Looks like the Tolkien Society is going down the drain. Just a reminder that JRR Tolkien was a traditional Catholic with a fascination for European myth primarily (he was one of the leading scholars interpreting Beowulf for instance).
https://archive.is/Q5Stn
Wow. Look at that list of absolute garbage topics by garbage humans!
And thats why I could never finish The Silmarillion
If you can't write something good, deconstruct someone else's work.
Quote from: Shasarak on June 11, 2021, 08:27:29 PM
And thats why I could never finish The Silmarillion
I did finish the Silmarillion and I am about 99 percent certain none of this shit was in it.
Look at this! LOOK AT IT!
QuoteCordeliah Logsdon – Gondor in Transition: A Brief Introduction to Transgender Realities in The Lord of the Rings
Clare Moore – The Problem of Pain: Portraying Physical Disability in the Fantasy of J. R. R. Tolkien
V. Elizabeth King – "The Burnt Hand Teaches Most About Fire": Applying Traumatic Stress and Ecological Frameworks to Narratives of Displacement and Resettlement Across Cultures in Tolkien's Middle-earth
Christopher Vaccaro – Pardoning Saruman?: The Queer in Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings
Sultana Raza – Projecting Indian Myths, Culture and History onto Tolkien's Worlds
Nicholas Birns – The Lossoth: Indigeneity, Identity, and Antiracism
Kristine Larsen – The Problematic Perimeters of Elrond Half-elven and Ronald English-Catholic
Cami Agan – Hearkening to the Other: Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth
Sara Brown – The Invisible Other: Tolkien's Dwarf-Women and the 'Feminine Lack'
Sonali Chunodkar – Desire of the Ring: An Indian Academic's Adventures in her Quest for the Perilous Realm
Robin Reid – Queer Atheists, Agnostics, and Animists, Oh, My!
Joel Merriner – Hidden Visions: Iconographies of Alterity in Soviet Bloc Illustrations for The Lord of the Rings
Eric Reinders – Questions of Caste in The Lord of the Rings and its Multiple Chinese Translations
Dawn Walls-Thumma – Stars Less Strange: An Analysis of Fanfiction and Representation within the Tolkien Fan Community
Danna Petersen-Deeprose – "Something Mighty Queer": Destabilizing Cishetero Amatonormativity in the Works of Tolkien
Martha Celis-Mendoza – Translation as a means of representation and diversity in Tolkien's scholarship and fandom
What the flying fuck IS this? Transgender realities in LOTR? WHAT? The queer in LOTR?! WHAT?! WHAT?!?
... I'm okay. I'm OKAY. Really. I just... fuck every one of these fucking useless ass bandit clowns for shitting in something I have fucking LOVED since I was a kid! God DAMN I am pissed off now. All I want to do is go full Spider Jerusalem and fill this text box with 'fuck' over and over till the keys melt off my keyboard!
It looks like a list of crazy bastards and what they sit around thinking. I remember when it was just about marriage equality. Now it seems to be about being injected into all culture, all pop culture, over represented on TV/movies, and now I guess singing songs for little kids on nickelodeon with commie symbols. This is just insanity.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 11, 2021, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on June 11, 2021, 08:27:29 PM
And thats why I could never finish The Silmarillion
I did finish the Silmarillion and I am about 99 percent certain none of this shit was in it.
Look at this! LOOK AT IT!
QuoteCordeliah Logsdon – Gondor in Transition: A Brief Introduction to Transgender Realities in The Lord of the Rings
Clare Moore – The Problem of Pain: Portraying Physical Disability in the Fantasy of J. R. R. Tolkien
V. Elizabeth King – "The Burnt Hand Teaches Most About Fire": Applying Traumatic Stress and Ecological Frameworks to Narratives of Displacement and Resettlement Across Cultures in Tolkien's Middle-earth
Christopher Vaccaro – Pardoning Saruman?: The Queer in Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings
Sultana Raza – Projecting Indian Myths, Culture and History onto Tolkien's Worlds
Nicholas Birns – The Lossoth: Indigeneity, Identity, and Antiracism
Kristine Larsen – The Problematic Perimeters of Elrond Half-elven and Ronald English-Catholic
Cami Agan – Hearkening to the Other: Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth
Sara Brown – The Invisible Other: Tolkien's Dwarf-Women and the 'Feminine Lack'
Sonali Chunodkar – Desire of the Ring: An Indian Academic's Adventures in her Quest for the Perilous Realm
Robin Reid – Queer Atheists, Agnostics, and Animists, Oh, My!
Joel Merriner – Hidden Visions: Iconographies of Alterity in Soviet Bloc Illustrations for The Lord of the Rings
Eric Reinders – Questions of Caste in The Lord of the Rings and its Multiple Chinese Translations
Dawn Walls-Thumma – Stars Less Strange: An Analysis of Fanfiction and Representation within the Tolkien Fan Community
Danna Petersen-Deeprose – "Something Mighty Queer": Destabilizing Cishetero Amatonormativity in the Works of Tolkien
Martha Celis-Mendoza – Translation as a means of representation and diversity in Tolkien's scholarship and fandom
What the flying fuck IS this? Transgender realities in LOTR? WHAT? The queer in LOTR?! WHAT?! WHAT?!?
... I'm okay. I'm OKAY. Really. I just... fuck every one of these fucking useless ass bandit clowns for shitting in something I have fucking LOVED since I was a kid! God DAMN I am pissed off now. All I want to do is go full Spider Jerusalem and fill this text box with 'fuck' over and over till the keys melt off my keyboard!
Greetings!
So true, Ghostmaker! These kinds of terrible, evil, and corrupt things--and more--are why I absolutely despise all of the cock-sucking Liberal Marxists. They are disgusting, and like filthy, evil rats. They are always scheming, always yearning to corrupt and destroy everything in our culture--and seek to gain power, and impose absolute darkness and tyranny.
Shitting all over JRR Tolkien and his cherished works of literature and history--they won't stop, my friend. Absolutely appalling! I too, have loved Tolkien's works ever since I was a kid. I first read The Hobbit, then The Lord of the Rings, and then, yes, the magnificent and awe-inspiring Silmarillion.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
It's like someone looked at the LARPers, and said, "How could we be even weirder?"
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on June 12, 2021, 05:11:12 AM
It's like someone looked at the LARPers, and said, "How could we be even weirder?"
Well, that explains Furries at least.....
How can these people call themselves the "Tolkein Society"? Sincerely. Anyone promoting this stuff needs to be kicked out. Go write about Mercedes Lackey or some other trash-tier author if you want to engage in this type of garbage wankery.
Quote from: Zelen on June 12, 2021, 08:09:47 PM
How can these people call themselves the "Tolkein Society"? Sincerely. Anyone promoting this stuff needs to be kicked out. Go write about Mercedes Lackey or some other trash-tier author if you want to engage in this type of garbage wankery.
Greetings!
Mercedes Lackey! ;D *Laughing* I remember her. I have read a few of her books. I was not impressed, at all. I remember reading and earing about all of the acclaim for her, how "Deep", "Profound", and "Inspirational" her books are. I don't get it. As an author, her books come across to me like they are written by a Liberal, Bubblegum Wiccan who is overly impressed that she passed a basic English 101 college class. I've always wondered, what the hell do all of these writer-organizations, award programs, and giggling fans see in her that I don't?
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Ironically, Lackey isn't all that bad compared to someone like Scalzi (who's been coasting on Redshirts for how long now?).
Now if you want to fry your brains with some rice, consider Eric Flint, who's very pro-American and is also a fucking full on Trotskyite.
Yeah, I don't know how it works either. He does write a good stick though, and he's a nice enough fellow.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 11, 2021, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on June 11, 2021, 08:27:29 PM
And thats why I could never finish The Silmarillion
I did finish the Silmarillion and I am about 99 percent certain none of this shit was in it.
Look at this! LOOK AT IT!
QuoteCordeliah Logsdon – Gondor in Transition: A Brief Introduction to Transgender Realities in The Lord of the Rings
Clare Moore – The Problem of Pain: Portraying Physical Disability in the Fantasy of J. R. R. Tolkien
V. Elizabeth King – "The Burnt Hand Teaches Most About Fire": Applying Traumatic Stress and Ecological Frameworks to Narratives of Displacement and Resettlement Across Cultures in Tolkien's Middle-earth
Christopher Vaccaro – Pardoning Saruman?: The Queer in Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings
Sultana Raza – Projecting Indian Myths, Culture and History onto Tolkien's Worlds
Nicholas Birns – The Lossoth: Indigeneity, Identity, and Antiracism
Kristine Larsen – The Problematic Perimeters of Elrond Half-elven and Ronald English-Catholic
Cami Agan – Hearkening to the Other: Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth
Sara Brown – The Invisible Other: Tolkien's Dwarf-Women and the 'Feminine Lack'
Sonali Chunodkar – Desire of the Ring: An Indian Academic's Adventures in her Quest for the Perilous Realm
Robin Reid – Queer Atheists, Agnostics, and Animists, Oh, My!
Joel Merriner – Hidden Visions: Iconographies of Alterity in Soviet Bloc Illustrations for The Lord of the Rings
Eric Reinders – Questions of Caste in The Lord of the Rings and its Multiple Chinese Translations
Dawn Walls-Thumma – Stars Less Strange: An Analysis of Fanfiction and Representation within the Tolkien Fan Community
Danna Petersen-Deeprose – "Something Mighty Queer": Destabilizing Cishetero Amatonormativity in the Works of Tolkien
Martha Celis-Mendoza – Translation as a means of representation and diversity in Tolkien's scholarship and fandom
What the flying fuck IS this? Transgender realities in LOTR? WHAT? The queer in LOTR?! WHAT?! WHAT?!?
... I'm okay. I'm OKAY. Really. I just... fuck every one of these fucking useless ass bandit clowns for shitting in something I have fucking LOVED since I was a kid! God DAMN I am pissed off now. All I want to do is go full Spider Jerusalem and fill this text box with 'fuck' over and over till the keys melt off my keyboard!
Ehhh, you are assuming that any of these academic whores actually believe what they write. The really stupid ones do, for sure, but the rest are just writing what the current zeitgeist finds popular. This is publish or perish at its finest. Once everything has been said about a well-researched author, you have to start saying outlandished crap in order to even have a chance at getting that glorious lifetime professorial post. I'd have more respect for them if they did believe their own garbage, rather than just being the intellectual prostitutes they mostly are...
This tears it.
The next read-through of the Lord of the Rings I undertake, I will use my hardback omnibus edition I purchased back in the 1990s. The one that weighs as much as a car battery and is the size of the New York City phone book. I'll take it with me even if I have to carry it in a backpack, and I will read it in public, in parks, restaurants, wherever. The first person who walks up and says, "Oh, Lord of the Rings, how cool! Say, have you heard about the transgender realities in The Lord of the Rings?" will get beaten to death with that book.
Quote from: thedungeondelver on June 14, 2021, 03:42:23 AM
This tears it.
The next read-through of the Lord of the Rings I undertake, I will use my hardback omnibus edition I purchased back in the 1990s. The one that weighs as much as a car battery and is the size of the New York City phone book. I'll take it with me even if I have to carry it in a backpack, and I will read it in public, in parks, restaurants, wherever. The first person who walks up and says, "Oh, Lord of the Rings, how cool! Say, have you heard about the transgender realities in The Lord of the Rings?" will get beaten to death with that book.
Admirable, but after writing this you won't be able to claim temporary insanity. Might be worth it though.
QuoteSultana Raza – Projecting Indian Myths, Culture and History onto Tolkien's Worlds
How about no, Sultana?
Also, that photo of a previous conference looks a little threatening. LOOK AT ALL OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE. WE'RE SO SORRY.
Quote from: horsesoldier on June 14, 2021, 08:45:29 AM
QuoteSultana Raza – Projecting Indian Myths, Culture and History onto Tolkien's Worlds
How about no, Sultana?
Also, that photo of a previous conference looks a little threatening. LOOK AT ALL OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE. WE'RE SO SORRY.
"People". Heh.
Also, yeah, let's project Indian mythology into a book that was specifically written drawing on old Anglo-Saxon myths. 'Yeah that makes sense.'
Is that one asshole seriously trying to assign a gender to an elemental/angel being?
Wanna see something funny? Go to https://archive.is/ecZNo and check out the time schedule. Notice how long each 'seminar' is. 30 minutes. It's like even they know they can't make bricks without clay.
I mean, look at these.
QuoteCordeliah Logsdon – Gondor in Transition: A Brief Introduction to Transgender Realities in The Lord of the Rings
Here, let me speed this up: 'There aren't any. LOTR predates the current trans-trender fad.'
QuoteClare Moore – The Problem of Pain: Portraying Physical Disability in the Fantasy of J. R. R. Tolkien
This might not be half bad on its own, but considering the context, I expect it will be stupid whining about how the other hobbits don't validate Frodo and his missing finger.
QuoteV. Elizabeth King – "The Burnt Hand Teaches Most About Fire": Applying Traumatic Stress and Ecological Frameworks to Narratives of Displacement and Resettlement Across Cultures in Tolkien's Middle-earth
Wasn't the line in question an analogy for why Gandalf didn't trust Saruman after he'd escaped Orthanc?
QuoteChristopher Vaccaro – Pardoning Saruman?: The Queer in Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings
Saruman wasn't queer. Sit down.
QuoteSultana Raza – Projecting Indian Myths, Culture and History onto Tolkien's Worlds
Projection is a bad thing. Nobody's stopping you from developing a fantasy world based on Hindu mythology -- except for maybe yourself. That might be the issue here...
QuoteNicholas Birns – The Lossoth: Indigeneity, Identity, and Antiracism
Huh? I actually had to look up the Lossoth -- they're LOTR's version of the Inuit, and had aided Arvedui (the last king of Arnor) after Angmar pushed their shit in. Arvedui gave them the Ring of Barahir and told them to ransom it to his kin, if he was lost (which, sadly, he was). I grant there's a story to be told there, but what does racism have to do with it?
QuoteKristine Larsen – The Problematic Perimeters of Elrond Half-elven and Ronald English-Catholic
Can I have more drugs? 'Cause I can't see how this even makes sense.
QuoteCami Agan – Hearkening to the Other: Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth
This one could be interesting, but my guess is that it will suck like the rest. The reference is to conversations between a human woman, Andreth, and the king of Nargothrond, Finrod Felagund. The conversations centered on the differences between humans and elves, a particularly intense topic since Andreth had been deeply in love with Finrod's brother, Aegnor.
QuoteSara Brown – The Invisible Other: Tolkien's Dwarf-Women and the 'Feminine Lack'
Already explained in the LOTR appendices, Sara, assuming you know how to read. Dwarf women are few and look very similar to the men, which gives rise to the old myth in-universe of dwarves spawning from the earth.
QuoteSonali Chunodkar – Desire of the Ring: An Indian Academic's Adventures in her Quest for the Perilous Realm
I hope this is allegorical; desire for the One Ring is not a good thing.
QuoteRobin Reid – Queer Atheists, Agnostics, and Animists, Oh, My!
Nobody cares. Fuck off with you.
QuoteJoel Merriner – Hidden Visions: Iconographies of Alterity in Soviet Bloc Illustrations for The Lord of the Rings
Uh... I guess this could be kinda interesting, considering how much of LOTR was samizdat during the Soviet years.
QuoteEric Reinders – Questions of Caste in The Lord of the Rings and its Multiple Chinese Translations
Someone's trying to justify their student loans, I guess.
QuoteDawn Walls-Thumma – Stars Less Strange: An Analysis of Fanfiction and Representation within the Tolkien Fan Community
Once again, we see how 'representation' is somehow more important than quality. I hate these people so much.
QuoteDanna Petersen-Deeprose – "Something Mighty Queer": Destabilizing Cishetero Amatonormativity in the Works of Tolkien
Someone needs to destabilize this person's income stream.
QuoteMartha Celis-Mendoza – Translation as a means of representation and diversity in Tolkien's scholarship and fandom
Another cry for 'muh duhversity'. They spawn like mushrooms in the dark, buried in shit.
These idiots are setting academia back and they don't even know it.
Just Some Guy does a great breakdown of this seminar. He's more knowledgeable on Tolkien than I am.
Accelerate.
Quote from: hedgehobbit on June 14, 2021, 12:56:19 PM
Just Some Guy does a great breakdown of this seminar. He's more knowledgeable on Tolkien than I am.
This guy sounded vaguely familiar, so I watched a few of his videos. I had no idea what a big Tolkien fan he is. He pretty much got it pegged.
I was pretty horrified after seeing all this sludge... I really hope that this has no real effect on future Tolkien's material that is made in the future.
Not including the new Amazon thing, as that is already going to be woke as fuck.
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on June 22, 2021, 10:05:45 AM
I was pretty horrified after seeing all this sludge... I really hope that this has no real effect on future Tolkien's material that is made in the future.
Not including the new Amazon thing, as that is already going to be woke as fuck.
With Christopher Tolkien gone, there's no one to stop them.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 22, 2021, 01:43:16 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on June 22, 2021, 10:05:45 AM
I was pretty horrified after seeing all this sludge... I really hope that this has no real effect on future Tolkien's material that is made in the future.
Not including the new Amazon thing, as that is already going to be woke as fuck.
With Christopher Tolkien gone, there's no one to stop them.
True... God help us all.
Quote from: KingCheops on June 14, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
Is that one asshole seriously trying to assign a gender to an elemental/angel being?
Tolkien did it first. All the valar and maiar are assigned genders and sometimes spouses despite being naturally purely spiritual in nature. If they don't reproduce sexually, then this makes no sense. But that's part and parcel of ancient myth anyway.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 14, 2021, 09:28:08 AM
Quote from: horsesoldier on June 14, 2021, 08:45:29 AM
QuoteSultana Raza – Projecting Indian Myths, Culture and History onto Tolkien's Worlds
How about no, Sultana?
Also, that photo of a previous conference looks a little threatening. LOOK AT ALL OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE. WE'RE SO SORRY.
"People". Heh.
Also, yeah, let's project Indian mythology into a book that was specifically written drawing on old Anglo-Saxon myths. 'Yeah that makes sense.'
Well, Indian myth is descended from Proto-Indo-European just like Norse and Teutonic. There are bound to be similarities owing to shared heritage.
And technically, Indians are Caucasoid.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 14, 2021, 11:11:48 AM
QuoteV. Elizabeth King – "The Burnt Hand Teaches Most About Fire": Applying Traumatic Stress and Ecological Frameworks to Narratives of Displacement and Resettlement Across Cultures in Tolkien's Middle-earth
Wasn't the line in question an analogy for why Gandalf didn't trust Saruman after he'd escaped Orthanc?
Gandalf about Pippin messing with the Palantir.
Which has fuckall to do with the resettlement of the the various elves across the map, the dwarves fleeing Moria, the Rohirrim, the halflings from the Anduin valley... Maybe the 'Traumatic Stress' is about Pippin feeling bad because he got caught. Who knows.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 23, 2021, 09:58:23 AM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 14, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
Is that one asshole seriously trying to assign a gender to an elemental/angel being?
Tolkien did it first. All the valar and maiar are assigned genders and sometimes spouses despite being naturally purely spiritual in nature. If they don't reproduce sexually, then this makes no sense. But that's part and parcel of ancient myth anyway.
I was specifically referring to the Istar since its about Saruman but yeah sure the Valar and Maiar were gendered. The Istar all looked like men but there's zero mention of any sexuality about them whatsoever.
Quote from: Godfather Punk on June 24, 2021, 02:32:49 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 14, 2021, 11:11:48 AM
QuoteV. Elizabeth King – "The Burnt Hand Teaches Most About Fire": Applying Traumatic Stress and Ecological Frameworks to Narratives of Displacement and Resettlement Across Cultures in Tolkien's Middle-earth
Wasn't the line in question an analogy for why Gandalf didn't trust Saruman after he'd escaped Orthanc?
Gandalf about Pippin messing with the Palantir.
Which has fuckall to do with the resettlement of the the various elves across the map, the dwarves fleeing Moria, the Rohirrim, the halflings from the Anduin valley... Maybe the 'Traumatic Stress' is about Pippin feeling bad because he got caught. Who knows.
That was it. Thanks.
Ironically, Pippin's misadventure with the palantir gave Gandalf and Aragorn some much needed intel (Saruman's contact with Sauron) as well as warning them away from trying to use it. Gandalf admitted he yearned to use it to look back upon better, brighter places and times. Aragorn would later face off with Sauron through the palantir, though by his own admission, 'my will was enough -- barely'. A feint, to draw Sauron's eye towards him and away from his borders where Frodo and Sam were trying to infiltrate.
All this postmodernist crap disgusts me. It's pissing into a perfectly good bottle of beer and declaring it's 'improved' somehow.
Quote from: KingCheops on June 24, 2021, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 23, 2021, 09:58:23 AM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 14, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
Is that one asshole seriously trying to assign a gender to an elemental/angel being?
Tolkien did it first. All the valar and maiar are assigned genders and sometimes spouses despite being naturally purely spiritual in nature. If they don't reproduce sexually, then this makes no sense. But that's part and parcel of ancient myth anyway.
I was specifically referring to the Istar since its about Saruman but yeah sure the Valar and Maiar were gendered. The Istar all looked like men but there's zero mention of any sexuality about them whatsoever.
The Istari are Maiar, and the only time sexuality comes into play in Tolkien's works is when there's some grand romance, and the wizards had a job to do. They weren't wandering around forests, singing to birds, and falling in love with elfkings. (Or maybe Radagast did, but we see so little of him we never know.)