIFYING... Lile worse than any horror movie you have seen (make Jacob's Ladder feel like My Little Pony level horror). Will you support the need for mental health support needed for that?

Edwards Syndrome (Trisomy 18)
Edwards syndrome (trisomy 18) is rare, affecting only one of every 5,000 births. Around 95% of cases are caused by an extra chromosome 18. The remaining 5% of cases are due to an error known as translocation in which the building blocks of one chromosome is inserted into another.6

Edwards syndrome is characterized by low birth weight, an abnormally small head, and defects in the heart, kidneys, lungs, and other organs. While a few children with Edwards syndrome survive to adolescence, the majority die within the first year (and often the first days) of life.6

Patau Syndrome (Trisomy 13)
Patau syndrome (trisomy 13) is the third most common autosomal disorder among newborns after Down syndrome and Edwards syndrome. Most cases are related to a full trisomy; a very small proportion is caused by translocation or a similar condition known as mosaicism in which the chromosomal building blocks are rearranged.7

Children with Patau syndrome will often have cleft lips and palates, extra fingers or toes, heart defects, severe brain abnormalities, and malformed or rotated internal organs. The severity of symptoms is such that a baby with Patau syndrome rarely lives past the first month.

Warkany syndrome (trisomy is a common cause of miscarriage and usually results in newborn death within the first months. Babies born with Warkany syndrome typically have a cleft palate, distinctive facial features, heart defects, joint malformation, abnormal or missing kneecaps, and an abnormally curved spine (scoliosis).8

Trisomy 22
Trisomy 22 is the second most common chromosomal cause of miscarriages. Survival beyond the first trimester is rare in babies with full trisomy 22. The severity of physical and organ defects is such that babies carried to term are unable to survive for more a few hours or days.4

Some babies with mosaic trisomy 22 do survive. The severity of birth defects is determined by the number of cells with the mutated chromosomal copy. Characteristic detects include heart abnormalities, kidney problems, intellectual disability, muscle weakness, and cognitive and developmental delays.10

[fixable]

This is more significant than you give it credit to it's the first real challenge to big techs monopoly. The algorithm going open source also will expose the bias we knew was there. My eye is on the feds atm at what they will do. We know they are in bed with social media and big tech to get around 1st ammendment violations

I'm interested in seeing the algorithm go open source and be allowed to be examined.

I'd like to see how my social media feed is being manipulated.

As far as 1st amendment violations, it remains to be seen. Free speech is protected from government action, not private corporations (which is why being banned on twitter is not a 1st amendment violation). Twitter can implement whatever limitations on speech it desires now and under Musk. If Musk wants to open the flood gates, so be it. We can let the 'free market' decide. In light of the lack of popularity of other so called 'free speech' platforms... this can probably ruin Twitter as a platform.

In my opinion, the people clamouring the most about free speech are the ones whose speech is the most abhorred.

So the fuck what? No seriously so the fuck what? Free Speech is just that, Free fucking Speech. Everyone gets to say what they want. Jesus Christ this sort of thinking is the height of concern trolling.

"Oh no if we let people say what they want, they might say mean things!"

Yeah they might. That's what the block button is for.

The cure for bad speech is more speech, not less. But lefties don't understand that.

Remember: Your speech is violence, to them.

I agree on the block button, though. Some people aren't worth talking to. But that's a decision by the individual, not for some nebulous 'committee' to decide.

   The thing that makes me scratch my head, is there is a *very* obvious target for those people regarding free speech.  Right wing populism absolutely terrifies them.  They immediately equate anything right of them as nazi, and seem to think that "nazi" ideas are some zombie virus that argumentation and facts can not over come.  Extremely strange that fear IMO.   Meanwhile, a kid can see literally any sort of disgusting porn imaginable through any slip of device security you can imagine on the internet.  It seems the priorities are oddly muddled with regards to "protecting" people's minds.

They see it that way because they don't understand that they are moving further and further left - to them, it's like they are standing still and everyone else is moving further right even though it's the exact opposite.  At this point, they all need to be institutionalized for mental illness.

If you are white straight christian then I can see how you would believe that the right speaks to you and protects you. But wait until the right gets more tight...

Are you the RIGHT kind of christian? It'll be a matter of when not if when they come for you. It won't stop with abortion or same sex marriage. When they finish going through the line.. you'll be next under scrutiny. Are you a proper christian???

....You actually believe the Christian right still has any kind of power in the U.S.?
Jesus you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Look at the current Supreme Court and the lower courts and try to gaslight me again. The Christian right is gaing all the power at the state level and are gunning for more. The christian right (I use lower case because true Christians would be appalled at this behavior... people who really follow Jesus, as a real prophet and holy person, would be so against this).

These people are so outside of what it is to be Christian that they've lost their way. They've been corrupted by the rich fancy churches and the rich false leaders who beckon you. I was raised Catholic and I never once was taught what is being spewed here. Being Christian and Catholic is about recognizing the trials and hardships that Jesus suffered and how to be better as a people in understanding that. How to see people for who they are and not for your own prejudices. For having forgiveness for those who have sinned... unequivocal under God. The Catholic religion states we are all sinners but for our duty under God.

Is it not only God that has the right to cast judgement?

[yancy]

HEY HEY, HO HO, ROE V WADE HAS GOT TO GO!

Well, that's a surprising turn, but for once I agree with you, glad that you've finally seen the light!

I hope one of your dozens of post edits doesn't take out the only good part :/

[jeff37923]

Shark, you're not always helping your side 

But he is entertaining......

[oggsmash]

If you are white straight christian then I can see how you would believe that the right speaks to you and protects you. But wait until the right gets more tight...

Are you the RIGHT kind of christian? It'll be a matter of when not if when they come for you. It won't stop with abortion or same sex marriage. When they finish going through the line.. you'll be next under scrutiny. Are you a proper christian???

....You actually believe the Christian right still has any kind of power in the U.S.?
Jesus you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Based on the new abortion restriction laws being passed, I think the Christian right do still have some influence, but I do think it's much less than it was.

The curious thing to me about changes is how the right have shifted closer to some of my positions that in past decades used to be viewed as leftist or progressive -- opposition to U.S. foreign wars, opposition to corporate power, and free speech. In the 1990s and 2000s, mainstream Democrats have usually been hawkish - but at least less hawkish than Republicans (60% of Democrats voted against Bush's Iraq war). Neither party used to be supportive of free speech - efforts in the 1990s to censor lyrics were bipartisan, for example, but opposition to this was more from the left. And corporations would naturally cater to whoever was in power, but laws and action to rein them in (like anti-trust) more often came from the left.

Still, I seem just as hateful as ever to the right - such as from being environmentalist and favoring LGBT rights.

Boo Hoo! Women aren't being allowed to murder their babies! Cry me a river.

That should be a humanitarian position, science tells us life begins at conception and that it's a human life, but you are happy to strip a baby from his human rights because?

They aren't babies until their born. But a fertilization can lead to a miscarriage. Which can be pretty high earlier in the pregnancy. So fertilization can not be an indicator. Unless you are ok with the idea of a woman having a miscarriage being charged with murder.

But say that is not true... do you support free medical care for women who need to carry their pregnancy to term without regard for their financial situation? Do you support child care to help women afford to raise these children that they may not be able to afford? Do you support death sentence for rapists (or is rape more acceptable than abortion)?, do you accept free mental health support to mothers forced to raise children they don't  want?  Do you support financial compensation based on existing salary for life for any woman forced to have a child and leave their job?

Do you support financial and emotional support to women forced to have unviable children (forced to give birth to genetically defective infants that will suffer and die). Maybe you don't know, but some genetic defects are HORRIFYING... Lile worse than any horror movie you have seen (make Jacob's Ladder feel like My Little Pony level horror). Will you support the need for mental health support needed for that?

Edwards Syndrome (Trisomy 18)
Edwards syndrome (trisomy 18) is rare, affecting only one of every 5,000 births. Around 95% of cases are caused by an extra chromosome 18. The remaining 5% of cases are due to an error known as translocation in which the building blocks of one chromosome is inserted into another.6

Edwards syndrome is characterized by low birth weight, an abnormally small head, and defects in the heart, kidneys, lungs, and other organs. While a few children with Edwards syndrome survive to adolescence, the majority die within the first year (and often the first days) of life.6

Patau Syndrome (Trisomy 13)
Patau syndrome (trisomy 13) is the third most common autosomal disorder among newborns after Down syndrome and Edwards syndrome. Most cases are related to a full trisomy; a very small proportion is caused by translocation or a similar condition known as mosaicism in which the chromosomal building blocks are rearranged.7

Children with Patau syndrome will often have cleft lips and palates, extra fingers or toes, heart defects, severe brain abnormalities, and malformed or rotated internal organs. The severity of symptoms is such that a baby with Patau syndrome rarely lives past the first month.

Warkany syndrome (trisomy is a common cause of miscarriage and usually results in newborn death within the first months. Babies born with Warkany syndrome typically have a cleft palate, distinctive facial features, heart defects, joint malformation, abnormal or missing kneecaps, and an abnormally curved spine (scoliosis).8

Trisomy 22
Trisomy 22 is the second most common chromosomal cause of miscarriages. Survival beyond the first trimester is rare in babies with full trisomy 22. The severity of physical and organ defects is such that babies carried to term are unable to survive for more a few hours or days.4

Some babies with mosaic trisomy 22 do survive. The severity of birth defects is determined by the number of cells with the mutated chromosomal copy. Characteristic detects include heart abnormalities, kidney problems, intellectual disability, muscle weakness, and cognitive and developmental delays.10

  Making a big list of EXTREMELY rare situations while failing to acknowledge at least 98 percent of abortions are convenience choices is being a bit dishonest.   If you say a baby is a fetus until birth, this means you are OK with aborting a pregnancy at 38 weeks?

[Trond]

They aren't babies until their born. But a fertilization can lead to a miscarriage. Which can be pretty high earlier in the pregnancy. So fertilization can not be an indicator. Unless you are ok with the idea of a woman having a miscarriage being charged with murder.

Personally I think opposing abortion rights creates more problems than it solves, but I'm not sure I get the thinking here. Why on earth would anyone treat a miscarriage as a murder?

[Ghostmaker]

They aren't babies until their born. But a fertilization can lead to a miscarriage. Which can be pretty high earlier in the pregnancy. So fertilization can not be an indicator. Unless you are ok with the idea of a woman having a miscarriage being charged with murder.

Personally I think opposing abortion rights creates more problems than it solves, but I'm not sure I get the thinking here. Why on earth would anyone treat a miscarriage as a murder?

Underpants gnome planning.

Actually, this makes sense if you're aware of how radlefties think. They lack the capacity to express nuance. This is much along the lines of how someone who defends themselves with deadly force from an attack is somehow equivalent to their attacker.

[HappyDaze]

Shark, you're not always helping your side 

But he is entertaining......

Perhaps in the manner of Jackass.

[oggsmash]

This is more significant than you give it credit to it's the first real challenge to big techs monopoly. The algorithm going open source also will expose the bias we knew was there. My eye is on the feds atm at what they will do. We know they are in bed with social media and big tech to get around 1st ammendment violations

I'm interested in seeing the algorithm go open source and be allowed to be examined.

I'd like to see how my social media feed is being manipulated.

As far as 1st amendment violations, it remains to be seen. Free speech is protected from government action, not private corporations (which is why being banned on twitter is not a 1st amendment violation). Twitter can implement whatever limitations on speech it desires now and under Musk. If Musk wants to open the flood gates, so be it. We can let the 'free market' decide. In light of the lack of popularity of other so called 'free speech' platforms... this can probably ruin Twitter as a platform.

In my opinion, the people clamouring the most about free speech are the ones whose speech is the most abhorred.

So the fuck what? No seriously so the fuck what? Free Speech is just that, Free fucking Speech. Everyone gets to say what they want. Jesus Christ this sort of thinking is the height of concern trolling.

"Oh no if we let people say what they want, they might say mean things!"

Yeah they might. That's what the block button is for.

The cure for bad speech is more speech, not less. But lefties don't understand that.

Remember: Your speech is violence, to them.

I agree on the block button, though. Some people aren't worth talking to. But that's a decision by the individual, not for some nebulous 'committee' to decide.

   The thing that makes me scratch my head, is there is a *very* obvious target for those people regarding free speech.  Right wing populism absolutely terrifies them.  They immediately equate anything right of them as nazi, and seem to think that "nazi" ideas are some zombie virus that argumentation and facts can not over come.  Extremely strange that fear IMO.   Meanwhile, a kid can see literally any sort of disgusting porn imaginable through any slip of device security you can imagine on the internet.  It seems the priorities are oddly muddled with regards to "protecting" people's minds.

They see it that way because they don't understand that they are moving further and further left - to them, it's like they are standing still and everyone else is moving further right even though it's the exact opposite.  At this point, they all need to be institutionalized for mental illness.

If you are white straight christian then I can see how you would believe that the right speaks to you and protects you. But wait until the right gets more tight...

Are you the RIGHT kind of christian? It'll be a matter of when not if when they come for you. It won't stop with abortion or same sex marriage. When they finish going through the line.. you'll be next under scrutiny. Are you a proper christian???

....You actually believe the Christian right still has any kind of power in the U.S.?
Jesus you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Look at the current Supreme Court and the lower courts and try to gaslight me again. The Christian right is gaing all the power at the state level and are gunning for more. The christian right (I use lower case because true Christians would be appalled at this behavior... people who really follow Jesus, as a real prophet and holy person, would be so against this).

These people are so outside of what it is to be Christian that they've lost their way. They've been corrupted by the rich fancy churches and the rich false leaders who beckon you. I was raised Catholic and I never once was taught what is being spewed here. Being Christian and Catholic is about recognizing the trials and hardships that Jesus suffered and how to be better as a people in understanding that. How to see people for who they are and not for your own prejudices. For having forgiveness for those who have sinned... unequivocal under God. The Catholic religion states we are all sinners but for our duty under God.

Is it not only God that has the right to cast judgement?

  Please tell me more about these true Christians.  I think about the last thing a Christian should do is let their enemies define them.  Tell you what, go make videos and papers and materials disparaging Christians, Jews, and Muslims.... see which one gets you the most blowback/trouble.   Then get back to me about who has what sort of power.   The "power" to make the government operate as the constitution directs is not some radical right shift, hell it isnt even pushback.  It is correcting an error.

[DocJones]

They aren't babies until their born.

Tell that every woman who has said "I can feel the baby kicking" or "I listened to the baby's heartbeat today".

[Shasarak]

They aren't babies until their born.

Tell that every woman who has said "I can feel the baby kicking" or "I listened to the baby's heartbeat today".

I would have called it Clumpy McClumpofCellsface

[jhkim]

Actually, this makes sense if you're aware of how radlefties think. They lack the capacity to express nuance. This is much along the lines of how someone who defends themselves with deadly force from an attack is somehow equivalent to their attacker.

There's extremes of every political side who lack nuance. The SHARK quotes about murdering all the Liberal Marxists aren't exactly laden with nuance either.

[3catcircus]

They aren't babies until their born.

Tell that every woman who has said "I can feel the baby kicking" or "I listened to the baby's heartbeat today".

Trying to reason with pro-abortion people is like trying to reason with the Taliban...

They are so brainwashed to believe that a fetus is a blob of cells until it magically transforms into a fully formed baby only at the moment it pops out of the mother's womb that they can't grasp the idea that fetal mammals are capable of conscious activity once the brain forms (grasping at an amniocentesis needle, responding to music or voices, etc.) Yet, these are the same fools who demand you not eat a lobster or crab because it can feel pain...

They don't get that the brain is developing the moment the neural tube closes at around 7 weeks and forms about 250,000 neurons per minute for the next 21 or so weeks.  *That's* why many states are banning abortion after 6 weeks.  Can a fetus at 14 weeks solve a math problem? No, but brain development doesn't stop until 25 years; one can argue that these pro-abortion fools still have fetal brain development that never occurred...

The disingenuousness of claiming about all these poor brown and black women who will die in back alleys  because they'll have a medical complication requiring an abortion is horse shit. Almost 99% of all abortions in the US (where abortion laws are already less restrictive than lmost anywhere else in the world) are being performed as a form of birth control.  It's an ultimate form of complete lack of responsibility for one's own actions.

[Pat]

NPR ran a bit today on how the anti-abortion movement is rooted in white supremacy.

Because of course they did.