LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021

[oggsmash]

  The other part of the whole thing that I find grimly amusing, is folks like Joe Biden rant on and on about how an "assault rifle" is useless for fighting a tyrannical government (the USA) as you need Nukes.   I think he should make sure to tell the dudes hiding in the hills of afghanistan with flip flops and 30 year old rifles that.

Do you really want to draw comparisons like that between gun-owning Americans and the Taliban?

  The only comparison that would matter is people willing to fight, and who can hide, do not need nukes.  Or are you drawing some other comparison?

[HappyDaze]

  The other part of the whole thing that I find grimly amusing, is folks like Joe Biden rant on and on about how an "assault rifle" is useless for fighting a tyrannical government (the USA) as you need Nukes.   I think he should make sure to tell the dudes hiding in the hills of afghanistan with flip flops and 30 year old rifles that.

Do you really want to draw comparisons like that between gun-owning Americans and the Taliban?

  The only comparison that would matter is people willing to fight, and who can hide, do not need nukes.  Or are you drawing some other comparison?

One does not compare their group to the SS to call attention to their snappy dress uniforms alone. Likewise, one should not compare themselves to the Taliban and expect that comparison to be limited to one choice aspect.

[oggsmash]

  The other part of the whole thing that I find grimly amusing, is folks like Joe Biden rant on and on about how an "assault rifle" is useless for fighting a tyrannical government (the USA) as you need Nukes.   I think he should make sure to tell the dudes hiding in the hills of afghanistan with flip flops and 30 year old rifles that.

Do you really want to draw comparisons like that between gun-owning Americans and the Taliban?

  The only comparison that would matter is people willing to fight, and who can hide, do not need nukes.  Or are you drawing some other comparison?

One does not compare their group to the SS to call attention to their snappy dress uniforms alone. Likewise, one should not compare themselves to the Taliban and expect that comparison to be limited to one choice aspect.

  Compare themselves?  I am not comparing myself.   You feeling OK?  Or are you reading too much into a casual observation any outsider with common sense could make?

[HappyDaze]

  The other part of the whole thing that I find grimly amusing, is folks like Joe Biden rant on and on about how an "assault rifle" is useless for fighting a tyrannical government (the USA) as you need Nukes.   I think he should make sure to tell the dudes hiding in the hills of afghanistan with flip flops and 30 year old rifles that.

Do you really want to draw comparisons like that between gun-owning Americans and the Taliban?

  The only comparison that would matter is people willing to fight, and who can hide, do not need nukes.  Or are you drawing some other comparison?

One does not compare their group to the SS to call attention to their snappy dress uniforms alone. Likewise, one should not compare themselves to the Taliban and expect that comparison to be limited to one choice aspect.

  Compare themselves?  I am not comparing myself.   You feeling OK?  Or are you reading too much into a casual observation any outsider with common sense could make?

That Americans with "assault" styled weapons are terrorists is waiting?

[oggsmash]

  The other part of the whole thing that I find grimly amusing, is folks like Joe Biden rant on and on about how an "assault rifle" is useless for fighting a tyrannical government (the USA) as you need Nukes.   I think he should make sure to tell the dudes hiding in the hills of afghanistan with flip flops and 30 year old rifles that.

Do you really want to draw comparisons like that between gun-owning Americans and the Taliban?

  The only comparison that would matter is people willing to fight, and who can hide, do not need nukes.  Or are you drawing some other comparison?

One does not compare their group to the SS to call attention to their snappy dress uniforms alone. Likewise, one should not compare themselves to the Taliban and expect that comparison to be limited to one choice aspect.

  Compare themselves?  I am not comparing myself.   You feeling OK?  Or are you reading too much into a casual observation any outsider with common sense could make?

That Americans with "assault" styled weapons are terrorists is waiting?

    I suspect lots of people in Iraq and Afghanistan just might feel people wearing a US military uniform are pretty terrifying themselves.  Perspective and degree, and who wins usually decide who is a rebel or a terrorist or an insurgent, or just simply a soldier. 

[oggsmash]

 As to the "assault" weapons, I do not know what that means.

[Ghostmaker]

Afghanis clinging to a C-17 as it takes off, and falling to their deaths:

https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/1427207485144895490

And on top of this, the Taliban now have a goddamn banquet of U.S. military armaments. Tanks. Helicopters. Guns. Rockets. Drones. ALL the fuckin' toys.

No, you can't lay this on Trump. Yes, he committed to leave. On May 1st. But oh no, we can't give him even ONE point in the win column. So the dipshit Bidenharris administration pushes back the departure date and the Taliban goes ballistic. Cue surprised Pikachu face. And, of course, because we don't have ANYONE in charge, no one was ready and it's a mad scramble to the exit.

(I'm not even going to get into the State Department and Pentagon deliberately lying to him about troop departures in Syria. It wouldn't surprise me if those fuckers were doing the same in Afghanistan.)

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

[Wntrlnd]

As to the "assault" weapons, I do not know what that means.

Duh, it's obviously the opposite of "defense" weapons, of course.

[Reckall]

You are looking at the thing from the perspective of a win/lose in the classical sense.  I assure you, the sociopaths who ran that whole load of shit won, and won big.

I basically agree with what you wrote, so I'll consider this as a key point.

IIRC, it was Eisenhower who warned against "the industrial military complex" in a famous speech. Such a complex, however, can't exist in a vacuum. People have to support it. Vietnam ended the draft so the US Army Forces (and, today, basically every Western Army) are mostly composed by volunteers.

So I think "Look at Iraq. Look at Afghanistan (even before this latest fiasco). Then tell me: why are you still volunteering?" This is a honest question, not a provocation. I understand that for some people in the lower income groups this is a way to get a job and an education, but not only the poors are enlisting. What is the reason for the others?

Sure the Western Civilization as a unit "lost", but the people who control the monster known as the US Military do not give two shits about "Western Civilization".

I guess so. But I also guess that it is the "Western Civilization" itself who should give two shits. The US (and the UK, and even Italy) lied and ended up in a quagmire in Iraq. The US could, after 9/11, at least offer a rationale for a war in Afghanistan (over here the support for that war was an unprecedented 92%) - but not for a never ending war. After three-four years the gig was up. Twenty years? That was sheer masochism. All of this happened in full view. If someone enlisted (not out of need) while all of this was going on, what policy were they supporting, exactly?

Sure, many ex-soldiers and many families are now crying for the never-ending pain that a single bullet or mortar round brought in their lives. I hope that, from pain, learning will emerge. What about the rest, however?

As of now, "Woke" culture is trickling down into the US Army too; just look at how cringe the recent "US Army Ads" are (in contrast, the Russian one made me grow a third ball by just watching it). This will clash with the "Rah! Rah!" culture brought by the spawn of those who think that waving a gun means liberty and superiority. Those looking for "safe spaces" and denouncing "micro aggressions" in the Army will be hazed fast. Send out angry tweets about it and you will end up cleaning bathrooms with a toothbrush. I have no problems with this.

But this also means that there will be an ongoing internal cultural strife across most of Western armies in a moment where the most urgent issue should instead be "Wait. Stop. How we arrived to this situation?

I'm not for "pacifism". But, for chrissake, before enlisting, think! Think about who you, literally, "are going to serve". Whose interests are we really serving? Remember, the "sociopaths who run this whole load of shit" need cannon fodder as a fuel. No cannon fodder, no fuel.

And, regarding this, I'm a pessimist. This crucial question will be shouted over by finger pointing, "lessons learned" (never, really, but that's the term) and a "chest vs. chest" attitude now towards Russia and China - because a lot of people just need a enemy and someone to show how big their dick is, thinking be damned. And the military industrial complex will emit a sigh of relief and move on.

Do you really want to draw comparisons like that between gun-owning Americans and the Taliban?

Why not? Both of them use those guns to shoot other Americans.

[oggsmash]

You are looking at the thing from the perspective of a win/lose in the classical sense.  I assure you, the sociopaths who ran that whole load of shit won, and won big.

I basically agree with what you wrote, so I'll consider this as a key point.

IIRC, it was Eisenhower who warned against "the industrial military complex" in a famous speech. Such a complex, however, can't exist in a vacuum. People have to support it. Vietnam ended the draft so the US Army Forces (and, today, basically every Western Army) are mostly composed by volunteers.

So I think "Look at Iraq. Look at Afghanistan (even before this latest fiasco). Then tell me: why are you still volunteering?" This is a honest question, not a provocation. I understand that for some people in the lower income groups this is a way to get a job and an education, but not only the poors are enlisting. What is the reason for the others?

Sure the Western Civilization as a unit "lost", but the people who control the monster known as the US Military do not give two shits about "Western Civilization".

I guess so. But I also guess that it is the "Western Civilization" itself who should give two shits. The US (and the UK, and even Italy) lied and ended up in a quagmire in Iraq. The US could, after 9/11, at least offer a rationale for a war in Afghanistan (over here the support for that war was an unprecedented 92%) - but not for a never ending war. After three-four years the gig was up. Twenty years? That was sheer masochism. All of this happened in full view. If someone enlisted (not out of need) while all of this was going on, what policy were they supporting, exactly?

Sure, many ex-soldiers and many families are now crying for the never-ending pain that a single bullet or mortar round brought in their lives. I hope that, from pain, learning will emerge. What about the rest, however?

As of now, "Woke" culture is trickling down into the US Army too; just look at how cringe the recent "US Army Ads" are (in contrast, the Russian one made me grow a third ball by just watching it). This will clash with the "Rah! Rah!" culture brought by the spawn of those who think that waving a gun means liberty and superiority. Those looking for "safe spaces" and denouncing "micro aggressions" in the Army will be hazed fast. Send out angry tweets about it and you will end up cleaning bathrooms with a toothbrush. I have no problems with this.

But this also means that there will be an ongoing internal cultural strife across most of Western armies in a moment where the most urgent issue should instead be "Wait. Stop. How we arrived to this situation?

I'm not for "pacifism". But, for chrissake, before enlisting, think! Think about who you, literally, "are going to serve". Whose interests are we really serving? Remember, the "sociopaths who run this whole load of shit" need cannon fodder as a fuel. No cannon fodder, no fuel.

And, regarding this, I'm a pessimist. This crucial question will be shouted over by finger pointing, "lessons learned" (never, really, but that's the term) and a "chest vs. chest" attitude now towards Russia and China - because a lot of people just need a enemy and someone to show how big their dick is, thinking be damned. And the military industrial complex will emit a sigh of relief and move on.

Do you really want to draw comparisons like that between gun-owning Americans and the Taliban?

Why not? Both of them use those guns to shoot other Americans.

    I can only move forward, and my part is making sure my kids never serve in the US military.   But if you think that the machine that is the US military industrial complex will be short of meat for the beast....well I think you know the propaganda is still extremely strong.    Best I can do is move, and expatriate and not pay taxes to the machine (but reality is the machine will run on debt anyway, taxes are a farce as are US budgets) which I am working towards every day.

   As for being run out or hazed to correction in the army for being "woke", I am not so sure.  I can not say though. I can say I really do not care.

  regarding the use of guns on other Americans, you are likely correct that there are Americans who want to use firearms on one another, just one side is carrying them, and the other side prefers to point at the people they want shot, because they do not believe in owning guns, just pointing the authorities with guns at the people they do not like.  It is also another reason I do not care to stay.

[Pat]

The US (and the UK, and even Italy) lied and ended up in a quagmire in Iraq. The US could, after 9/11, at least offer a rationale for a war in Afghanistan (over here the support for that war was an unprecedented 92%) - but not for a never ending war. After three-four years the gig was up. Twenty years? That was sheer masochism. All of this happened in full view. If someone enlisted (not out of need) while all of this was going on, what policy were they supporting, exactly?

You're assuming they're making decisions based on an impartial assessment of recent events. People don't make decisions based on that. The US has a long tradition of civic pride and honoring military service. That's why people joined. This may eventually change, but it's a long, slow process with lots of inertia.

[Shasarak]

That Americans with "assault" styled weapons are terrorists is waiting?

HappyDaze we do not refer to legitimate Governments that can sign the Paris accords as "terrorists"

We only refer to peaceful citizens exercising their legitimate rights of protest as "terrorists"

[Reckall]

Well, we now know the first four countries who are starting to support the new Taliban regime: Russia, China, Iran and... (cough) Pakistan. They all look very happy. Good for them

[oggsmash]

  I am guessing we might get a chance to see how the Taliban and gun toting 'Mericans compare directly when a shitload of them hide among all the 10 year old boy rapists and abject cowards we accept as refugees.  I figure maybe half a percent of the 200k Joe tries to take to the USA as refugees will likely be outright Jihadis.  Good times ahead.

[Ratman_tf]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/