LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021

[Ghostmaker]

https://gizmodo.com/new-york-faces-blackouts-as-extreme-heat-strains-the-gr-1847206009

First California, now New York? And this is after NY shut down one of their nuclear plants, to much celebration on the left.

Great job, retards.

[Ratman_tf]

What do people here think about the path forward for Trump and Trump supporters?

I've seen some about his recent rallies, but I'm curious about what supporters think. Do you still have hope for the Arizona ballot investigation? What about his chances in 2024, after new election laws in various Republican states?

I think a few thoughts.

Biden and the Democrat party have been such a farce, I think they've inadvertently opened up a window for a Trump 2024 campaign. The midterms will be our first gauge of that.

I think both the Dems and Repubs will close ranks against Trump and he'll have to run as an independant.

Too soon to tell if Trump will actually try another campaign.

At this point, I don't think he shoud run again. The establishment were blindsided by him, but they'll be prepared for an attempt at a 2nd term.

[Shasarak]

Biden (or more likely, his handlers) had already decreed the VP slot would go to a 'woman of color', which limited them spectacularly. The big names for 'women of color' in politics weren't great -- aside from Harris, you had Stacey 'I totally won and Kemp cheated!!1' Abrams, and then a couple barely-known congresscritters. Harris had the most name recognition... in theory anyways.

He should have gone with Elizabeth Warren.   

[jhkim]

At this point, I don't think he shoud run again. The establishment were blindsided by him, but they'll be prepared for an attempt at a 2nd term.

What do you think should be done?

Historically, many authoritarian regimes have been overthrown. I would think that organizing on a local level would be a first step. The U.S. has a high degree of local control over elections. I'm not a Trump supporter, but if I did believe in election interference, I'd focus on the local level. Ideally, it would be possible to get someone to turn over inside evidence.

[Pat]

https://gizmodo.com/new-york-faces-blackouts-as-extreme-heat-strains-the-gr-1847206009

First California, now New York? And this is after NY shut down one of their nuclear plants, to much celebration on the left.

Great job, retards.

I once did some disaster planning around Indian Point. I'm strongly in favor of nuclear power, but it made a lot of sense to shut that one down. It's ancient, neglected, and they discovered two fault lines converge under it. Given it's in one of the mostly densely populated areas in the country, it should have been shut down more than a decade ago.

[Zelen]

IMO best case scenario would see Trump retiring from politics as an active figure but helping to fund & promote candidates. I think Trump's flaws as a person are very significant:

* Too old
* Too narcissistic
* Failure to hire and reward loyalty

These personal problems directly relate to the most pressing issues we face. The complete destruction of Freedom of Speech in America happened under his watch, and he was complacent about it. His online support base was completely annihilated in 2017-2020 with zero significant action. This also led directly into the Covid hysteria / medical tyranny we face today, and the complete blackout on discussion of election fraud. (Regardless of what you think about these issues, and there have clearly been some outlandish claims, it's unprecedented and clearly tyrannical to completely shut down discussion on them in the way that tech & govt have colluded to do.)

Over his presidency, Trump has a bad track record for staff & endorsements. There were tens of millions of patriots who would have volunteered for his administration, but in so many cases we saw him hiring the Bush-era Republican cronies who hated him. He's similarly endorsed a bunch of shit candidates because he wanted to look like he could pick winners.
We see the problems arising again when it comes to the Jan 6th protestors. Has Trump said a single word about standing up for people who stood up for him? These are people who in some cases have spent months imprisoned, beaten, and tortured by the current US regime. Not a peep about them.

Trump behind the scenes could do a lot of good if he actually had good advisors and people who were loyal to the goals of his presidency. But I don't think there's much hope that will happen. Trump will definitely run in 2024, and if nothing else it'll be fascinating to see if he can win under the world's most sophisticated censorship apparatus. Things are getting so bad so quickly I don't rule it out.

[HappyDaze]

I think it's pretty clear that no reasonable person would vote for Trump in the next election. That being said, he'd probably get plenty of votes.

[Shasarak]

I think it's pretty clear that no reasonable person would vote for Trump in the next election. That being said, he'd probably get plenty of votes.

And certainly no true Scotsman either.

[Ratman_tf]

At this point, I don't think he shoud run again. The establishment were blindsided by him, but they'll be prepared for an attempt at a 2nd term.

What do you think should be done?

Historically, many authoritarian regimes have been overthrown. I would think that organizing on a local level would be a first step. The U.S. has a high degree of local control over elections. I'm not a Trump supporter, but if I did believe in election interference, I'd focus on the local level. Ideally, it would be possible to get someone to turn over inside evidence.

The Dems are pushing to Federalize state elections. They're already trying to close that avenue.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-voting-democracy-voting-rights-coronavirus-pandemic-7fc2dde742c261ea897b127254377baa

And while I think election interference was a part of the 2020 Presidential election, I don't think it was traceable. As in, it was a decentralized effort by individuals who believed they were protecting us from Literally Orange Hitler. I don't have any insight into how or what any private inquiry would turn up anything useful beyond a few people getting dinged for questionable election practices. Which is pretty much what happened.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

We're in the uncomfortable position of a two party system that only agrees that they should share power between themselves, and then fight ruthlessley for the steering wheel. Any reform would have to be from Republicans or Democrats willing to give up their control over the election system. I don't see that happening willingly. I don't know what should be done about it. Only that it's not a stable situation for the long term.

[Ratman_tf]

IMO best case scenario would see Trump retiring from politics as an active figure but helping to fund & promote candidates. I think Trump's flaws as a person are very significant:

* Too old
* Too narcissistic
* Failure to hire and reward loyalty

These personal problems directly relate to the most pressing issues we face. The complete destruction of Freedom of Speech in America happened under his watch, and he was complacent about it. His online support base was completely annihilated in 2017-2020 with zero significant action. This also led directly into the Covid hysteria / medical tyranny we face today, and the complete blackout on discussion of election fraud. (Regardless of what you think about these issues, and there have clearly been some outlandish claims, it's unprecedented and clearly tyrannical to completely shut down discussion on them in the way that tech & govt have colluded to do.)

Over his presidency, Trump has a bad track record for staff & endorsements. There were tens of millions of patriots who would have volunteered for his administration, but in so many cases we saw him hiring the Bush-era Republican cronies who hated him. He's similarly endorsed a bunch of shit candidates because he wanted to look like he could pick winners.
We see the problems arising again when it comes to the Jan 6th protestors. Has Trump said a single word about standing up for people who stood up for him? These are people who in some cases have spent months imprisoned, beaten, and tortured by the current US regime. Not a peep about them.

Trump behind the scenes could do a lot of good if he actually had good advisors and people who were loyal to the goals of his presidency. But I don't think there's much hope that will happen. Trump will definitely run in 2024, and if nothing else it'll be fascinating to see if he can win under the world's most sophisticated censorship apparatus. Things are getting so bad so quickly I don't rule it out.

I agree. We'll see. I think he did pretty well against the entrenched establishment and a media willing to say any crazy thing about him.

https://www.salon.com/2019/12/10/alleged-pee-tape-incident-wasnt-the-only-trump-sex-party-in-russia-probed-by-steele_partner/

Trump could do a lot of good as a fundraiser and speaker for populist America. Will he? Or will he try to charge up The Hill again?

[Ghostmaker]

https://gizmodo.com/new-york-faces-blackouts-as-extreme-heat-strains-the-gr-1847206009

First California, now New York? And this is after NY shut down one of their nuclear plants, to much celebration on the left.

Great job, retards.

I once did some disaster planning around Indian Point. I'm strongly in favor of nuclear power, but it made a lot of sense to shut that one down. It's ancient, neglected, and they discovered two fault lines converge under it. Given it's in one of the mostly densely populated areas in the country, it should have been shut down more than a decade ago.

That's fine -- but that cut a HUGE chunk out of New York's power budget, and they made NO attempt to fill it.

Note that Times Square is all lit up in the videos and images. But the proles need to shut down their AC.

[Pat]

https://gizmodo.com/new-york-faces-blackouts-as-extreme-heat-strains-the-gr-1847206009

First California, now New York? And this is after NY shut down one of their nuclear plants, to much celebration on the left.

Great job, retards.

I once did some disaster planning around Indian Point. I'm strongly in favor of nuclear power, but it made a lot of sense to shut that one down. It's ancient, neglected, and they discovered two fault lines converge under it. Given it's in one of the mostly densely populated areas in the country, it should have been shut down more than a decade ago.

That's fine -- but that cut a HUGE chunk out of New York's power budget, and they made NO attempt to fill it.

Note that Times Square is all lit up in the videos and images. But the proles need to shut down their AC.

That's a result of the stupid politics around nuclear. They cheer its death, but don't have any alternatives. In a rational world, we would have replaced all the aging nuclear plants decades ago with newer technologies, instead of keeping them running with string and bubblegum, and they would have replaced Indian Point with a new reactor in a less populated, more seismically stable area.

[ScytheSong]

I think it's pretty clear that no reasonable person would vote for Trump in the next election. That being said, he'd probably get plenty of votes.

And certainly no true Scotsman either.

Well, yes. A true Scotsman is going to be a citizen of the UK and not eligible to vote in a US election....

[Ghostmaker]

https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/23/deprogramming-of-january-6-defendants-is-underway/

It's not enough to charge people with misdemeanors. They must be forcibly reeducated.

This is some Russian/Chinese level bullshit here.

Defend this. Try. I wanna see this.

[ScytheSong]

https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/23/deprogramming-of-january-6-defendants-is-underway/

It's not enough to charge people with misdemeanors. They must be forcibly reeducated.

This is some Russian/Chinese level bullshit here.

Defend this. Try. I wanna see this.

Obviously, you don't understand what pleading guilty for a lesser sentence involves in the United States. This is actually par for the course. Got a drug charge you want to plead down to avoid jail? Tell the judge how sorry you are that you ever tried drugs and how you've learned your lesson and will never even look at controlled substances ever again. Bingo, no jail time, minimal fine, and your record gets expunged after you do your parole and community service hours. Just be sure not to get caught the next time, or hope you get a different judge...

(Of course, your defense lawyer is going to coach you on the right way to approach this, and will be happy for you (or, more likely given lawyers, herself) if it works.)