Reconciliation

[Bruwulf]

As for your commentary, yes, I agree. Those terms are acceptable. Increasingly, the country needs to be cleansed if the Republic is to even have a chance at survival and potential recovery. Our unique American civilization itself is threatened by these degenerates.

See, that's where I get off the train, when we start talking about purging the "degenerates". Because that's a nice little ambiguous word that doesn't specifically mean very much, specifically, doesn't mean the same thing to everyone who uses it, and, bluntly, I have no interest in being purged. Because I know to many people the fact I'm gay makes me a degenerate. No matter how much I stand up against the excesses of the so-called "gay culture", no matter how much I refuse to be a part of that culture, no matter how much I've been 'disowned' time and time again by that culture... including by a few high-profile TBP posters back when I used to post there, being decried as "heteronormative" and a sellout and a traitor... no matter any of that, I know I'm still viewed as a degenerate for not wanting to crawl in the ovens, or at best go back to hiding and fearing for my life and career lest anyone find out.

[Brad]

Greetings!

BRAD!!!! Wecome back, my friend! It is very good to see you again! More than a few members here have missed you!

I hope you and your family are good, and that you enjoyed Thanksgiving!

As for your commentary, yes, I agree. Those terms are acceptable. Increasingly, the country needs to be cleansed if the Republic is to even have a chance at survival and potential recovery. Our unique American civilization itself is threatened by these degenerates.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Yeah, as stated somewhere else self-imposed hiatus so I could finish up my dissertation and graduate. I think I'm officially done with school forever...

So what you're saying is that we've lost and will continue to lose because you've given up?  Because you don't have the stones to keep fighting and now insist on resorting to violence?  What are you two?  If you think the left isn't capable of producing suicidal radicals you didn't follow the rise of communism in the twentieth century very closely.  If the right wants to win we need to clean up our act and be the moral paragons we tell ourselves we are when we're posing in front of the bathroom mirror.

I never said they can't produce "suicidal radicals". They have lots of those. But that is a far cry from the armies of Bolsheviks you're obliquely referencing, and you seem to forget Muricans love their guns. We haven't lost anything yet, this has just gotten started. RE: moral paragons...pretending to have some sort of superiority because you won't engage the enemy on their terms is idiotic. They're setting the rules of the game, so I have zero issue playing along.

See, that's where I get off the train, when we start talking about purging the "degenerates". Because that's a nice little ambiguous word that doesn't specifically mean very much, specifically, doesn't mean the same thing to everyone who uses it, and, bluntly, I have no interest in being purged. Because I know to many people the fact I'm gay makes me a degenerate. No matter how much I stand up against the excesses of the so-called "gay culture", no matter how much I refuse to be a part of that culture, no matter how much I've been 'disowned' time and time again by that culture... including by a few high-profile TBP posters back when I used to post there, being decried as "heteronormative" and a sellout and a traitor... no matter any of that, I know I'm still viewed as a degenerate for not wanting to crawl in the ovens, or at best go back to hiding and fearing for my life and career lest anyone find out.

Are you actively grooming children? Do you advocate pedophilia? Are you murdering unborn children? Everyone is a sinner, but some people are irredeemable, and that's where we're at right now.

[3catcircus]

So what you're saying is that we've lost and will continue to lose because you've given up?  Because you don't have the stones to keep fighting and now insist on resorting to violence?  What are you two?  If you think the left isn't capable of producing suicidal radicals you didn't follow the rise of communism in the twentieth century very closely.  If the right wants to win we need to clean up our act and be the moral paragons we tell ourselves we are when we're posing in front of the bathroom mirror.

One can be a moral paragon while still stacking bodies.  There is a vast quantity of people who just want to be left the fuck alone. The left continues to intrude upon them. *Many* of them are combat veterans.

I'll just put this little quote here since it nicely sums up how this'll go once the gloves come off and the non-RINO conservatives finally responded to leftists calling for violence and threatening riots if they don't get their way.

"What is the number of veterans in this country? I mean, it's gotta be more than a million. There are so many people in this country that really understand violence, and they're not the ones calling for violence. They're not the "punch a Nazi" people. The people that really understand violence, that have seen violence, that have committed violence for their country, those are the motherfuckers that you break glass in case of war. You need them and people don't understand that. These people running around, calling for violence, calling for revolution; you are going to open a door that you can never close. And when those soldiers come pouring our of that door to defend what they think is an attack on their freedoms and their country, you're fucked." - Joe Rogan

[3catcircus]

As for your commentary, yes, I agree. Those terms are acceptable. Increasingly, the country needs to be cleansed if the Republic is to even have a chance at survival and potential recovery. Our unique American civilization itself is threatened by these degenerates.

See, that's where I get off the train, when we start talking about purging the "degenerates". Because that's a nice little ambiguous word that doesn't specifically mean very much, specifically, doesn't mean the same thing to everyone who uses it, and, bluntly, I have no interest in being purged. Because I know to many people the fact I'm gay makes me a degenerate. No matter how much I stand up against the excesses of the so-called "gay culture", no matter how much I refuse to be a part of that culture, no matter how much I've been 'disowned' time and time again by that culture... including by a few high-profile TBP posters back when I used to post there, being decried as "heteronormative" and a sellout and a traitor... no matter any of that, I know I'm still viewed as a degenerate for not wanting to crawl in the ovens, or at best go back to hiding and fearing for my life and career lest anyone find out.

This is a "I'll know it when I see it" test regarding degenerates. 

For example, when you have gay and lesbian people who get cancelled for calling out the grooming of children and the normalization of  pedophilia, you know that they are not degenerates and the people they are calling out are degenerates.

It isn't the "I wanna make sweet sweet man-love with my sex slave wearing leather in the privacy of my home or in a membership sex dungeon" that is the problem. It's the flaunting that activity in front of children on a public city street or encouraging children to try dressing in drag and dancing for money that is the problem. 

That is - whether you are gay, straight, trans and you want to engage in any type of adult activity in privacy that doesn't involve non-consent (kids, animals, adults who can't provide consent), have at it. I don't care if you're into S&M, group sex, or boring vanilla huggin-and-a-kissin. You're doing it in private with others who also want to.  It's the moment you try to flamboyantly expose everyone else to what is intended to be private that it becomes a problem for most people.  And *that* is the crux of the issue - the activist element amongst the LGBTQ don't respect boundaries.

Here's a little thought experiment: would your opinion of a married hetero couple with a couple of kids who lead a "typical" life change if you knew that they preferred kinky sex in private? Most people would say yes (moreso out of jealousy that that weren't having as much fun). But you generally aren't aware of their sex lives precisely because they don't throw it out for everyone to see.  The same holds true of gay or trans people who don't feel the need to announce their sexual activities to the world.

It isn't that someone is gay or straight or trans. It is that someone who is mentally ill in thinking that sexualizing children is normal while simultaneously needing to be an attention whore.

[SHARK]

So what you're saying is that we've lost and will continue to lose because you've given up?  Because you don't have the stones to keep fighting and now insist on resorting to violence?  What are you two?  If you think the left isn't capable of producing suicidal radicals you didn't follow the rise of communism in the twentieth century very closely.  If the right wants to win we need to clean up our act and be the moral paragons we tell ourselves we are when we're posing in front of the bathroom mirror.

One can be a moral paragon while still stacking bodies.  There is a vast quantity of people who just want to be left the fuck alone. The left continues to intrude upon them. *Many* of them are combat veterans.

I'll just put this little quote here since it nicely sums up how this'll go once the gloves come off and the non-RINO conservatives finally responded to leftists calling for violence and threatening riots if they don't get their way.

"What is the number of veterans in this country? I mean, it's gotta be more than a million. There are so many people in this country that really understand violence, and they're not the ones calling for violence. They're not the "punch a Nazi" people. The people that really understand violence, that have seen violence, that have committed violence for their country, those are the motherfuckers that you break glass in case of war. You need them and people don't understand that. These people running around, calling for violence, calling for revolution; you are going to open a door that you can never close. And when those soldiers come pouring our of that door to defend what they think is an attack on their freedoms and their country, you're fucked." - Joe Rogan

Greetings!

Excellent quote there, 3catcircus!

Indeed, our country is in danger of being entirely overthrown and transformed beyond recognition into a hideous vision of degeneracy and Marxist tyranny.

People need to wake the fuck up and resist the degenerate, Marxist scum.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Bruwulf]

This is a "I'll know it when I see it" test regarding degenerates. 

For example, when you have gay and lesbian people who get cancelled for calling out the grooming of children and the normalization of  pedophilia, you know that they are not degenerates and the people they are calling out are degenerates.

It isn't the "I wanna make sweet sweet man-love with my sex slave wearing leather in the privacy of my home or in a membership sex dungeon" that is the problem. It's the flaunting that activity in front of children on a public city street or encouraging children to try dressing in drag and dancing for money that is the problem. 

That is - whether you are gay, straight, trans and you want to engage in any type of adult activity in privacy that doesn't involve non-consent (kids, animals, adults who can't provide consent), have at it. I don't care if you're into S&M, group sex, or boring vanilla huggin-and-a-kissin. You're doing it in private with others who also want to.  It's the moment you try to flamboyantly expose everyone else to what is intended to be private that it becomes a problem for most people.  And *that* is the crux of the issue - the activist element amongst the LGBTQ don't respect boundaries.

Here's a little thought experiment: would your opinion of a married hetero couple with a couple of kids who lead a "typical" life change if you knew that they preferred kinky sex in private? Most people would say yes (moreso out of jealousy that that weren't having as much fun). But you generally aren't aware of their sex lives precisely because they don't throw it out for everyone to see.  The same holds true of gay or trans people who don't feel the need to announce their sexual activities to the world.

It isn't that someone is gay or straight or trans. It is that someone who is mentally ill in thinking that sexualizing children is normal while simultaneously needing to be an attention whore.

The problem, and this touches on something Brad mentioned, is that, well... you're talking some sort of flexible boundaries.

Brad asked, "am I grooming children?" I would say, absolutely not! I'm strongly against it, and have spoken about it many, many times.

However...

Flaunting it in public? Do you mean, do I walk down the street in a leather gimp suit with my boyfriend on a leash in puppy gear, or whatever the fuck that bald Biden admin freak that was in the news for stealing a woman's luggage did? No. I find the whole "pride" scene to be to be repulsive, having long outlived any actual purpose it served beyond being some sort of kinky mardi gras, and the fact that people suggest taking kids there is disgusting to me.

I'd be right there with y'all to get rid of that sort of shit. I think kink needs to be kept between adults, and preferably in private.

Or do you mean by "flaunting it in public" kissing my boyfriend when we part, or holding his hand while we watch a movie in the theater? Because there are people who say that's "flaunting it" when gay people do it, but straight people do it all the time. And I'm not speaking hypothetically, I've had people tell me exactly that.

[3catcircus]

This is a "I'll know it when I see it" test regarding degenerates. 

For example, when you have gay and lesbian people who get cancelled for calling out the grooming of children and the normalization of  pedophilia, you know that they are not degenerates and the people they are calling out are degenerates.

It isn't the "I wanna make sweet sweet man-love with my sex slave wearing leather in the privacy of my home or in a membership sex dungeon" that is the problem. It's the flaunting that activity in front of children on a public city street or encouraging children to try dressing in drag and dancing for money that is the problem. 

That is - whether you are gay, straight, trans and you want to engage in any type of adult activity in privacy that doesn't involve non-consent (kids, animals, adults who can't provide consent), have at it. I don't care if you're into S&M, group sex, or boring vanilla huggin-and-a-kissin. You're doing it in private with others who also want to.  It's the moment you try to flamboyantly expose everyone else to what is intended to be private that it becomes a problem for most people.  And *that* is the crux of the issue - the activist element amongst the LGBTQ don't respect boundaries.

Here's a little thought experiment: would your opinion of a married hetero couple with a couple of kids who lead a "typical" life change if you knew that they preferred kinky sex in private? Most people would say yes (moreso out of jealousy that that weren't having as much fun). But you generally aren't aware of their sex lives precisely because they don't throw it out for everyone to see.  The same holds true of gay or trans people who don't feel the need to announce their sexual activities to the world.

It isn't that someone is gay or straight or trans. It is that someone who is mentally ill in thinking that sexualizing children is normal while simultaneously needing to be an attention whore.

The problem, and this touches on something Brad mentioned, is that, well... you're talking some sort of flexible boundaries.

Brad asked, "am I grooming children?" I would say, absolutely not! I'm strongly against it, and have spoken about it many, many times.

However...

Flaunting it in public? Do you mean, do I walk down the street in a leather gimp suit with my boyfriend on a leash in puppy gear, or whatever the fuck that bald Biden admin freak that was in the news for stealing a woman's luggage did? No. I find the whole "pride" scene to be to be repulsive, having long outlived any actual purpose it served beyond being some sort of kinky mardi gras, and the fact that people suggest taking kids there is disgusting to me.

I'd be right there with y'all to get rid of that sort of shit. I think kink needs to be kept between adults, and preferably in private.

Or do you mean by "flaunting it in public" kissing my boyfriend when we part, or holding his hand while we watch a movie in the theater? Because there are people who say that's "flaunting it" when gay people do it, but straight people do it all the time. And I'm not speaking hypothetically, I've had people tell me exactly that.

It'd be the former where the gimp-suited think it acceptable to engage in their kink on the public square - mostly.

Kissing your boyfriend in public? I could care less. Kissing your boyfriend in public while loudly proclaiming "we're queer and we're here - deal with it, breeders!!!" That's a problem.  Not because you're kissing in public - because you're making a spectacle of yourself. We have neighbors a few doors down - an older (mid 70s) gay couple. All of us assume, but no one bothered to ask - because it's nobodies business but theirs.  I only know for certain because I overheard them engaged in loud rough sex one night this summer with their windows open while I was walking the dog.  As an aside, rough sex needs to stay in the realm of the young... Gay or straight or otherwise, Energetic sex with vocalizations made by an elderly person's voice sounds horrific.  Of course, they're in the privacy of their home, so it's none of my business.

That's the rub - trying to make the "not the norm" become "the norm." Not because gay/straight, married/single, or a multitude of racial and cultural makeups. Because of the activist attitude that continually tries to make the majority acquiesce to the minority in society coupled with their attitude that not being given special rights somehow equals being discriminated against.

To put it more succinctly, if everyone minded their own fucking business, we'd all be better off.

[jhkim]

Kissing your boyfriend in public? I could care less. Kissing your boyfriend in public while loudly proclaiming "we're queer and we're here - deal with it, breeders!!!" That's a problem.  Not because you're kissing in public - because you're making a spectacle of yourself.

It sounds like this complaint isn't about sexualization at all. It's about what people are allowed to say in public.

I don't agree with what a lot of people say - but I also believe in free speech. People have a right to speak their mind, even if that makes them a spectacle. And especially, this is in the context of SHARK and Brad talking about violent cleansing of people they consider degenerates.

That's the rub - trying to make the "not the norm" become "the norm." Not because gay/straight, married/single, or a multitude of racial and cultural makeups. Because of the activist attitude that continually tries to make the majority acquiesce to the minority in society coupled with their attitude that not being given special rights somehow equals being discriminated against.

To put it more succinctly, if everyone minded their own fucking business, we'd all be better off.

In a society with free speech where people can live as they like, it shouldn't matter what "the norm" is. Jehovah's Witnesses are the minority, but they're still free to try to get others to convert to their religion. They'd love it if everyone joined their religion. That doesn't mean they're evil for trying to disrupt the norm. They are free to advocate for their way of life, just as much as Catholics or Lutherans are to advocate for theirs.

Being white Anglo-Saxon Protestant used to be the norm for an American, but now it isn't. That's not a post-modern woke thing. It changed nearly a century ago.

[3catcircus]

Kissing your boyfriend in public? I could care less. Kissing your boyfriend in public while loudly proclaiming "we're queer and we're here - deal with it, breeders!!!" That's a problem.  Not because you're kissing in public - because you're making a spectacle of yourself.

It sounds like this complaint isn't about sexualization at all. It's about what people are allowed to say in public.

I don't agree with what a lot of people say - but I also believe in free speech. People have a right to speak their mind, even if that makes them a spectacle. And especially, this is in the context of SHARK and Brad talking about violent cleansing of people they consider degenerates.

It's not a free speech issue. It's the attention-whoring look-at-me-ism of someone purposely trying to force someone else to accept and condone, rather than tolerate.

That's the rub - trying to make the "not the norm" become "the norm." Not because gay/straight, married/single, or a multitude of racial and cultural makeups. Because of the activist attitude that continually tries to make the majority acquiesce to the minority in society coupled with their attitude that not being given special rights somehow equals being discriminated against.

To put it more succinctly, if everyone minded their own fucking business, we'd all be better off.

In a society with free speech where people can live as they like, it shouldn't matter what "the norm" is. Jehovah's Witnesses are the minority, but they're still free to try to get others to convert to their religion. They'd love it if everyone joined their religion. That doesn't mean they're evil for trying to disrupt the norm. They are free to advocate for their way of life, just as much as Catholics or Lutherans are to advocate for theirs.

Being white Anglo-Saxon Protestant used to be the norm for an American, but now it isn't. That's not a post-modern woke thing. It changed nearly a century ago.

Jehovah's Witnesses aren't trying to make Baptists or Catholics or Jews change their religious practices and calling for them to be fired from their jobs if they don't.

[Bruwulf]

Jehovah's Witnesses aren't trying to make Baptists or Catholics or Jews change their religious practices and calling for them to be fired from their jobs if they don't.

Jehovah's Witnesses are inherently and inescapably evangelical. I mean, that's, like, the #1 thing they're known for. They may not be trying to get people fired, but they are absolutely trying to convert people to their faith.

[David Johansen]

So, to possibly move the thread in a more positive discussion, what would need to happen to make rconciliation more viable?

[3catcircus]

Jehovah's Witnesses aren't trying to make Baptists or Catholics or Jews change their religious practices and calling for them to be fired from their jobs if they don't.

Jehovah's Witnesses are inherently and inescapably evangelical. I mean, that's, like, the #1 thing they're known for. They may not be trying to get people fired, but they are absolutely trying to convert people to their faith.

I think the difference is that you can reliably slam your front door on them and not be called into a meeting with HR the following day...

[3catcircus]

So, to possibly move the thread in a more positive discussion, what would need to happen to make rconciliation more viable?

I think it's already started now that Elon Musk is running Twitter.

[Ratman_tf]

So, to possibly move the thread in a more positive discussion, what would need to happen to make rconciliation more viable?

I think it's already started now that Elon Musk is running Twitter.

That's not going to make reconcilliation more viable. It's already being portrayed as the Worst Thing Evar by the left.

[Brad]

That's not going to make reconcilliation more viable. It's already being portrayed as the Worst Thing Evar by the left.

Funny how communists get mad when they can't control what people say...