RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)

[jhkim]

They're kinda salty over it, though I'm sensing some hesitancy there to talk too much.

Partly due to the incredible minefield that is Tangency Open, but I suspect nobody really wants to jump out there and declare 'It should be TOTALLY legal to discuss LGBT in explicit terms to second graders!'.

One comment I have seen a lot in general lately (everywhere, not necessarily RPG.net) is that people are "waiting for permission" to say something, or perhaps cautiously testing the water to see what's "the appropriate response". Simply having your own opinion on something is just too risky.

I don't read RPGnet, but in my circles, everyone and their brother seems to be expressing an opinion on the Will Smith slap - both liberal and conservative. It's all anyone was talking about. I don't see any hesitancy on that. Also, the Florida law is being roundly denounced among my liberal circles, with little hesitation as far as I can tell.

But this is getting off-topic from RPGnet.

[Trond]

   That screeching over what is essentially an anti groomer bill is very, very telling (dont know about rpgnet, their take will surely be whatever "THE NEW THING IS") how the NPCs have taken the download without ever reading the bill (and it is as short as a bill can be).

Did you see Ron Perlman's take on it? It's hilariously stupid and a bit disturbing at the same time.

[Ghostmaker]

   That screeching over what is essentially an anti groomer bill is very, very telling (dont know about rpgnet, their take will surely be whatever "THE NEW THING IS") how the NPCs have taken the download without ever reading the bill (and it is as short as a bill can be).

Did you see Ron Perlman's take on it? It's hilariously stupid and a bit disturbing at the same time.

No, but Perlman's been an idiot for a while so it doesn't surprise me that he simps for groomers.

[Trond]

No, but Perlman's been an idiot for a while so it doesn't surprise me that he simps for groomers.

This time he's being hilariously stupid, calling people nazis,  being completely misinformed, all the while telling others to get educated

[Shasarak]

No, but Perlman's been an idiot for a while so it doesn't surprise me that he simps for groomers.

This time he's being hilariously stupid, calling people nazis,  being completely misinformed, all the while telling others to get educated

Thats the best part.  Telling other people to get educated so that you dont have to.

[oggsmash]

   That screeching over what is essentially an anti groomer bill is very, very telling (dont know about rpgnet, their take will surely be whatever "THE NEW THING IS") how the NPCs have taken the download without ever reading the bill (and it is as short as a bill can be).

Did you see Ron Perlman's take on it? It's hilariously stupid and a bit disturbing at the same time.

  I think I saw someone posting him ranting something.  I guess I can reserve either complete idiot, or groomer as a box to check by his name. 

   Maybe some tik tok "celebrity" or other will come out with the "OK Groomer!!"  video.

[Nephil]

Actors are dancing monkeys. When they are not dancing, they can fuck off. No one sane looks to actors for intelligent political commentary, it just is not what they know anything about.

[Mistwell]

Actors are dancing monkeys. When they are not dancing, they can fuck off. No one sane looks to actors for intelligent political commentary, it just is not what they know anything about.

They are just people. Like you. Their opinion is as valid as yours. They know as much or as little as you do.

[jhkim]

Actors are dancing monkeys. When they are not dancing, they can fuck off. No one sane looks to actors for intelligent political commentary, it just is not what they know anything about.

They are just people. Like you. Their opinion is as valid as yours. They know as much or as little as you do.

There have been a few actors who have been successful in politics, like Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Ventura, Franken. But yeah, their acting doesn't make them qualified. And like most celebrities of any sort (and most opinions on the Internet in general), as a whole they give random opinions that are no more worthwhile than any other random source.

Ron Perlman specifically implied that the Florida law violates the First Amendment, which it doesn't.

On the other hand, the law is very broadly worded to ban all discussion of LGBT people - which is pure prejudice. Hetero romance is constantly packaged for preschoolers and younger in G-rated Disney cartoons and elsewhere, but LGBT relationships are considered an adults-only topic.

[Ratman_tf]

Actors are dancing monkeys. When they are not dancing, they can fuck off. No one sane looks to actors for intelligent political commentary, it just is not what they know anything about.

They are just people. Like you. Their opinion is as valid as yours. They know as much or as little as you do.

There have been a few actors who have been successful in politics, like Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Ventura, Franken. But yeah, their acting doesn't make them qualified. And like most celebrities of any sort (and most opinions on the Internet in general), as a whole they give random opinions that are no more worthwhile than any other random source.

Ron Perlman specifically implied that the Florida law violates the First Amendment, which it doesn't.

On the other hand, the law is very broadly worded to ban all discussion of LGBT people - which is pure prejudice. Hetero romance is constantly packaged for preschoolers and younger in G-rated Disney cartoons and elsewhere, but LGBT relationships are considered an adults-only topic.

This is the kind of nonsense that people who want to indoctrinate young children into their preferred ideas about sex and sexuality want you to repeat.

The bill specifies "instruction". It does not ban all discussion of LGBT people. You can say "gay" until you're hoarse. A teacher can't teach about sex or sexuality without transparency and notifying the parents.

This is going to be the hill that the extreme left ideologues die on.

[Reckall]

I'm still amazed that something as simple as...

"While my kids are still underage, it is up to me, as a parent, decide when to tackle certain topics with them and how."

...Is the subject of so much debate.

[jeff37923]

I'm still amazed that something as simple as...

"While my kids are still underage, it is up to me, as a parent, decide when to tackle certain topics with them and how."

...Is the subject of so much debate.

That is only because leftist groomers want there to be debate so that the idea stays on life support.

[Pat]

Actors are dancing monkeys. When they are not dancing, they can fuck off. No one sane looks to actors for intelligent political commentary, it just is not what they know anything about.

They are just people. Like you. Their opinion is as valid as yours. They know as much or as little as you do.

They're privileged, isolated, and live in a bubble of people who think just like them, and the influence that comes with being a star means they're surrounded by lickspittles who just nod at their most inane or idiotic statements. They're uninformed, rarely hear a contrary opinion, and are completely out of touch with regular people. Yet they have a massive platform, and a disproportionate voice.

Critical Drinker did a good piece yesterday on why movie stars so often come across as a clueless idiots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l04RZVeJViI

[Wntrlnd]

I am not American, so my take is coming from the POV of a "progressive European".

As a teacher, (well, substitute teacher) it sometimes happens that we have discussions about LGBT issues.

My take is that the topic should only be discussed in a serious manner once the students have entered puberty (grade 7-9) so 13+ and up. By that point there are time devoted for it in the curriculum.

Until then, for younger students in the range of grade 1-6, the only thing I teach is that "don't use gay as a slur on otherwise in a pejorative manner" because they're still to young to know about or feel sexual attraction. Any interest in the opposite sex is purely social conditioning.

So I would lay out it like "Statistically, one of you (in this class) will be a homosexual, and one of the people on this school will be a transsexual. And until you are a teen, there is no way of really knowing. It might be you. Or maybe your best friend. So stay respectful and don't say things you might regret later."

That's it. My entire advice to pre-teens can be handled as "This doesn't concern you (yet). Wait until you're older. Until then, simply don't be a jerk"

[Ghostmaker]

I am not American, so my take is coming from the POV of a "progressive European".

As a teacher, (well, substitute teacher) it sometimes happens that we have discussions about LGBT issues.

My take is that the topic should only be discussed in a serious manner once the students have entered puberty (grade 7-9) so 13+ and up. By that point there are time devoted for it in the curriculum.

Until then, for younger students in the range of grade 1-6, the only thing I teach is that "don't use gay as a slur on otherwise in a pejorative manner" because they're still to young to know about or feel sexual attraction. Any interest in the opposite sex is purely social conditioning.

So I would lay out it like "Statistically, one of you (in this class) will be a homosexual, and one of the people on this school will be a transsexual. And until you are a teen, there is no way of really knowing. It might be you. Or maybe your best friend. So stay respectful and don't say things you might regret later."

That's it. My entire advice to pre-teens can be handled as "This doesn't concern you (yet). Wait until you're older. Until then, simply don't be a jerk"

Which is, in my opinion, a pretty good way to handle it.

But the blunt fact of the matter is that the alphabet mafia fucked up bad, at least here in the States. They decided to go for an all out push that, frankly, comes off less as 'please accept us' and more 'we want to indoctrinate your children and if you don't like it FUCK YOU'.

Perhaps people forgot about the astonishing blatancy of the San Francisco Gay Men's Choir and 'we're coming for your kids'. Unfortunately, not ALL of them forgot.