LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021

[UndyingDM]

'Get jobs in the renewable energy industry' they say. And yet:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-looks-abroad-electric-vehicle-metals-blow-us-miners-2021-05-25/

But hey, no more mean tweets amirite?

This is the perfect solution fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#:~:text=The%20perfect%20solution%20fallacy%20is,exist%20after%20it%20were%20implemented.&text=The%20fallacy%20is%20a%20type%20of%20false%20dilemma.

Just because there isn't a perfect solution doesn't mean we shouldn't try for a better solution. Coal, oil, and the other fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource that are polluting the environment and fueling climate change. Moving towards better options is the obviously better goal than no solution. What happens in other countries is an issue, but as the US is not in charge of other countries, it's harder to deal with issues there than in the US. Every liberal I know (including me) is against slavery and child labor, and want to create green-energy jobs in the US.

Stop with the fucking strawmen arguments, please. If you want to talk about a liberal's viewpoints, talk to a freaking liberal, not cherrypicking whatever news articles you want.

[oggsmash]

'Get jobs in the renewable energy industry' they say. And yet:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-looks-abroad-electric-vehicle-metals-blow-us-miners-2021-05-25/

But hey, no more mean tweets amirite?

This is the perfect solution fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#:~:text=The%20perfect%20solution%20fallacy%20is,exist%20after%20it%20were%20implemented.&text=The%20fallacy%20is%20a%20type%20of%20false%20dilemma.

Just because there isn't a perfect solution doesn't mean we shouldn't try for a better solution. Coal, oil, and the other fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource that are polluting the environment and fueling climate change. Moving towards better options is the obviously better goal than no solution. What happens in other countries is an issue, but as the US is not in charge of other countries, it's harder to deal with issues there than in the US. Every liberal I know (including me) is against slavery and child labor, and want to create green-energy jobs in the US.

Stop with the fucking strawmen arguments, please. If you want to talk about a liberal's viewpoints, talk to a freaking liberal, not cherrypicking whatever news articles you want.

     I think all those coal miners should simply #learntocode.   

[UndyingDM]

'Get jobs in the renewable energy industry' they say. And yet:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-looks-abroad-electric-vehicle-metals-blow-us-miners-2021-05-25/

But hey, no more mean tweets amirite?

This is the perfect solution fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#:~:text=The%20perfect%20solution%20fallacy%20is,exist%20after%20it%20were%20implemented.&text=The%20fallacy%20is%20a%20type%20of%20false%20dilemma.

Just because there isn't a perfect solution doesn't mean we shouldn't try for a better solution. Coal, oil, and the other fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource that are polluting the environment and fueling climate change. Moving towards better options is the obviously better goal than no solution. What happens in other countries is an issue, but as the US is not in charge of other countries, it's harder to deal with issues there than in the US. Every liberal I know (including me) is against slavery and child labor, and want to create green-energy jobs in the US.

Stop with the fucking strawmen arguments, please. If you want to talk about a liberal's viewpoints, talk to a freaking liberal, not cherrypicking whatever news articles you want.

     I think all those coal miners should simply #learntocode.

I think all those coal miners should stop digging up coal and that the government should help them get whatever other job they can (ideally in green energy). I'm assuming that you're being facetious here, but I'm totally serious.

[oggsmash]

'Get jobs in the renewable energy industry' they say. And yet:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-looks-abroad-electric-vehicle-metals-blow-us-miners-2021-05-25/

But hey, no more mean tweets amirite?

This is the perfect solution fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#:~:text=The%20perfect%20solution%20fallacy%20is,exist%20after%20it%20were%20implemented.&text=The%20fallacy%20is%20a%20type%20of%20false%20dilemma.

Just because there isn't a perfect solution doesn't mean we shouldn't try for a better solution. Coal, oil, and the other fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource that are polluting the environment and fueling climate change. Moving towards better options is the obviously better goal than no solution. What happens in other countries is an issue, but as the US is not in charge of other countries, it's harder to deal with issues there than in the US. Every liberal I know (including me) is against slavery and child labor, and want to create green-energy jobs in the US.

Stop with the fucking strawmen arguments, please. If you want to talk about a liberal's viewpoints, talk to a freaking liberal, not cherrypicking whatever news articles you want.

     I think all those coal miners should simply #learntocode.

I think all those coal miners should stop digging up coal and that the government should help them get whatever other job they can (ideally in green energy). I'm assuming that you're being facetious here, but I'm totally serious.

  I am simply agreeing with former POTUS Obama. 

[UndyingDM]

'Get jobs in the renewable energy industry' they say. And yet:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-looks-abroad-electric-vehicle-metals-blow-us-miners-2021-05-25/

But hey, no more mean tweets amirite?

This is the perfect solution fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#:~:text=The%20perfect%20solution%20fallacy%20is,exist%20after%20it%20were%20implemented.&text=The%20fallacy%20is%20a%20type%20of%20false%20dilemma.

Just because there isn't a perfect solution doesn't mean we shouldn't try for a better solution. Coal, oil, and the other fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource that are polluting the environment and fueling climate change. Moving towards better options is the obviously better goal than no solution. What happens in other countries is an issue, but as the US is not in charge of other countries, it's harder to deal with issues there than in the US. Every liberal I know (including me) is against slavery and child labor, and want to create green-energy jobs in the US.

Stop with the fucking strawmen arguments, please. If you want to talk about a liberal's viewpoints, talk to a freaking liberal, not cherrypicking whatever news articles you want.

     I think all those coal miners should simply #learntocode.

I think all those coal miners should stop digging up coal and that the government should help them get whatever other job they can (ideally in green energy). I'm assuming that you're being facetious here, but I'm totally serious.

  I am simply agreeing with former POTUS Obama.

If you say so.

[oggsmash]

'Get jobs in the renewable energy industry' they say. And yet:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-looks-abroad-electric-vehicle-metals-blow-us-miners-2021-05-25/

But hey, no more mean tweets amirite?

This is the perfect solution fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#:~:text=The%20perfect%20solution%20fallacy%20is,exist%20after%20it%20were%20implemented.&text=The%20fallacy%20is%20a%20type%20of%20false%20dilemma.

Just because there isn't a perfect solution doesn't mean we shouldn't try for a better solution. Coal, oil, and the other fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource that are polluting the environment and fueling climate change. Moving towards better options is the obviously better goal than no solution. What happens in other countries is an issue, but as the US is not in charge of other countries, it's harder to deal with issues there than in the US. Every liberal I know (including me) is against slavery and child labor, and want to create green-energy jobs in the US.

Stop with the fucking strawmen arguments, please. If you want to talk about a liberal's viewpoints, talk to a freaking liberal, not cherrypicking whatever news articles you want.

     I think all those coal miners should simply #learntocode.

I think all those coal miners should stop digging up coal and that the government should help them get whatever other job they can (ideally in green energy). I'm assuming that you're being facetious here, but I'm totally serious.

  I am simply agreeing with former POTUS Obama.

If you say so.

  He said it.  He however, alot like you, has zero fucking idea as to how much the nation relies on fossil fuels, and how incredibly painful it would be to "go green" and completely ignore Hydrogen fire plants or nuclear power.   That is, unless you have a background you are not sharing with Power generation/plants/electrical systems or some specialized knowledge.

[UndyingDM]

  He said it.  He however, alot like you, has zero fucking idea as to how much the nation relies on fossil fuels, and how incredibly painful it would be to "go green" and completely ignore Hydrogen fire plants or nuclear power.   That is, unless you have a background you are not sharing with Power generation/plants/electrical systems or some specialized knowledge.

I never said you didn't. I apologize, but I am not very good at picking up on subtleties. I was assuming you were mocking him, but it wasn't explicitly stated, so I was not sure if you were.

I know how much our nation relies on fossil fuels. I know that about 81% of our energy comes from fossil fuels, and that transitioning to renewable resources will be expensive, labor-intensive, difficult, and take a long time to come into effect. That's precisely why liberals aren't saying "we need to stop using 100% of our fossil fuels right now", and are instead saying "we need to make plans and execute them over the course of decades to slowly ease out the use of fossil fuels and ease in the use of green energy". Trying to paint "my side" as idiotic is a mischaracterization. I could just as easily paint your side as saying "We NeEd To UsE FoSsIl FuElS FOREVER, and OnCe ThEy RuN oUt AnD hAvE kIlLeD uS aLl, We WoN't HaVe To WoRrY aBoUt It AnYmOre". However, I don't do that unless provoked, because I know none of you have thought that hard about it.

You're also committing an inverse of the "Appeal to Authority fallacy", saying that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this matter because I don't have a background with electrical systems. I can have knowledge about a topic without having that been my job (I want to clarify that I'm not saying that their opinions are invalid, but I'm instead saying that my opinion is not invalidated by the fact that I'm not a professional in this field). I'm also assuming you don't have a background in that, in which case you would be a hypocrite for trying to denounce my opinion because it doesn't come from a professional (if you are a professional, ignore this last sentence).

Nuclear energy is another topic, but we do need a better solution to it than we have right now. It does less "short term" damage to the environment when compared to fossil fuels, but does more long term damage, and the use of it has been tied to racial discrimination (where Native American communities were in the area of nuclear-waste spills and the government did next-to-nothing to clean it up or warn them), and thus needs to be fixed.

[Ghostmaker]

'Get jobs in the renewable energy industry' they say. And yet:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-looks-abroad-electric-vehicle-metals-blow-us-miners-2021-05-25/

But hey, no more mean tweets amirite?

This is the perfect solution fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#:~:text=The%20perfect%20solution%20fallacy%20is,exist%20after%20it%20were%20implemented.&text=The%20fallacy%20is%20a%20type%20of%20false%20dilemma.

Just because there isn't a perfect solution doesn't mean we shouldn't try for a better solution. Coal, oil, and the other fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource that are polluting the environment and fueling climate change. Moving towards better options is the obviously better goal than no solution. What happens in other countries is an issue, but as the US is not in charge of other countries, it's harder to deal with issues there than in the US. Every liberal I know (including me) is against slavery and child labor, and want to create green-energy jobs in the US.

Stop with the fucking strawmen arguments, please. If you want to talk about a liberal's viewpoints, talk to a freaking liberal, not cherrypicking whatever news articles you want.

Well, I see someone's volunteered to be my chew toy. You gormless fucktard.

My comment was that despite Biden (and many other Democrat flunkies) blathering on about 'green jobs here in the U.S.'... they sure don't seem inclined to develop them. They'd rather throw money at foreign nations instead of putting our workforce to, y'know, work.

So basically they're going to murder entire industries, and then suffer brain damage and forget about all their promises of 'new jobs'.

I didn't say a thing about sustainability. Or perfect solutions. Only that the Democrats seem perfectly happy to fuck us in the ass.

But then, you like that, don't you?

[UndyingDM]

'Get jobs in the renewable energy industry' they say. And yet:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-looks-abroad-electric-vehicle-metals-blow-us-miners-2021-05-25/

But hey, no more mean tweets amirite?

This is the perfect solution fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#:~:text=The%20perfect%20solution%20fallacy%20is,exist%20after%20it%20were%20implemented.&text=The%20fallacy%20is%20a%20type%20of%20false%20dilemma.

Just because there isn't a perfect solution doesn't mean we shouldn't try for a better solution. Coal, oil, and the other fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource that are polluting the environment and fueling climate change. Moving towards better options is the obviously better goal than no solution. What happens in other countries is an issue, but as the US is not in charge of other countries, it's harder to deal with issues there than in the US. Every liberal I know (including me) is against slavery and child labor, and want to create green-energy jobs in the US.

Stop with the fucking strawmen arguments, please. If you want to talk about a liberal's viewpoints, talk to a freaking liberal, not cherrypicking whatever news articles you want.

Well, I see someone's volunteered to be my chew toy. You gormless fucktard.

My comment was that despite Biden (and many other Democrat flunkies) blathering on about 'green jobs here in the U.S.'... they sure don't seem inclined to develop them. They'd rather throw money at foreign nations instead of putting our workforce to, y'know, work.

So basically they're going to murder entire industries, and then suffer brain damage and forget about all their promises of 'new jobs'.

I didn't say a thing about sustainability. Or perfect solutions. Only that the Democrats seem perfectly happy to fuck us in the ass.

But then, you like that, don't you?

Ooh! I've never been called that before! That's new. It's also new to be so viciously personally attacked with no provocation. I've heard conservatives been called "Broflakes" before, but I didn't know it was so true (at least in this case). Not only is this post homophobic (see the "fucked in the ass" quote), but it's also ableist (I'm assuming that "fucktard"'s etymological roots are from "fuck" and "retard", and retard is a derogatory term used on those with mental conditions, most often ASD, roughly equivalent to the n-word for mental disorders/conditions). Nice to see you letting your bigoted roots show. Be who you are at the core.

Except, you know, the Biden's infrastructure bill and the Green New Deal, both of which propose ways to transition to green jobs. Here you go, if you are okay reading "liberal propoganda" like CNBC:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/12/experts-on-green-jobs-in-bidens-climate-infrastructure-bill.html
https://kleinmanenergy.upenn.edu/news-insights/the-green-new-deal-is-the-solution-to-the-jobs-issue/

I consider "fossil fuels" to be one "entire industry". And it's not so much "murder" as it is "putting down the out-of-control rabid dog before it kills us all".

[Brad]

Oh great...another Shareblue retard. Don't you clowns have some buildings to burn or something?

[UndyingDM]

Oh great...another Shareblue retard. Don't you clowns have some buildings to burn or something?

Your side seemed to have more than enough supplies for that when they raided the Capitol.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/alabama-man-charged-possession-eleven-molotov-cocktails-found-near-protest-us-capitol

"Retard" is an ableist term. Stop using it, please.

[oggsmash]

  He said it.  He however, alot like you, has zero fucking idea as to how much the nation relies on fossil fuels, and how incredibly painful it would be to "go green" and completely ignore Hydrogen fire plants or nuclear power.   That is, unless you have a background you are not sharing with Power generation/plants/electrical systems or some specialized knowledge.

I never said you didn't. I apologize, but I am not very good at picking up on subtleties. I was assuming you were mocking him, but it wasn't explicitly stated, so I was not sure if you were.

I know how much our nation relies on fossil fuels. I know that about 81% of our energy comes from fossil fuels, and that transitioning to renewable resources will be expensive, labor-intensive, difficult, and take a long time to come into effect. That's precisely why liberals aren't saying "we need to stop using 100% of our fossil fuels right now", and are instead saying "we need to make plans and execute them over the course of decades to slowly ease out the use of fossil fuels and ease in the use of green energy". Trying to paint "my side" as idiotic is a mischaracterization. I could just as easily paint your side as saying "We NeEd To UsE FoSsIl FuElS FOREVER, and OnCe ThEy RuN oUt AnD hAvE kIlLeD uS aLl, We WoN't HaVe To WoRrY aBoUt It AnYmOre". However, I don't do that unless provoked, because I know none of you have thought that hard about it.

You're also committing an inverse of the "Appeal to Authority fallacy", saying that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this matter because I don't have a background with electrical systems. I can have knowledge about a topic without having that been my job (I want to clarify that I'm not saying that their opinions are invalid, but I'm instead saying that my opinion is not invalidated by the fact that I'm not a professional in this field). I'm also assuming you don't have a background in that, in which case you would be a hypocrite for trying to denounce my opinion because it doesn't come from a professional (if you are a professional, ignore this last sentence).

Nuclear energy is another topic, but we do need a better solution to it than we have right now. It does less "short term" damage to the environment when compared to fossil fuels, but does more long term damage, and the use of it has been tied to racial discrimination (where Native American communities were in the area of nuclear-waste spills and the government did next-to-nothing to clean it up or warn them), and thus needs to be fixed.

   I am not a hypocrite, I do in fact have a background working in power systems (Nuclear power plant operator).  Nuclear power does not do more long term damage.  I am not appealing to authority, I am saying if you have no idea what you are talking about, maybe learn more.

[Pat]

   Honestly I am likely simply against any institution or power structure that grows too powerful/large.  I do not know what that is.

Remember when this was a liberal position?  Man those were better times...

No, I wasn't alive in the 1920s. Liberal in the US changed to pro big government in the 1920s as the brain trust types adopted European socialist philosophies, and it was cemented by the New Deal.

But to answer oggsmash: The political philosophies most associated with that are something like classic liberal (minarchist is basically a modern version), or libertarian (an-caps are the ones who take the philosophy to its natural extremes).

[oggsmash]

   Honestly I am likely simply against any institution or power structure that grows too powerful/large.  I do not know what that is.

Remember when this was a liberal position?  Man those were better times...

No, I wasn't alive in the 1920s. Liberal in the US changed to pro big government in the 1920s as the brain trust types adopted European socialist philosophies, and it was cemented by the New Deal.

But to answer oggsmash: The political philosophies most associated with that are something like classic liberal (minarchist is basically a modern version), or libertarian (an-caps are the ones who take the philosophy to its natural extremes).

   Well, I know, the problem is for the PEOPLE WHO LABEL THINGS NOW, they all call those ideologies far right as well.   It seems anything some people do not agree with is far right.

[Shasarak]

I think all those coal miners should stop digging up coal and that the government should help them get whatever other job they can (ideally in green energy). I'm assuming that you're being facetious here, but I'm totally serious.

I would take your argument much more seriously if you were not on here burning up that non-renewable coal produced energy.

Its like when people think that milk comes from the Supermarket.