Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[jhkim]

Here's the Daily Mail article being quoted:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html

I immediately note the bullshit clickbait headline that they "created" a virus, when the text makes clear that they are testing a virus that already exists in the pangolin population seven years ago. I don't know how to judge the research being done here currently, but the article does things like quoting a chemist on Twitter about what he thinks about the viral research. I'd be interested to see a reasoned analysis of the work.

I know that as a particle physicist, I would often get people angry and afraid, screaming about how dangerous it was to have nuclear testing going on in their own backyard -- like why didn't we just give up with bombing.

Studying radiation is not the same as creating a nuclear weapon, and studying naturally-occurring viruses is not the same as engineering bioweapons.

After being ground zero of a novel coronavirus, and having the spectre of unanswered questions about gain of function research, I'd think China would have the goddamn sense to lay off any virus research for a good long while.

The presumption here is that its inherently dangerous to scientifically studying things. Those damn scientists and their DNA and radioactivity and stuff. By this logic, after Chernobyl and Fukushima, scientists should have stopped nuclear research for a while, because nuclear research is dangerous.

I think this logic is flawed. Chernobyl was tragic, but even more tragic was the cover-up and lack of study. Ignorant action lead to an increase in deaths from the accident.

It is better to learn and design fixes rather than ignore potential dangers. I realize that opinions are all over about covid-19, and I'll say again that I'm not a virologist -- but in general, I think we have made huge gains from studying the causes of disasters and their effects on humans. We've gotten better at warning of earthquakes, predicting storms, and preparing for drought. We've identified lots of toxins, prompting things like ending leaded gasoline and lead-based paint.

Even for those who believe that covid-19 was an engineered bioweapon (say), I would think that they would want that studied and proven rather than just shrugging and giving up on science, saying that viruses shouldn't be studied.

[Grognard GM]

Don't worry boys and girls, the ChiCom are hard at work trying to bring the bio-apocalypse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUs82E_aEOQ&t=638s

Here's the Daily Mail article being quoted:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html

I immediately note the bullshit clickbait headline that they "created" a virus, when the text makes clear that they are testing a virus that already exists in the pangolin population seven years ago. I don't know how to judge the research being done here currently, but the article does things like quoting a chemist on Twitter about what he thinks about the viral research. I'd be interested to see a reasoned analysis of the work.

I know that as a particle physicist, I would often get people angry and afraid, screaming about how dangerous it was to have nuclear testing going on in their own backyard -- like why didn't we just give up with bombing.

Studying radiation is not the same as creating a nuclear weapon, and studying naturally-occurring viruses is not the same as engineering bioweapons.

After being ground zero of a novel coronavirus, and having the spectre of unanswered questions about gain of function research, I'd think China would have the goddamn sense to lay off any virus research for a good long while.

Why would they? World governments covered up for them, and they faced zero censure or financial sanctions.

[Eirikrautha]

Don't worry boys and girls, the ChiCom are hard at work trying to bring the bio-apocalypse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUs82E_aEOQ&t=638s

Here's the Daily Mail article being quoted:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html

I immediately note the bullshit clickbait headline that they "created" a virus, when the text makes clear that they are testing a virus that already exists in the pangolin population seven years ago. I don't know how to judge the research being done here currently, but the article does things like quoting a chemist on Twitter about what he thinks about the viral research. I'd be interested to see a reasoned analysis of the work.

I know that as a particle physicist, I would often get people angry and afraid, screaming about how dangerous it was to have nuclear testing going on in their own backyard -- like why didn't we just give up with bombing.

Studying radiation is not the same as creating a nuclear weapon, and studying naturally-occurring viruses is not the same as engineering bioweapons.

Once again, jhkim can't help buy lie in his presentation of the article and who commented on the research:

Professor Francois Balloux, an infectious disease expert based at University College London, wrote on Twitter (X): 'It's a terrible study, scientifically totally pointless.

'I can see nothing of vague interest that could be learned from force-infecting a weird breed of humanized mice with a random virus. Conversely, I could see how such stuff might go wrong...'

[Ratman_tf]

Here's the Daily Mail article being quoted:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html

I immediately note the bullshit clickbait headline that they "created" a virus, when the text makes clear that they are testing a virus that already exists in the pangolin population seven years ago. I don't know how to judge the research being done here currently, but the article does things like quoting a chemist on Twitter about what he thinks about the viral research. I'd be interested to see a reasoned analysis of the work.

I know that as a particle physicist, I would often get people angry and afraid, screaming about how dangerous it was to have nuclear testing going on in their own backyard -- like why didn't we just give up with bombing.

Studying radiation is not the same as creating a nuclear weapon, and studying naturally-occurring viruses is not the same as engineering bioweapons.

After being ground zero of a novel coronavirus, and having the spectre of unanswered questions about gain of function research, I'd think China would have the goddamn sense to lay off any virus research for a good long while.

The presumption here is that its inherently dangerous to scientifically studying things.

No, wrong again. The presumption is that the CCP and Chinese medical/scientific community are a bunch of incompetent, amoral assholes who should not be involved in scientific research of any kind.

[squirewaldo]

Here's the Daily Mail article being quoted:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html

I immediately note the bullshit clickbait headline that they "created" a virus, when the text makes clear that they are testing a virus that already exists in the pangolin population seven years ago. I don't know how to judge the research being done here currently, but the article does things like quoting a chemist on Twitter about what he thinks about the viral research. I'd be interested to see a reasoned analysis of the work.

I know that as a particle physicist, I would often get people angry and afraid, screaming about how dangerous it was to have nuclear testing going on in their own backyard -- like why didn't we just give up with bombing.

Studying radiation is not the same as creating a nuclear weapon, and studying naturally-occurring viruses is not the same as engineering bioweapons.

After being ground zero of a novel coronavirus, and having the spectre of unanswered questions about gain of function research, I'd think China would have the goddamn sense to lay off any virus research for a good long while.

The presumption here is that its inherently dangerous to scientifically studying things.

No, wrong again. The presumption is that the CCP and Chinese medical/scientific community are a bunch of incompetent, amoral assholes who should not be involved in scientific research of any kind.

Confused are you confusing the CCP with the US CDC and the US NIAID? Those were the guys paying all those incompetent Chinese researchers to do whatever it was they were doing. But what do I know?

[Ratman_tf]

Here's the Daily Mail article being quoted:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html

I immediately note the bullshit clickbait headline that they "created" a virus, when the text makes clear that they are testing a virus that already exists in the pangolin population seven years ago. I don't know how to judge the research being done here currently, but the article does things like quoting a chemist on Twitter about what he thinks about the viral research. I'd be interested to see a reasoned analysis of the work.

I know that as a particle physicist, I would often get people angry and afraid, screaming about how dangerous it was to have nuclear testing going on in their own backyard -- like why didn't we just give up with bombing.

Studying radiation is not the same as creating a nuclear weapon, and studying naturally-occurring viruses is not the same as engineering bioweapons.

After being ground zero of a novel coronavirus, and having the spectre of unanswered questions about gain of function research, I'd think China would have the goddamn sense to lay off any virus research for a good long while.

The presumption here is that its inherently dangerous to scientifically studying things.

No, wrong again. The presumption is that the CCP and Chinese medical/scientific community are a bunch of incompetent, amoral assholes who should not be involved in scientific research of any kind.

Confused are you confusing the CCP with the US CDC and the US NIAID? Those were the guys paying all those incompetent Chinese researchers to do whatever it was they were doing. But what do I know?

One acronym at a time... the list of people and organizations responsible for the mishandling of Covid is long. I'm focusing on China right now.

[jhkim]

Here's the Daily Mail article being quoted:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html

I immediately note the bullshit clickbait headline that they "created" a virus, when the text makes clear that they are testing a virus that already exists in the pangolin population seven years ago. I don't know how to judge the research being done here currently, but the article does things like quoting a chemist on Twitter about what he thinks about the viral research. I'd be interested to see a reasoned analysis of the work.

Once again, jhkim can't help buy lie in his presentation of the article and who commented on the research:

Professor Francois Balloux, an infectious disease expert based at University College London, wrote on Twitter (X): 'It's a terrible study, scientifically totally pointless.

'I can see nothing of vague interest that could be learned from force-infecting a weird breed of humanized mice with a random virus. Conversely, I could see how such stuff might go wrong...'

You immediately cut off the next sentence in the article. From the article:

Professor Francois Balloux, an infectious disease expert based at University College London, wrote on Twitter (X): 'It's a terrible study, scientifically totally pointless.

'I can see nothing of vague interest that could be learned from force-infecting a weird breed of humanized mice with a random virus. Conversely, I could see how such stuff might go wrong...'

Professor Richard Ebright, a chemist at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey, told DailyMail.com he wholeheartedly agreed with Professor Balloux's assessment.

He added: 'The preprint does not specify the biosafety level and biosafety precautions used for the research.

'The absence of this information raises the concerning possibility that part or all of this research, like the research in Wuhan in 2016-2019 that likely caused the Covid-19 pandemic, recklessly was performed without the minimal biosafety containment and practices essential for research with a potential pandemic pathogens.'

They grab a short quote from the Twitter feed of an infectious disease expert -- which criticizes the usefulness of the research, but says nothing specific about what would go wrong. They then interview a chemist to make specific claims about how viral research is unsafe.

They add to this a clickbait title that neither of them said - that the scientists created the pathogen.

To those who say this is just about the Chinese -- the same article cites the Daily Mail's previous supposed expose in Boston.

"EXCLUSIVE: 'This is playing with fire - it could spark a lab-generated pandemic': Experts slam Boston lab where scientists have created a new deadly Omicron strain with an 80% kill rate in mice"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11323677/Outrage-Boston-University-CREATES-Covid-strain-80-kill-rate.html

I feel that the Daily Mail is making clickbait fearmongering rather than reasoned assessment. It makes out as if it's totally obvious to anyone without any science training that this research is far too dangerous. I don't have an opinion at this point on what viral research is most important or what types are most useful. I'd want to know a lot more about viral research to have an opinion on it.

I would point to this Science article about the research done in Boston, which presents some varying opinions.

https://www.science.org/content/article/was-study-created-hybrid-covid-19-virus-too-risky

[squirewaldo]

Confused are you confusing the CCP with the US CDC and the US NIAID? Those were the guys paying all those incompetent Chinese researchers to do whatever it was they were doing. But what do I know?

One acronym at a time... the list of people and organizations responsible for the mishandling of Covid is long. I'm focusing on China right now.

Well I will focus on the people and organizations that can actually harm me and mine. The Chinese are too busy fucking with their own people. Amerikans!!!!@@ need to focus on the enemies within. But you be you boo!

[Brad]

Well I will focus on the people and organizations that can actually harm me and mine. The Chinese are too busy fucking with their own people. Amerikans!!!!@@ need to focus on the enemies within. But you be you boo!

Are you actually fucking retarded?

[squirewaldo]

Well I will focus on the people and organizations that can actually harm me and mine. The Chinese are too busy fucking with their own people. Amerikans!!!!@@ need to focus on the enemies within. But you be you boo!

Are you actually fucking retarded?

Boy, I can't get anything past your keen eyes. Hahahahahahahaha! What a brilliant debater you are!

[Ratman_tf]

Confused are you confusing the CCP with the US CDC and the US NIAID? Those were the guys paying all those incompetent Chinese researchers to do whatever it was they were doing. But what do I know?

One acronym at a time... the list of people and organizations responsible for the mishandling of Covid is long. I'm focusing on China right now.

Well I will focus on the people and organizations that can actually harm me and mine. The Chinese are too busy fucking with their own people. Amerikans!!!!@@ need to focus on the enemies within. But you be you boo!

Great for you. But the topic was the Chinese scientists doing more viral research on coronaviruses, so your tangent is irrelevant.

[squirewaldo]

Confused are you confusing the CCP with the US CDC and the US NIAID? Those were the guys paying all those incompetent Chinese researchers to do whatever it was they were doing. But what do I know?

One acronym at a time... the list of people and organizations responsible for the mishandling of Covid is long. I'm focusing on China right now.

Well I will focus on the people and organizations that can actually harm me and mine. The Chinese are too busy fucking with their own people. Amerikans!!!!@@ need to focus on the enemies within. But you be you boo!

Great for you. But the topic was the Chinese scientists doing more viral research on coronaviruses, so your tangent is irrelevant.

Is that what this whole thread was about? Wow! I didn't realize that. Thanks for letting me know! I guess I really am a retard!

[GeekyBugle]

Confused are you confusing the CCP with the US CDC and the US NIAID? Those were the guys paying all those incompetent Chinese researchers to do whatever it was they were doing. But what do I know?

One acronym at a time... the list of people and organizations responsible for the mishandling of Covid is long. I'm focusing on China right now.

Well I will focus on the people and organizations that can actually harm me and mine. The Chinese are too busy fucking with their own people. Amerikans!!!!@@ need to focus on the enemies within. But you be you boo!

As proven by the covid kerffufle....

You ARE retarded.

[GeekyBugle]

Here's the Daily Mail article being quoted:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html

I immediately note the bullshit clickbait headline that they "created" a virus, when the text makes clear that they are testing a virus that already exists in the pangolin population seven years ago. I don't know how to judge the research being done here currently, but the article does things like quoting a chemist on Twitter about what he thinks about the viral research. I'd be interested to see a reasoned analysis of the work.

Once again, jhkim can't help buy lie in his presentation of the article and who commented on the research:

Professor Francois Balloux, an infectious disease expert based at University College London, wrote on Twitter (X): 'It's a terrible study, scientifically totally pointless.

'I can see nothing of vague interest that could be learned from force-infecting a weird breed of humanized mice with a random virus. Conversely, I could see how such stuff might go wrong...'

You immediately cut off the next sentence in the article. From the article:

Professor Francois Balloux, an infectious disease expert based at University College London, wrote on Twitter (X): 'It's a terrible study, scientifically totally pointless.

'I can see nothing of vague interest that could be learned from force-infecting a weird breed of humanized mice with a random virus. Conversely, I could see how such stuff might go wrong...'

Professor Richard Ebright, a chemist at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey, told DailyMail.com he wholeheartedly agreed with Professor Balloux's assessment.

He added: 'The preprint does not specify the biosafety level and biosafety precautions used for the research.

'The absence of this information raises the concerning possibility that part or all of this research, like the research in Wuhan in 2016-2019 that likely caused the Covid-19 pandemic, recklessly was performed without the minimal biosafety containment and practices essential for research with a potential pandemic pathogens.'

They grab a short quote from the Twitter feed of an infectious disease expert -- which criticizes the usefulness of the research, but says nothing specific about what would go wrong. They then interview a chemist to make specific claims about how viral research is unsafe.

They add to this a clickbait title that neither of them said - that the scientists created the pathogen.

To those who say this is just about the Chinese -- the same article cites the Daily Mail's previous supposed expose in Boston.

"EXCLUSIVE: 'This is playing with fire - it could spark a lab-generated pandemic': Experts slam Boston lab where scientists have created a new deadly Omicron strain with an 80% kill rate in mice"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11323677/Outrage-Boston-University-CREATES-Covid-strain-80-kill-rate.html

I feel that the Daily Mail is making clickbait fearmongering rather than reasoned assessment. It makes out as if it's totally obvious to anyone without any science training that this research is far too dangerous. I don't have an opinion at this point on what viral research is most important or what types are most useful. I'd want to know a lot more about viral research to have an opinion on it.

I would point to this Science article about the research done in Boston, which presents some varying opinions.

https://www.science.org/content/article/was-study-created-hybrid-covid-19-virus-too-risky

Are you saying the Chemist concerns are unfounded? Or are you saying we shouldn't listen to him because he's a lowly chemist?

Here I was thinking we all knew the ChiCom labs ARE known for their shoddy security, as proven by the covid pandemic.

Or maybe you're so used to defflection you just do it without even thinking?

[Ratman_tf]

Confused are you confusing the CCP with the US CDC and the US NIAID? Those were the guys paying all those incompetent Chinese researchers to do whatever it was they were doing. But what do I know?

One acronym at a time... the list of people and organizations responsible for the mishandling of Covid is long. I'm focusing on China right now.

Well I will focus on the people and organizations that can actually harm me and mine. The Chinese are too busy fucking with their own people. Amerikans!!!!@@ need to focus on the enemies within. But you be you boo!

Great for you. But the topic was the Chinese scientists doing more viral research on coronaviruses, so your tangent is irrelevant.

Is that what this whole thread was about? Wow! I didn't realize that. Thanks for letting me know! I guess I really am a retard!

I didn't say the whole thread. You replied to my reply about the Chinese doing more viral research.