I gotta admit I must have forgotten this FUBAR, but when reminded of it I vaguely recalled jt.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender_Man_stabbing
One of the two girls who committed this fucktarded act of gigaton class idiocy just got kinda sorta released last year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-convicted-slender-man-stabbing-be-freed-monday-n1278980
The second is seeking release.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-slender-man-stabbing-seeking-conditional-release-rcna35109
Basically they were 12 and claimed they wanted to ''appease the slenderman''. ::) Both were found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. One was ruled 'insane' and the other was diagnosed 'schitzophrenic'. I don't see the difference.
They were both sentenced to mental hospitals, for 25 and 40 years. I don't get that at all. I mean I believed if you were found insane you went away until your were called 'cured' or died.
The cases started a big storm over the internet and it's effects on children. Obviously nothing came of it.
This shit wasn't the net's fault, we had the Manson family when all we had was radio and vinyl records. Same for the jonestown case.
I'm curious what people here will think of this case. We all use the net obviously, we are gamers, we deal with violent fantasy as entertainment. I hope most of us haven't committed any real attempted murders. (Not yet, in my case)
Do you think the girls got off light? Got treated fairly? I doubt people here will blame slenderman, what about the parents? Since we're all into the net and violent fantasy entertainment , what differences do you see between yourselves and these little idiots that (hopefully) kept you from pulling shit like this?
I certainly don't blame the internet, horror stories, TV, music, games or anything else of that sort. The parents may share some blame, or may not. I do know that not everything a kid does can be blamed on the parents, but without knowing more I can't judge. Sometimes parents do at least share some culpability. I also don't know enough about mental illness to know if these girls were really sick or just evil little shits. Either way, they got off too lightly. If they're sick they need to be hospitalized for a loooong time, either for treatment or to protect society from them, and if not crazy then they need long prison sentences. In that case, keep them in a juvenile facility until they're of age, then prison. I'd show them a little more mercy than I would an adult who'd done the same, but that's about it.
I'm just glad they weren't a couple years older and into a WoD game...
Anyone else rember Rod ferrell?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Ferrell
A person who is mentally deficient to the degree they are murderously dangerous to others for life should just be put down. If they are that tortured it is more humane, and if they are that dangerous it is more responsible.
In principle maybe, but giving any government the power to declare someone dangerously crazy and execute them would be a greater level of insanity. Even the most well meaning governments and maybe especially the most well meaning ones as they would be more proactive in killing those too mad to agree with their every policy. If you think about it communism is the most well meaning government and the most proactive and the most horrible and bloody. No, I'm not totally opposed to the death penalty or even governments but I don't ever want to see the two of them in the same room together.
QuoteA person who is mentally deficient to the degree they are murderously dangerous to others for life should just be put down. If they are that tortured it is more humane, and if they are that dangerous it is more responsible.
Putting down sick people is absolutely morally disgusting.
Quote from: Wrath of God on July 03, 2022, 09:45:13 AM
QuoteA person who is mentally deficient to the degree they are murderously dangerous to others for life should just be put down. If they are that tortured it is more humane, and if they are that dangerous it is more responsible.
Putting down sick people is absolutely morally disgusting.
If they are deadly dangerous to others, it is not. Morally disgusting is letting them stay around....and then act shocked when they kill some innocent person. So spare me the moral outrage.
This is a common attempt to conflate every mental issue with people who are in fact murderously dangerous. You can be one and not the other. But if you have already killed someone, and it is because your brain is fucked up, I prefer to just send you to your maker.
Quote from: Wrath of God on July 03, 2022, 09:45:13 AM
QuoteA person who is mentally deficient to the degree they are murderously dangerous to others for life should just be put down. If they are that tortured it is more humane, and if they are that dangerous it is more responsible.
Putting down sick people is absolutely morally disgusting.
Wow, I'm kind of agreeing with you. Honestly.
To be clear if someone has a terminal illness that cripples them, is terribly painful, etc and they can request euthanasia, yes it should be facilitated. (FUCK YOU CHRISTIAN FUNDIES!)
If someone is literally brain dead and will never recover, their NoK should be able to authorize euthanasia. (FUCK YOU JEB BUSH!!!)
And honestly if a person is doing a life in prison with no chance of release sentence, yeah, I could be ok with them requesting euthanasia.
But a physically functional person with sanity issues? I'm not at all sure. TBH I have to be against it for now as we have trumpists who claim all liberals, democrats, gays, etc are mentally detective and would love to 'euthanize '' them.
Also as a run up to the holocaust the Nazis (the first generation ones, not the current ones) advocated and carried out 'euthanasia '' on ibsane abd retarded people.
So, yeah, actually, i'm generally agreeing with you here.
Quote from: oggsmash on July 03, 2022, 11:10:24 AM
This is a common attempt to conflate every mental issue with people who are in fact murderously dangerous. You can be one and not the other. But if you have already killed someone, and it is because your brain is fucked up, I prefer to just send you to your maker.
Hmmmm, OK, ogg, if you're going to favor harsher penalties for seriously mentally ill people, the legendary 'ax wielding homicidal maniac' say, would you also favor harsher penalties for people who abuse or exploit mentally ill or impaired people?
In reality despite Hollywood's love affair with the insane criminal, people with mental illness are far more likely to be victimjzed by criminals.
So would you favor extra hard treatment of those who victimized the mentally ill?
Quote from: oggsmash on July 03, 2022, 11:10:24 AM
This is a common attempt to conflate every mental issue with people who are in fact murderously dangerous. You can be one and not the other. But if you have already killed someone, and it is because your brain is fucked up, I prefer to just send you to your maker.
Would agree that a lot of mental illnesses get a bad rap they don't deserve, and people conflate them with things like psychopathy or sociopathy. Heck, cut out drug and alcohol abuse and the crime rates for the mentally ill are more or less in line with everybody else, they're just a lot more likely to be victimized.
Which is part of why personally IDK if say being in a hospital for three days because of supposed danger to self, or even danger to others if you never actually harm anyone, should be reason to take away your gun rights for life as is currently done under federal law. I feel that ignores both the fact that victims with guns are more likely to prevent and deter crime, and that treatment for mental illnesses is a very real thing. I feel like you should at least be able to challenge stuff like that in court with psychiatric testimony from your meds/care provider and continued proof of mental well-being.
On which note, I feel like if you harm somebody purely on the basis of a treatable mental illness, you might still be salvageable. The death penalty isn't something I'm intrinsically opposed to, but it is expensive. And if people who are so morally twisted they would actually kill someone in their right state of mind can at times get a pass on that or life imprisonment, I feel like somebody who's never had mental health treatment is perhaps a case where we could actually attempt rehabilitation. Though there would need to be better follow-up and a way to mandate psychiatric care and observation, and taking one's meds permanently, unlike now, if they want to even try it and in the long term get out of a psych ward.
Wow, kindameh, this is my day for agreeing with people here. 8)
Your post showed more education and awareness of mental illness issues, not to mention higher levels of wisdom and intelligence, than most lawmakers, political talking heads, 'influencers '' and 'experts' in the field show.
I am very impressed.
Quote from: Wrath of God on July 03, 2022, 09:45:13 AM
QuoteA person who is mentally deficient to the degree they are murderously dangerous to others for life should just be put down. If they are that tortured it is more humane, and if they are that dangerous it is more responsible.
Putting down sick people is absolutely morally disgusting.
Why?
We put down rabid animals, don't we?
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
TBH I have to be against it for now as we have trumpists who claim all liberals, democrats, gays, etc are mentally detective and would love to 'euthanize '' them.
Can you provide examples? Would those examples represent the mainstream thinking of Trump voters?
Aaand then there's the usual talking cumstain shitlord fucktards.... ::)
In Jeff's defense on this thread, while I don't love the personal attacks that get thrown in fights between you and folks like him on the board, much though I can appreciate the freedom of speech it illustrates...
No personal attacks were launched in this thread, and his posts were on topic.
I also kinda agree that the average Trump voter may not be as bad as you make them out to be. To say nothing of the right wing more generally.
Though I feel like the answer to the sick animal question may in part have to do with their status as human beings, and the idea that acting uninformed or misinformed and thereby causing damage is not necessarily evidence of moral wrongdoing so much as incompetence. Of which many are guilty in their beliefs, political or otherwise, and should not perhaps be killed for it despite the damage those beliefs can cause. Likewise, many believe that you shouldn't kill those who aren't actually malevolent or who seem "innocent" in their moral intentions. Not saying the defense always holds if a person's life is actively and imminently in danger, but I do get it.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 12:34:00 PM
Aaand then there's the usual talking cumstain shitlord fucktards.... ::)
Hey, people wouldn't think that you are full of shit if you could just answer a few simple questions. You'll never be able to shake your Trump Derangement Syndrome, though. You are an excellent example of media brainwashing in action, though.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
Wow, kindameh, this is my day for agreeing with people here. 8)
Your post showed more education and awareness of mental illness issues, not to mention higher levels of wisdom and intelligence, than most lawmakers, political talking heads, 'influencers '' and 'experts' in the field show.
I am very impressed.
Thanks. IDK if my post or I truly deserve it, but I do appreciate it. As well as some of the points you yourself made about victimization within that demographic.
This is an interesting and solid thread, and I totally had forgotten about its originating event prior to your bringing it up. Brings back some weird memories.
Quote from: KindaMeh on July 03, 2022, 12:48:50 PMThis is why we have a criminal justice system.
Though I feel like the answer to the sick animal question may in part have to do with their status as human beings, and the idea that acting uninformed or misinformed and thereby causing damage is not necessarily evidence of moral wrongdoing so much as incompetence. Of which many are guilty in their beliefs, political or otherwise, and should not perhaps be killed for it despite the damage those beliefs can cause. Likewise, many believe that you shouldn't kill those who aren't actually malevolent or who seem "innocent" in their moral intentions. Not saying the defense always holds if a person's life is actively and imminently in danger, but I do get it.
This is why we have a criminal justice system.
I do not believe that a human beings life is innately special or precious. It is dependent on what that human being does with their life that matters. Career criminals should be given the death penalty to keep them from engaging in the revolving door of incarceration without rehabilitation, they have demonstrated that they are unwilling to change and just wish to prey upon the innocent by having a long record of felony convictions. "They didn't know any better", should not be a valid excuse to defend them.
Quote from: jeff37923 on July 03, 2022, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: KindaMeh on July 03, 2022, 12:48:50 PMThis is why we have a criminal justice system.
Though I feel like the answer to the sick animal question may in part have to do with their status as human beings, and the idea that acting uninformed or misinformed and thereby causing damage is not necessarily evidence of moral wrongdoing so much as incompetence. Of which many are guilty in their beliefs, political or otherwise, and should not perhaps be killed for it despite the damage those beliefs can cause. Likewise, many believe that you shouldn't kill those who aren't actually malevolent or who seem "innocent" in their moral intentions. Not saying the defense always holds if a person's life is actively and imminently in danger, but I do get it.
This is why we have a criminal justice system.
I do not believe that a human beings life is innately special or precious. It is dependent on what that human being does with their life that matters. Career criminals should be given the death penalty to keep them from engaging in the revolving door of incarceration without rehabilitation, they have demonstrated that they are unwilling to change and just wish to prey upon the innocent by having a long record of felony convictions. "They didn't know any better", should not be a valid excuse to defend them.
Agreed that due process is important.
Also agreed that harming others can be a justification for being harmed or killed to stop that behavior, and that people should be judged upon their merits, even as their rights and liberties must be legally respected.
I think the death penalty costs a lot as currently actualized, and would need reform in order to be a cost-viable deterrent compared to throwing away the key on career criminals who don't want to reform. Dunno though, not my area of specialty.
Revolving door prisons are indeed a problem, though IDK if this applies to mental health if basic occasional care and observation and MEDS were to be a mandated conditional to rehabilitation and continued societal participation.
More to the point, most mental health disorders aren't innately dangerous if you look at the crime statistics minus drug and alcohol abuse overlap numbers. (Go figure, druggies are sketch.) Likewise, treatment is a real solution, and in such instances as folks never got to try it before f-ing up... I feel like they may be more salvageable than career criminals.
Quote from: KindaMeh on July 03, 2022, 12:48:50 PM
In Jeff's defense on this thread, while I don't love the personal attacks that get thrown in fights between you and folks like him on the board, much though I can appreciate the freedom of speech it illustrates...
No personal attacks were launched in this thread, and his posts were on topic.
I also kinda agree that the average Trump voter may not be as bad as you make them out to be. To say nothing of the right wing more generally.
Though I feel like the answer to the sick animal question may in part have to do with their status as human beings, and the idea that acting uninformed or misinformed and thereby causing damage is not necessarily evidence of moral wrongdoing so much as incompetence. Of which many are guilty in their beliefs, political or otherwise, and should not perhaps be killed for it despite the damage those beliefs can cause. Likewise, many believe that you shouldn't kill those who aren't actually malevolent or who seem "innocent" in their moral intentions. Not saying the defense always holds if a person's life is actively and imminently in danger, but I do get it.
I don't see jeffs posts, I blocked him as his posts were near invariably just shitthrowing. I just decided they likely were and replied in kind.
Edit: I did see his post you were quoting and saw he did not see human life as being of any innate worth. I wasn't surprised ,he comes off as a libertarian ayn rhand type who believes he is superior and would probably be hunting poor homeless people on horseback or from a helicopter if he could get away with it.
Maybe human life does have no value. The chinese government sure believes that, so millions of people are basically slave labor in factories from birth to death because their lives are valueless. Dissidents are murdered and their organs sold because the money means more than their lives.
Most people don't want to live in a world where human life has no value. Maybe libertarians with fantasies of being supermen like John Galt want to because they believe they'd be freer in that world, but most people don't want a world like that, so we have laws and religion thru human history. Neither have been perfect solutions but both relfect the desjere of most to have human lives matter. Edit.
I read a very strange sf novel long ago called 'the godwhale' (it was better than the title) that featured a society basically ran by a super AI that was under an inviolable, absolutely inviolable, command against killing people for any reason at all. Two people wondered about it and were told if the AI, which was more intelligent than humans, were allowed to kill even only extreme circumstances, it could use it's greater intelligence to rationalize and justify killing anyone or everyone. So it was hardwired against killing anyone ever period.
In America we have too much rationalized killing of people as is. Passively or actively America kills people daily for rational reasons. People die of easily treatable medical issues because it's rationalized that healthcare corporate profits are more important than human life. People die from unsafe products because manufacturers rationalize a few lawsuits or bribibg judges is more cost effective than making safer products.
I don't want to see killing mentally ill people rationalized. It has to go to bad places.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: KindaMeh on July 03, 2022, 12:48:50 PM
In Jeff's defense on this thread, while I don't love the personal attacks that get thrown in fights between you and folks like him on the board, much though I can appreciate the freedom of speech it illustrates...
No personal attacks were launched in this thread, and his posts were on topic.
I also kinda agree that the average Trump voter may not be as bad as you make them out to be. To say nothing of the right wing more generally.
Though I feel like the answer to the sick animal question may in part have to do with their status as human beings, and the idea that acting uninformed or misinformed and thereby causing damage is not necessarily evidence of moral wrongdoing so much as incompetence. Of which many are guilty in their beliefs, political or otherwise, and should not perhaps be killed for it despite the damage those beliefs can cause. Likewise, many believe that you shouldn't kill those who aren't actually malevolent or who seem "innocent" in their moral intentions. Not saying the defense always holds if a person's life is actively and imminently in danger, but I do get it.
I don't see jeffs posts, I blocked him as his posts were near invariably just shitthrowing. I just decided they likely were and replied in kind.
Edit: I did see his post you were quoting and saw he did not see human life as being of any innate worth. I wasn't surprised ,he comes off as a libertarian ayn rhand type who believes he is superior and would probably be hunting poor homeless people on horseback or from a helicopter if he could get away with it.
Maybe human life does have no value. The chinese government sure believes that, so millions of people are basically slave labor in factories from birth to death because their lives are valueless. Dissidents are murdered and their organs sold because the money means more than their lives.
Most people don't want to live in a world where human life has no value. Maybe libertarians with fantasies of being supermen like John Galt want to because they believe they'd be freer in that world, but most people don't want a world like that, so we have laws and religion thru human history. Neither have been perfect solutions but both relfect the desjere of most to have human lives matter. Edit.
I read a very strange sf novel long ago called 'the godwhale' (it was better than the title) that featured a society basically ran by a super AI that was under an inviolable, absolutely inviolable, command against killing people for any reason at all. Two people wondered about it and were told if the AI, which was more intelligent than humans, were allowed to kill even only extreme circumstances, it could use it's greater intelligence to rationalize and justify killing anyone or everyone. So it was hardwired against killing anyone ever period.
In America we have too much rationalized killing of people as is. Passively or actively America kills people daily for rational reasons. People die of easily treatable medical issues because it's rationalized that healthcare corporate profits are more important than human life. People die from unsafe products because manufacturers rationalize a few lawsuits or bribibg judges is more cost effective than making safer products.
I don't want to see killing mentally ill people rationalized. It has to go to bad places.
I don't 100% agree with you on everything you say here. (Ex: I don't believe in passive killing or killing by inaction or failure to save.) In fact I disagree with a bit of the specifics and even some of the overall premise.
But I acknowledge you have your heart in a decent place, and have firm principles even if they aren't my own. So I won't attempt to launch my own ideological blimp here so to speak.
Interesting book premise. May look into it. Does the AI become authoritarian in other ways and the setting distopian? Almost sounds like an autocratic technocrat being given all the power just due to intelligence and knowledge, if life is the only restriction.
Oh wow, in the godwhale (reff to a giant cybernetic whale meant to gather food from the ocean before the gfood chain utterly collapsed. ) the AI running the city was a minor character really, more background. The really important AIs were the rorqual maru (godwhale) and her companion AI, called iron trilobyte, which has been maintaining the maru for centuries after earths oceans died abd she was abandoned. Finally rorqual tells trilobyte to take most of her remaining power and search earth for anything that might be useful. Finding nothing in the oceans, it finally does what humans used to do, it prays for aid via it's high power transmitters.
And something responded, asking what was needed.
Months later life began re appearing in earth's sterile oceans. Was it a god or something else?
As for dystopian, oh man you ain't even CLOSE! ;D Soylent green meets brave new world meets mad max beyond thunderdome meets metropolis meets silent spring .... Get the idea?
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: KindaMeh on July 03, 2022, 12:48:50 PM
In Jeff's defense on this thread, while I don't love the personal attacks that get thrown in fights between you and folks like him on the board, much though I can appreciate the freedom of speech it illustrates...
No personal attacks were launched in this thread, and his posts were on topic.
I also kinda agree that the average Trump voter may not be as bad as you make them out to be. To say nothing of the right wing more generally.
Though I feel like the answer to the sick animal question may in part have to do with their status as human beings, and the idea that acting uninformed or misinformed and thereby causing damage is not necessarily evidence of moral wrongdoing so much as incompetence. Of which many are guilty in their beliefs, political or otherwise, and should not perhaps be killed for it despite the damage those beliefs can cause. Likewise, many believe that you shouldn't kill those who aren't actually malevolent or who seem "innocent" in their moral intentions. Not saying the defense always holds if a person's life is actively and imminently in danger, but I do get it.
I don't see jeffs posts, I blocked him as his posts were near invariably just shitthrowing. I just decided they likely were and replied in kind.
Edit: I did see his post you were quoting and saw he did not see human life as being of any innate worth. I wasn't surprised ,he comes off as a libertarian ayn rhand type who believes he is superior and would probably be hunting poor homeless people on horseback or from a helicopter if he could get away with it.
Nice to know that I am living rent free inside of your head. In your zeal to get another zinger in to satisfy your TDS, you have overlooked the fact that homelessness and the poverty that goes along with it is more of a mental health issue than anything else. Besides, if I had a helocopter, I'd be hunting ANTIFA and BLM leaders instead.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 01:15:17 PMMaybe human life does have no value. The chinese government sure believes that, so millions of people are basically slave labor in factories from birth to death because their lives are valueless. Dissidents are murdered and their organs sold because the money means more than their lives.
Most people don't want to live in a world where human life has no value. Maybe libertarians with fantasies of being supermen like John Galt want to because they believe they'd be freer in that world, but most people don't want a world like that, so we have laws and religion thru human history. Neither have been perfect solutions but both relfect the desjere of most to have human lives matter. Edit.
This is your TDS talking again. I hate to break it to you, but there are large populous nations which find human life to have no inherent value. The US is an exception, and taken advantage of because of it.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 01:15:17 PMI read a very strange sf novel long ago called 'the godwhale' (it was better than the title) that featured a society basically ran by a super AI that was under an inviolable, absolutely inviolable, command against killing people for any reason at all. Two people wondered about it and were told if the AI, which was more intelligent than humans, were allowed to kill even only extreme circumstances, it could use it's greater intelligence to rationalize and justify killing anyone or everyone. So it was hardwired against killing anyone ever period.
In America we have too much rationalized killing of people as is. Passively or actively America kills people daily for rational reasons. People die of easily treatable medical issues because it's rationalized that healthcare corporate profits are more important than human life. People die from unsafe products because manufacturers rationalize a few lawsuits or bribibg judges is more cost effective than making safer products.
Could you provide some examples of these human killing healthcare corporations in the US? Could you provide examples of people being killed by unsafe products that are still on the market in the US?
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 01:15:17 PMI don't want to see killing mentally ill people rationalized. It has to go to bad places.
Is criminal behavior a mental illness?
Quote from: jeff37923 on July 03, 2022, 02:21:16 PM
Could you provide some examples of these human killing healthcare corporations in the US?
Planned Parenthood.
https://www.poconorecord.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2022/03/24/opinion-insulin-is-too-expensive-and-its-a-matter-of-life-or-death/65346518007/
Insulin dealers.
Quote from: DocJones on July 03, 2022, 10:05:35 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on July 03, 2022, 02:21:16 PM
Could you provide some examples of these human killing healthcare corporations in the US?
Planned Parenthood.
Sigh. If only they'd gotten you. But apparently your brain was mostly miscarried. If it hadn't you might be smart enough not to believe the lies about planned parenthood.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on July 03, 2022, 11:10:24 AM
This is a common attempt to conflate every mental issue with people who are in fact murderously dangerous. You can be one and not the other. But if you have already killed someone, and it is because your brain is fucked up, I prefer to just send you to your maker.
Hmmmm, OK, ogg, if you're going to favor harsher penalties for seriously mentally ill people, the legendary 'ax wielding homicidal maniac' say, would you also favor harsher penalties for people who abuse or exploit mentally ill or impaired people?
In reality despite Hollywood's love affair with the insane criminal, people with mental illness are far more likely to be victimjzed by criminals.
So would you favor extra hard treatment of those who victimized the mentally ill?
If you take advantage of the mentally ill (and things like sexual abuse are extremely common) you should face the same level of punishment as child abusers, and abuses of a sexual nature IMO should be death. Sex abusers are horrific recidivists, and are one flavor of criminal that is more or less never going to reform. A person abusing the mentally ill in such a way is the same as a pedo, and should be executed.
The killer's next victim also has a right to live don't they?
There's a lot of mess to consider, including wrongful convictions. Are the judge, jury, prosecutor, arresting and investigation officers culpable and prosecutable and executable if they are later proven wrong? I think they should be. We've had too many bigoted asshats sending innocents to jail and even the chair over the years. Why should they be immune to the consequences of their actions.
Again, I don't think any government is deserving of the trust it would take to reasonably impose a death sentance.
There is a capital punishment I would like to see for some minor crimes. The perpetrator shall appear on television and be smacked upside the head and called "dumbass." I could get behind that.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 01:45:26 PM
Oh wow, in the godwhale (reff to a giant cybernetic whale meant to gather food from the ocean before the gfood chain utterly collapsed. ) the AI running the city was a minor character really, more background. The really important AIs were the rorqual maru (godwhale) and her companion AI, called iron trilobyte, which has been maintaining the maru for centuries after earths oceans died abd she was abandoned. Finally rorqual tells trilobyte to take most of her remaining power and search earth for anything that might be useful. Finding nothing in the oceans, it finally does what humans used to do, it prays for aid via it's high power transmitters.
And something responded, asking what was needed.
Months later life began re appearing in earth's sterile oceans. Was it a god or something else?
As for dystopian, oh man you ain't even CLOSE! ;D Soylent green meets brave new world meets mad max beyond thunderdome meets metropolis meets silent spring .... Get the idea?
Your twisted synopsis doesn't seem to match reality......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godwhale
Oggsmash, loved your take on crimes against the mentally ill.
David, sadly in murka the system is jot accountable for wrongs it does. A man in Missouri was in prison for like 43 years on a false conviction. A Missouri judge ruled he was not entitled to one single cent in compensation from the state.
Jeffy, you worthless blob of lubricant, fecal matter and semen produced by two pedophiles having anal sex with each other, I out of curiosity looked at your post. Someday I'll learn....
For your edification, I read godwhale many years ago when I was a kid. Maybe after so much time I might not have had all the facts right, but mostly I did. It's a pity your locality didn't enforce laws against close relatives breeding, or possibly beastiality. Then I wouldn't have to actively igborenyour pathetic snipes at every post I make.
Have you ever considered how much better the world would be without you? Hopefully some day you will fuck up abd accidentally talk to someone IRL the way you do to me on this board. I imagine your funeral would be quite cheap as your remains, after provoking someone that way, would likely fit in a mayonnaise jar, so no expensive coffin required.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 04, 2022, 08:45:24 PM
Jeffy, you worthless blob of lubricant, fecal matter and semen produced by two pedophiles having anal sex with each other, I out of curiosity looked at your post. Someday I'll learn....
No you won't. If you were capable of learning, you wouldn't be such a poster child for TDS.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 04, 2022, 08:45:24 PM
For your edification, I read godwhale many years ago when I was a kid. Maybe after so much time I might not have had all the facts right, but mostly I did. It's a pity your locality didn't enforce laws against close relatives breeding, or possibly beastiality. Then I wouldn't have to actively igborenyour pathetic snipes at every post I make.
So you admit to having a failing memory, but didn't bother to make sure you remembered the details correctly. Got it. Your ego outweighs your common sense.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 04, 2022, 08:45:24 PM
Have you ever considered how much better the world would be without you? Hopefully some day you will fuck up abd accidentally talk to someone IRL the way you do to me on this board. I imagine your funeral would be quite cheap as your remains, after provoking someone that way, would likely fit in a mayonnaise jar, so no expensive coffin required.
I'll give you a smidgen of truth. I have thought about it a lot because I am adopted. The circumstances of my actual birth has cause me quite a bit of soul searching. Instead of weakening me, like your beliefs have weakened you, they have given this agnostic occasional LeVeyan satanist quite a bit of strength to keep on going.
See, I talk like this to everyone I meet. Real life or not.
All you can do to end me is cry and pray to the ghost of Karl Marx that somebody else does what you will never be able to do.
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 11:20:25 PM
https://www.poconorecord.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2022/03/24/opinion-insulin-is-too-expensive-and-its-a-matter-of-life-or-death/65346518007/
Insulin dealers.
Canadians pay approximately $35+ per vial of insulin.
WalMart sells it in the USA at $24.88 per vial over the counter without a script.
If you have a script and insurance it is ~$12 a vial.
Corporate capitalism beats government socialism to solutions everytime.
This seems like it'd make a good Cthulhu scenario - whether Slenderman was real or not. You could be the crazy girls trying to take him down, or the investigators looking for the crazy cultists trying to make the girls into his victim, lots of possibilities.
Quote from: DocJones on July 05, 2022, 01:09:27 PM
Quote from: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 11:20:25 PM
https://www.poconorecord.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2022/03/24/opinion-insulin-is-too-expensive-and-its-a-matter-of-life-or-death/65346518007/
Insulin dealers.
Canadians pay approximately $35+ per vial of insulin.
WalMart sells it in the USA at $24.88 per vial over the counter without a script.
If you have a script and insurance it is ~$12 a vial.
Corporate capitalism beats government socialism to solutions everytime.
Is that a 10ml or 3ml vial?
Quote from: Shasarak on July 06, 2022, 05:51:31 AM
Quote from: DocJones on July 05, 2022, 01:09:27 PM
Canadians pay approximately $35+ per vial of insulin.
WalMart sells it in the USA at $24.88 per vial over the counter without a script.
If you have a script and insurance it is ~$12 a vial.
Corporate capitalism beats government socialism to solutions everytime.
Is that a 10ml or 3ml vial?
I'd add, is that the same insulin formulation? I am not a doctor, but my understanding is that the Walmart Novolog brand is human insulin, which is different from analog insulin which is more commonly prescribed. From the Walmart promotion page,
https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/2021/06/29/walmart-revolutionizes-insulin-access-affordability-for-patients-with-diabetes-with-the-launch-of-the-first-and-only-private-brand-analog-insulin
Walmart analog insulin is available at $72.88 per vial, not $24.88. I don't see a clear sales of $24.88 on Walmart's store pages, but I see discussion of it as human insulin, like this discussion of Walmart's offering:
https://theconversation.com/why-telling-people-with-diabetes-to-use-walmart-insulin-can-be-dangerous-advice-125528
and more general discussion of human vs analog insulin:
https://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes/human-insulin
In general, when comparing the exact same drug formulations, they are available in other countries (like Canada) more cheaply. That's been true for drugs across the board. Prescriptions do vary from country to country, but in general, U.S. customers pay much more for prescription drugs compared to other First World countries.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/how-do-prescription-drug-costs-in-the-united-states-compare-to-other-countries/
Quote from: jhkim on July 06, 2022, 06:22:58 PM
I'd add, is that the same insulin formulation? I am not a doctor, but my understanding is that the Walmart Novolog brand is human insulin, which is different from analog insulin which is more commonly prescribed. From the Walmart promotion page,
No, the human insulin is Novolin brand and is 24.88 and is OTC.
Novolog brand is the analog insulin which is $72.88 and requires a script .
Quote from: jhkim on July 06, 2022, 06:22:58 PM
https://theconversation.com/why-telling-people-with-diabetes-to-use-walmart-insulin-can-be-dangerous-advice-125528
This is clearly an outlier and is about someone who was quite negligent in their own self care.
Not the fault of the insulin at all. The danger in both human and analog insulin has always been low blood sugar.
Human insulin has been used by Type I and II diabetics well before analog insulin was on the market in 1998.
This chart is the difference roughly betwen human and analog:
Analog R - black; Human R - blue ; Human N - purple ; Analog N - red or green
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.2BOeV3DTu6t4JJxJq-WsjwHaC_%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
One just has to change the timing and dosage when moving from one type to another.
Quote from: DocJones on July 06, 2022, 07:08:31 PM
Quote from: jhkim on July 06, 2022, 06:22:58 PM
I'd add, is that the same insulin formulation? I am not a doctor, but my understanding is that the Walmart Novolog brand is human insulin, which is different from analog insulin which is more commonly prescribed. From the Walmart promotion page,
No, the human insulin is Novolin brand and is 24.88 and is OTC.
Novolog brand is the analog insulin which is $72.88 and requires a script .
Thanks for the correction. I did mix up Novolog vs Novolin. And I have no opinion or argument about human insulin vs analog. My issue was over price comparison, because I've know a bunch of people who buy drugs in other countries because they say they're cheaper there. With insulin, I just want to check that we're comparing apples to apples. Is the Canadian price you quoted for human insulin (comparable to Novolin) or analog insulin (comparable to Novolog)? What I see in this article, for example, says:
QuoteA standard vial of the NovoRapid insulin pictured below costs C$37 at Shoppers Drug Mart located in Toronto.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5249662/americans-driving-canada-insulin-prices/
My understanding is that NovoRapid is the Canadian brand name for Novolog. So that should be compared to $72.88 at U.S. Walmart for the same thing.
Quote from: DocJones on July 06, 2022, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on July 06, 2022, 05:51:31 AM
Is that a 10ml or 3ml vial?
10ml
I guess it depends on the brand but here in NZ you would pay about $36 Jacinda bucks for 10ml of Isophane insulin (Protaphane) so about $22 Biden bucks.
Insulin aspart (Novorapid) would go for $60 Jacinda Bucks ($38 Biden bucks)
But realistically, with our socialist healthcare system, you would pay between $0 to $5 in cash for a 3 month script and the rest via your taxes.
It's a very bad idea to get the government involved in killing people for WHATEVER reasons because humans are really good at finding reasons to have the government kill people they don't like.
As for Slenderman, he's a great Mythos villain.
As for the two chicks, if they're done being crazy, they can go to regular prison for the rest of their sentences.
Has anyone used Slenderman in a game?
QuoteIf they are deadly dangerous to others, it is not. Morally disgusting is letting them stay around....and then act shocked when they kill some innocent person. So spare me the moral outrage.
That's why we have institutions for this.
QuoteWhy?
We put down rabid animals, don't we?
We also put down perfectly healthy animals - so therefore making a tasty goulash out of Jeff, seems to be moral and culinary satisfying endeavour.
Comparing people to animals has it's significant problems - unless you are willing in TurboSignerian way go all the way down. And be eaten fully legally :P