Reconciliation

[squirewaldo]

Yeah, we've been 'compromising' on gun control for decades and it hasn't really worked out well.

Sorry, no compromise. Stop fucking with us.

You don't reconcile with a spouse that's hitting you. The abusive party has to show signs of genuine change and remorse before such a process could even possibly begin (if it's possible at all).

The OP wants to know when the spouse who's been punched in the face for decades is going to reconcile with the one trying to choke the very life out them and the abused spouse only wants to get their abuser's hands off their throat. How uncivilized that we won't let them choke us out as the abuser wants to.

The OP is that self-righteous church lady who berates battered wives for leaving their husbands because of the scandal it provokes. Those people are second only to the abusers themselves in terms of the lowest forms of life.

I agree with how difficult and pointless 'reconciliation' can be at times. One of the common results of marriage counseling is the realization that the couple are incompatible, and need to separate.

I don't think reconciliation should a societal goal. Toleration and patience should be the goal. Live and let live. That was the spirit on which the USA was founded and we need to return to that in order to survive as a nation.

[Trond]

Yeah, we've been 'compromising' on gun control for decades and it hasn't really worked out well.

Sorry, no compromise. Stop fucking with us.

You don't reconcile with a spouse that's hitting you. The abusive party has to show signs of genuine change and remorse before such a process could even possibly begin (if it's possible at all).

The OP wants to know when the spouse who's been punched in the face for decades is going to reconcile with the one trying to choke the very life out them and the abused spouse only wants to get their abuser's hands off their throat. How uncivilized that we won't let them choke us out as the abuser wants to.

The OP is that self-righteous church lady who berates battered wives for leaving their husbands because of the scandal it provokes. Those people are second only to the abusers themselves in terms of the lowest forms of life.

I agree with how difficult and pointless 'reconciliation' can be at times. One of the common results of marriage counseling is the realization that the couple are incompatible, and need to separate.

I don't think reconciliation should a societal goal. Toleration and patience should be the goal. Live and let live. That was the spirit on which the USA was founded and we need to return to that in order to survive as a nation.

Sure, "reconciliation" might not be the most accurate way of putting it for society as a whole, although it might be necessary on a personal level in many cases. Families split apart for instance. Some SJWs are just stupid teenagers doing stupid teenager stuff.

[squirewaldo]

Yeah, we've been 'compromising' on gun control for decades and it hasn't really worked out well.

Sorry, no compromise. Stop fucking with us.

You don't reconcile with a spouse that's hitting you. The abusive party has to show signs of genuine change and remorse before such a process could even possibly begin (if it's possible at all). Some SJWs are just stupid teenagers doing stupid teenager stuff.

The OP wants to know when the spouse who's been punched in the face for decades is going to reconcile with the one trying to choke the very life out them and the abused spouse only wants to get their abuser's hands off their throat. How uncivilized that we won't let them choke us out as the abuser wants to.

The OP is that self-righteous church lady who berates battered wives for leaving their husbands because of the scandal it provokes. Those people are second only to the abusers themselves in terms of the lowest forms of life.

I agree with how difficult and pointless 'reconciliation' can be at times. One of the common results of marriage counseling is the realization that the couple are incompatible, and need to separate.

I don't think reconciliation should a societal goal. Toleration and patience should be the goal. Live and let live. That was the spirit on which the USA was founded and we need to return to that in order to survive as a nation.

Sure, "reconciliation" might not be the most accurate way of putting it for society as a whole, although it might be necessary on a personal level in many cases. Families split apart for instance.

I am trying to be diplomatic, but I agree that reconciliation may not be the 'most accurate way of putting it' but it is counter-productive IMHO. We don't have to live together happily. We don't have to agree with each other about everything. We don't have to give a shit about each other. We don't have to like each other! Maybe, we need to get back to living our lives as we see fit, and leaving other people alone so that they can do the same? And maybe that will also require occasionally moving to places that are more compatible with our ideas? We are not trees.

[Chris24601]

Yeah, we've been 'compromising' on gun control for decades and it hasn't really worked out well.

Sorry, no compromise. Stop fucking with us.

You don't reconcile with a spouse that's hitting you. The abusive party has to show signs of genuine change and remorse before such a process could even possibly begin (if it's possible at all).

The OP wants to know when the spouse who's been punched in the face for decades is going to reconcile with the one trying to choke the very life out them and the abused spouse only wants to get their abuser's hands off their throat. How uncivilized that we won't let them choke us out as the abuser wants to.

The OP is that self-righteous church lady who berates battered wives for leaving their husbands because of the scandal it provokes. Those people are second only to the abusers themselves in terms of the lowest forms of life.

So your "solution" is.....societal collapse, like you alluded to once here?

Or that moderates like Tulsi Gabbard realign themselves politically, like you also said, and seems  completely reasonable to me? I like her btw. This is of course not going to last forever though, maybe Tulsi will stay but others, hopefully moderates, will fill her gap on the left. Politics tend to go that way and that's fine.

Maybe stop posting when you're having one of your bipolar episodes?

What do you think a divorce is if not a microscale societal collapse (of a family)?

Like I said, you're the fucking self-righteous church lady who's butthurt the battered wife is making a scene because she's no longer interested in being choked out by her abusive husband.

Fuck your self-righteous foreign ass. If you think people should put up with being abused just so you can pretend the community isn't a hellscape, then go back to your own abusive spouse/government you fled to come here.

I'll reconcile with Tulsi. She's admitted the group she was part of was engaged in actual harm against the people of this country and left them behind.

But lest you think this simply a party thing; I also want the "Three Micks" (the absusers at the head of the Republican Party) being run out on rails as the abusive traitors they are.

This isn't left/right... it's the crony establishment against the people they want to be their serfs. The intended serfs are mostly reconciled already... it's the self-appointed elites who neither grant nor deserve mercy.

[Ghostmaker]

Yeah, we've been 'compromising' on gun control for decades and it hasn't really worked out well.

Sorry, no compromise. Stop fucking with us.

You don't reconcile with a spouse that's hitting you. The abusive party has to show signs of genuine change and remorse before such a process could even possibly begin (if it's possible at all).

The OP wants to know when the spouse who's been punched in the face for decades is going to reconcile with the one trying to choke the very life out them and the abused spouse only wants to get their abuser's hands off their throat. How uncivilized that we won't let them choke us out as the abuser wants to.

The OP is that self-righteous church lady who berates battered wives for leaving their husbands because of the scandal it provokes. Those people are second only to the abusers themselves in terms of the lowest forms of life.

So your "solution" is.....societal collapse, like you alluded to once here?

Or that moderates like Tulsi Gabbard realign themselves politically, like you also said, and seems  completely reasonable to me? I like her btw. This is of course not going to last forever though, maybe Tulsi will stay but others, hopefully moderates, will fill her gap on the left. Politics tend to go that way and that's fine.

Maybe stop posting when you're having one of your bipolar episodes?

If your society is so sick that it demands people be defenseless in the face of violence and criminal action, then it deserves to die.

[Chris24601]

Yeah, we've been 'compromising' on gun control for decades and it hasn't really worked out well.

Sorry, no compromise. Stop fucking with us.

You don't reconcile with a spouse that's hitting you. The abusive party has to show signs of genuine change and remorse before such a process could even possibly begin (if it's possible at all).

The OP wants to know when the spouse who's been punched in the face for decades is going to reconcile with the one trying to choke the very life out them and the abused spouse only wants to get their abuser's hands off their throat. How uncivilized that we won't let them choke us out as the abuser wants to.

The OP is that self-righteous church lady who berates battered wives for leaving their husbands because of the scandal it provokes. Those people are second only to the abusers themselves in terms of the lowest forms of life.

So your "solution" is.....societal collapse, like you alluded to once here?

Or that moderates like Tulsi Gabbard realign themselves politically, like you also said, and seems  completely reasonable to me? I like her btw. This is of course not going to last forever though, maybe Tulsi will stay but others, hopefully moderates, will fill her gap on the left. Politics tend to go that way and that's fine.

Maybe stop posting when you're having one of your bipolar episodes?

If your society is so sick that it demands people be defenseless in the face of violence and criminal action, then it deserves to die.

Indeed, the fundamental mistake being made by Trond and his ilk is that the modern Left is somehow a reasonably slightly left of centrist ideology and not a fringe extremist pro-terror organization against the vast middle and right they, through their control of the media have lumped into a single opposing faction because they're sitting the political right of Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and the other mass murdering psychos of history.

What needs to happen is for the fringe extremist faction to be utterly destroyed so the vast middle can finally form two genuine parties of the old style... where you mostly agreed on the destination, just disagreed over the best methods to achieve them.

You can destroy all the hundred or so genuine rightwing extremists while you're at it too... the micro-faction supported entirely off the rantings of the fringe left in need of Boogey Men to campaign against (seriously, there are more genuine flat-Earthers than actual white supremacists in the United States). Every mass shooting event the media gets its hopes up only for it to end up being some raging leftist or a lunatic off his pills that the FBI had been warned about for years but did nothing about.

[Zelen]

A "center" defined by an extremist regime through regime-media propaganda is obviously inherently invalid. These extremists manufacture a crisis, propose a solution, and move people toward their desired outcome in whole or in part. As long as your conversation is wholly defined by the parameters that these extremists have set, you can't escape a continual escalation.

[I]

I'm still waiting for one of these centrists to give me an example of the last time Leftists ever actually compromised with anybody.  I mean REAL compromise (I give a little, you give a little), not their definition of compromise, which is "everything will go my way and you will shut up and sit down and like it."

[Mistwell]

I'm still waiting for one of these centrists to give me an example of the last time Leftists ever actually compromised with anybody.  I mean REAL compromise (I give a little, you give a little), not their definition of compromise, which is "everything will go my way and you will shut up and sit down and like it."

The Democratic party has lots of centrists. Most of their progressives have not been doing so good.
The Republican party now has more centrists. Most of their Trumpers have not been doing so good.

The "leftists" whoa are the progressives will not compromise anymore than the Trumpers will compromise. The rest however are compromising with each other.

And I know, from the perspective of a Trumper everyone who isn't a Trumper is a leftist or RINO. Much like form the perspective of a progressive anyone who isn't a progressive is a Trumper or a DINO. Which is why you think everyone either thinks like you or is a leftist or traitor or whatever. Your view of politics itself has more in common with a progressive than with a moderate Republican or moderate Democrat. Extremists are similar to Extremists on certain ways of viewing things.

[jeff37923]

I'm still waiting for one of these centrists to give me an example of the last time Leftists ever actually compromised with anybody.  I mean REAL compromise (I give a little, you give a little), not their definition of compromise, which is "everything will go my way and you will shut up and sit down and like it."

The Democratic party has lots of centrists. Most of their progressives have not been doing so good.
The Republican party now has more centrists. Most of their Trumpers have not been doing so good.

The "leftists" whoa are the progressives will not compromise anymore than the Trumpers will compromise. The rest however are compromising with each other.

And I know, from the perspective of a Trumper everyone who isn't a Trumper is a leftist or RINO. Much like form the perspective of a progressive anyone who isn't a progressive is a Trumper or a DINO. Which is why you think everyone either thinks like you or is a leftist or traitor or whatever. Your view of politics itself has more in common with a progressive than with a moderate Republican or moderate Democrat. Extremists are similar to Extremists on certain ways of viewing things.

Attempted gaslighting, again. 20 yard penalty. Surrender the ball to the opposite team. First down.

[3catcircus]

I'm still waiting for one of these centrists to give me an example of the last time Leftists ever actually compromised with anybody.  I mean REAL compromise (I give a little, you give a little), not their definition of compromise, which is "everything will go my way and you will shut up and sit down and like it."

This never happens because everyone who isn't a leftist was raised with manners and politeness which gets in the way of their understanding of how leftists think.

The only way to get leftists to start compromising is to start *not* compromising and to hold leftists 100% accountable for their bad behavior. 

That it took an immigrant to buy a crime scene and start holding leftists accountable by suspending their Twitter accounts for doxing (and trying to get cute by claiming they only posted links) is proof that western society is way too soft.  There should be *universal* outrage that Twitter was censoring speech at the request of the FBI.  Similarly for their refusal to stop antifa while simultaneously enabling J6 and Whitmer when those things never could have happened without the FBI actually instigating them.  Likewise when cops arrest parents for daring to question sexualizing of children.

I'm not particularly religious (pretty much not at all) yet I can easily see that those of faith could see the current situation as the end of days.

Our *entire* western society is irretrievably compromised, regardless of which nation you live in.  We need a 100% societal reset that includes the elimination of globalists, leftists, and marxists - whether I'm government, industry, or elsewhere.

[jhkim]

Indeed, the fundamental mistake being made by Trond and his ilk is that the modern Left is somehow a reasonably slightly left of centrist ideology and not a fringe extremist pro-terror organization against the vast middle and right they, through their control of the media have lumped into a single opposing faction because they're sitting the political right of Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and the other mass murdering psychos of history.

What needs to happen is for the fringe extremist faction to be utterly destroyed so the vast middle can finally form two genuine parties of the old style... where you mostly agreed on the destination, just disagreed over the best methods to achieve them.

I don't agree there was a generic "old style" where the destination was agreed on. There have been less contentious periods in American history than now, when people were closer to agreement. However, there have also been more contentious periods, like the Civil War period or the 1960s.

I don't think that in the 1960s the segregationists and the anti-segregationists agreed on the destination. They were more fundamentally opposed. Likewise, the unions and socialists were fundamentally opposed to the radical anti-communists like McCarthy.

After the 1960s, the more radical leftists as exemplified by the Black Panther party and the Weather Underground lost influence. On the other hand, the segregationists also lost influence - and more radical anti-communist figures like McCarthy and Nixon lost influence. I'm not sure one can say they were "utterly destroyed". I'm not sure what you mean by those.

[Mistwell]

I'm still waiting for one of these centrists to give me an example of the last time Leftists ever actually compromised with anybody.  I mean REAL compromise (I give a little, you give a little), not their definition of compromise, which is "everything will go my way and you will shut up and sit down and like it."

The Democratic party has lots of centrists. Most of their progressives have not been doing so good.
The Republican party now has more centrists. Most of their Trumpers have not been doing so good.

The "leftists" whoa are the progressives will not compromise anymore than the Trumpers will compromise. The rest however are compromising with each other.

And I know, from the perspective of a Trumper everyone who isn't a Trumper is a leftist or RINO. Much like form the perspective of a progressive anyone who isn't a progressive is a Trumper or a DINO. Which is why you think everyone either thinks like you or is a leftist or traitor or whatever. Your view of politics itself has more in common with a progressive than with a moderate Republican or moderate Democrat. Extremists are similar to Extremists on certain ways of viewing things.

Attempted gaslighting, again. 20 yard penalty. Surrender the ball to the opposite team. First down.

It's not an attempt and it's not subtle. You are fucking crazy Jeff I still love you despite your obvious insanity.

[jeff37923]

I'm still waiting for one of these centrists to give me an example of the last time Leftists ever actually compromised with anybody.  I mean REAL compromise (I give a little, you give a little), not their definition of compromise, which is "everything will go my way and you will shut up and sit down and like it."

The Democratic party has lots of centrists. Most of their progressives have not been doing so good.
The Republican party now has more centrists. Most of their Trumpers have not been doing so good.

The "leftists" whoa are the progressives will not compromise anymore than the Trumpers will compromise. The rest however are compromising with each other.

And I know, from the perspective of a Trumper everyone who isn't a Trumper is a leftist or RINO. Much like form the perspective of a progressive anyone who isn't a progressive is a Trumper or a DINO. Which is why you think everyone either thinks like you or is a leftist or traitor or whatever. Your view of politics itself has more in common with a progressive than with a moderate Republican or moderate Democrat. Extremists are similar to Extremists on certain ways of viewing things.

Attempted gaslighting, again. 20 yard penalty. Surrender the ball to the opposite team. First down.

It's not an attempt and it's not subtle. You are fucking crazy Jeff I still love you despite your obvious insanity.

You post shit like this and then say that you aren't trying to gaslight people into believing your lies.

The Democratic party has lots of centrists. Most of their progressives have not been doing so good.
The Republican party now has more centrists. Most of their Trumpers have not been doing so good.

The "leftists" whoa are the progressives will not compromise anymore than the Trumpers will compromise. The rest however are compromising with each other.

And I know, from the perspective of a Trumper everyone who isn't a Trumper is a leftist or RINO. Much like form the perspective of a progressive anyone who isn't a progressive is a Trumper or a DINO. Which is why you think everyone either thinks like you or is a leftist or traitor or whatever. Your view of politics itself has more in common with a progressive than with a moderate Republican or moderate Democrat. Extremists are similar to Extremists on certain ways of viewing things.

This is just more of the same schtick you always pull.

[Mistwell]

I'm still waiting for one of these centrists to give me an example of the last time Leftists ever actually compromised with anybody.  I mean REAL compromise (I give a little, you give a little), not their definition of compromise, which is "everything will go my way and you will shut up and sit down and like it."

The Democratic party has lots of centrists. Most of their progressives have not been doing so good.
The Republican party now has more centrists. Most of their Trumpers have not been doing so good.

The "leftists" whoa are the progressives will not compromise anymore than the Trumpers will compromise. The rest however are compromising with each other.

And I know, from the perspective of a Trumper everyone who isn't a Trumper is a leftist or RINO. Much like form the perspective of a progressive anyone who isn't a progressive is a Trumper or a DINO. Which is why you think everyone either thinks like you or is a leftist or traitor or whatever. Your view of politics itself has more in common with a progressive than with a moderate Republican or moderate Democrat. Extremists are similar to Extremists on certain ways of viewing things.

Attempted gaslighting, again. 20 yard penalty. Surrender the ball to the opposite team. First down.

It's not an attempt and it's not subtle. You are fucking crazy Jeff I still love you despite your obvious insanity.

You post shit like this and then say that you aren't trying to gaslight people into believing your lies.

The Democratic party has lots of centrists. Most of their progressives have not been doing so good.
The Republican party now has more centrists. Most of their Trumpers have not been doing so good.

The "leftists" whoa are the progressives will not compromise anymore than the Trumpers will compromise. The rest however are compromising with each other.

And I know, from the perspective of a Trumper everyone who isn't a Trumper is a leftist or RINO. Much like form the perspective of a progressive anyone who isn't a progressive is a Trumper or a DINO. Which is why you think everyone either thinks like you or is a leftist or traitor or whatever. Your view of politics itself has more in common with a progressive than with a moderate Republican or moderate Democrat. Extremists are similar to Extremists on certain ways of viewing things.

This is just more of the same schtick you always pull.

Yes Jeff, it is. My schtick is telling hard truths. I am in fact pulling it again. You caught me. I am once again honestly saying you're nuts and that the extremes of each party are gradually losing power while the moderates of each party are stating to compromise with each other. And that you are a bit nuts, but I love you and your nutty perspective anyway (though mostly because you're a true blue game).

I am not even sure what part of that bothers you? Is it that I am calling you nuts, or that I love you despite you being nuts? What's the part of that triggering you here?