I just happened to find this. Proud Boys interviewing Latinos for Trump is definitely a bit outside what would be allowed by most mainstream platforms. They talk about immigration, life philosophy etc.
https://rumble.com/vhwior-nble-podcast-ep01-adelitas-sixshooter.html
Enrique Tarrio is one of my favorite cognitive dissonance inducing points when dealing with woke dipshits. They usually sputter something about "race traitors" while smoke leaks out of their ears. The irony of using the KKK's language to describe BIPOC/LGBTQ that don't follow the woke politics is usually lost on them.
Quote from: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
Enrique Tarrio is one of my favorite cognitive dissonance inducing points when dealing with woke dipshits. They usually sputter something about "race traitors" while smoke leaks out of their ears. The irony of using the KKK's language to describe BIPOC/LGBTQ that don't follow the woke politics is usually lost on them.
Just mention "Proud Boys" and they blow a fuse. It's as if the whole world has decided that they're nazis. And I STILL don't get it. What's the worst thing they did? Stealing a BLM flag? Clashing with Antifa, who seem to want to clash with everyone anyway?
I reminds me of the Covington boys case vs the Native American. There were people who literally wanted that kid dead, and some celebrities asked the public to hunt them down. I watched exactly the same video clip as everyone else, and I saw absolutely nothing worth reporting on the news.
Quote from: Trond on June 07, 2021, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
Enrique Tarrio is one of my favorite cognitive dissonance inducing points when dealing with woke dipshits. They usually sputter something about "race traitors" while smoke leaks out of their ears. The irony of using the KKK's language to describe BIPOC/LGBTQ that don't follow the woke politics is usually lost on them.
Just mention "Proud Boys" and they blow a fuse. It's as if the whole world has decided that they're nazis. And I STILL don't get it. What's the worst thing they did? Stealing a BLM flag? Clashing with Antifa, who seem to want to clash with everyone anyway?
I reminds me of the Covington boys case vs the Native American. There were people who literally wanted that kid dead, and some celebrities asked the public to hunt them down. I watched exactly the same video clip as everyone else, and I saw absolutely nothing worth reporting on the news.
Most of them like my wife only saw the clip of him standing in front of the literal terrorist and smirking and they thought it was so awful. "Look at that smug chad piece of shit." Oh wait, Black Hebrew Israelites had been yelling at them for 2 hours, spewing their hate, so the Covington boys sang their school fight song, so this terrorist indian forced his way into the group and started chanting and banging his drum?
Proud Boys are so bad! Oh wait they get in fist fights with Antifart who carry literal Soviet and Chinese communist flags and attack fellow progressives who are also American patriots? Huh what? Really broke my wife's brain when I showed her the Antifart carrying a banner saying to legalize pedophilia or that Rittenhouse took out 2 pedophiles and a wife beater. "Why are so many of them kiddie diddlers?" "Well my dear it seems they have a vested interest in getting rid of cops so they can diddle kids"
Quote from: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 12:30:12 PM
..... Really broke my wife's brain when I showed her the Antifart carrying a banner saying to legalize pedophilia .....
Didn't see that one. Any links?
It should be noted that Nicholas Sandmann (the young man who is 'smirking' at the Indian grifter) still has four defamation suits against various media organs active. Two others were settled for undisclosed sums.
I think the only way we're going to get some of these idiots' attentions is to sue the fuck out of them.
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Quote from: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 03:38:33 PM
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*stunned expression*
Never a tommygun around when you need one...
I especially love how they are saying "No Rape Apologists at Columbia" while at the same time advocating for protection for scum bags who commit the rape of children.
Actually the sign was indeed a plant by our side. :-)
Quote from: Trond on June 07, 2021, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
Enrique Tarrio is one of my favorite cognitive dissonance inducing points when dealing with woke dipshits. They usually sputter something about "race traitors" while smoke leaks out of their ears. The irony of using the KKK's language to describe BIPOC/LGBTQ that don't follow the woke politics is usually lost on them.
Just mention "Proud Boys" and they blow a fuse. It's as if the whole world has decided that they're nazis. And I STILL don't get it. What's the worst thing they did? Stealing a BLM flag? Clashing with Antifa, who seem to want to clash with everyone anyway?
I reminds me of the Covington boys case vs the Native American. There were people who literally wanted that kid dead, and some celebrities asked the public to hunt them down. I watched exactly the same video clip as everyone else, and I saw absolutely nothing worth reporting on the news.
I too am shocked that people would correctly label fascists as fascists. Give up the cutesy little song and dance and just admit you want fascism. It's blatantly obvious.
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 03:18:12 AM
Quote from: Trond on June 07, 2021, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
Enrique Tarrio is one of my favorite cognitive dissonance inducing points when dealing with woke dipshits. They usually sputter something about "race traitors" while smoke leaks out of their ears. The irony of using the KKK's language to describe BIPOC/LGBTQ that don't follow the woke politics is usually lost on them.
Just mention "Proud Boys" and they blow a fuse. It's as if the whole world has decided that they're nazis. And I STILL don't get it. What's the worst thing they did? Stealing a BLM flag? Clashing with Antifa, who seem to want to clash with everyone anyway?
I reminds me of the Covington boys case vs the Native American. There were people who literally wanted that kid dead, and some celebrities asked the public to hunt them down. I watched exactly the same video clip as everyone else, and I saw absolutely nothing worth reporting on the news.
I too am shocked that people would correctly label fascists as fascists. Give up the cutesy little song and dance and just admit you want fascism. It's blatantly obvious.
I am shocked people keep saying fascist and have no idea what it means.
Quote from: oggsmash on June 08, 2021, 07:17:13 AM
I am shocked people keep saying fascist and have no idea what it means.
fascist n
Anyone who disagrees with that I currently believe, or who has in the past ever disagreed with anything I currently believe, even though my beliefs have radically changed over the last few years.
More seriously, blame Umberto Eco. His essay defined fascism so broadly you could call literally anything fascism. Great author, crap political philosopher.
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 03:18:12 AM
I too am shocked that people would correctly label fascists as fascists. Give up the cutesy little song and dance and just admit you want fascism. It's blatantly obvious.
"Because that's what Wikipedia says so it must be true!"
Quote from: DocJones on June 07, 2021, 09:29:15 PM
Actually the sign was indeed a plant by our side. :-)
I would not be surprised if that's true. It seems to be a bit too on the nose, and both left and right love to call each other pedos.
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 03:18:12 AM
Quote from: Trond on June 07, 2021, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
Enrique Tarrio is one of my favorite cognitive dissonance inducing points when dealing with woke dipshits. They usually sputter something about "race traitors" while smoke leaks out of their ears. The irony of using the KKK's language to describe BIPOC/LGBTQ that don't follow the woke politics is usually lost on them.
Just mention "Proud Boys" and they blow a fuse. It's as if the whole world has decided that they're nazis. And I STILL don't get it. What's the worst thing they did? Stealing a BLM flag? Clashing with Antifa, who seem to want to clash with everyone anyway?
I reminds me of the Covington boys case vs the Native American. There were people who literally wanted that kid dead, and some celebrities asked the public to hunt them down. I watched exactly the same video clip as everyone else, and I saw absolutely nothing worth reporting on the news.
I too am shocked that people would correctly label fascists as fascists. Give up the cutesy little song and dance and just admit you want fascism. It's blatantly obvious.
What I want is to be left alone.
But if people persist in bothering me, then I shall give them all the oppression that they so clearly desire.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 08, 2021, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 03:18:12 AM
Quote from: Trond on June 07, 2021, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
Enrique Tarrio is one of my favorite cognitive dissonance inducing points when dealing with woke dipshits. They usually sputter something about "race traitors" while smoke leaks out of their ears. The irony of using the KKK's language to describe BIPOC/LGBTQ that don't follow the woke politics is usually lost on them.
Just mention "Proud Boys" and they blow a fuse. It's as if the whole world has decided that they're nazis. And I STILL don't get it. What's the worst thing they did? Stealing a BLM flag? Clashing with Antifa, who seem to want to clash with everyone anyway?
I reminds me of the Covington boys case vs the Native American. There were people who literally wanted that kid dead, and some celebrities asked the public to hunt them down. I watched exactly the same video clip as everyone else, and I saw absolutely nothing worth reporting on the news.
I too am shocked that people would correctly label fascists as fascists. Give up the cutesy little song and dance and just admit you want fascism. It's blatantly obvious.
What I want is to be left alone.
But if people persist in bothering me, then I shall give them all the oppression that they so clearly desire.
Are you a Proud Boy? Or just a proud boy? 😜
Quote from: Trond on June 08, 2021, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 08, 2021, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 03:18:12 AM
Quote from: Trond on June 07, 2021, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
Enrique Tarrio is one of my favorite cognitive dissonance inducing points when dealing with woke dipshits. They usually sputter something about "race traitors" while smoke leaks out of their ears. The irony of using the KKK's language to describe BIPOC/LGBTQ that don't follow the woke politics is usually lost on them.
Just mention "Proud Boys" and they blow a fuse. It's as if the whole world has decided that they're nazis. And I STILL don't get it. What's the worst thing they did? Stealing a BLM flag? Clashing with Antifa, who seem to want to clash with everyone anyway?
I reminds me of the Covington boys case vs the Native American. There were people who literally wanted that kid dead, and some celebrities asked the public to hunt them down. I watched exactly the same video clip as everyone else, and I saw absolutely nothing worth reporting on the news.
I too am shocked that people would correctly label fascists as fascists. Give up the cutesy little song and dance and just admit you want fascism. It's blatantly obvious.
What I want is to be left alone.
But if people persist in bothering me, then I shall give them all the oppression that they so clearly desire.
Are you a Proud Boy? Or just a proud boy? 😜
To quote Groucho, I wouldn't be a part of any organization that would have me. :D
Quote from: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 03:38:33 PM
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Quote from: Trond on June 08, 2021, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: DocJones on June 07, 2021, 09:29:15 PM
Actually the sign was indeed a plant by our side. :-)
I would not be surprised if that's true. It seems to be a bit too on the nose, and both left and right love to call each other pedos.
Yeah. People pull false flag stunts like this from time to time, and unfortunately partisans will believe just about anything about the other side - who they see as inhuman demons. This was covered in New York magazine.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/10/pro-pedophile-columbia-students-rumor.html
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 03:18:12 AM
I too am shocked that people would correctly label fascists as fascists. Give up the cutesy little song and dance and just admit you want fascism. It's blatantly obvious.
OK more seriously this time, and this includes other left-leaning people here as well:
Do you ACTUALLY think that the Proud Boys are fascists? Please refer to the video for some of the views of their current leader. Also see videos on how they have operated; much of it is drinking and joking, but they also helped the police against Antifa a couple of times. *
*How they did this is also hilarious; the police were not allowed by the Democrats running the cities to use tear gas against Antifa and BLM, they could only get permission to do so when the Proud Boys showed up. So the police openly coordinated with Proud Boys during the riots.
Yeesh you fascists, grow some fucking balls. If you think Pinochet is awesome and want to throw some commies out of helicopters then come out and say that. Just don't be a pathetic cuck and pretend to give a flying fuck about the constitution while wiping you ass with it.
I guess I shouldn't expect anymore from fascists. They've always been cowards, from 1488 all the way down to the hundred little cutesy ways that the fuckers signal to each other who they are while trying to maintain plausible deniability with normies, they never fucking change.
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 08:37:28 PM
Yeesh you fascists, grow some fucking balls. If you think Pinochet is awesome and want to throw some commies out of helicopters then come out and say that. Just don't be a pathetic cuck and pretend to give a flying fuck about the constitution while wiping you ass with it.
I guess I shouldn't expect anymore from fascists. They've always been cowards, from 1488 all the way down to the hundred little cutesy ways that the fuckers signal to each other who they are while trying to maintain plausible deniability with normies, they never fucking change.
I guess I was kinda asking for the troll to come out of the cave and into the light, showing off warts and all.
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 08:37:28 PM
Yeesh you fascists, grow some fucking balls. If you think Pinochet is awesome and want to throw some commies out of helicopters then come out and say that. Just don't be a pathetic cuck and pretend to give a flying fuck about the constitution while wiping you ass with it.
Supporting the Constitution means you wipe your ass with it and support Pincohet?
Does liking apples mean you like Franco and burn orchards? Does appreciating a snow drift mean you support Mugabe and defrost your refrigrator?
Your dogwhistle detector is giving off random signals.
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 08:37:28 PM
Yeesh you fascists, grow some fucking balls. If you think Pinochet is awesome and want to throw some commies out of helicopters then come out and say that. Just don't be a pathetic cuck and pretend to give a flying fuck about the constitution while wiping you ass with it.
I guess I shouldn't expect anymore from fascists. They've always been cowards, from 1488 all the way down to the hundred little cutesy ways that the fuckers signal to each other who they are while trying to maintain plausible deniability with normies, they never fucking change.
Are you hearing dog whistles? :o
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 08:37:28 PM
Yeesh you fascists, grow some fucking balls. If you think Pinochet is awesome and want to throw some commies out of helicopters then come out and say that. Just don't be a pathetic cuck and pretend to give a flying fuck about the constitution while wiping you ass with it.
I guess I shouldn't expect anymore from fascists. They've always been cowards, from 1488 all the way down to the hundred little cutesy ways that the fuckers signal to each other who they are while trying to maintain plausible deniability with normies, they never fucking change.
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Greetings!
Yeah, be nice, and tolerant, and sweet to the godless, cock-sucking Communists.
What the fuck were our brave men doing while freezing to death and fighting in Korea? We were fighting the goddamned Communists.
What was going on over in Vietnam? Our outstanding warriors fighting in the jungles and rice-paddies, getting punjee sticks in their feet, and suffering hell every day--while we were fighting the goddamned Communists.
For over 40 years, we fought the "Cold War" resisting--and killing millions of these cock-sucking evil Communists around the world, from Honduras, South America, South-East Asia, Africa, Afghanistan, the Middle East, and all along the "Iron Curtain", facing thousands of Soviet tanks and millions of fucking Communists, and standing guard on the wall of Western Civilization.
In the old military of our country--before the rainbow hippos and godless, jello-filled fucking Marxists infiltrated it and seized power--being guilty of embracing fucking Communism would get you sent to Leavenworth for 20 years, and or dishonourably discharged and dismissed from the military as a traitor and criminal. That judgment against you would also easily be known by law enforcement agencies, as well as the government--many would know that a person that was a fucking Communist was a traitor, and an enemy of the Republic.
Oh yeah, our training, exercises, and live operations all over the world were constantly aimed at KILLING THE FUCKING COMMUNISTS. Gutting them with bayonets, breaking their necks with your hands, machine-gunning them to death, and burning them the fuck up with napalm. KILL! KILL! KILL! Stomp the Communist! Gut the fucking Communist! Mow them Down! Aim, put a bullet right through the heart! Breathe...repeat. Keep doing it. Don't stop. Show no mercy. Kill them all.
You must think that kind of encouragement and instruction is some fantastic script in a Hollywood movie.
NO. It is what everyone in the United States Government and the United States Military expected from us, demanded from us, and trained us to do--day in and day out.
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Geesus. Fucking brainwashed Marxist morons that smugly fucking think that Communists are all nice and fucking sweet. Fucking hopeless idiots.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 08:37:28 PM
Yeesh you fascists, grow some fucking balls. If you think Pinochet is awesome and want to throw some commies out of helicopters then come out and say that. Just don't be a pathetic cuck and pretend to give a flying fuck about the constitution while wiping you ass with it.
I guess I shouldn't expect anymore from fascists. They've always been cowards, from 1488 all the way down to the hundred little cutesy ways that the fuckers signal to each other who they are while trying to maintain plausible deniability with normies, they never fucking change.
LOL. Some people get a kick out of trolling leftist snowflakes. For example:
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Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Greetings!
Yeah, be nice, and tolerant, and sweet to the godless, cock-sucking Communists.
What the fuck were our brave men doing while freezing to death and fighting in Korea? We were fighting the goddamned Communists.
What was going on over in Vietnam? Our outstanding warriors fighting in the jungles and rice-paddies, getting punjee sticks in their feet, and suffering hell every day--while we were fighting the goddamned Communists.
For over 40 years, we fought the "Cold War" resisting--and killing millions of these cock-sucking evil Communists around the world, from Honduras, South America, South-East Asia, Africa, Afghanistan, the Middle East, and all along the "Iron Curtain", facing thousands of Soviet tanks and millions of fucking Communists, and standing guard on the wall of Western Civilization.
In the old military of our country--before the rainbow hippos and godless, jello-filled fucking Marxists infiltrated it and seized power--being guilty of embracing fucking Communism would get you sent to Leavenworth for 20 years, and or dishonourably discharged and dismissed from the military as a traitor and criminal. That judgment against you would also easily be known by law enforcement agencies, as well as the government--many would know that a person that was a fucking Communist was a traitor, and an enemy of the Republic.
Oh yeah, our training, exercises, and live operations all over the world were constantly aimed at KILLING THE FUCKING COMMUNISTS. Gutting them with bayonets, breaking their necks with your hands, machine-gunning them to death, and burning them the fuck up with napalm. KILL! KILL! KILL! Stomp the Communist! Gut the fucking Communist! Mow them Down! Aim, put a bullet right through the heart! Breathe...repeat. Keep doing it. Don't stop. Show no mercy. Kill them all.
You must think that kind of encouragement and instruction is some fantastic script in a Hollywood movie.
NO. It is what everyone in the United States Government and the United States Military expected from us, demanded from us, and trained us to do--day in and day out.
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Geesus. Fucking brainwashed Marxist morons that smugly fucking think that Communists are all nice and fucking sweet. Fucking hopeless idiots.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Look, SHARK ranting again about how he's been programmed to be a hyper-aggressive piece of shit that sees everyone that doesn't agree with him as the enemy and therefore an acceptable target of violence. He admits he's been indoctrinated to be a dumbass, but he sees no problems with that 'cuz it's everyone else that's fucked up. Real life must be so hard for him.
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 08, 2021, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Greetings!
Yeah, be nice, and tolerant, and sweet to the godless, cock-sucking Communists.
What the fuck were our brave men doing while freezing to death and fighting in Korea? We were fighting the goddamned Communists.
What was going on over in Vietnam? Our outstanding warriors fighting in the jungles and rice-paddies, getting punjee sticks in their feet, and suffering hell every day--while we were fighting the goddamned Communists.
For over 40 years, we fought the "Cold War" resisting--and killing millions of these cock-sucking evil Communists around the world, from Honduras, South America, South-East Asia, Africa, Afghanistan, the Middle East, and all along the "Iron Curtain", facing thousands of Soviet tanks and millions of fucking Communists, and standing guard on the wall of Western Civilization.
In the old military of our country--before the rainbow hippos and godless, jello-filled fucking Marxists infiltrated it and seized power--being guilty of embracing fucking Communism would get you sent to Leavenworth for 20 years, and or dishonourably discharged and dismissed from the military as a traitor and criminal. That judgment against you would also easily be known by law enforcement agencies, as well as the government--many would know that a person that was a fucking Communist was a traitor, and an enemy of the Republic.
Oh yeah, our training, exercises, and live operations all over the world were constantly aimed at KILLING THE FUCKING COMMUNISTS. Gutting them with bayonets, breaking their necks with your hands, machine-gunning them to death, and burning them the fuck up with napalm. KILL! KILL! KILL! Stomp the Communist! Gut the fucking Communist! Mow them Down! Aim, put a bullet right through the heart! Breathe...repeat. Keep doing it. Don't stop. Show no mercy. Kill them all.
You must think that kind of encouragement and instruction is some fantastic script in a Hollywood movie.
NO. It is what everyone in the United States Government and the United States Military expected from us, demanded from us, and trained us to do--day in and day out.
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Geesus. Fucking brainwashed Marxist morons that smugly fucking think that Communists are all nice and fucking sweet. Fucking hopeless idiots.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Look, SHARK ranting again about how he's been programmed to be a hyper-aggressive piece of shit that sees everyone that doesn't agree with him as the enemy and therefore an acceptable target of violence. He admits he's been indoctrinated to be a dumbass, but he sees no problems with that 'cuz it's everyone else that's fucked up. Real life must be so hard for him.
Greetings!
No, my life isn't as hard as the Communist cock fucking you in the ass, you moron. Oh, look! See how much of a weak, Marxist-sympathizing pussy Happyderp is!
The fact that you don't realize the danger that Communism and Marxism poses to our Republic, and Western Civilization shows how much of a fucking cuck you are.
That's what is so sad and pathetic. You are just as much a brainwashed, cock-sucking sheep ready to get ploughed in the ass just like all of the rest of the stupid morons just like YOU that like to ignore, minimize, dismiss, and giggle like a bitch getting rammed at a gang-bang about how sweet and non-threatening Marxism is.
Your absolute failure to comprehend the very real threat shows what a fucking mindless slug you are.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 08, 2021, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Greetings!
Yeah, be nice, and tolerant, and sweet to the godless, cock-sucking Communists.
What the fuck were our brave men doing while freezing to death and fighting in Korea? We were fighting the goddamned Communists.
What was going on over in Vietnam? Our outstanding warriors fighting in the jungles and rice-paddies, getting punjee sticks in their feet, and suffering hell every day--while we were fighting the goddamned Communists.
For over 40 years, we fought the "Cold War" resisting--and killing millions of these cock-sucking evil Communists around the world, from Honduras, South America, South-East Asia, Africa, Afghanistan, the Middle East, and all along the "Iron Curtain", facing thousands of Soviet tanks and millions of fucking Communists, and standing guard on the wall of Western Civilization.
In the old military of our country--before the rainbow hippos and godless, jello-filled fucking Marxists infiltrated it and seized power--being guilty of embracing fucking Communism would get you sent to Leavenworth for 20 years, and or dishonourably discharged and dismissed from the military as a traitor and criminal. That judgment against you would also easily be known by law enforcement agencies, as well as the government--many would know that a person that was a fucking Communist was a traitor, and an enemy of the Republic.
Oh yeah, our training, exercises, and live operations all over the world were constantly aimed at KILLING THE FUCKING COMMUNISTS. Gutting them with bayonets, breaking their necks with your hands, machine-gunning them to death, and burning them the fuck up with napalm. KILL! KILL! KILL! Stomp the Communist! Gut the fucking Communist! Mow them Down! Aim, put a bullet right through the heart! Breathe...repeat. Keep doing it. Don't stop. Show no mercy. Kill them all.
You must think that kind of encouragement and instruction is some fantastic script in a Hollywood movie.
NO. It is what everyone in the United States Government and the United States Military expected from us, demanded from us, and trained us to do--day in and day out.
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Geesus. Fucking brainwashed Marxist morons that smugly fucking think that Communists are all nice and fucking sweet. Fucking hopeless idiots.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Look, SHARK ranting again about how he's been programmed to be a hyper-aggressive piece of shit that sees everyone that doesn't agree with him as the enemy and therefore an acceptable target of violence. He admits he's been indoctrinated to be a dumbass, but he sees no problems with that 'cuz it's everyone else that's fucked up. Real life must be so hard for him.
Greetings!
No, my life isn't as hard as the Communist cock fucking you in the ass, you moron. Oh, look! See how much of a weak, Marxist-sympathizing pussy Happyderp is!
The fact that you don't realize the danger that Communism and Marxism poses to our Republic, and Western Civilization shows how much of a fucking cuck you are.
That's what is so sad and pathetic. You are just as much a brainwashed, cock-sucking sheep ready to get ploughed in the ass just like all of the rest of the stupid morons just like YOU that like to ignore, minimize, dismiss, and giggle like a bitch getting rammed at a gang-bang about how sweet and non-threatening Marxism is.
Your absolute failure to comprehend the very real threat shows what a fucking mindless slug you are.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
You have my pity. I'm sure your idiocy will lead you to an early grave.
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 08, 2021, 09:46:43 PMLook, SHARK ranting again about how he's been programmed to be a hyper-aggressive piece of shit that sees everyone that doesn't agree with him as the enemy and therefore an acceptable target of violence. He admits he's been indoctrinated to be a dumbass, but he sees no problems with that 'cuz it's everyone else that's fucked up. Real life must be so hard for him.
Quote from: Daztur on June 08, 2021, 08:37:28 PM
Yeesh you fascists, grow some fucking balls. If you think Pinochet is awesome and want to throw some commies out of helicopters then come out and say that. Just don't be a pathetic cuck and pretend to give a flying fuck about the constitution while wiping you ass with it.
I guess I shouldn't expect anymore from fascists. They've always been cowards, from 1488 all the way down to the hundred little cutesy ways that the fuckers signal to each other who they are while trying to maintain plausible deniability with normies, they never fucking change.
Door's to your left, dogfucker. You think this is such a bad country, I'll buy you your ticket to China or wherever. One way, of course.
So recognition of communists as flat out enemies to the USA is indoctrination, as well as wanting to eliminate enemies who flat out want to destroy opposition (communists) is being a fascist?
I could see being a bit too free with the label of communist becoming a problem...but seeing as to how freely fascist and nazi are tossed around, it sort of ends up being a natural reaction.
I like how fascists (rather people labeled as such by the troll) are 'cowards'. People tossing things that that around IME have never been in an actual fight themselves, stood up when there was a good chance of not coming up on top, or even served in military service. In other words, have NEVER functioned in any capacity in their own lives to prove their valor/bravery/ how they are not cowards. This leads these sorts of people to be very quick to toss around the label coward, as they often have the knee jerk reaction to label due to projection.
Quote from: oggsmash on June 09, 2021, 07:49:46 AM
So recognition of communists as flat out enemies to the USA is indoctrination, as well as wanting to eliminate enemies who flat out want to destroy opposition (communists) is being a fascist?
I could see being a bit too free with the label of communist becoming a problem...but seeing as to how freely fascist and nazi are tossed around, it sort of ends up being a natural reaction.
I like how fascists (rather people labeled as such by the troll) are 'cowards'. People tossing things that that around IME have never been in an actual fight themselves, stood up when there was a good chance of not coming up on top, or even served in military service. In other words, have NEVER functioned in any capacity in their own lives to prove their valor/bravery/ how they are not cowards. This leads these sorts of people to be very quick to toss around the label coward, as they often have the knee jerk reaction to label due to projection.
They love to trot out the spectre of McCarthyism, but forget the question: were there Communists (specifically, Soviet commies) in the State Department?
Quote from: oggsmash on June 09, 2021, 07:49:46 AM
So recognition of communists as flat out enemies to the USA is indoctrination, as well as wanting to eliminate enemies who flat out want to destroy opposition (communists) is being a fascist?
I could see being a bit too free with the label of communist becoming a problem...but seeing as to how freely fascist and nazi are tossed around, it sort of ends up being a natural reaction.
I like how fascists (rather people labeled as such by the troll) are 'cowards'. People tossing things that that around IME have never been in an actual fight themselves, stood up when there was a good chance of not coming up on top, or even served in military service. In other words, have NEVER functioned in any capacity in their own lives to prove their valor/bravery/ how they are not cowards. This leads these sorts of people to be very quick to toss around the label coward, as they often have the knee jerk reaction to label due to projection.
We can all recognize projection. We have ample examples in SHARK's constantly shared fantasies of him sucking cocks and getting his ass plowed by the same.
Perhaps he had a traumatic early life event that he can't process...
(https://worldwideinterweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/funny-college-football-memes-2.jpg)
Greetings!
Oh yes. the dangers of Communism and Marxism and all that bullshit is everywhere. CRT? That is based in Marxism. Feminism? Also based in Marxism. Our degenerate, failing schools? They are certainly influenced and controlled by administrators and teachers that more or less love Marxism.
The whole system of dividing society, corrupting the culture, making everything a crisis, making everything more degenerate--that all comes from the Communist plan. Yuri Bezhmenov discusses all of this in great detail in his interviews. Yuri was a former KGB officer that defected to the United States.
Then, of course, we have sitting US Congressmen that serve on Intelligence Committees that were recently engaged in long relationships getting fucked silly by beautiful Chinese women, like FANG FANG.
That just happen to be Intelligence Agents for Communist China.
No worries. Everything will be just fine. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
https://news.yahoo.com/texans-elect-first-republican-mayor-163720904.html (https://news.yahoo.com/texans-elect-first-republican-mayor-163720904.html)
This is a pretty good indicator of how Latinos feel about Democrat policies. It's almost as if those most affected by the criminality and human cost of governmental actions are the most opposed to those policies.
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
Feminism? Also based in Marxism.
Feminism isn't based in Marxism There are Marxist strains of thought in third and fourth wave feminism, but feminism as a whole is unrelated.
Quote from: Pat on June 09, 2021, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
Feminism? Also based in Marxism.
Feminism isn't based in Marxism There are Marxist strains of thought in third and fourth wave feminism, but feminism as a whole is unrelated.
You're just not seeing the world through the haze of SHARK Lightyear's delusions...
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/68413901/cultural-marxists-cultural-marxists-everywhere.jpg)
Quote from: oggsmash on June 09, 2021, 07:49:46 AM
So recognition of communists as flat out enemies to the USA is indoctrination, as well as wanting to eliminate enemies who flat out want to destroy opposition (communists) is being a fascist?
I could see being a bit too free with the label of communist becoming a problem...but seeing as to how freely fascist and nazi are tossed around, it sort of ends up being a natural reaction.
I like how fascists (rather people labeled as such by the troll) are 'cowards'. People tossing things that that around IME have never been in an actual fight themselves, stood up when there was a good chance of not coming up on top, or even served in military service. In other words, have NEVER functioned in any capacity in their own lives to prove their valor/bravery/ how they are not cowards. This leads these sorts of people to be very quick to toss around the label coward, as they often have the knee jerk reaction to label due to projection.
Greetings!
Yeah, Ogg. They are clearly delusional. That's what the Marxist brainwashing does. It fundamentally damages and corrupts their ability to comprehend reality and think with any kind of critical thinking skills. it also poisons them into embracing a backwards clown-world.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Pat on June 09, 2021, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
Feminism? Also based in Marxism.
Feminism isn't based in Marxism There are Marxist strains of thought in third and fourth wave feminism, but feminism as a whole is unrelated.
Greetings!
Well, clearly--as you mentioned, third and fourth wave feminism is influenced by Marxism. Who really cares about "First Wave or Second Wave" Feminism? Beyond that, Feminism, like so many other aspects of society has been exploited and used to further corrupt and divide society, and to destroy the culture. That is a key strategy of Communists in weakening and corrupting a culture and making it ripe for destruction and overthrow. It is all part of the terrible soup, Pat.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 09, 2021, 07:49:46 AM
So recognition of communists as flat out enemies to the USA is indoctrination, as well as wanting to eliminate enemies who flat out want to destroy opposition (communists) is being a fascist?
I could see being a bit too free with the label of communist becoming a problem...but seeing as to how freely fascist and nazi are tossed around, it sort of ends up being a natural reaction.
I like how fascists (rather people labeled as such by the troll) are 'cowards'. People tossing things that that around IME have never been in an actual fight themselves, stood up when there was a good chance of not coming up on top, or even served in military service. In other words, have NEVER functioned in any capacity in their own lives to prove their valor/bravery/ how they are not cowards. This leads these sorts of people to be very quick to toss around the label coward, as they often have the knee jerk reaction to label due to projection.
Greetings!
Yeah, Ogg. They are clearly delusional. That's what the Marxist brainwashing does. It fundamentally damages and corrupts their ability to comprehend reality and think with any kind of critical thinking skills. it also poisons them into embracing a backwards clown-world.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
By all means, take the word of the one wearing the biggest tinfoil hat when considering who is delusional.
Quote from: KingCheops on June 09, 2021, 10:38:59 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/texans-elect-first-republican-mayor-163720904.html (https://news.yahoo.com/texans-elect-first-republican-mayor-163720904.html)
This is a pretty good indicator of how Latinos feel about Democrat policies. It's almost as if those most affected by the criminality and human cost of governmental actions are the most opposed to those policies.
Greetings!
Hopefully, more and more Latinos wake up to how evil and corrupt the Marxist Democrats are, not just for Latinos, but everyone in society. It is always fantastic to see more Latinos embracing Conservatism and rejecting the fucking Democrats and their terrible policies and agenda.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 09, 2021, 10:38:59 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/texans-elect-first-republican-mayor-163720904.html (https://news.yahoo.com/texans-elect-first-republican-mayor-163720904.html)
This is a pretty good indicator of how Latinos feel about Democrat policies. It's almost as if those most affected by the criminality and human cost of governmental actions are the most opposed to those policies.
Greetings!
Hopefully, more and more Latinos wake up to how evil and corrupt the Marxist Democrats are, not just for Latinos, but everyone in society. It is always fantastic to see more Latinos embracing Conservatism and rejecting the fucking Democrats and their terrible policies and agenda.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Believing that everyone else needs to "wake up and see" is a classic hallmark of delusional thinking.
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 09, 2021, 01:15:12 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 09, 2021, 10:38:59 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/texans-elect-first-republican-mayor-163720904.html (https://news.yahoo.com/texans-elect-first-republican-mayor-163720904.html)
This is a pretty good indicator of how Latinos feel about Democrat policies. It's almost as if those most affected by the criminality and human cost of governmental actions are the most opposed to those policies.
Greetings!
Hopefully, more and more Latinos wake up to how evil and corrupt the Marxist Democrats are, not just for Latinos, but everyone in society. It is always fantastic to see more Latinos embracing Conservatism and rejecting the fucking Democrats and their terrible policies and agenda.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Believing that everyone else needs to "wake up and see" is a classic hallmark of delusional thinking.
Greetings!
That's right, Happyderp. Stay swallowed up and blind as a blue-pilled cuck. Many people enjoy being members of the fat, blind and stupid herd.
I like knowing the truth, seeing reality clearly, and living a life of freedom.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 09, 2021, 01:15:12 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on June 09, 2021, 10:38:59 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/texans-elect-first-republican-mayor-163720904.html (https://news.yahoo.com/texans-elect-first-republican-mayor-163720904.html)
This is a pretty good indicator of how Latinos feel about Democrat policies. It's almost as if those most affected by the criminality and human cost of governmental actions are the most opposed to those policies.
Greetings!
Hopefully, more and more Latinos wake up to how evil and corrupt the Marxist Democrats are, not just for Latinos, but everyone in society. It is always fantastic to see more Latinos embracing Conservatism and rejecting the fucking Democrats and their terrible policies and agenda.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Believing that everyone else needs to "wake up and see" is a classic hallmark of delusional thinking.
Greetings!
That's right, Happyderp. Stay swallowed up and blind as a blue-pilled cuck. Many people enjoy being members of the fat, blind and stupid herd.
I like knowing the truth, seeing reality clearly, and living a life of freedom.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Jiffy Pop called. They want you to stop using their product as a hat.
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: Pat on June 09, 2021, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
Feminism? Also based in Marxism.
Feminism isn't based in Marxism There are Marxist strains of thought in third and fourth wave feminism, but feminism as a whole is unrelated.
Greetings!
Well, clearly--as you mentioned, third and fourth wave feminism is influenced by Marxism. Who really cares about "First Wave or Second Wave" Feminism? Beyond that, Feminism, like so many other aspects of society has been exploited and used to further corrupt and divide society, and to destroy the culture. That is a key strategy of Communists in weakening and corrupting a culture and making it ripe for destruction and overthrow. It is all part of the terrible soup, Pat.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
But Marxism is not essential to feminism, it's just some feminists are also Marxists. In fact, feminism is ultimately a liberal philosophy, and I'm using liberal in the Founding Fathers sense.
And while you're ranting about Marxism, I think what you're really ranting about a lot of the time is postmodernism. It's the combination of Marxism and postmodernism that created the modern left and social justice warriors. Marxism is all about class struggle. While the class part has been largely abandoned by much of the modern left, they've replaced it with a variant which exchanges class struggle for identity group based struggle. There's also the March through the Institutions, and many other Marxist elements.
Postmodernism is about deconstructionism, the claim that everything is relative, and everything is ultimately about language. It's not based on Marx, but on people like Derrida and especially Foucault. It's the source of things like the various critical theories, which argue everything is a social construct, and when mixed with Marxist class struggle leads to seeing everything as being about systems of power and oppression, which is the root of ideas like institutional racism/etcism. It's also behind the newspeak-like attempt to change what words mean, and the attempt to control the narrative by taking over propaganda (including the media) and education, because in postmodernism the is world is defined by the words and the narrative, which are the source of all power. It's about subjectivity, and denies even the possibility of objectivity. Leading to all the listen to the victim and lived experiences stuff, because from that standpoint only subjective experiences matter.
I suppose that one thing that is shared by virtually everyone on the left except the most moderate*, is a focus on victimhood categories. The victimhood of lower classes, women, immigrants, gays, blacks, or what have you.
The Marxists/Communists are often the ones focusing on class, although by now it's all a huge mix. On the furthest left I don't think you would have many people remaining if you removed the Marxists. Anarchists maybe. The Marxists are very prominent among the most screechy activists.
It reminds me a bit of a question that was once posed to Jordan Peterson, it went something like "why do you keep calling the people who demonstrated to shut you down Communists?", "Well, they were waving hammer and sickle flags."
*Exceptions include some people who are on the left mostly because of the environmental issues etc.
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 09, 2021, 01:32:21 PM
Jiffy Pop called. They want you to stop using their product as a hat.
Why so aggressive this morning? SHARK has not asked you to call the police once.
Quote from: Pat on June 09, 2021, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: Pat on June 09, 2021, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
Feminism? Also based in Marxism.
Feminism isn't based in Marxism There are Marxist strains of thought in third and fourth wave feminism, but feminism as a whole is unrelated.
Greetings!
Well, clearly--as you mentioned, third and fourth wave feminism is influenced by Marxism. Who really cares about "First Wave or Second Wave" Feminism? Beyond that, Feminism, like so many other aspects of society has been exploited and used to further corrupt and divide society, and to destroy the culture. That is a key strategy of Communists in weakening and corrupting a culture and making it ripe for destruction and overthrow. It is all part of the terrible soup, Pat.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
But Marxism is not essential to feminism, it's just some feminists are also Marxists. In fact, feminism is ultimately a liberal philosophy, and I'm using liberal in the Founding Fathers sense.
And while you're ranting about Marxism, I think what you're really ranting about a lot of the time is postmodernism. It's the combination of Marxism and postmodernism that created the modern left and social justice warriors. Marxism is all about class struggle. While the class part has been largely abandoned by much of the modern left, they've replaced it with a variant which exchanges class struggle for identity group based struggle. There's also the March through the Institutions, and many other Marxist elements.
Postmodernism is about deconstructionism, the claim that everything is relative, and everything is ultimately about language. It's not based on Marx, but on people like Derrida and especially Foucault. It's the source of things like the various critical theories, which argue everything is a social construct, and when mixed with Marxist class struggle leads to seeing everything as being about systems of power and oppression, which is the root of ideas like institutional racism/etcism. It's also behind the newspeak-like attempt to change what words mean, and the attempt to control the narrative by taking over propaganda (including the media) and education, because in postmodernism the is world is defined by the words and the narrative, which are the source of all power. It's about subjectivity, and denies even the possibility of objectivity. Leading to all the listen to the victim and lived experiences stuff, because from that standpoint only subjective experiences matter.
Greetings!
Excellent commentary, Pat! Very good! I mostly agree with everything you have said. Marxism, while originally focused on *Class Struggle*--has indeed changed. "Class Struggle" wasn't getting the Marxists the traction they wanted during the early 20th century that they had hoped to achieve in America, Europe, and beyond, so they changed gears, embracing and developing Post Modernism, and so on. Yeah, Derida, Foucult. Geesus. Fucking nutjobs. You see all of these types sooner or later converging onto the same page. Anarchists, Matxists, Feminists, whatever. Anything and everything but being traditional, conservative, and normal. Or Christian.
Personally, I don't tend to split hairs that much over to what degree so and so embraces full-bore Communism. All of these Democrat politicians, activists, smarmy bureaucrats, lobbyists, teachers, academics, media people--they all have been corrupted, and enormously influenced and compromised by Marxism, and the ensuing ideological children. Many of them consciously and eagerly admit to embracing Marxism, but even the individuals that don't--or otherwise seek to distance themselves from Marxism--at least in public discourse--are still heavily influenced by Marxism without being consciously aware of it. That is what makes Marxism so insidious, is how it has changed, jerked the language around, piggy-backed onto other stuff--seemingly unrelated directly to Marxism--all in coordinated efforts to spread corruption, division, and demoralization throughout society. Yuri Bezhmenov discussed how the Communists infiltrate society, and lay the foundations to corrupt and destroy the entire culture. Just think of how Marxism has influenced so many people in Academia, the Media, and Entertainment. For the last 40 years and more, you know? It is so terrible to see our great nation transforming and choking on all of this corrupt bullshit, right before our eyes at an accelerated pace.
And you know, I don't walk around in daily life ranting about Communists. I do get concerned though when I see or hear people--like here--soft-peddling Communism, Marxism, and so on, dismissing it, or otherwise being oblivious to the huge damage that Marxism has already done to our culture, and continues to grow in influence. So many unthinking, uneducated people just simple-mindedly bleat--
"Well, what's wrong with Socialism? Or Marxism? Bruh, Communism hasn't been done properly in the past!"
Yeah. I've seen college-"educated" students and graduates, right here in America, both in person, as well as on interviews, say that kind of nonsense. It's like, geesus. They actually claim to be educated? They are obviously and hopelessly uneducated and brainwashed. It's like they just hatched out of a fucking egg yesterday. And, while that is often seen with the younger college students--you also see it in plenty of adults, and professionals, like politicians like AOC and the "Squad", Media types, and even grade school teachers down the street, and city council leaders. It often makes me wonder, what the fuck is wrong with these people? They are absolutely ignorant of history, political science, philosophy, and more. How have they gone this far in life and never had a conversation with an immigrant that escaped from some Communist shithole? How have they been so arrogant, so smug, so narrow-minded and closed-minded to fail to not hear and learn the lessons, the dire warnings, the grim and brutal testimonies of people that have endured and escaped from Communist tyranny?
I sometimes get excited and animated when I encounter such blind and stupid people. I have a low tolerance and patience for morons, so I try and fight against it whenever I see it. It is so sad, Pat. All of these moron egg-people. I know it seems ridiculous, but I have met some sharp 12 year old kids that possessed a better grasp of history, our heritage, and how evil Communism is, than many of these "educated" adults. That's probably something that fires me up. It just boggles me how some *kids*!!!--can be better educated and wiser about these things than adults. I also get provoked because I was have some background in education, so the whole dynamic of teachers, professors, relationships with students, the learning environment, the love of knowledge and Truth is all very important and meaningful to me.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Meanwhile in the education thread, SHARK said:
Quote from: SHARK on May 27, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
Fuck the "Paradox of Tolerance." That's just a fancied up way of crushing freedom of speech, and crushing anyone that doesn't suck down the fucking Marxist jello.
Open wide, and gulp down our tolerance jello!
Fucking Marxist cuck probably has that lit up, dewy-eyed soy-boy look, wearing pajamas, while getting fucked in the ass.
TRUE freedom means there is people in society allowed to say things that you consider to be racist, bigoted, phobic, or otherwise "intolerant."
In my opinion, TRUE freedom means that people in society are allowed to say things and do things that you don't like - including fucking each other up the ass, eating soy, and espousing communism as well as being racist, bigoted, and phobic.
That means, no, one can't get to just kill communists or blacklist them. One has to debate them and vote them down, just like white supremacists, radical Islamists, and all other fringe groups.
Quote from: jhkim on June 09, 2021, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Meanwhile in the education thread, SHARK said:
Quote from: SHARK on May 27, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
Fuck the "Paradox of Tolerance." That's just a fancied up way of crushing freedom of speech, and crushing anyone that doesn't suck down the fucking Marxist jello.
Open wide, and gulp down our tolerance jello!
Fucking Marxist cuck probably has that lit up, dewy-eyed soy-boy look, wearing pajamas, while getting fucked in the ass.
TRUE freedom means there is people in society allowed to say things that you consider to be racist, bigoted, phobic, or otherwise "intolerant."
In my opinion, TRUE freedom means that people in society are allowed to say things and do things that you don't like - including fucking each other up the ass, eating soy, and espousing communism as well as being racist, bigoted, and phobic.
That means, no, one can't get to just kill communists or blacklist them. One has to debate them and vote them down, just like white supremacists, radical Islamists, and all other fringe groups.
Greetings!
Yeah, Jhkim, but Marxists actively and constantly work to corrupt and destroy the culture. It isn't just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream, or a group of silly hippies that want to be left alone on some isolated commune. They actively work to corrupt everything, so Marxists need to be resisted and opposed, everywhere. Marxists hate our culture, and seek to destroy us. They are enemies of the Republic, and of Western Civilization, everywhere.
It's that simple.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: jhkim on June 09, 2021, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Meanwhile in the education thread, SHARK said:
Quote from: SHARK on May 27, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
Fuck the "Paradox of Tolerance." That's just a fancied up way of crushing freedom of speech, and crushing anyone that doesn't suck down the fucking Marxist jello.
Open wide, and gulp down our tolerance jello!
Fucking Marxist cuck probably has that lit up, dewy-eyed soy-boy look, wearing pajamas, while getting fucked in the ass.
TRUE freedom means there is people in society allowed to say things that you consider to be racist, bigoted, phobic, or otherwise "intolerant."
In my opinion, TRUE freedom means that people in society are allowed to say things and do things that you don't like - including fucking each other up the ass, eating soy, and espousing communism as well as being racist, bigoted, and phobic.
That means, no, one can't get to just kill communists or blacklist them. One has to debate them and vote them down, just like white supremacists, radical Islamists, and all other fringe groups.
Greetings!
Yeah, Jhkim, but Marxists actively and constantly work to corrupt and destroy the culture. It isn't just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream, or a group of silly hippies that want to be left alone on some isolated commune. They actively work to corrupt everything, so Marxists need to be resisted and opposed, everywhere. Marxists hate our culture, and seek to destroy us. They are enemies of the Republic, and of Western Civilization, everywhere.
It's that simple.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
More your delusional bullshit.
Quote from: Pat on June 09, 2021, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: Pat on June 09, 2021, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
Feminism? Also based in Marxism.
Feminism isn't based in Marxism There are Marxist strains of thought in third and fourth wave feminism, but feminism as a whole is unrelated.
Greetings!
Well, clearly--as you mentioned, third and fourth wave feminism is influenced by Marxism. Who really cares about "First Wave or Second Wave" Feminism? Beyond that, Feminism, like so many other aspects of society has been exploited and used to further corrupt and divide society, and to destroy the culture. That is a key strategy of Communists in weakening and corrupting a culture and making it ripe for destruction and overthrow. It is all part of the terrible soup, Pat.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
But Marxism is not essential to feminism, it's just some feminists are also Marxists. In fact, feminism is ultimately a liberal philosophy, and I'm using liberal in the Founding Fathers sense.
I'd argue that feminism is ultimately a post Marxist philosophy since the vast majority of it's proponents believe in the idea of patriarchy and women's rights as a class struggle between the oppressor and the oppressed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Sentiments
I've heard a few feminists who don't, but they're pretty rare and far-between in the movement.
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 04:56:49 PM
Excellent commentary, Pat! Very good! I mostly agree with everything you have said. Marxism, while originally focused on *Class Struggle*--has indeed changed. "Class Struggle" wasn't getting the Marxists the traction they wanted during the early 20th century that they had hoped to achieve in America, Europe, and beyond, so they changed gears, embracing and developing Post Modernism, and so on. Yeah, Derida, Foucult. Geesus. Fucking nutjobs. You see all of these types sooner or later converging onto the same page. Anarchists, Matxists, Feminists, whatever. Anything and everything but being traditional, conservative, and normal. Or Christian.
Personally, I don't tend to split hairs that much over to what degree so and so embraces full-bore Communism. All of these Democrat politicians, activists, smarmy bureaucrats, lobbyists, teachers, academics, media people--they all have been corrupted, and enormously influenced and compromised by Marxism, and the ensuing ideological children. Many of them consciously and eagerly admit to embracing Marxism, but even the individuals that don't--or otherwise seek to distance themselves from Marxism--at least in public discourse--are still heavily influenced by Marxism without being consciously aware of it. That is what makes Marxism so insidious, is how it has changed, jerked the language around, piggy-backed onto other stuff--seemingly unrelated directly to Marxism--all in coordinated efforts to spread corruption, division, and demoralization throughout society. Yuri Bezhmenov discussed how the Communists infiltrate society, and lay the foundations to corrupt and destroy the entire culture. Just think of how Marxism has influenced so many people in Academia, the Media, and Entertainment. For the last 40 years and more, you know? It is so terrible to see our great nation transforming and choking on all of this corrupt bullshit, right before our eyes at an accelerated pace.
I do think it's important to know where people are coming from, and to use accurate terms. Beyond just the abstract value of learning something new, it helps when dealing with them. If you understand that postmodernism considers the only valid knowledge to be subjective experiences, you know using arguments based on objective facts is pointless. If you understand the emphasis on the meaning of words and narratives, you know that rejecting the warping of the language is essential.
And using the wrong terms just confuses things. Marxism, for instance, means a lot of things, only a few of them really apply, and a lot of new stuff has emerged. While it's useful to point out the Marxist roots of many of these ideas, it just muddles things when everything is called Marxist or communist. What you seem to be reacting to is the modern social justice movement, though that terms shares some of the same issues because it's morphed quite a bit over the years. Perhaps the best, most succinct description is wokeism.
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Feminism? Also based in Marxism.
Feminism isn't based in Marxism There are Marxist strains of thought in third and fourth wave feminism, but feminism as a whole is unrelated.
Greetings!
Well, clearly--as you mentioned, third and fourth wave feminism is influenced by Marxism. Who really cares about "First Wave or Second Wave" Feminism? Beyond that, Feminism, like so many other aspects of society has been exploited and used to further corrupt and divide society, and to destroy the culture. That is a key strategy of Communists in weakening and corrupting a culture and making it ripe for destruction and overthrow. It is all part of the terrible soup, Pat.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
But Marxism is not essential to feminism, it's just some feminists are also Marxists. In fact, feminism is ultimately a liberal philosophy, and I'm using liberal in the Founding Fathers sense.
I'd argue that feminism is ultimately a post Marxist philosophy since the vast majority of it's proponents believe in the idea of patriarchy and women's rights as a class struggle between the oppressor and the oppressed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Sentiments
I've heard a few feminists who don't, but they're pretty rare and far-between in the movement.
I'm not familiar with that document, but I looked over the list of sentiments, and they all seem to be basic liberal principles. Equal treatment under the law, equal rights, that sort of thing. I don't see anything Marxist in it. It's about oppression, but not in Marxist/postmodernism sense of implicit systems of power, but in the liberal sense of lacking basic (negative) rights, along with some arguments in favor of personal responsibility.
You're correct that most modern feminists are heavily influenced by Marxists, but I wasn't arguing against that. My point is the basic idea, principles, and origin of feminism is liberal, not Marxist. The shift toward Marxist ideas came in the third wave. Which has been the source of all those apparent dichotomies like "I believe men and woman are equal, but I'm not a feminist" (endorsing the principles of classical liberal feminism, but rejecting the term because they consider it corrupted) followed by "If you're not a feminist, you hate women!" (trying to trap the first person by saying their rejection of the word feminism means they reject the classic liberal principles, even though they literally espoused them in the same breath).
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Quote from: jhkim on June 09, 2021, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Meanwhile in the education thread, SHARK said:
Quote from: SHARK on May 27, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
Fuck the "Paradox of Tolerance." That's just a fancied up way of crushing freedom of speech, and crushing anyone that doesn't suck down the fucking Marxist jello.
Open wide, and gulp down our tolerance jello!
Fucking Marxist cuck probably has that lit up, dewy-eyed soy-boy look, wearing pajamas, while getting fucked in the ass.
TRUE freedom means there is people in society allowed to say things that you consider to be racist, bigoted, phobic, or otherwise "intolerant."
In my opinion, TRUE freedom means that people in society are allowed to say things and do things that you don't like - including fucking each other up the ass, eating soy, and espousing communism as well as being racist, bigoted, and phobic.
That means, no, one can't get to just kill communists or blacklist them. One has to debate them and vote them down, just like white supremacists, radical Islamists, and all other fringe groups.
Greetings!
Yeah, Jhkim, but Marxists actively and constantly work to corrupt and destroy the culture. It isn't just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream, or a group of silly hippies that want to be left alone on some isolated commune. They actively work to corrupt everything, so Marxists need to be resisted and opposed, everywhere. Marxists hate our culture, and seek to destroy us. They are enemies of the Republic, and of Western Civilization, everywhere.
It's that simple.
I have a number of friends who consider themselves to be Marxists. I don't agree with their economic policy, but they are decent people - as well as legal citizens of our Republic.
From what you say, you want to violently murder them.
You might say, "Well, I didn't really mean that - I was exaggerating because that's what people do online." --- and I'd say that's equally true of Marxist talk online. People talk shit.
Free speech doesn't just mean that you're allowed to like different flavors of ice cream. Free speech means that people can advocate for radically different values. Here on this board I've had some interesting conversations with those who want a Western ethno-state and consider me to be an inherent affront to their values -- since I was raised with a mix of Western and Eastern culture. I've argued against their views, but I don't claim they are enemies who should be killed.
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Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: jhkim on June 09, 2021, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Meanwhile in the education thread, SHARK said:
Quote from: SHARK on May 27, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
Fuck the "Paradox of Tolerance." That's just a fancied up way of crushing freedom of speech, and crushing anyone that doesn't suck down the fucking Marxist jello.
Open wide, and gulp down our tolerance jello!
Fucking Marxist cuck probably has that lit up, dewy-eyed soy-boy look, wearing pajamas, while getting fucked in the ass.
TRUE freedom means there is people in society allowed to say things that you consider to be racist, bigoted, phobic, or otherwise "intolerant."
In my opinion, TRUE freedom means that people in society are allowed to say things and do things that you don't like - including fucking each other up the ass, eating soy, and espousing communism as well as being racist, bigoted, and phobic.
That means, no, one can't get to just kill communists or blacklist them. One has to debate them and vote them down, just like white supremacists, radical Islamists, and all other fringe groups.
Greetings!
Yeah, Jhkim, but Marxists actively and constantly work to corrupt and destroy the culture. It isn't just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream, or a group of silly hippies that want to be left alone on some isolated commune. They actively work to corrupt everything, so Marxists need to be resisted and opposed, everywhere. Marxists hate our culture, and seek to destroy us. They are enemies of the Republic, and of Western Civilization, everywhere.
It's that simple.
I have a number of friends who consider themselves to be Marxists. I don't agree with their economic policy, but they are decent people - as well as legal citizens of our Republic.
From what you say, you want to violently murder them.
You might say, "Well, I didn't really mean that - I was exaggerating because that's what people do online." --- and I'd say that's equally true of Marxist talk online. People talk shit.
Free speech doesn't just mean that you're allowed to like different flavors of ice cream. Free speech means that people can advocate for radically different values. Here on this board I've had some interesting conversations with those who want a Western ethno-state and consider me to be an inherent affront to their values -- since I was raised with a mix of Western and Eastern culture. I've argued against their views, but I don't claim they are enemies who should be killed.
Greetings!
Right. That's because you haven't served in the military where it is your job and mission in life to resist, defeat, and kill fucking Communists--because they hate America, and are enemies of the Republic.
I have, however. Just because you like getting all sweet and cozy with Marxists, doesn't mean anyone else should do the same. Communists are enemies of America, Jhkim, whether you want to accept that or believe it, or not, it still remains true.
Yeah, in the military, when an officer asked you the question, "Are you now or have you ever been a Communist?" If you answered yes, the government would have arrested you and sent you to fucking prison, Jhkim.
But go ahead, coddle the Marxists all you want.
I won't. Not now, and not ever.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
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Quote from: jhkim on June 09, 2021, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: jhkim on June 09, 2021, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Meanwhile in the education thread, SHARK said:
Quote from: SHARK on May 27, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
Fuck the "Paradox of Tolerance." That's just a fancied up way of crushing freedom of speech, and crushing anyone that doesn't suck down the fucking Marxist jello.
Open wide, and gulp down our tolerance jello!
Fucking Marxist cuck probably has that lit up, dewy-eyed soy-boy look, wearing pajamas, while getting fucked in the ass.
TRUE freedom means there is people in society allowed to say things that you consider to be racist, bigoted, phobic, or otherwise "intolerant."
In my opinion, TRUE freedom means that people in society are allowed to say things and do things that you don't like - including fucking each other up the ass, eating soy, and espousing communism as well as being racist, bigoted, and phobic.
That means, no, one can't get to just kill communists or blacklist them. One has to debate them and vote them down, just like white supremacists, radical Islamists, and all other fringe groups.
Greetings!
Yeah, Jhkim, but Marxists actively and constantly work to corrupt and destroy the culture. It isn't just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream, or a group of silly hippies that want to be left alone on some isolated commune. They actively work to corrupt everything, so Marxists need to be resisted and opposed, everywhere. Marxists hate our culture, and seek to destroy us. They are enemies of the Republic, and of Western Civilization, everywhere.
It's that simple.
I have a number of friends who consider themselves to be Marxists. I don't agree with their economic policy, but they are decent people - as well as legal citizens of our Republic.
From what you say, you want to violently murder them.
You might say, "Well, I didn't really mean that - I was exaggerating because that's what people do online." --- and I'd say that's equally true of Marxist talk online. People talk shit.
Free speech doesn't just mean that you're allowed to like different flavors of ice cream. Free speech means that people can advocate for radically different values. Here on this board I've had some interesting conversations with those who want a Western ethno-state and consider me to be an inherent affront to their values -- since I was raised with a mix of Western and Eastern culture. I've argued against their views, but I don't claim they are enemies who should be killed.
Greetings!
Right. That's because you haven't served in the military where it is your job and mission in life to resist, defeat, and kill fucking Communists--because they hate America, and are enemies of the Republic.
I have, however. Just because you like getting all sweet and cozy with Marxists, doesn't mean anyone else should do the same. Communists are enemies of America, Jhkim, whether you want to accept that or believe it, or not, it still remains true.
Yeah, in the military, when an officer asked you the question, "Are you now or have you ever been a Communist?" If you answered yes, the government would have arrested you and sent you to fucking prison, Jhkim.
But go ahead, coddle the Marxists all you want.
I won't. Not now, and not ever.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Oddly enough, during my time with the US Army (2009-2014), I saw numerous counter-examples to all your bullshit. I had conversations with officers that were not aggressively hostile to the ideas of Communism even if they were not in support of it. They certainly didn't apply the label as freely as you do toward everyone that thinks even slightly differently from yourself, and the idea of using force against fellow Americans for their differing beliefs was far more abhorrent to them than the those others having those beliefs.
Like I said before, you're horribly damaged and the tragedy is that you think everyone else has the problem.
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 07:58:28 PM
Yeah, in the military, when an officer asked you the question, "Are you now or have you ever been a Communist?" If you answered yes, the government would have arrested you and sent you to fucking prison, Jhkim.
I have not been in the military, but this contradicts what I understand from other sources - so I would want confirmation from somewhere.
QuoteWASHINGTON -- U.S. Army officials say soldiers like the one at Fort Drum who shared photos of himself with pro-communist messages under his uniform have the right to join political parties and engage in speech that many Americans may find offensive.
Soldiers are permitted to be members of the Communist Party, American Nazi Party, or in the case of Army 2nd Lt. Spenser Rapone, a supporter of the Democratic Socialists of America.
Source: https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2017/09/armys_position_on_fort_drum_soldier_its_ok_to_be_a_communist.html
According to what you say, Rapone would immediately have been thrown into prison, but he was not. Within a year, he did resign from the army with an administrative discharge, but he remained free and gave an interview.
https://inthesetimes.com/article/commie-cadet-spenser-rapone-socialism-dsa-army-military
That's also true of belonging to a neo-nazi or white supremacist group.
QuoteMembership in a white supremacist or neo-Nazi group won't necessarily get a U.S. service member tossed out of the military, defense officials told a House subcommittee Tuesday.
The officials, including representatives of Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the Army's Criminal Investigation Division, appeared to make a distinction between membership in an extremist organization and "active participation" in deciding on recruitment and retention.
The officials also told a hearing of the House Armed Services subcommittee on personnel that they had no reliable data on how many service members had been administratively discharged for espousing white supremacist ideology or how many potential recruits had been barred from enlisting.
Source: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/02/12/neo-nazi-group-membership-may-not-get-you-booted-military-officials-say.html
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Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 07:58:28 PM
Quote from: jhkim on June 09, 2021, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: jhkim on June 09, 2021, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Meanwhile in the education thread, SHARK said:
Quote from: SHARK on May 27, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
Fuck the "Paradox of Tolerance." That's just a fancied up way of crushing freedom of speech, and crushing anyone that doesn't suck down the fucking Marxist jello.
Open wide, and gulp down our tolerance jello!
Fucking Marxist cuck probably has that lit up, dewy-eyed soy-boy look, wearing pajamas, while getting fucked in the ass.
TRUE freedom means there is people in society allowed to say things that you consider to be racist, bigoted, phobic, or otherwise "intolerant."
In my opinion, TRUE freedom means that people in society are allowed to say things and do things that you don't like - including fucking each other up the ass, eating soy, and espousing communism as well as being racist, bigoted, and phobic.
That means, no, one can't get to just kill communists or blacklist them. One has to debate them and vote them down, just like white supremacists, radical Islamists, and all other fringe groups.
Greetings!
Yeah, Jhkim, but Marxists actively and constantly work to corrupt and destroy the culture. It isn't just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream, or a group of silly hippies that want to be left alone on some isolated commune. They actively work to corrupt everything, so Marxists need to be resisted and opposed, everywhere. Marxists hate our culture, and seek to destroy us. They are enemies of the Republic, and of Western Civilization, everywhere.
It's that simple.
I have a number of friends who consider themselves to be Marxists. I don't agree with their economic policy, but they are decent people - as well as legal citizens of our Republic.
From what you say, you want to violently murder them.
You might say, "Well, I didn't really mean that - I was exaggerating because that's what people do online." --- and I'd say that's equally true of Marxist talk online. People talk shit.
Free speech doesn't just mean that you're allowed to like different flavors of ice cream. Free speech means that people can advocate for radically different values. Here on this board I've had some interesting conversations with those who want a Western ethno-state and consider me to be an inherent affront to their values -- since I was raised with a mix of Western and Eastern culture. I've argued against their views, but I don't claim they are enemies who should be killed.
Greetings!
Right. That's because you haven't served in the military where it is your job and mission in life to resist, defeat, and kill fucking Communists--because they hate America, and are enemies of the Republic.
I have, however. Just because you like getting all sweet and cozy with Marxists, doesn't mean anyone else should do the same. Communists are enemies of America, Jhkim, whether you want to accept that or believe it, or not, it still remains true.
Yeah, in the military, when an officer asked you the question, "Are you now or have you ever been a Communist?" If you answered yes, the government would have arrested you and sent you to fucking prison, Jhkim.
But go ahead, coddle the Marxists all you want.
I won't. Not now, and not ever.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Oddly enough, during my time with the US Army (2009-2014), I saw numerous counter-examples to all your bullshit. I had conversations with officers that were not aggressively hostile to the ideas of Communism even if they were not in support of it. They certainly didn't apply the label as freely as you do toward everyone that thinks even slightly differently from yourself, and the idea of using force against fellow Americans for their differing beliefs was far more abhorrent to them than the those others having those beliefs.
Like I said before, you're horribly damaged and the tragedy is that you think everyone else has the problem.
Greetings!
That's not a surprise, Happyderp. That's the "New Army". You obviously approve of the policies and attitudes embraced by the "New Army". Yay! Good for you, cuck.
I, however, come from a different era. Yes, so horribly damaged. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: jhkim on June 09, 2021, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 07:58:28 PM
Yeah, in the military, when an officer asked you the question, "Are you now or have you ever been a Communist?" If you answered yes, the government would have arrested you and sent you to fucking prison, Jhkim.
I have not been in the military, but this contradicts what I understand from other sources - so I would want confirmation from somewhere.
QuoteWASHINGTON -- U.S. Army officials say soldiers like the one at Fort Drum who shared photos of himself with pro-communist messages under his uniform have the right to join political parties and engage in speech that many Americans may find offensive.
Soldiers are permitted to be members of the Communist Party, American Nazi Party, or in the case of Army 2nd Lt. Spenser Rapone, a supporter of the Democratic Socialists of America.
Source: https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2017/09/armys_position_on_fort_drum_soldier_its_ok_to_be_a_communist.html
According to what you say, Rapone would immediately have been thrown into prison, but he was not. Within a year, he did resign from the army with an administrative discharge, but he remained free and gave an interview.
https://inthesetimes.com/article/commie-cadet-spenser-rapone-socialism-dsa-army-military
That's also true of belonging to a neo-nazi or white supremacist group.
QuoteMembership in a white supremacist or neo-Nazi group won't necessarily get a U.S. service member tossed out of the military, defense officials told a House subcommittee Tuesday.
The officials, including representatives of Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the Army's Criminal Investigation Division, appeared to make a distinction between membership in an extremist organization and "active participation" in deciding on recruitment and retention.
The officials also told a hearing of the House Armed Services subcommittee on personnel that they had no reliable data on how many service members had been administratively discharged for espousing white supremacist ideology or how many potential recruits had been barred from enlisting.
Source: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/02/12/neo-nazi-group-membership-may-not-get-you-booted-military-officials-say.html
Greetings!
Yes, of course those are what your sources say, Jhkim. We have a woke fucking military now, haven't you heard? Of course they are all sensitive and inclusive now, and full of cucks. Our military is fucked now.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: jhkim on June 09, 2021, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: SHARK on June 09, 2021, 07:58:28 PM
Yeah, in the military, when an officer asked you the question, "Are you now or have you ever been a Communist?" If you answered yes, the government would have arrested you and sent you to fucking prison, Jhkim.
I have not been in the military, but this contradicts what I understand from other sources - so I would want confirmation from somewhere.
QuoteWASHINGTON -- U.S. Army officials say soldiers like the one at Fort Drum who shared photos of himself with pro-communist messages under his uniform have the right to join political parties and engage in speech that many Americans may find offensive.
Soldiers are permitted to be members of the Communist Party, American Nazi Party, or in the case of Army 2nd Lt. Spenser Rapone, a supporter of the Democratic Socialists of America.
Source: https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2017/09/armys_position_on_fort_drum_soldier_its_ok_to_be_a_communist.html
According to what you say, Rapone would immediately have been thrown into prison, but he was not. Within a year, he did resign from the army with an administrative discharge, but he remained free and gave an interview.
https://inthesetimes.com/article/commie-cadet-spenser-rapone-socialism-dsa-army-military
That's also true of belonging to a neo-nazi or white supremacist group.
QuoteMembership in a white supremacist or neo-Nazi group won't necessarily get a U.S. service member tossed out of the military, defense officials told a House subcommittee Tuesday.
The officials, including representatives of Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the Army's Criminal Investigation Division, appeared to make a distinction between membership in an extremist organization and "active participation" in deciding on recruitment and retention.
The officials also told a hearing of the House Armed Services subcommittee on personnel that they had no reliable data on how many service members had been administratively discharged for espousing white supremacist ideology or how many potential recruits had been barred from enlisting.
Source: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/02/12/neo-nazi-group-membership-may-not-get-you-booted-military-officials-say.html
Greetings!
Yes, of course those are what your sources say, Jhkim. We have a woke fucking military now, haven't you heard? Of course they are all sensitive and inclusive now, and full of cucks. Our military is fucked now.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Again we have SHARK's delusional rantings that the problems are with everyone else but him. I hope he shares these views with the people at the VA. They can help him.
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Feminism? Also based in Marxism.
Feminism isn't based in Marxism There are Marxist strains of thought in third and fourth wave feminism, but feminism as a whole is unrelated.
Greetings!
Well, clearly--as you mentioned, third and fourth wave feminism is influenced by Marxism. Who really cares about "First Wave or Second Wave" Feminism? Beyond that, Feminism, like so many other aspects of society has been exploited and used to further corrupt and divide society, and to destroy the culture. That is a key strategy of Communists in weakening and corrupting a culture and making it ripe for destruction and overthrow. It is all part of the terrible soup, Pat.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
But Marxism is not essential to feminism, it's just some feminists are also Marxists. In fact, feminism is ultimately a liberal philosophy, and I'm using liberal in the Founding Fathers sense.
I'd argue that feminism is ultimately a post Marxist philosophy since the vast majority of it's proponents believe in the idea of patriarchy and women's rights as a class struggle between the oppressor and the oppressed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Sentiments
I've heard a few feminists who don't, but they're pretty rare and far-between in the movement.
I'm not familiar with that document, but I looked over the list of sentiments, and they all seem to be basic liberal principles. Equal treatment under the law, equal rights, that sort of thing. I don't see anything Marxist in it. It's about oppression, but not in Marxist/postmodernism sense of implicit systems of power, but in the liberal sense of lacking basic (negative) rights, along with some arguments in favor of personal responsibility.
What I wanted to illustrate there is that the Declaration casts men as "tyrants" who oppressed women.
QuoteYou're correct that most modern feminists are heavily influenced by Marxists, but I wasn't arguing against that. My point is the basic idea, principles, and origin of feminism is liberal, not Marxist. The shift toward Marxist ideas came in the third wave. Which has been the source of all those apparent dichotomies like "I believe men and woman are equal, but I'm not a feminist" (endorsing the principles of classical liberal feminism, but rejecting the term because they consider it corrupted) followed by "If you're not a feminist, you hate women!" (trying to trap the first person by saying their rejection of the word feminism means they reject the classic liberal principles, even though they literally espoused them in the same breath).
Well, what do you consider the origin of feminism? There was a strong strain of Marxism/Communism/Socialism through the 2nd wave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redstockings
This past Sunday I told a story in my church service about my grandfather, Bong Kook. During the Korean War, he was hauled up in front of a communist tribunal and accused of being a Japanese collaborator during the occupation (which he kind of was). After this, they summarily put him out in front of a firing squad. The squad actually pulled their triggers, but it turned out that their guns weren't loaded and it was just an intimidation tactic. Later, they did the same thing again, with him not knowing if this time the guns were actually loaded.
That gives me a bad impression of communists - but even moreso, it gives me bad impression about people who think it's good to just take people out and murder them simply for their political beliefs.
When SHARK says things like this:
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
That happened during the Korean War too. Tens of thousands of people were taken out and massacred for being communists. There are skeletons piled high in the caves of Jeju Island, outside Busan, and more -- all civilians killed by ROK forces.
This isn't cool or necessary. It's totalitarian suppression.
Quote from: jhkim on June 10, 2021, 02:18:16 AM
This past Sunday I told a story in my church service about my grandfather, Bong Kook. During the Korean War, he was hauled up in front of a communist tribunal and accused of being a Japanese collaborator during the occupation (which he kind of was). After this, they summarily put him out in front of a firing squad. The squad actually pulled their triggers, but it turned out that their guns weren't loaded and it was just an intimidation tactic. Later, they did the same thing again, with him not knowing if this time the guns were actually loaded.
That gives me a bad impression of communists - but even moreso, it gives me bad impression about people who think it's good to just take people out and murder them simply for their political beliefs.
When SHARK says things like this:
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
That happened during the Korean War too. Tens of thousands of people were taken out and massacred for being communists. There are skeletons piled high in the caves of Jeju Island, outside Busan, and more -- all civilians killed by ROK forces.
This isn't cool or necessary. It's totalitarian suppression.
Greetings!
Well, here you go again, Jhkim, with your sanctimonious conflation of subjects, and constructing Straw Man arguments. I'm not talking about "Totalitarian Suppression" or "Murdering people for their political beliefs". I was talking about COMMUNISTS--who are at their core, enemies of America. The COMMUNISTS seek to enslave everyone under Communist tyranny, and subjugate and murder anyone that opposes them. You somehow like to believe it is morally virtuous to befriend Communists, to coddle them, and tolerate them in our midst. Here, have a rainbow-striped lollipop, Jhkim.
I don't agree with you. I don't believe there is anything "morally virtuous" about accepting Communists within society. I believe it is naïve, foolish, and morally irresponsible. It is essentially equivalent to putting your family, friends, children, and fellow citizens, future generations--even your entire society--at risk on the ideological chopping block, of precariously dangling them over the abyss of darkness and damnation, so you can feel warm fuzzies inside.
Several generations ago, we essentially watched our leaders, our politicians, our brainwashed, traitorous academics, proceed to do exactly that. And now, 50 years later, America is slipping into the twilight of the damned. I don't think that was a wise, or righteous, or moral, or faithful course of action.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
https://humanevents.com/2021/06/09/behind-the-beret-battalion-commander-reportedly-tells-troops-white-people-are-part-of-the-problem/
How, exactly, am I (or anyone else) supposed to react to this? Aside from 'this battalion commander needs to be dragged up on charges of conduct unbecoming'?
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 10, 2021, 08:10:09 AM
https://humanevents.com/2021/06/09/behind-the-beret-battalion-commander-reportedly-tells-troops-white-people-are-part-of-the-problem/
How, exactly, am I (or anyone else) supposed to react to this? Aside from 'this battalion commander needs to be dragged up on charges of conduct unbecoming'?
The rational way to respond is to see what the investigation uncovers and what actions they officially take. What you have so far are unconfirmed bits of what the guy "reportedly said" and some anonymous one-line responses.
Quote from: SHARK on June 10, 2021, 04:11:43 AM
Well, here you go again, Jhkim, with your sanctimonious conflation of subjects, and constructing Straw Man arguments. I'm not talking about "Totalitarian Suppression" or "Murdering people for their political beliefs". I was talking about COMMUNISTS--who are at their core, enemies of America. The COMMUNISTS seek to enslave everyone under Communist tyranny, and subjugate and murder anyone that opposes them. You somehow like to believe it is morally virtuous to befriend Communists, to coddle them, and tolerate them in our midst. Here, have a rainbow-striped lollipop, Jhkim.
I don't agree with you. I don't believe there is anything "morally virtuous" about accepting Communists within society. I believe it is naïve, foolish, and morally irresponsible. It is essentially equivalent to putting your family, friends, children, and fellow citizens, future generations--even your entire society--at risk on the ideological chopping block, of precariously dangling them over the abyss of darkness and damnation, so you can feel warm fuzzies inside.
Several generations ago, we essentially watched our leaders, our politicians, our brainwashed, traitorous academics, proceed to do exactly that. And now, 50 years later, America is slipping into the twilight of the damned. I don't think that was a wise, or righteous, or moral, or faithful course of action.
When you say they should "bathe in napalm", you sound like a supervillain from the Tick.
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 10, 2021, 08:54:54 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 10, 2021, 08:10:09 AM
https://humanevents.com/2021/06/09/behind-the-beret-battalion-commander-reportedly-tells-troops-white-people-are-part-of-the-problem/
How, exactly, am I (or anyone else) supposed to react to this? Aside from 'this battalion commander needs to be dragged up on charges of conduct unbecoming'?
The rational way to respond is to see what the investigation uncovers and what actions they officially take. What you have so far are unconfirmed bits of what the guy "reportedly said" and some anonymous one-line responses.
"Fervent anti-racist and anti-sexist". I also believe his Twitter account has been deleted. I'm going to go out on a limb and call it as true already. Let's see if it holds up
Quote from: Pat on June 10, 2021, 08:59:54 AM
Quote from: SHARK on June 10, 2021, 04:11:43 AM
Well, here you go again, Jhkim, with your sanctimonious conflation of subjects, and constructing Straw Man arguments. I'm not talking about "Totalitarian Suppression" or "Murdering people for their political beliefs". I was talking about COMMUNISTS--who are at their core, enemies of America. The COMMUNISTS seek to enslave everyone under Communist tyranny, and subjugate and murder anyone that opposes them. You somehow like to believe it is morally virtuous to befriend Communists, to coddle them, and tolerate them in our midst. Here, have a rainbow-striped lollipop, Jhkim.
I don't agree with you. I don't believe there is anything "morally virtuous" about accepting Communists within society. I believe it is naïve, foolish, and morally irresponsible. It is essentially equivalent to putting your family, friends, children, and fellow citizens, future generations--even your entire society--at risk on the ideological chopping block, of precariously dangling them over the abyss of darkness and damnation, so you can feel warm fuzzies inside.
Several generations ago, we essentially watched our leaders, our politicians, our brainwashed, traitorous academics, proceed to do exactly that. And now, 50 years later, America is slipping into the twilight of the damned. I don't think that was a wise, or righteous, or moral, or faithful course of action.
When you say they should "bathe in napalm", you sound like a supervillain from the Tick.
More like a delusional nutcase that needs psychiatric treatment.
Quote from: Premier on June 09, 2021, 07:15:29 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 08, 2021, 09:46:43 PMLook, SHARK ranting again about how he's been programmed to be a hyper-aggressive piece of shit that sees everyone that doesn't agree with him as the enemy and therefore an acceptable target of violence. He admits he's been indoctrinated to be a dumbass, but he sees no problems with that 'cuz it's everyone else that's fucked up. Real life must be so hard for him.
This video is actually pretty accurate in capturing this thread :D
Having said that, I know of few things that can kill the human spirit of enterprise and creativity the way communism can. It's actually quite remarkable. It's so counter to human nature that it often ends in mass murder to keep people in line.
Quote from: Trond on June 10, 2021, 09:36:12 AM
Quote from: Premier on June 09, 2021, 07:15:29 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 08, 2021, 09:46:43 PMLook, SHARK ranting again about how he's been programmed to be a hyper-aggressive piece of shit that sees everyone that doesn't agree with him as the enemy and therefore an acceptable target of violence. He admits he's been indoctrinated to be a dumbass, but he sees no problems with that 'cuz it's everyone else that's fucked up. Real life must be so hard for him.
This video is actually pretty accurate in capturing this thread :D
Having said that, I know of few things that can kill the human spirit of enterprise and creativity the way communism can. It's actually quite remarkable. It's so counter to human nature that it often ends in mass murder to keep people in line.
Well I mean I could work hard to get something done and get exactly the same reward as the fat purple haired bitch who sat on her couch all day...or I could sit on the couch all day.
Communism on a national scale is stupid as fuck. Communism only works on a small scale but even then you need some sort of reinforcement mechanism via religion or elders or something.
Communism: ideals so good they have to be mandatory!
Quote from: Trond on June 10, 2021, 09:36:12 AM
Quote from: Premier on June 09, 2021, 07:15:29 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 08, 2021, 09:46:43 PMLook, SHARK ranting again about how he's been programmed to be a hyper-aggressive piece of shit that sees everyone that doesn't agree with him as the enemy and therefore an acceptable target of violence. He admits he's been indoctrinated to be a dumbass, but he sees no problems with that 'cuz it's everyone else that's fucked up. Real life must be so hard for him.
This video is actually pretty accurate in capturing this thread :D
Having said that, I know of few things that can kill the human spirit of enterprise and creativity the way communism can. It's actually quite remarkable. It's so counter to human nature that it often ends in mass murder to keep people in line.
I dunno. There's a kind of strawman of being anti-Communism that portrays anyone who is earnest as a brainwashed psycho. Personally I made a lot of excuses for Communism until I learned a lot more about it.
Well, to be fair, there is one situation where communism works very well indeed.
Convents and monasteries. Those gatherings of men and women dedicated to God are usually run along communist lines, with the unifying aspect being their religious vows. I can't testify as to how Buddhist monasteries are run, so I won't speak for them.
But y'know, if communism was so awesome, they should've needed border controls to keep people OUT. Not in.
Quote from: KingCheops on June 10, 2021, 10:12:49 AM
Communism on a national scale is stupid as fuck. Communism only works on a small scale but even then you need some sort of reinforcement mechanism via religion or elders or something.
That's like saying capitalism works fine, but you need some kind of reinforcement mechanism like a justice system that enforces property laws. Which is true, but fairly meaningless, because it's one of the basic principles.
More generally, communism, at least in the popular usage of the word, works in small tight-knit communities with a strong web of social ties, usually familial. It's a fairly natural form of organization, and often works side by side with trade and even authoritarianism (family structures are rarely democratic, after all). There have been non-authoritarian attempts to extend the model to larger groups (Kropotkin is probably the premiere thinker in this area), but they tend to fall apart. This is seen in the various anarcho-communist communes and squatters in various European states, where they leech off the grid and give out free meals to anyone who asks, but then they have to switch back to payments because people take more than they give, and never become independent of the infrastructure of the state that surrounds them. Larger more successful examples include the Israeli kibbutzes, and there have even been nation-sized examples in Catalan and the Ukraine in the early part of the 20th century, though they both collapsed.
This should be distinguished from Marxism, which justifies totalitarian control with the promise of a future paradise where everyone will be free. No explanation is given for how the future paradise will be achieved, and Marx specifically rejected the idea that people should even try to describe it, on the grounds that it requires a change in the nature of humanity that can't be understood except by those future humans. But the lack of any attempt to describe how the paradise will be achieved becomes a selling point, because with no details it's harder to find flaws (which is how the utopian communists who pre-dated Marx were discredited). The totalitarian control is usually instituted by violence, but even the ones that gain popular support and are democratically elected soon seize control and do what any small group of people granted unfettered power do: They strengthen their positions and institutionalize their oligarchy, using any means necessary. They end up like any other authoritarian state, except with an almost religious fervor that they use to justify their acts in the service of a brilliant (but unreachable) future.
Free speech is fine and well. I would say though, when a person is an avowed marxist or communist, that means a good deal more than just having an opinion. Such a person is going to act and use money and everything they can within their risk tolerance to destroy the existing government/system. It is one of the requirements to install marxism/communism. It is a system marked in ALL cases by raging totalitarianism when implemented on a state level. People who espouse these sorts of beliefs are stated, flat out enemies of the United States as it has functioned to this point. I guess "hope and change" means wreck the existing system with commie bullshit.
As for military officers feeling awfully chummy about marxism, well I guess the dates certainly match up to a time when the Commander in Chief, who stated openly in his own book that all his friends and mentors in college were marxists, socialists, and communists. I can tell you in the 90's there was a COMPLETELY different tone towards those philosophies. To have a nation there has to be some sort of underlying ethos or beliefs that are unifying. Communist or marxist leanings are exactly contrary to what the United States has been since founding. I do not exactly understand why people feel the need to be friendly with stated enemies.
Quote from: oggsmash on June 10, 2021, 12:55:33 PM
Free speech is fine and well. I would say though, when a person is an avowed marxist or communist, that means a good deal more than just having an opinion. Such a person is going to act and use money and everything they can within their risk tolerance to destroy the existing government/system. It is one of the requirements to install marxism/communism. It is a system marked in ALL cases by raging totalitarianism when implemented on a state level. People who espouse these sorts of beliefs are stated, flat out enemies of the United States as it has functioned to this point. I guess "hope and change" means wreck the existing system with commie bullshit.
By the same token, though, I would say that the Sovereign Citizen movement are enemies of U.S. as it has functioned to this point. They are fundamentally opposed to federal and even state governments. There are many other movements that are opposed to the current state of the country, and desire radical change.
The question is -- should these enemies of the state be "bathed in napalm" as SHARK suggests? Or should they be imprisoned for speaking out in favor of radical change?
One argument is that it is necessary. If we don't have crackdowns to kill or lock up communists, then we will lose our way of life. However, this doesn't match up with my observation. There have been a lot of countries that have taken a hard-line "kill-the-communists" approach in the past, like South Korea. However, those governments have been very unstable. South Korea went through multiple coups / revolutions - likewise Chile and others with similar stance. By contrast, the U.S. has always had strong free speech rules - and has allowed the Communist Party USA to exist publicly since its founding over a century ago, along with other radical groups.
Opposing communists with words and evidence rather than secret police isn't weak -- it appears to be a more successful strategy of opposition.
Quote from: jhkim on June 13, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
By the same token, though, I would say that the Sovereign Citizen movement are enemies of U.S. as it has functioned to this point. They are fundamentally opposed to federal and even state governments. There are many other movements that are opposed to the current state of the country, and desire radical change.
The question is -- should these enemies of the state be "bathed in napalm" as SHARK suggests? Or should they be imprisoned for speaking out in favor of radical change?
One argument is that it is necessary. If we don't have crackdowns to kill or lock up communists, then we will lose our way of life. However, this doesn't match up with my observation. There have been a lot of countries that have taken a hard-line "kill-the-communists" approach in the past, like South Korea. However, those governments have been very unstable. South Korea went through multiple coups / revolutions - likewise Chile and others with similar stance. By contrast, the U.S. has always had strong free speech rules - and has allowed the Communist Party USA to exist publicly since its founding over a century ago, along with other radical groups.
Opposing communists with words and evidence rather than secret police isn't weak -- it appears to be a more successful strategy of opposition.
I agree. One problem now though, is how powerful the left have gotten in virtually all media (mainstream and social media), and that they are unquestionably biased in banning certain people of the "wrong" political stance. E.g. Proud Boys have become very hard to find as far a what THEIR point of view is, compared to Antifa, for instance. You might find a lot of trolling of Antifa websites, but Proud Boys have been outright banned virtually everywhere, despite them doing less damage than Antifa.
Quote from: jhkim on June 13, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 10, 2021, 12:55:33 PM
Free speech is fine and well. I would say though, when a person is an avowed marxist or communist, that means a good deal more than just having an opinion. Such a person is going to act and use money and everything they can within their risk tolerance to destroy the existing government/system. It is one of the requirements to install marxism/communism. It is a system marked in ALL cases by raging totalitarianism when implemented on a state level. People who espouse these sorts of beliefs are stated, flat out enemies of the United States as it has functioned to this point. I guess "hope and change" means wreck the existing system with commie bullshit.
By the same token, though, I would say that the Sovereign Citizen movement are enemies of U.S. as it has functioned to this point. They are fundamentally opposed to federal and even state governments. There are many other movements that are opposed to the current state of the country, and desire radical change.
The question is -- should these enemies of the state be "bathed in napalm" as SHARK suggests? Or should they be imprisoned for speaking out in favor of radical change?
One argument is that it is necessary. If we don't have crackdowns to kill or lock up communists, then we will lose our way of life. However, this doesn't match up with my observation. There have been a lot of countries that have taken a hard-line "kill-the-communists" approach in the past, like South Korea. However, those governments have been very unstable. South Korea went through multiple coups / revolutions - likewise Chile and others with similar stance. By contrast, the U.S. has always had strong free speech rules - and has allowed the Communist Party USA to exist publicly since its founding over a century ago, along with other radical groups.
Opposing communists with words and evidence rather than secret police isn't weak -- it appears to be a more successful strategy of opposition.
When sovcits can actually pull off their deranged escapades instead of getting (figuratively) laughed at in court, I'll care about them.
Quote from: jhkim on June 13, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
Opposing communists with words and evidence rather than secret police isn't weak -- it appears to be a more successful strategy of opposition.
I think using the USA as an example, using words, evidence and secret police seems to be the most successful way to oppose communists.
At least until they get into the government.
Quote from: jhkim on June 13, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 10, 2021, 12:55:33 PM
Free speech is fine and well. I would say though, when a person is an avowed marxist or communist, that means a good deal more than just having an opinion. Such a person is going to act and use money and everything they can within their risk tolerance to destroy the existing government/system. It is one of the requirements to install marxism/communism. It is a system marked in ALL cases by raging totalitarianism when implemented on a state level. People who espouse these sorts of beliefs are stated, flat out enemies of the United States as it has functioned to this point. I guess "hope and change" means wreck the existing system with commie bullshit.
By the same token, though, I would say that the Sovereign Citizen movement are enemies of U.S. as it has functioned to this point. They are fundamentally opposed to federal and even state governments. There are many other movements that are opposed to the current state of the country, and desire radical change.
The question is -- should these enemies of the state be "bathed in napalm" as SHARK suggests? Or should they be imprisoned for speaking out in favor of radical change?
One argument is that it is necessary. If we don't have crackdowns to kill or lock up communists, then we will lose our way of life. However, this doesn't match up with my observation. There have been a lot of countries that have taken a hard-line "kill-the-communists" approach in the past, like South Korea. However, those governments have been very unstable. South Korea went through multiple coups / revolutions - likewise Chile and others with similar stance. By contrast, the U.S. has always had strong free speech rules - and has allowed the Communist Party USA to exist publicly since its founding over a century ago, along with other radical groups.
Opposing communists with words and evidence rather than secret police isn't weak -- it appears to be a more successful strategy of opposition.
The problem with the "kill-the-communists" approach here in Korea is that after literal DECADES of this everyone started to roll their eyes at it. A while back the North sunk a South Korean boat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking) and a whole slew of South Koreans I talked to didn't believe the North was behind it, including a lot of very much not-radical businessmen that I talked to who were utterly and completely unwoke (engineers, a marketing executive, etc. etc.) . They'd lived through so much anti-communist propaganda under the dictatorship that at this point they take anything talking about the North's provocations with a huge amount of salt.
I think that a lot of the right's unhinged screeching about communists everywhere will have the same effect. Blaming every single thing on communists just makes people roll their eyes and not believe it, even when real actual card carrying communists are killing people. Actual communists are really bad for a whole slew of reasons but the tendency on the right to lump everyone to the right of Pinochet together into once vast communist horde does nothing but help actual communists.
Quote from: jhkim on June 13, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 10, 2021, 12:55:33 PM
Free speech is fine and well. I would say though, when a person is an avowed marxist or communist, that means a good deal more than just having an opinion. Such a person is going to act and use money and everything they can within their risk tolerance to destroy the existing government/system. It is one of the requirements to install marxism/communism. It is a system marked in ALL cases by raging totalitarianism when implemented on a state level. People who espouse these sorts of beliefs are stated, flat out enemies of the United States as it has functioned to this point. I guess "hope and change" means wreck the existing system with commie bullshit.
By the same token, though, I would say that the Sovereign Citizen movement are enemies of U.S. as it has functioned to this point. They are fundamentally opposed to federal and even state governments. There are many other movements that are opposed to the current state of the country, and desire radical change.
The question is -- should these enemies of the state be "bathed in napalm" as SHARK suggests? Or should they be imprisoned for speaking out in favor of radical change?
One argument is that it is necessary. If we don't have crackdowns to kill or lock up communists, then we will lose our way of life. However, this doesn't match up with my observation. There have been a lot of countries that have taken a hard-line "kill-the-communists" approach in the past, like South Korea. However, those governments have been very unstable. South Korea went through multiple coups / revolutions - likewise Chile and others with similar stance. By contrast, the U.S. has always had strong free speech rules - and has allowed the Communist Party USA to exist publicly since its founding over a century ago, along with other radical groups.
Opposing communists with words and evidence rather than secret police isn't weak -- it appears to be a more successful strategy of opposition.
No. It is weak.
Quote from: Daztur on June 14, 2021, 01:42:10 AM
Actual communists are really bad for a whole slew of reasons but the tendency on the right to lump everyone to the right of Pinochet together into once vast communist horde does nothing but help actual communists.
"Everyone to the right of Pinochet?"
I don't understand how going to the right of Pinochet makes you a communist, is this some kind of 'circular model of politics' deal?
Or is this the old military basic training deal, where the one guy ends up with two left boots somehow, and the drill sergeant makes fun of him with a "Left...left.....left.........left" cadence?
Quote from: Daztur on June 14, 2021, 01:42:10 AM
The problem with the "kill-the-communists" approach here in Korea is that after literal DECADES of this everyone started to roll their eyes at it. A while back the North sunk a South Korean boat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking) and a whole slew of South Koreans I talked to didn't believe the North was behind it, including a lot of very much not-radical businessmen that I talked to who were utterly and completely unwoke (engineers, a marketing executive, etc. etc.) . They'd lived through so much anti-communist propaganda under the dictatorship that at this point they take anything talking about the North's provocations with a huge amount of salt.
I think that a lot of the right's unhinged screeching about communists everywhere will have the same effect. Blaming every single thing on communists just makes people roll their eyes and not believe it, even when real actual card carrying communists are killing people. Actual communists are really bad for a whole slew of reasons but the tendency on the right to lump everyone to the right of Pinochet together into once vast communist horde does nothing but help actual communists.
Well, if the communists had had their way in Korea, then all of it would have been like North Korea today. And that's one of the most insane countries on the planet, a lot of the reports from there falling into "you literally could not make this shit up" territory. So, I'm wondering how on earth the anti-communist propaganda managed to go too far.
Quote from: Trond on June 14, 2021, 09:33:14 AM
Quote from: Daztur on June 14, 2021, 01:42:10 AM
The problem with the "kill-the-communists" approach here in Korea is that after literal DECADES of this everyone started to roll their eyes at it. A while back the North sunk a South Korean boat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking) and a whole slew of South Koreans I talked to didn't believe the North was behind it, including a lot of very much not-radical businessmen that I talked to who were utterly and completely unwoke (engineers, a marketing executive, etc. etc.) . They'd lived through so much anti-communist propaganda under the dictatorship that at this point they take anything talking about the North's provocations with a huge amount of salt.
I think that a lot of the right's unhinged screeching about communists everywhere will have the same effect. Blaming every single thing on communists just makes people roll their eyes and not believe it, even when real actual card carrying communists are killing people. Actual communists are really bad for a whole slew of reasons but the tendency on the right to lump everyone to the right of Pinochet together into once vast communist horde does nothing but help actual communists.
Well, if the communists had had their way in Korea, then all of it would have been like North Korea today. And that's one of the most insane countries on the planet, a lot of the reports from there falling into "you literally could not make this shit up" territory. So, I'm wondering how on earth the anti-communist propaganda managed to go too far.
Probably because for all the danger posed, the Norks are really incompetent. The South Koreans tend to scoop their spies up really easily.
When you get down to brass tacks, the only reason the Norks are even taken seriously is because Seoul is close enough that Nork artillery could level it*.
* assuming their artillery doesn't explode on them.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 14, 2021, 11:18:49 AM
Probably because for all the danger posed, the Norks are really incompetent. ....
Oh, yes, another one of those side effects of communism. Remember when Mao wanted to outdo all other countries in steel production, they produced massive amounts of extremely low-quality steel (I think they melted down pots and pans to meet the state demands), and some people got killed in the process (of course).
Quote from: Trond on June 14, 2021, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 14, 2021, 11:18:49 AM
Probably because for all the danger posed, the Norks are really incompetent. ....
Oh, yes, another one of those side effects of communism. Remember when Mao wanted to outdo all other countries in steel production, they produced massive amounts of extremely low-quality steel (I think they melted down pots and pans to meet the state demands), and some people got killed in the process (of course).
That's a feature of communism, yes.
And remember, if you had the nerve to point out 'hey, this isn't gonna work', well, you were a 'wrecker' and needed to be shipped off to the camps for proper reeducation.
Quote from: Daztur on June 14, 2021, 01:42:10 AM
Quote from: jhkim on June 13, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 10, 2021, 12:55:33 PM
Free speech is fine and well. I would say though, when a person is an avowed marxist or communist, that means a good deal more than just having an opinion. Such a person is going to act and use money and everything they can within their risk tolerance to destroy the existing government/system. It is one of the requirements to install marxism/communism. It is a system marked in ALL cases by raging totalitarianism when implemented on a state level. People who espouse these sorts of beliefs are stated, flat out enemies of the United States as it has functioned to this point. I guess "hope and change" means wreck the existing system with commie bullshit.
By the same token, though, I would say that the Sovereign Citizen movement are enemies of U.S. as it has functioned to this point. They are fundamentally opposed to federal and even state governments. There are many other movements that are opposed to the current state of the country, and desire radical change.
The question is -- should these enemies of the state be "bathed in napalm" as SHARK suggests? Or should they be imprisoned for speaking out in favor of radical change?
One argument is that it is necessary. If we don't have crackdowns to kill or lock up communists, then we will lose our way of life. However, this doesn't match up with my observation. There have been a lot of countries that have taken a hard-line "kill-the-communists" approach in the past, like South Korea. However, those governments have been very unstable. South Korea went through multiple coups / revolutions - likewise Chile and others with similar stance. By contrast, the U.S. has always had strong free speech rules - and has allowed the Communist Party USA to exist publicly since its founding over a century ago, along with other radical groups.
Opposing communists with words and evidence rather than secret police isn't weak -- it appears to be a more successful strategy of opposition.
The problem with the "kill-the-communists" approach here in Korea is that after literal DECADES of this everyone started to roll their eyes at it. A while back the North sunk a South Korean boat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking) and a whole slew of South Koreans I talked to didn't believe the North was behind it, including a lot of very much not-radical businessmen that I talked to who were utterly and completely unwoke (engineers, a marketing executive, etc. etc.) . They'd lived through so much anti-communist propaganda under the dictatorship that at this point they take anything talking about the North's provocations with a huge amount of salt.
I think that a lot of the right's unhinged screeching about communists everywhere will have the same effect. Blaming every single thing on communists just makes people roll their eyes and not believe it, even when real actual card carrying communists are killing people. Actual communists are really bad for a whole slew of reasons but the tendency on the right to lump everyone to the right of Pinochet together into once vast communist horde does nothing but help actual communists.
It certainly doesn't help that the Left have whitewashed communism. A handful of neo-Nazis show up somewhere, and they get mobbed by counter-demonstrators. A bunch of college kids show up in Hammer and Sickle tee shirts, shouting that AmeriKKKa needs to be smashed? Well, that's their opinion, man.
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Free speech is fine and well. I would say though, when a person is an avowed marxist or communist, that means a good deal more than just having an opinion. Such a person is going to act and use money and everything they can within their risk tolerance to destroy the existing government/system. It is one of the requirements to install marxism/communism. It is a system marked in ALL cases by raging totalitarianism when implemented on a state level. People who espouse these sorts of beliefs are stated, flat out enemies of the United States as it has functioned to this point. I guess "hope and change" means wreck the existing system with commie bullshit.
By the same token, though, I would say that the Sovereign Citizen movement are enemies of U.S. as it has functioned to this point. They are fundamentally opposed to federal and even state governments. There are many other movements that are opposed to the current state of the country, and desire radical change.
The question is -- should these enemies of the state be "bathed in napalm" as SHARK suggests? Or should they be imprisoned for speaking out in favor of radical change?
One argument is that it is necessary. If we don't have crackdowns to kill or lock up communists, then we will lose our way of life. However, this doesn't match up with my observation. There have been a lot of countries that have taken a hard-line "kill-the-communists" approach in the past, like South Korea. However, those governments have been very unstable. South Korea went through multiple coups / revolutions - likewise Chile and others with similar stance. By contrast, the U.S. has always had strong free speech rules - and has allowed the Communist Party USA to exist publicly since its founding over a century ago, along with other radical groups.
Opposing communists with words and evidence rather than secret police isn't weak -- it appears to be a more successful strategy of opposition.
The problem with the "kill-the-communists" approach here in Korea is that after literal DECADES of this everyone started to roll their eyes at it. A while back the North sunk a South Korean boat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking) and a whole slew of South Koreans I talked to didn't believe the North was behind it, including a lot of very much not-radical businessmen that I talked to who were utterly and completely unwoke (engineers, a marketing executive, etc. etc.) . They'd lived through so much anti-communist propaganda under the dictatorship that at this point they take anything talking about the North's provocations with a huge amount of salt.
I think that a lot of the right's unhinged screeching about communists everywhere will have the same effect. Blaming every single thing on communists just makes people roll their eyes and not believe it, even when real actual card carrying communists are killing people. Actual communists are really bad for a whole slew of reasons but the tendency on the right to lump everyone to the right of Pinochet together into once vast communist horde does nothing but help actual communists.
It certainly doesn't help that the Left have whitewashed communism. A handful of neo-Nazis show up somewhere, and they get mobbed by counter-demonstrators. A bunch of college kids show up in Hammer and Sickle tee shirts, shouting that AmeriKKKa needs to be smashed? Well, that's their opinion, man.
Che Guevara shirts. Nuff said.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 14, 2021, 01:31:34 PM
Che Guevara shirts. Nuff said.
A communist who spent his whole life fighting capitalism survives primarily as a piece of mass market merchandise worn by people who have no idea who he really was.
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Probably because for all the danger posed, the Norks are really incompetent. ....
Oh, yes, another one of those side effects of communism. Remember when Mao wanted to outdo all other countries in steel production, they produced massive amounts of extremely low-quality steel (I think they melted down pots and pans to meet the state demands), and some people got killed in the process (of course).
That's a feature of communism, yes.
And remember, if you had the nerve to point out 'hey, this isn't gonna work', well, you were a 'wrecker' and needed to be shipped off to the camps for proper reeducation.
So would you agree that this sort of "reeducation" and forced conformity to government-mandated thinking is inherently a bad thing? I think that this is fundamentally morally wrong, and further shows the emptiness of the system that demands authoritarian compliance. It causes a spiral of incompetence and oppression where the government doesn't have to show results or truth, instead just punishing opposition.
And the results aren't stable. Most totalitarian communist governments have fallen apart, as with non-communist totalitarian states. The U.S. has the strongest free speech rights, and is also the oldest functioning democracy.
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Quote from: jhkim on June 13, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
One argument is that it is necessary. If we don't have crackdowns to kill or lock up communists, then we will lose our way of life. However, this doesn't match up with my observation. There have been a lot of countries that have taken a hard-line "kill-the-communists" approach in the past, like South Korea. However, those governments have been very unstable. South Korea went through multiple coups / revolutions - likewise Chile and others with similar stance. By contrast, the U.S. has always had strong free speech rules - and has allowed the Communist Party USA to exist publicly since its founding over a century ago, along with other radical groups.
Opposing communists with words and evidence rather than secret police isn't weak -- it appears to be a more successful strategy of opposition.
No. It is weak.
Do you have any sort of argument or evidence? To generalize a little more, would you say that a totalitarian government that doesn't tolerate dissent is inherently stronger than a democracy? Because it's weak to allow disagreement?
Quote from: Pat on June 14, 2021, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 14, 2021, 01:31:34 PM
Che Guevara shirts. Nuff said.
A communist who spent his whole life fighting capitalism survives primarily as a piece of mass market merchandise worn by people who have no idea who he really was.
A perfect summary of most sjws that drank the kool aid.
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Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 14, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: Trond on June 14, 2021, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 14, 2021, 11:18:49 AM
Probably because for all the danger posed, the Norks are really incompetent. ....
Oh, yes, another one of those side effects of communism. Remember when Mao wanted to outdo all other countries in steel production, they produced massive amounts of extremely low-quality steel (I think they melted down pots and pans to meet the state demands), and some people got killed in the process (of course).
That's a feature of communism, yes.
And remember, if you had the nerve to point out 'hey, this isn't gonna work', well, you were a 'wrecker' and needed to be shipped off to the camps for proper reeducation.
So would you agree that this sort of "reeducation" and forced conformity to government-mandated thinking is inherently a bad thing? I think that this is fundamentally morally wrong, and further shows the emptiness of the system that demands authoritarian compliance. It causes a spiral of incompetence and oppression where the government doesn't have to show results or truth, instead just punishing opposition.
And the results aren't stable. Most totalitarian communist governments have fallen apart, as with non-communist totalitarian states. The U.S. has the strongest free speech rights, and is also the oldest functioning democracy.
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Quote from: jhkim on June 13, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
One argument is that it is necessary. If we don't have crackdowns to kill or lock up communists, then we will lose our way of life. However, this doesn't match up with my observation. There have been a lot of countries that have taken a hard-line "kill-the-communists" approach in the past, like South Korea. However, those governments have been very unstable. South Korea went through multiple coups / revolutions - likewise Chile and others with similar stance. By contrast, the U.S. has always had strong free speech rules - and has allowed the Communist Party USA to exist publicly since its founding over a century ago, along with other radical groups.
Opposing communists with words and evidence rather than secret police isn't weak -- it appears to be a more successful strategy of opposition.
No. It is weak.
Do you have any sort of argument or evidence? To generalize a little more, would you say that a totalitarian government that doesn't tolerate dissent is inherently stronger than a democracy? Because it's weak to allow disagreement?
Unity is always stronger than diversity. This is a simple fact.
Quote from: oggsmash on June 15, 2021, 01:43:28 AM
Unity is always stronger than diversity. This is a simple fact.
Citation?
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Quote from: oggsmash on June 15, 2021, 01:43:28 AM
Unity is always stronger than diversity. This is a simple fact.
Citation?
Life. Play on a footall team where every one has their own ideas about success. Then play one one where everyone is in unison.
Quote from: oggsmash on June 15, 2021, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 15, 2021, 09:27:44 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 15, 2021, 01:43:28 AM
Unity is always stronger than diversity. This is a simple fact.
Citation?
Life. Play on a footall team where every one has their own ideas about success. Then play one one where everyone is in unison.
Even on a successful football team, there is diversity in ideas of success and motivation. That doesn't mean they can't play in unison. If you look at the members beyond just the aspect of being football players, then the diversity is more apparent.
Quote from: oggsmash on June 15, 2021, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 15, 2021, 09:27:44 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 15, 2021, 01:43:28 AM
Unity is always stronger than diversity. This is a simple fact.
Citation?
Life. Play on a footall team where every one has their own ideas about success. Then play one one where everyone is in unison.
Play in a football league where every team has different ideas about success. The best team wins, the rest learn from the experience, and play evolves and improves over time. Then imagine a theoretical league where every team is in unison. Nobody learns anything.
Unity helps individual units work as a group. Diversity allows new ideas to emerge.
Quote from: Pat on June 15, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 15, 2021, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 15, 2021, 09:27:44 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on June 15, 2021, 01:43:28 AM
Unity is always stronger than diversity. This is a simple fact.
Citation?
Life. Play on a footall team where every one has their own ideas about success. Then play one one where everyone is in unison.
Play in a football league where every team has different ideas about success. The best team wins, the rest learn from the experience, and play evolves and improves over time. Then imagine a theoretical league where every team is in unison. Nobody learns anything.
Unity helps individual units work as a group. Diversity allows new ideas to emerge.
Yes and no. Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ... Winning games and tournaments would be the goal. Now consider diversity that is juxtaposed to the common goal. Let's say one of your players plays simply because he likes hitting people, at the expense of the play, the team and the common goal. So he hits and tries to hurt people rather than playing strategically and with sportsmanlike behavior. Unity is the common goal, and diversity can help or hinder, depending the intent of the diverse. Diversity, in and of itself is neither a strength or weakness, it just is. It's how you apply it that matters.
Quote from: shuddemell on June 15, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.
Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.
Of course nowadays "diversity" generally means "not white men". We (myself and some coworkers) literally had this explained to us by someone working in the NSF.
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Quote from: Pat on June 15, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
Play in a football league where every team has different ideas about success. The best team wins, the rest learn from the experience, and play evolves and improves over time. Then imagine a theoretical league where every team is in unison. Nobody learns anything.
Unity helps individual units work as a group. Diversity allows new ideas to emerge.
Yes and no. Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ... Winning games and tournaments would be the goal. Now consider diversity that is juxtaposed to the common goal. Let's say one of your players plays simply because he likes hitting people, at the expense of the play, the team and the common goal. So he hits and tries to hurt people rather than playing strategically and with sportsmanlike behavior. Unity is the common goal, and diversity can help or hinder, depending the intent of the diverse. Diversity, in and of itself is neither a strength or weakness, it just is. It's how you apply it that matters.
The problem with the sports metaphor is that a totalitarian state with no free speech isn't necessarily an effective way to develop team unity. Most often, the free speech suppression serves to reduce team spirit and unity rather than increasing it. In a unified totalitarian state, citizens still have disloyal thoughts -- they just only voice them in secret.
I agree that diversity is neither a strength or a weakness - but as far as free speech goes, suppressing free speech doesn't create actual unity - just lip service at best, and likely eventual revolution.
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Quote from: Pat on June 15, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
Play in a football league where every team has different ideas about success. The best team wins, the rest learn from the experience, and play evolves and improves over time. Then imagine a theoretical league where every team is in unison. Nobody learns anything.
Unity helps individual units work as a group. Diversity allows new ideas to emerge.
Yes and no. Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ... Winning games and tournaments would be the goal. Now consider diversity that is juxtaposed to the common goal. Let's say one of your players plays simply because he likes hitting people, at the expense of the play, the team and the common goal. So he hits and tries to hurt people rather than playing strategically and with sportsmanlike behavior. Unity is the common goal, and diversity can help or hinder, depending the intent of the diverse. Diversity, in and of itself is neither a strength or weakness, it just is. It's how you apply it that matters.
The problem with the sports metaphor is that a totalitarian state with no free speech isn't necessarily an effective way to develop team unity. Most often, the free speech suppression serves to reduce team spirit and unity rather than increasing it. In a unified totalitarian state, citizens still have disloyal thoughts -- they just only voice them in secret.
I agree that diversity is neither a strength or a weakness - but as far as free speech goes, suppressing free speech doesn't create actual unity - just lip service at best, and likely eventual revolution.
>warns of the dangers of totalitarian states and no free speech
Irony isn't your strong point, is it?
Diversity is a weakness since it simply = no white straight males. As the word is defined it is a fine thing. As it is practiced by policy makers, it is as toxic as arsenic.
jhkim you keep acting as if the choice is full freedom or secret police. That is a retard argument. There is a massive difference in allowing communist and marxist doctrine to be funded and pushed (at taxpayer expense) versus everyone ratting on neighbors about looking at the wrong book. You are far left. Or at least you would have been 15 years ago. Now you are just left. When suddenly you find yourself on the right, and do not understand how you got there, enjoy how those commies you felt should be able to grow like cancer feel about that.
As for heading for revolution, yes the USA is headed that way. So you feel it is just fine and well to let all the anti government types meet up and discuss their grievances without having every 5th person in the room be employed by any number of federal agencies spying on them?
Quote from: oggsmash on June 15, 2021, 03:58:30 PM
Diversity is a weakness since it simply = no white straight males. As the word is defined it is a fine thing. As it is practiced by policy makers, it is as toxic as arsenic.
jhkim you keep acting as if the choice is full freedom or secret police. That is a retard argument. There is a massive difference in allowing communist and marxist doctrine to be funded and pushed (at taxpayer expense) versus everyone ratting on neighbors about looking at the wrong book. You are far left. Or at least you would have been 15 years ago. Now you are just left. When suddenly you find yourself on the right, and do not understand how you got there, enjoy how those commies you felt should be able to grow like cancer feel about that.
As for heading for revolution, yes the USA is headed that way. So you feel it is just fine and well to let all the anti government types meet up and discuss their grievances without having every 5th person in the room be employed by any number of federal agencies spying on them?
Greetings!
Excellent, OGG! Jhkim enjoys making Straw Man arguments, and especially reframing whatever argument you are making, or just some points that you are expressing, into some kind of stark contrast between happy, rainbow hippo freedom, and dark, fascist hell.
Indeed, America or any other democratic nation that values its heritage, its liberty, and its culture can precisely support and maintain such, without becoming a totalitarian hellhole. Part of protecting what you have and building future is simply understanding who and what are serious threats to that, and who and what are not. Communism, Marxism, and all of that bullshit doesn't need to be white-washed, coddled, soft-peddled, and fucking *promoted* throughout our schools and colleges. Marxism can be actively iscouraged, and rightfully vilified on a regular basis throughout society--and groups, associations, companies, media, and so on that actively stand against Marxism can be funded and otherwise rewarded and encouraged--and such companies, media, etc that want to coddle Marxists and suck Marxist cock can also be defunded, condemned, and otherwise held in absolute criticism and contempt. In addition to being surveilled by the government, thoroughly infiltrated, and as soon as they so much as fart too loudly, well, then the hammer can be brought down on them. Muh like, gee, how virtually everyone in society--government or not--has treated KKK people and neo-Nazis! Imagine that? Imagine America going after Marxists and Communists with the same kind of vigour and energy that Neo-Nazis and KKK members, organizations, and proponents are gone after?
Yeah, just like that. Do that hard, ruthlessly, and consistently, without letup or getting nice and complacent, and our Republic wouldn't be pumped full of fucking Marxists and threatened by all these Marxist nutjobs and terrible Marxist ideologies and groups--like ANTIFA, BLM, 1619 Project, CRT, SJWism, and on and on.
Imagine if, somewhere here, there was a college professor that mentioned on twitter--or actually taught such in class that Nazism was not as evil as the West has described, has many good points and virtues, and hasn't been "tried right". How long would such a Nazi-sympathizer professor last?
But exactly. We have Marxist shill professors and teachers all over schools in America, and not only do they remain employed as such, but they are respected and applauded.
That has been working so well for America. Yes, lets keep swallowing the Marxist jello! So yummy!
Good stuff, Ogg.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Pat on June 15, 2021, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 15, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.
Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.
Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Quote from: shuddemell on June 16, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Pat on June 15, 2021, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 15, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.
Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.
Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.
Ever notice the lack of intellectual diversity in wokeists? Oh sure, they're all different colors, but they might as well be clones when they open their mouths and speak.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 16, 2021, 11:08:12 AM
Ever notice the lack of intellectual diversity in wokeists? Oh sure, they're all different colors, but they might as well be clones when they open their mouths and speak.
Absolutely. Very often you will also find that they know absolutely nothing about the subject of their screeching. Take Islam for instance, or Native Americans, I have had heated discussions with SJWs about these, only to find that they knew absolutely nothing about them, and sometimes they had been actively misinformed. (Actual examples: "Native Americans learned scalping from whites" "Aztecs were intellectually far superior to Europeans" "Islam is not oppressive to women")
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Quote from: SHARK on June 15, 2021, 06:43:08 PM
Marxism can be actively iscouraged, and rightfully vilified on a regular basis throughout society--and groups, associations, companies, media, and so on that actively stand against Marxism can be funded and otherwise rewarded and encouraged--and such companies, media, etc that want to coddle Marxists and suck Marxist cock can also be defunded, condemned, and otherwise held in absolute criticism and contempt. In addition to being surveilled by the government, thoroughly infiltrated, and as soon as they so much as fart too loudly, well, then the hammer can be brought down on them. Muh like, gee, how virtually everyone in society--government or not--has treated KKK people and neo-Nazis! Imagine that? Imagine America going after Marxists and Communists with the same kind of vigour and energy that Neo-Nazis and KKK members, organizations, and proponents are gone after?
Cool! I'm glad to see this. Maybe you don't see a difference between these two positions, but I do. Holding people in criticism and contempt is completely different from killing them.
Quote from: jhkim on June 16, 2021, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Quote from: SHARK on June 15, 2021, 06:43:08 PM
Marxism can be actively iscouraged, and rightfully vilified on a regular basis throughout society--and groups, associations, companies, media, and so on that actively stand against Marxism can be funded and otherwise rewarded and encouraged--and such companies, media, etc that want to coddle Marxists and suck Marxist cock can also be defunded, condemned, and otherwise held in absolute criticism and contempt. In addition to being surveilled by the government, thoroughly infiltrated, and as soon as they so much as fart too loudly, well, then the hammer can be brought down on them. Muh like, gee, how virtually everyone in society--government or not--has treated KKK people and neo-Nazis! Imagine that? Imagine America going after Marxists and Communists with the same kind of vigour and energy that Neo-Nazis and KKK members, organizations, and proponents are gone after?
Cool! I'm glad to see this. Maybe you don't see a difference between these two positions, but I do. Holding people in criticism and contempt is completely different from killing them.
Now you only have to convince all the retards on the left that 'your speech is violence' is a fallacious and stupid argument.
Good luck.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 16, 2021, 11:59:09 AM
Now you only have to convince all the retards on the left that 'your speech is violence' is a fallacious and stupid argument.
Good luck.
Thanks. I obviously won't be able to convince all of them, but I'll try on those I can.
Quote from: Pat on June 16, 2021, 11:00:49 AM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 16, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Pat on June 15, 2021, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 15, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.
Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.
Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.
That's a valid point, however common usage unfortunately (these days) favors the racist one, and that is what I am referring to, common usage.
Quote from: jhkim on June 16, 2021, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.
Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!
Quote from: SHARK on June 15, 2021, 06:43:08 PM
Marxism can be actively iscouraged, and rightfully vilified on a regular basis throughout society--and groups, associations, companies, media, and so on that actively stand against Marxism can be funded and otherwise rewarded and encouraged--and such companies, media, etc that want to coddle Marxists and suck Marxist cock can also be defunded, condemned, and otherwise held in absolute criticism and contempt. In addition to being surveilled by the government, thoroughly infiltrated, and as soon as they so much as fart too loudly, well, then the hammer can be brought down on them. Muh like, gee, how virtually everyone in society--government or not--has treated KKK people and neo-Nazis! Imagine that? Imagine America going after Marxists and Communists with the same kind of vigour and energy that Neo-Nazis and KKK members, organizations, and proponents are gone after?
Cool! I'm glad to see this. Maybe you don't see a difference between these two positions, but I do. Holding people in criticism and contempt is completely different from killing them.
Greetings!
I applaud that which gets the job done. Whatever means necessary, whatever tools, whatever methods deemed necessary to protect America, and safeguard our culture, our heritage, and our way of life--from the fucking Marxists, and any other enemies.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: shuddemell on June 16, 2021, 01:52:26 PM
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Quote from: shuddemell on June 15, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.
Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.
Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.
That's a valid point, however common usage unfortunately (these days) favors the racist one, and that is what I am referring to, common usage.
They're attempting to promote racism by subverting language. By using their definitions, you've already half-conceded.
Quote from: Pat on June 16, 2021, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 16, 2021, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: Pat on June 16, 2021, 11:00:49 AM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 16, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Pat on June 15, 2021, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 15, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.
Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.
Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.
That's a valid point, however common usage unfortunately (these days) favors the racist one, and that is what I am referring to, common usage.
They're attempting to promote racism by subverting language. By using their definitions, you've already half-conceded.
Not hardly. I oppose it. However, you cannot ignore the reality that is exactly what people usually mean if they use the word diversity. I refuse to use it, except in discussions of how patently absurd it is. There are plenty of other words that can be used, but when someone speaks of "diversity" they are almost always speaking in the "racist" sense, and I respond accordingly. They are not attempting anything, they've already succeeded as far as most of society is concerned.
Quote from: shuddemell on June 17, 2021, 09:05:20 AM
Quote from: Pat on June 16, 2021, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 16, 2021, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: Pat on June 16, 2021, 11:00:49 AM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 16, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Pat on June 15, 2021, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 15, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.
Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.
Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.
That's a valid point, however common usage unfortunately (these days) favors the racist one, and that is what I am referring to, common usage.
They're attempting to promote racism by subverting language. By using their definitions, you've already half-conceded.
Not hardly. I oppose it. However, you cannot ignore the reality that is exactly what people usually mean if they use the word diversity. I refuse to use it, except in discussions of how patently absurd it is. There are plenty of other words that can be used, but when someone speaks of "diversity" they are almost always speaking in the "racist" sense, and I respond accordingly. They are not attempting anything, they've already succeeded as far as most of society is concerned.
We were talking about football, and how diversity in each team's play can lead to the development of new tactics. Then I brought up abstract knowledge, and how it's generated by diversity. In both cases, we were clearly talking about diversity of thought or organization, because there's no reasonable way to shoehorn a definition based on skin color tokenism into what was being described. Then you suddenly switched definitions, and I rejected it. I have zero interest in that discussion.
Quote from: Pat on June 17, 2021, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 17, 2021, 09:05:20 AM
Quote from: Pat on June 16, 2021, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 16, 2021, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: Pat on June 16, 2021, 11:00:49 AM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 16, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Pat on June 15, 2021, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: shuddemell on June 15, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.
Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.
Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.
That's a valid point, however common usage unfortunately (these days) favors the racist one, and that is what I am referring to, common usage.
They're attempting to promote racism by subverting language. By using their definitions, you've already half-conceded.
Not hardly. I oppose it. However, you cannot ignore the reality that is exactly what people usually mean if they use the word diversity. I refuse to use it, except in discussions of how patently absurd it is. There are plenty of other words that can be used, but when someone speaks of "diversity" they are almost always speaking in the "racist" sense, and I respond accordingly. They are not attempting anything, they've already succeeded as far as most of society is concerned.
We were talking about football, and how diversity in each team's play can lead to the development of new tactics. Then I brought up abstract knowledge, and how it's generated by diversity. In both cases, we were clearly talking about diversity of thought or organization, because there's no reasonable way to shoehorn a definition based on skin color tokenism into what was being described. Then you suddenly switched definitions, and I rejected it. I have zero interest in that discussion.
I didn't switch anything. YOU were talking about football as an abstract example where diversity CAN develop new tactics. I replied because that is only true if they are working toward the common goal of winning the game. Which you then claimed that unity of purpose is not necessary. I still believe in the role of human endeavors, it largely is necessary for diversity to add to it, and gave an example where the idea that diversity doesn't always do this, and that underlying the idea of a football game is UNITY of purpose. The discussion then expanded to the idea of development of ideas ab initio, which once again is different from the idea of diversity always being a positive. Your implication is that I was goal shifting, and yet that isn't the case, you just see it differently which is fine. If you don't want to discuss it, then you can stop responding anytime. My point is simply that your notion of the "correct" definition and what you call the "racist" definition are intrisically linked and inseparable as far as most are concerned, whether you accept it or not. We could have just said "variety" and there would be no political loading, but you cannot avoid the political loading of "diversity" just because you don't accept the definition being used by most...
You switched to the new definition, not I.
And I certainly can avoid it. Not always, because people try to shift the discussion all the time. But when that happens, I reject it, and push back against it, like I'm doing here. This is a debate of ideas, but one group is trying to avoid having to defend their positions in the free market of ideas. They're doing it changing the rules instead of fairly competing on merits. The rules they're changing are the definitions of common, well-established words. This kind of falseness and deception must be called out whenever it rears its head, because tacitly accepting the redefinitions means the debate is lost before the first argument is even made.
Quote from: shuddemell on June 17, 2021, 09:05:20 AM
Not hardly. I oppose it. However, you cannot ignore the reality that is exactly what people usually mean if they use the word diversity. I refuse to use it, except in discussions of how patently absurd it is. There are plenty of other words that can be used, but when someone speaks of "diversity" they are almost always speaking in the "racist" sense, and I respond accordingly. They are not attempting anything, they've already succeeded as far as most of society is concerned.
In the discussion here, the first person to use the term "diversity" was oggsmash in Reply #94 (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/something-they-definitely-don-t-want-you-to-see-proud-boys-latinos-for-trump/msg1176368/#msg1176368). I had been talking about how allowing free speech wasn't weakness, and oggsmash replied,
Quote from: oggsmash on June 15, 2021, 01:43:28 AM
Unity is always stronger than diversity. This is a simple fact.
I don't think he was using it to mean race - since the topic was about free speech.
This just in:
Proud Boys make money selling BLM and anti-Trump shirts. They keep shutting down their sales of Proud Boys shirts so they started to make money off "brain dead retards" for shits and giggles. I could not make this up 😄