SJWs have taken over D&D and S&W and Onyx/WW; who is left?

[crkrueger]

Yet the push is on to get children, particularly little boys, eunuched and drugged as young as possible.

Just wondering...

Is there a thing on the internet where the "Transgendered Agenda" and its being embraced by the Left is really just a way to make acceptable the elimination of men through hormone transitioning as children?  Perhaps tied in with vaccinations and Bovine Growth Hormone?

[S'mon]

You're using the Left and the Democractic party and synonyms here and there is some overlap for sure but not always. By other countries standards the Dems would be a strictly moderate or even centre right party.

By other country standards they are centre-Left on social issues other than gun control (if gun control is Left, typical Democrat position is right by other country standards), centre to centre right on economics. Depends what you count by Left & Right of course.

[1989]

1989, how often are you finding politics in stuff you actually buy?

Not in stuff discussed online, but in stuff you have bought?

Well, I was going to buy D&D 5e. The system was really what I wanted -- a return to a girdless/miniature-less system. I grew to hate 3.0 ad 3.5 even more. 4e I didn't even buy. I had been waiting for 5e since 1999, essentially. But the transgender/homosexual thing left a bad taste in my mouth. I was ready to buy multiple sets for friends, kids, etc. (you can see my earlier threads on therpgsite), but I essentially voted with my wallet and did not buy it.

[S'mon]

Such as in Canada, where the transgendered have successfully lobbied for the state to coerce its citizens into participating in their sick fantasy under threat of seizure of their assets and imprisonment.  Shit like this, incidentally, is why I no longer feel any reservations regarding open hostility to the transgendered.  They have made it clear that they will take what they want by force, coerce everyone around them into acting as props in their sick little identity plays.

I don't feel hostility to trans who don't act like that. Being mentally ill doesn't make you a bad person, being a totalitarian who tries to jail anyone who talks back makes you a bad person.

[1989]

Wow, you're a piece of shit.

No, you're a piece of shit.

[S'mon]

Well, I was going to buy D&D 5e. The system was really what I wanted -- a return to a girdless/miniature-less system. I grew to hate 3.0 ad 3.5 even more. 4e I didn't even buy. I had been waiting for 5e since 1999, essentially. But the transgender/homosexual thing left a bad taste in my mouth. I was ready to buy multiple sets for friends, kids, etc. (you can see my earlier threads on therpgsite), but I essentially voted with my wallet and did not buy it.

It's just the one paragraph:

"You don't need to be confined to binary notions of sex and gender. The elf god Corellon Larethian is often seen as androgynous or hermaphroditic, for example, and some elves in the multiverse are made in in Corellon's image. You could also play a female character who presents herself as a man, a man who feels trapped in a female body, or a bearded female dwarf who hates being mistaken for a male. Likewise, your character's sexual orientation is for you to decide."

I think the bit about androgynous & hermaphrodite elves is a retcon. From what I recall some SJWs loved this, some said it was terrible because X Y Z. I dunno, it doesn't ruin the game for me and it doesn't have a strong moral prescription to it. It's not spread throughout the text.

OTOH apparently Corellon being an hermaphrodite entity was offensive to SJWS and got edited out later - http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?552156-What-happened-to-the-Hermaphrodites

I guess for me it's not particularly offensive, it's easy to ignore, and anyway I might well want to play "a female character who presents herself as a man" - for practicality, nothing to do with being transgender. They might as well have said "You can play a character of the opposite sex" - plenty of people would take offence at that, too!

[Nexus]

No, you're a piece of shit.

And there we have it. Rock bottom.

[Spinachcat]

As far as applying to children, when the child becomes a legal adult and can afford the procedure (including psychiatric), then that person can do whatever they want to with their body.

Agreed.

I am very concerned about non-medically required procedures being performed on children or teens.

When I was teaching special education, I was involved in two cases where the law got involved because of delusional parents who convinced their child (and the child's doctors) that the child suffered from non-existent disabilities.

After a decade in the school system, I don't believe in "parents know best" or "teachers know best" or "the state knows best".

Much of the strength and urgency transgendered position was a result of claims that if those children diagnosed with gender dysphoria were not transitioned they would kill themselves.  A threat of avoidable deaths, a powerful emotional and pragmatic lever.  This was always bullshit, because not only do four fifths of those age out of it, mature and become normal and healthy, but those who undergo surgical alteration and become transgendered have poor outcomes.  For a child to undergo gender reassignment is a grave injustice.  80% of the time, all that needs be done is nothing, and this majority is punished very cruelly by those who would attempt to cater to the minority who do not resolve their gender issues by the end of childhood..... but who, even if they transition, still get poor outcomes.  

80% is an extraordinary claim and those require extraordinary proof.

Links please.

Wow, you're a piece of shit.

Let's see if he can back his claims.

Is there a thing on the internet where the "Transgendered Agenda" and its being embraced by the Left is really just a way to make acceptable the elimination of men through hormone transitioning as children?  Perhaps tied in with vaccinations and Bovine Growth Hormone?

I've seen that in Yahoo comment sections.

But right next to "Ron Paul 2012" and "U R Fag"

Being mentally ill doesn't make you a bad person, being a totalitarian who tries to jail anyone who talks back makes you a bad person.

Exactly.

It's very important to separate fetishists from people suffering a genetic disorder.

And there we have it. Rock bottom.

Nah. We have furry footed burrowers.

[Spinachcat]

Well, I was going to buy D&D 5e. The system was really what I wanted -- a return to a girdless/miniature-less system. I grew to hate 3.0 ad 3.5 even more. 4e I didn't even buy. I had been waiting for 5e since 1999, essentially. But the transgender/homosexual thing left a bad taste in my mouth. I was ready to buy multiple sets for friends, kids, etc. (you can see my earlier threads on therpgsite), but I essentially voted with my wallet and did not buy it.

I agree the paragraph is just politics. BUT why let one paragraph stand in the way of a game you want to play?

If you really like what 5e is offering in gameplay, why punish yourself? If you want to deny WotC the cash, then buy the books 2nd hand off eBay or just use the free downloads.

And have you played Castles & Crusades?

[Rincewind1]

And there we have it. Rock bottom.

No, we've started at rock bottom, we're well into the shell by now.

[Rincewind1]

Well, I was going to buy D&D 5e. The system was really what I wanted -- a return to a girdless/miniature-less system. I grew to hate 3.0 ad 3.5 even more. 4e I didn't even buy. I had been waiting for 5e since 1999, essentially. But the transgender/homosexual thing left a bad taste in my mouth. I was ready to buy multiple sets for friends, kids, etc. (you can see my earlier threads on therpgsite), but I essentially voted with my wallet and did not buy it.

You couldn't be more of a special snowflake if you were made out of frozen water, you realise that I hope.

[jeff37923]

I am very concerned about non-medically required procedures being performed on children or teens.

When I was teaching special education, I was involved in two cases where the law got involved because of delusional parents who convinced their child (and the child's doctors) that the child suffered from non-existent disabilities.

After a decade in the school system, I don't believe in "parents know best" or "teachers know best" or "the state knows best".

It pains me to say it, "but think about the children" does indeed apply here.

[Llew ap Hywel]

**Breaks rule** There are some right royal cunts in this thread who seriously need to think hard and long about why other people's identity choices are so frightening and threatening to them.

I mean holy shit really people live and let live. You don't have to agree with people's lifestyles to accept their right to have them...unless their Nazis (or variant) in which case their pricks. **reinstates rule**

[Bedrockbrendan]

**Breaks rule** There are some right royal cunts in this thread who seriously need to think hard and long about why other people's identity choices are so frightening and threatening to them.

Too early for me to make a cogent argument, but this. Some of the stuff on this thread is just fucking hateful. I get that there is a loss of nuance on the left when social justice issues are brought up, and too often terms like bigot and racist are simply thrown around. But damn, some of the posts in the last few pages definitely qualify as homophobic and transphobic. Not to mention just plain hateful of people who are different from you.

[Llew ap Hywel]

Too early for me to make a cogent argument, but this. Some of the stuff on this thread is just fucking hateful. I get that there is a loss of nuance on the left when social justice issues are brought up, and too often terms like bigot and racist are simply thrown around. But damn, some of the posts in the last few pages definitely qualify as homophobic and transphobic. Not to mention just plain hateful of people who are different from you.

I don't go with the left right crap, that politics and that's a poison of another stripe. But yeah the outright bigotry and hate in this thread is enough to cross my fingers for an extinction event.