Reconciliation

[Mistwell]

Misty's willful blindness to the blatancy of FTX as Democrat money-laundering vehicle in Ukraine is hilarious.

The whole point of foreign adventures is to facilitate money-laundering. That's what the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were really about, keeping the gravy train going as long as possible.

I mean it's so blatant there isn't a scintilla of evidence behind it!

Cue "Of course we can't prove it, they're hiding the evidence, which is proof it happened!" nonsense type circular response.

It's "FTX gave money to Dems" and "FTX connected to Ukraine" (nevermind the vagueness there right?) and "Dems [and GOP and many other nations] gave money to Ukraine" with zero evidence of "Money Dems [and many others] gave to Ukraine is money that went to FTX is the money that went to Dems" other than "It makes total sense so that must be what happened right?!" Nevermind that FTX is connected to many other sources, and gave money to many other sources, and those all also have no evidence of a connection, but let's not talk about any of those because they don't further the agenda of our conspiracy theory.

You're as pathetic as the leftists who made this same sort of connection between Russian and Trump early on. X is connected to Y is connected to Z therefore it must be X = Z and we don't need to prove the actual connections between it all because it furthers the agenda.

[Ghostmaker]

Take your bullshit over to TBP, Misty. It'll play better there.

[squirewaldo]

Misty's willful blindness to the blatancy of FTX as Democrat money-laundering vehicle in Ukraine is hilarious.

The whole point of foreign adventures is to facilitate money-laundering. That's what the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were really about, keeping the gravy train going as long as possible.

...there isn't a scintilla of evidence behind it!

Really!!??? You are either lying or sticking your head in the sand so deep that you will never pull it out.

[Thor's Nads]

I mean it's so blatant there isn't a scintilla of evidence behind it!
It's "FTX gave money to Dems" and "FTX connected to Ukraine" (nevermind the vagueness there right?) and "Dems [and GOP and many other nations] gave money to Ukraine" with zero evidence...

You're as pathetic as the leftists who made this same sort of connection between Russian and Trump early on. X is connected to Y is connected to Z therefore it must be X = Z and we don't need to prove the actual connections between it all because it furthers the agenda.

You might want to take some solid advice that holds true today because it is a universal truth.

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane" - Marcus Aurelius

The communist Democrat party has long been the ranks of the insane.

[Thor's Nads]

Take your bullshit over to TBP, Misty. It'll play better there.

No, I think it is quite entertaining actually. Because the statements Misty has been making are so insane.

[jhkim]

As I understand it, the claim is this.

When you have the communist Demonrat party funneling billions to Ukraine. Then Ukraine spends a chunk of that money on FTX. And FTX then funds Demonrat campaigns, it's a little hard to counter that.

I don't know if it is counter to that - but about 75% of Republicans also voted in favor of the Ukraine aid packages. And Republicans also received many millions in donations from former FTX executive Ryan Salame, who was one of their top donors.

There are dozens of executives from many corporations who donate millions to both Democrats and Republicans. I don't like that - but it is legal, especially because of the Supreme Court's Citizen's United decision - which was backed by the conservative justices. I don't even strongly disagree with Citizen's United. Trying to limit billionaire's power by donation limits isn't feasible. There is a problem in how much power billionaire's have - but the solution isn't spending limits, which can easily be circumvented. The problem is in how most of those people got their billions, because of pro-corporate laws.

The key evidence would be to show whether Ukraine gave money to FTX as kickbacks.

The question on my mind is, which Congress members have been pushing to restrict and rein in cryptocurrencies and/or corporate donations? That's who I would prefer to support, regardless of what Ukraine did with the money.

[Thor's Nads]

As I understand it, the claim is this.

When you have the communist Demonrat party funneling billions to Ukraine. Then Ukraine spends a chunk of that money on FTX. And FTX then funds Demonrat campaigns, it's a little hard to counter that.

I don't know if it is counter to that - but about 75% of Republicans also voted in favor of the Ukraine aid packages. And Republicans also received many millions in donations from former FTX executive Ryan Salame, who was one of their top donors.

There are dozens of executives from many corporations who donate millions to both Democrats and Republicans. I don't like that - but it is legal, especially because of the Supreme Court's Citizen's United decision - which was backed by the conservative justices. I don't even strongly disagree with Citizen's United. Trying to limit billionaire's power by donation limits isn't feasible. There is a problem in how much power billionaire's have - but the solution isn't spending limits, which can easily be circumvented. The problem is in how most of those people got their billions, because of pro-corporate laws.

The key evidence would be to show whether Ukraine gave money to FTX as kickbacks.

The question on my mind is, which Congress members have been pushing to restrict and rein in cryptocurrencies and/or corporate donations? That's who I would prefer to support, regardless of what Ukraine did with the money.

Hold the presses! You mean they are a uni-party and they are ALL in on it??? I never could have guessed. Nevermind that the overwhelming amount of donations went to the Dems.

And corporations choosing to give their own money to parties...you can't see how that is different from sending billions of taxpayer money in aid and then getting that back in a roundabout way in campaign donations?

[Chris24601]

As I understand it, the claim is this.

When you have the communist Demonrat party funneling billions to Ukraine. Then Ukraine spends a chunk of that money on FTX. And FTX then funds Demonrat campaigns, it's a little hard to counter that.

I don't know if it is counter to that - but about 75% of Republicans also voted in favor of the Ukraine aid packages. And Republicans also received many millions in donations from former FTX executive Ryan Salame, who was one of their top donors.

There are dozens of executives from many corporations who donate millions to both Democrats and Republicans. I don't like that - but it is legal, especially because of the Supreme Court's Citizen's United decision - which was backed by the conservative justices. I don't even strongly disagree with Citizen's United. Trying to limit billionaire's power by donation limits isn't feasible. There is a problem in how much power billionaire's have - but the solution isn't spending limits, which can easily be circumvented. The problem is in how most of those people got their billions, because of pro-corporate laws.

The key evidence would be to show whether Ukraine gave money to FTX as kickbacks.

The question on my mind is, which Congress members have been pushing to restrict and rein in cryptocurrencies and/or corporate donations? That's who I would prefer to support, regardless of what Ukraine did with the money.

Hold the presses! You mean they are a uni-party and they are ALL in on it??? I never could have guessed. Nevermind that the overwhelming amount of donations went to the Dems.

And corporations choosing to give their own money to parties...you can't see how that is different from sending billions of taxpayer money in aid and then getting that back in a roundabout way in campaign donations?

No, they can't. Because a huge part of being a Leftist is having to pretend not to know things. They must pretend they don't understand cause and effort, pretend to not see the rampant corruption of the institutions they support, pretend all the media gaslighting is true, pretend to actually care for the people being devastated by the policies the Left supports.

The best of them are just rubes who really believe it. The worst wield their feigned ignorance as a weapon against those who oppose them. When the people who just want to be left alone finally snap it won't matter which is which; once the people who want to be left alone are forced to murder the person they were to become the person needed to protect their loved ones they will cut both types down with the wrath only those who only wanted to be kind and just can know. The Left will beg for mercy, but it will be too late.

The funniest part? If they'd just stop committing treason and trying to force themselves upon us, we'd let them go. But they're too stupid to stop. History keeps rhyming because they're always too stupid to stop.

[Mistwell]

I mean it's so blatant there isn't a scintilla of evidence behind it!
It's "FTX gave money to Dems" and "FTX connected to Ukraine" (nevermind the vagueness there right?) and "Dems [and GOP and many other nations] gave money to Ukraine" with zero evidence...

You're as pathetic as the leftists who made this same sort of connection between Russian and Trump early on. X is connected to Y is connected to Z therefore it must be X = Z and we don't need to prove the actual connections between it all because it furthers the agenda.

You might want to take some solid advice that holds true today because it is a universal truth.

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane" - Marcus Aurelius

The communist Democrat party has long been the ranks of the insane.

There are crazies in the Dems and crazies in the Reps. I am No Party Preference and vote based on each candidate and not their party.

[Mistwell]

Take your bullshit over to TBP, Misty. It'll play better there.

No, they suck and I've never posted there beyond like maybe 5 posts. People here are at least honest with what they think. Much like I can be honest with what I think here without fear of being banned for wrongthink.

But I am not surprised you don't want to hear dissent. I mean, how dare I point out there is zero evidence to support your conspiracy theory, right?

[squirewaldo]

Take your bullshit over to TBP, Misty. It'll play better there.

No, they suck and I've never posted there beyond like maybe 5 posts. People here are at least honest with what they think. Much like I can be honest with what I think here without fear of being banned for wrongthink.

But I am not surprised you don't want to hear dissent. I mean, how dare I point out there is zero evidence to support your conspiracy theory, right?

Again, with the zero evidence BS. If you close your eyes, put a bag on your head, stuff cotton in your ears, and yell NANANANANANANANA! I guess you may be able to avoid seeing or hearing the evidence. Like most people we see only what we want to see, hear only what we want to hear, and thus believe only what we want to believe. Even when the most casual observation would indicate it is all lies.

[Mistwell]

Take your bullshit over to TBP, Misty. It'll play better there.

No, they suck and I've never posted there beyond like maybe 5 posts. People here are at least honest with what they think. Much like I can be honest with what I think here without fear of being banned for wrongthink.

But I am not surprised you don't want to hear dissent. I mean, how dare I point out there is zero evidence to support your conspiracy theory, right?

Again, with the zero evidence BS. If you close your eyes, put a bag on your head, stuff cotton in your ears, and yell NANANANANANANANA! I guess you may be able to avoid seeing or hearing the evidence. Like most people we see only what we want to see, hear only what we want to hear, and thus believe only what we want to believe. Even when the most casual observation would indicate it is all lies.

You are welcome to post that evidence. This is what, the fourth time I've asked for it? There isn't any. There is a series of unrelated facts, and then people who connect those facts with zero evidence supporting the claim they are actually connected. And every time I point that out people make it personal to me and "forget" to post any of that evidence. Because there isn't any. It's all a conspiracy theory which only works if you squint and don't ask any hard questions about it.

I even got the "You will see when it all comes out" response once. Unironically.

[Trond]

Merry Christmas everyone! Try not to get to bitter here 😄

[jhkim]

Merry Christmas everyone! Try not to get to bitter here 😄

Merry Christmas to you too, Trond. And to thornad and chris24601 and everyone else. I hope everyone has family and/or friends to share the holidays with.

[Thor's Nads]

Yes, Merry Christmas to everyone here and their family.

Though I use hyperbolic language at times to emphasize certain points, in real life I'm mellow and moderate tilted right. And don't take anything online personal.