New Study proves Pundit was right

[GeekyBugle]

In a different thread (that has been derailed enough IMHO) Pundit made the claim that LGBTQERTY activists were mainly motivated by narcissism...

Lo and behold, a new psychological study proves him right:

The Article: https://nypost.com/2023/05/25/left-wing-extremism-linked-to-psychopathy-narcissism-study/

The Study: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-023-04463-x

The Study Archived just in case: https://archive.is/mbQU4

Video talking about it:

Cue the left-wing lunatics/apologists in 10, 9, 8...

[jhkim]

Your link to the study came out wrong - it's missing the initial "h" in the link though not the text. This one works:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-023-04463-x

I'm skeptical about psychological studies in general, but I have no problem with the study conclusion if it turns out to be reproducible. Left-wing authoritarianism (LWA) exists, and is associated with antagonistic narcissism and psychopathy. This is a parallel to right-wing authoritarianism (RWA), which the study describes as:

Individuals with high levels of RWA have been described as people striving for (1) the strict endorsement of conservative social norms and values (i.e., conventionalism), (2) the compliance with established authorities (i.e., authoritarian submission), and (3) antagonistic behavior toward outgroup members (i.e., authoritarian aggression). In line with this description, current research found individuals with higher levels of RWA to be more close-minded (e.g., Hodson et al., 2009), fundamentalistic in their religious orientation, and prejudiced towards minority groups (Altemeyer & Hunsberger, 1992). However, in later theoretical conceptualizations (Altemeyer, 1998), it was postulated that RWA seems to be more reflective of the submissive aspect of authoritarianism while another construct – social dominance orientation (SDO) – was assumed to mirror the dominance aspect of authoritarianism. Individuals with high SDO have been characterized as people opposing social equality in support of group-based hierarchies by striving to dominate weaker out-groups. Supporting this later postulate, empirical studies have shown that SDO is associated with racism, homophobia, and attitudes unsupportive of women's rights whilst negatively correlated with empathy, tolerance, and altruism (Pratto et al., 1994). Further, it was found that SDO is related to narcissism (e.g., Cichocka et al., 2017; Zeigler-Hill et al., 2021) and dark personality traits (e.g., Hodson et al., 2009).

The short form seems to be that there are closed-minded assholes and narcissists on both right and left.

EDITED TO ADD: At this point, I've read the first and last quarters of the study itself. I haven't yet seen the article or video.

[oggsmash]

  Ye olde "Both sides" postulation.  Since ONE side controls all institutions, government, and large corporations I do not really care how many right wing people are assholes...they do not affect me at all.  Lefties however are CONSTANTLY asking for complete capitulation and celebration of their world view, no matter how degenerate or disgusting.  That will get a lash back and that lash back is going to be really, really ugly.

[SHARK]

  Ye olde "Both sides" postulation.  Since ONE side controls all institutions, government, and large corporations I do not really care how many right wing people are assholes...they do not affect me at all.  Lefties however are CONSTANTLY asking for complete capitulation and celebration of their world view, no matter how degenerate or disgusting.  That will get a lash back and that lash back is going to be really, really ugly.

Greetings!

Yes, that's right, Oggsmash. "Whataboutism" and "False Equivalency".

I also suspect you are quite right on the coming backlash. Imagine the sweet, nice, "tolerant" Liberals screaming from coast to coast. More people have just had it with all the Liberal BS and tyranny. I'm afraid more people are just becoming so fed up with Liberals that they are going to start curb stomping the fuck out of them. As they open their mouths to REEE, they will just get stomped to the fucking pavement, again, and again, and again. I keep seeing more and more people calling for "No mercy" for the Liberals. All the degenerates, all the fucking groomers, all the kiddy diddlers will be targeted ruthlessly.

More states are structuring themselves to be more autonomous from the federal government, and on a variety of issues, such as 'gun Control" have enshrined the 2nd Amendment within state constitutions, and have more or less told the federal government to go fuck themselves. More states are standing up to the fucking baby murderers and their disgusting medical industries that profit from them, as well as the kiddy groomers, and their allies in politics and within school districts and universities. Degenerates are not welcome, and more people are getting comfortable with stomping their foot down and telling the federal government to get fucked on that, too. We can also see this happening with Liberal "Cancel Culture" and corporations thinking they can shove degeneracy down people's throats without consequences. Bud Light, Miller Light, and Target are all getting absolutely wrecked.

*Sigh* Oh well. The degenerate Liberals, the Marxists, the groomers--they wanted to fuck around and find out.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Grognard GM]

Terrified man: "OMG! An alien virus has infected all the cats, and they're running around biting everyone, and the bite is instantly fatal!"

Centrist: "I was once bitten by a dog and needed stitches, let's not pretend dog's aren't also a concern."

[jhkim]

  Ye olde "Both sides" postulation.  Since ONE side controls all institutions, government, and large corporations I do not really care how many right wing people are assholes...they do not affect me at all.  Lefties however are CONSTANTLY asking for complete capitulation and celebration of their world view, no matter how degenerate or disgusting.  That will get a lash back and that lash back is going to be really, really ugly.

Dude. The only claim I made here was to quote from the study that GeekyBugle cited. Unlike GeekyBugle, I don't claim it proves anything either way. Psychological studies are notoriously difficult to reproduce. I think they should be taken with a big grain of salt.

[Chris24601]

Terrified man: "OMG! An alien virus has infected all the cats, and they're running around biting everyone, and the bite is instantly fatal!"

Centrist: "I was once bitten by a dog and needed stitches, let's not pretend dog's aren't also a concern."

Leftist: "People preferring dogs because cat bites can now kill is just feliniphobia! We need to force the canine supremacists to accept feral cats into their neighborhoods as distributive justice. Also Pfizer assures us it's new mRNA booster is 100% effective against the cat bites... okay, more like 90%... we swear it's at least 70% effective..."

[KindaMeh]

It's nice to see at least some people in academia are willing to acknowledge that left wing authoritarianism can exist and is linked to terrible psychological traits. That said, the actual journal article/study does indeed point out right wing authoritarianism as being linked to the same exact traits. So in that sense I will admit to jhkim that this is less a win for right vs left and more a win for liberty vs authoritarian beliefs.

That said, I feel what's missing from such an argument is that as others have pointed out, the right seems to be less tyrannical in its ideology than the left at the moment. Indeed I feel cancel culture's intolerance, the bigotry of the provision of benefits along racial lines, a disregard for personal responsibility and choice in addition to discrimination on the basis of vaccination decision, a proclivity towards socialism and big government, and more all point to authoritarian trends on the rise within the ranks of the swiftly radicalizing political left today. These "Progressives" seem to control the future of the Democratic Party according to demographic shifts, which is terrifying, and illustrates this point. Especially in that they do seem a lot less concerned with liberty than the Conservative factions that are on the rise. In essence, the current left looks to be more authoritarian in stance and especially in future trend than the right. Which means we may indeed have a crisis of narcissism and psychopathic ideology on our hands, hence the solid relevance of this study.

Note also the left's stance on free speech or even the right of the people to defend at the grassroots level against tyranny via the second amendment.

[oggsmash]

  No one with a bit of reasoning ability needs a study to see people pushing their point of view onto others with overt threats have issues.  We call this basic observation.  These people are willing to literally sacrifice kids and castrate them to get what they perceive as justice.   I do not need a study to know someone like that is batshit.

[Mistwell]

Interesting study and interesting it was even conducted and got published given the state of peer review practices these days.

Will be hard to reproduce for those very reasons, but I hope someone tries.

As for the claim of whataboutism, if you read the quote the study is just saying 'Here are a bunch of studies which already said this exists in right wing authoritarians.'

And given most here don't claim to be traditional 90s-2000s right wing authoritarians - those studies were done mostly in the era of neo conservativism which y'all despise anyway - I don't know why you guys would freak out about it.  That's not an era of conservativism you identify with anyway. The study was basically saying, "they never studied the left win progressive authoritarians so we did and found oh hey look at what we found."

The sum, if true, is saying "Extreme authoritarians, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum, tend to be narcissist psychopaths who use politics to hide their dark personalities."

But, in general, even when I disagree with those on the far right that post here, I don't think of most as "authoritarian." There is a whole lot of "You guys want to do this thing I think is incredibly stupid, that's fine just as long as you're an adult and you don't try to force others to do that stupid thing or praise this stupid thing I think you're doing." Even when I think someone has  a view that's extreme, that view doesn't tend to be expressed in a "and I want to control your life" manner of an authoritarian.

But there is no denying there are authoritarian extremists with right wing views in the world. You guys don't tend to like them either. So why are you pissy that studies have shown they're nuts too?

[KindaMeh]

  No one with a bit of reasoning ability needs a study to see people pushing their point of view onto others with overt threats have issues.  We call this basic observation.  These people are willing to literally sacrifice kids and castrate them to get what they perceive as justice.   I do not need a study to know someone like that is batshit.

NGL, you're sharper than the average person to notice that. Or sharper than me at least, in this instance.

For me I knew something was wrong with the belief system for folks advocating far left policies and that kind of agenda. But beyond thinking they held evil ideologies, I didn't really think much into it. I figured it was social pressure and intellectual laziness mostly. I think a lot of people like to believe that the opposition at least thinks and reasons roughly the same way they do, just coming to a different conclusion.

Then something like this study comes out and while it's not a surprise to those who already knew, it was kinda a bit shocking for me to have to reconsider whether that base assumption was correct. It seems there may indeed be underlying psychological and processing issues making their way into our society, which I at least didn't really see coming. Scary stuff. Apparently backing up what you already suspected to be true in a sense, but for me it's like a mental health crisis has been signaled for our nation for years and I just now saw the signs.

[jhkim]

So in that sense I will admit to jhkim that this is less a win for right vs left and more a win for liberty vs authoritarian beliefs.

That said, I feel what's missing from such an argument is that as others have pointed out, the right seems to be less tyrannical in its ideology than the left at the moment. Indeed I feel cancel culture's intolerance, the bigotry of the provision of benefits along racial lines, a disregard for personal responsibility and choice in addition to discrimination on the basis of vaccination decision, a proclivity towards socialism and big government, and more all point to authoritarian trends on the rise within the ranks of the swiftly radicalizing political left today.

I agree that there have been authoritarian trends rising on the left. I appreciate those on the right that are supporting free speech. Still, the original cancel culture was cancelling people who came out as LGBT just a few years ago - fired from their jobs, barred from public forums, etc. It seems like there are people who would like to return to that.

It should be possible to have a society where liberals and conservatives can both their lives, and LGBT people are free to do the same things as straight people. Conservatives shouldn't be legally required to express support or use proper pronouns, but equally, LGBT people should be able to live and work and play without being condemned as a danger to children just for existing in public. New anti-drag laws are defining things like simply wearing a dress as indecent behavior that children shouldn't see, which is ridiculous. Banning nudity or strip shows is one thing, but banning wearing a dress or makeup is completely different.

[Grognard GM]

I agree that there have been authoritarian trends rising on the left.

[GeekyBugle]

So in that sense I will admit to jhkim that this is less a win for right vs left and more a win for liberty vs authoritarian beliefs.

That said, I feel what's missing from such an argument is that as others have pointed out, the right seems to be less tyrannical in its ideology than the left at the moment. Indeed I feel cancel culture's intolerance, the bigotry of the provision of benefits along racial lines, a disregard for personal responsibility and choice in addition to discrimination on the basis of vaccination decision, a proclivity towards socialism and big government, and more all point to authoritarian trends on the rise within the ranks of the swiftly radicalizing political left today.

I agree that there have been authoritarian trends rising on the left. I appreciate those on the right that are supporting free speech. Still, the original cancel culture was cancelling people who came out as LGBT just a few years ago - fired from their jobs, barred from public forums, etc. It seems like there are people who would like to return to that.

It should be possible to have a society where liberals and conservatives can both their lives, and LGBT people are free to do the same things as straight people. Conservatives shouldn't be legally required to express support or use proper pronouns, but equally, LGBT people should be able to live and work and play without being condemned as a danger to children just for existing in public. New anti-drag laws are defining things like simply wearing a dress as indecent behavior that children shouldn't see, which is ridiculous. Banning nudity or strip shows is one thing, but banning wearing a dress or makeup is completely different.

WHY do you have to lie?

Drag is fundamentally sexual, you know it as well as we do.

NOT doing your sexual show in front of children doesn't violate your rights, but you go on speaking in favor of pedos.

[oggsmash]

Keep pretending the left is just about lgbt if you like.  They are at this point expressly anti white, have laws and rules in place to work against white people for hiring and getting into universities and many other programs.  The left is not trending authoritarian, it is extremely authoritarian and supports all sorts of insanity like mutilating children and forcing girls to be in locker rooms with boys and compete against them in sports.  Soft sell that kind of horror show all you like but so much pushing always ends with a snap back.