The security state, censorship, and election interference

[Horace]

Great interview on the security state's censorship complex, how it was formed, and why it turned inward to target its own citizens. I've been aware of this stuff for years, but never seen it explained so well.

My main take-away: We created agencies full of people who were experts at overthrowing governments. It was only a matter of time before they tried it here.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1758529993280205039

[oggsmash]

  It is not so much a matter of time...these people have been working on this for 50 years.  I give them credit in one matter, they understand how to be gradual until they are ready to be fast paced.  I think it might end badly for a lot of them though because at the end of the day the USA has a whole lot of rowdies in it.

[BoxCrayonTales]

Google is trying to replace its search engine with generative AI. This will kill countless publishers that rely on ad revenue. It's terrifying how much power Google has. They need to be regulated.

[Exploderwizard]

Great interview on the security state's censorship complex, how it was formed, and why it turned inward to target its own citizens. I've been aware of this stuff for years, but never seen it explained so well.

My main take-away: We created agencies full of people who were experts at overthrowing governments. It was only a matter of time before they tried it here.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1758529993280205039

The US Government as founded was overthrown in 1871 without a shot fired. We have been living in the hell that is USA Inc ever since.

[Spinachcat]

That was an excellent interview. Tucker's new one involving Brazil is also great as it gives you an idea of what's planned for the USA next.

After 2024 gets stolen, I hope to see the rise of a serious secession movement.

[jhkim]

Great interview on the security state's censorship complex, how it was formed, and why it turned inward to target its own citizens. I've been aware of this stuff for years, but never seen it explained so well.

My main take-away: We created agencies full of people who were experts at overthrowing governments. It was only a matter of time before they tried it here.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1758529993280205039

Interesting. What stood out to me was the complete inversion between how Tucker is trying to spin it, and what Benz is actually telling. A little bit of the way through, this exchange was stark:

(15:57) TUCKER CARLSON: It's almost beyond belief that this has happened. My own father worked for the U.S. government in this business, in the information war against the Soviet Union. The idea that any of those tools would be turned against American citizens was, I think... I want to think... absolutely unthinkable in 1988.

(19:37) MIKE BENZ: We've had these gatekeepers. We've had these bumpercars on democracy in the form of a century-old relationship with legacy media institutions.

Our mainstream media is not in any shape or form, even from its outset, independent from the national security state, from the State Department, from the War Department. All of the initial broadcast news companies -- NBC, ABC, and CBS -- were all created by Office of War Information veterans from the War Department's efforts in World War II.

You had these Operation Mockingbird relationships from the 1950s to the 1970s. Those continued through the use of the National Endowment for Democracy and the privatization of intelligence capacities in the 1980s under Reagan. There's all sorts of CIA reading room memos that you can read even on CIA.gov about those continued media relations throughout the 1990s.

So you always had this backdoor relationship between the Washington Post, the New York Times, and all the major broadcast media corporations. By the way, Rupert Murdoch and FOX are part of this as well. Rupert Murdoch was actually a part of the National Endowment for Democracy coalition in 1983 when it was formed as a way to do CIA operations in an above-board way after the Democrats were so ticked off at the CIA for manipulating student movements in the 1970s.

Tucker is trying to spin the idea that the government censoring or spying on U.S. citizens was completely unthinkable in 1988. But what Benz is telling him is that this is completely false.

The thing that changed in recent decades is that the government started bringing to the Internet tactics that had been in place for a century or more in legacy media. Student movements were well aware of this in the 1970s, and I grew up with an awareness of it.

That doesn't mean I think it's OK. I absolutely want to clean up and tackle government censorship and spying and promote free speech. I just think dealing with it effectively means understanding about the history and reality of it.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

There are essentially three optional discussions between the STATE--the United States Government--and various individual citizens, regardless of the individual's status, wealth, or percieved prominence.

(1): The State asks them to cooperate with the power, and they comply. Problem solved.

(2): The State bribes the person in question, and they proceed to cooperate, and obey. Problem solved.

(3): The State determines that the individual or group will not cooperate or comply. So, such individuals are mysteriously discovered to have been distraught over personal problems, and tragically have committed suicide. Problem solved.

There is no voting our way out of this problem. The corruption is too deep, and too strong, and most of whom are not elected officials anyways. They are amorphous faces of the Deep State machine.

They are powerful. Proud. Arrogant, and smug. They are imperiously confident in the vast wealth, strength, and power of the Deep State, and are scornful of the masses of stupid, gullible, and easily manipulated sheep.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Daztur]

Great interview on the security state's censorship complex, how it was formed, and why it turned inward to target its own citizens. I've been aware of this stuff for years, but never seen it explained so well.

My main take-away: We created agencies full of people who were experts at overthrowing governments. It was only a matter of time before they tried it here.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1758529993280205039

The US Government as founded was overthrown in 1871 without a shot fired. We have been living in the hell that is USA Inc ever since.

Oh god, we're getting SovCit-brand bullshit on this forum now too?

[blackstone]

I'm so fed up with how the country is, I'm no longer voting.

It doesn't matter.

Let it all burn.

[oggsmash]

  "student movements"  AKA commies.

[SHARK]

  "student movements"  AKA commies.

Greetings!

Yeah! Fuck the Commie students. The only "Movement" they need is to be crushed under the boots of true patriots.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[jhkim]

  "student movements"  AKA commies.

Yeah! Fuck the Commie students. The only "Movement" they need is to be crushed under the boots of true patriots.

That's the trick. The government has always justified censorship and spying by saying that it's necessary to protect the country from communists, or anarchists, or Islamists, or some other category. This is how Congress passed and re-authorized the PATRIOT Act and people don't reject the members voting for it because they want safety and security more than they want freedom.

[Ratman_tf]

  "student movements"  AKA commies.

Yeah! Fuck the Commie students. The only "Movement" they need is to be crushed under the boots of true patriots.

That's the trick. The government has always justified censorship and spying by saying that it's necessary to protect the country from communists, or anarchists, or Islamists, or some other category. This is how Congress passed and re-authorized the PATRIOT Act and people don't reject the members voting for it because they want safety and security more than they want freedom.

Hey, man. We need a Strong and Ruthless government to protect us from fascism!

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Yeah, we wouldn't want to embrace any kind of rough treatment for the fucking Communists. We should all be sweet and nice Care-bears for the fucking Communists.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Grognard GM]

The government has always justified censorship and spying by saying that it's necessary to protect the country from communists, or anarchists, or Islamists, or some other category.

It would be one thing to live under a restrictive government that actually stopped any of those groups, but we're 100 years into abject failure.