Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Scooter]

They can build these little utopian villages all they want as long as they don't steal or confiscate anyone's land to do so. Some people like to live rural with the freedom to move around as they please, which isn't a bad thing either. I reckon if they leave country folk and farmers alone then the country folks won't have an issue with their little cities.

In European countries in general there isn't a recognition of inalienable human rights. So they don't see it as stealing as that would imply a right to ones own property...

[Kiero]

A conspiracy of things being convenient? Lets look at the list of things,

Bus Stop
Post Box
Pharmacy
GP Surgery
Park
Primary School
Convenience Store
Nursery
Supermarket
Bank

Which of these do you want to be inconvenient for you to access? l want to dive deeper but there's no depth here at all. Is having a local park, primary school and GP a short walk from your house an indication of an oppressive world government stamping its boot on your face?

You're actually being bad at the conspiracy stuff now. You shouldn't be providing this as evidence of the conspiracy but as an example of how their luring the sheeple are being lured in with promises of access to nurseries and supermarkets. Stupid sheeple wanting stuff nearby that will only lead to, well what?

This is where you point out that this is to contain them so they can't travel anywhere because the Conspiracy doesn't want them to travel, for reasons. Reasons!

I'm at a bit of a loss on the next step and I'm not buying a book you haven't to find out so I'll hand it over to you. Why is having a nursery a short walk from your home a bad thing?

I don't believe you are legitimately this dim. Which is why I tend to assume you're being disingenuous.

On planet Earth, there is a country called China. It is a very large country with a huge population and an authoritarian government which likes to control what it's citizens do. This matters to us because they are being used as a model of how our society should be structured by the people who have power.

In China, you are not allowed to leave your designated zone unless your Social Credit score is above a certain level. The entire purpose of 15 minute cities is not to ensure convenience for the citizen, but to enable control of the movement of those citizens by the state. Once it is locked in, you will no longer have freedom of movement to go about as you like, but will instead require authorisation.

If you looked any further than the end of your nose, you'd see the implications of all of this crap being foisted on us.

[Kiero]

In European countries in general there isn't a recognition of inalienable human rights. So they don't see it as stealing as that would imply a right to ones own property...

Most of continental Europe operates on the assumptions of the Code Napoleon and the civil law. The most basic assumption of that system is that everything that is not permitted is forbidden. There are no inalienable rights, because all rights are expressly and explicitly granted by law.

The UK and many places formerly colonised by us instead operate under the common law. The assumption is reversed, everything not forbidden is permitted. In other words the default state is one of freedom, not control. It is no coincidence that since our membership of the EU, there has been an ever-increasing preponderance of legislation which operate as the civil law does, describing what we are allowed to do, rather than what we are not allowed to do.

[Scooter]

In European countries in general there isn't a recognition of inalienable human rights. So they don't see it as stealing as that would imply a right to ones own property...

Most of continental Europe operates on

Yes.  They never quite made to the age of enlightenment...

[GeekyBugle]

A conspiracy of things being convenient? Lets look at the list of things,

Bus Stop
Post Box
Pharmacy
GP Surgery
Park
Primary School
Convenience Store
Nursery
Supermarket
Bank

Which of these do you want to be inconvenient for you to access? l want to dive deeper but there's no depth here at all. Is having a local park, primary school and GP a short walk from your house an indication of an oppressive world government stamping its boot on your face?

You're actually being bad at the conspiracy stuff now. You shouldn't be providing this as evidence of the conspiracy but as an example of how their luring the sheeple are being lured in with promises of access to nurseries and supermarkets. Stupid sheeple wanting stuff nearby that will only lead to, well what?

This is where you point out that this is to contain them so they can't travel anywhere because the Conspiracy doesn't want them to travel, for reasons. Reasons!

I'm at a bit of a loss on the next step and I'm not buying a book you haven't to find out so I'll hand it over to you. Why is having a nursery a short walk from your home a bad thing?

I don't believe you are legitimately this dim. Which is why I tend to assume you're being disingenuous.

On planet Earth, there is a country called China. It is a very large country with a huge population and an authoritarian government which likes to control what it's citizens do. This matters to us because they are being used as a model of how our society should be structured by the people who have power.

In China, you are not allowed to leave your designated zone unless your Social Credit score is above a certain level. The entire purpose of 15 minute cities is not to ensure convenience for the citizen, but to enable control of the movement of those citizens by the state. Once it is locked in, you will no longer have freedom of movement to go about as you like, but will instead require authorisation.

If you looked any further than the end of your nose, you'd see the implications of all of this crap being foisted on us.

You're assuming (wrongly IMNSHO) that his position is due to ignorance and not malice.

Of course it could be that he thinks living under the CCP UK division is something desirable and that will improve the people's lifes, but "by their fruits ye shall know them".

[Garry G]

A conspiracy of things being convenient? Lets look at the list of things,

Bus Stop
Post Box
Pharmacy
GP Surgery
Park
Primary School
Convenience Store
Nursery
Supermarket
Bank

Which of these do you want to be inconvenient for you to access? l want to dive deeper but there's no depth here at all. Is having a local park, primary school and GP a short walk from your house an indication of an oppressive world government stamping its boot on your face?

You're actually being bad at the conspiracy stuff now. You shouldn't be providing this as evidence of the conspiracy but as an example of how their luring the sheeple are being lured in with promises of access to nurseries and supermarkets. Stupid sheeple wanting stuff nearby that will only lead to, well what?

This is where you point out that this is to contain them so they can't travel anywhere because the Conspiracy doesn't want them to travel, for reasons. Reasons!

I'm at a bit of a loss on the next step and I'm not buying a book you haven't to find out so I'll hand it over to you. Why is having a nursery a short walk from your home a bad thing?

I don't believe you are legitimately this dim. Which is why I tend to assume you're being disingenuous.

On planet Earth, there is a country called China. It is a very large country with a huge population and an authoritarian government which likes to control what it's citizens do. This matters to us because they are being used as a model of how our society should be structured by the people who have power.

In China, you are not allowed to leave your designated zone unless your Social Credit score is above a certain level. The entire purpose of 15 minute cities is not to ensure convenience for the citizen, but to enable control of the movement of those citizens by the state. Once it is locked in, you will no longer have freedom of movement to go about as you like, but will instead require authorisation.

If you looked any further than the end of your nose, you'd see the implications of all of this crap being foisted on us.

Okay let me try to get this through my thick head. My kids primary school is an easy 10 minute walk from my house and because of this I

So let me try to get this through my thick head. My kids school being a 10 minute walk away means I'm being oppressed like in China? Your local council asking if you'd like a convenient post office just down the road is them oppressing you like in China? Stuff being convenient so we can just walk there is locking us in our local communities until one day I won't be able to dive travel somewhere to see a gig, visit friends or just hang out?

I'm not saying that this isn't possible but it seems a wee bit improbable. Can you think of an alternative reason why they're asking these questions. Let's have a thought experiment on those alternatives, can you think of any?

[Garry G]

A conspiracy of things being convenient? Lets look at the list of things,

Bus Stop
Post Box
Pharmacy
GP Surgery
Park
Primary School
Convenience Store
Nursery
Supermarket
Bank

Which of these do you want to be inconvenient for you to access? l want to dive deeper but there's no depth here at all. Is having a local park, primary school and GP a short walk from your house an indication of an oppressive world government stamping its boot on your face?

You're actually being bad at the conspiracy stuff now. You shouldn't be providing this as evidence of the conspiracy but as an example of how their luring the sheeple are being lured in with promises of access to nurseries and supermarkets. Stupid sheeple wanting stuff nearby that will only lead to, well what?

This is where you point out that this is to contain them so they can't travel anywhere because the Conspiracy doesn't want them to travel, for reasons. Reasons!

I'm at a bit of a loss on the next step and I'm not buying a book you haven't to find out so I'll hand it over to you. Why is having a nursery a short walk from your home a bad thing?

I don't believe you are legitimately this dim. Which is why I tend to assume you're being disingenuous.

On planet Earth, there is a country called China. It is a very large country with a huge population and an authoritarian government which likes to control what it's citizens do. This matters to us because they are being used as a model of how our society should be structured by the people who have power.

In China, you are not allowed to leave your designated zone unless your Social Credit score is above a certain level. The entire purpose of 15 minute cities is not to ensure convenience for the citizen, but to enable control of the movement of those citizens by the state. Once it is locked in, you will no longer have freedom of movement to go about as you like, but will instead require authorisation.

If you looked any further than the end of your nose, you'd see the implications of all of this crap being foisted on us.

You're assuming (wrongly IMNSHO) that his position is due to ignorance and not malice.

Of course it could be that he thinks living under the CCP UK division is something desirable and that will improve the people's lifes, but "by their fruits ye shall know them".

You can join in Geekybugle. Can you envision any other reason for having a local nursery other than marxism?

[Kiero]

Okay let me try to get this through my thick head. My kids primary school is an easy 10 minute walk from my house and because of this I

So let me try to get this through my thick head. My kids school being a 10 minute walk away means I'm being oppressed like in China? Your local council asking if you'd like a convenient post office just down the road is them oppressing you like in China? Stuff being convenient so we can just walk there is locking us in our local communities until one day I won't be able to dive travel somewhere to see a gig, visit friends or just hang out?

I'm not saying that this isn't possible but it seems a wee bit improbable. Can you think of an alternative reason why they're asking these questions. Let's have a thought experiment on those alternatives, can you think of any?

It's got nothing to do with your convenience, it's about curtailing your movement. Those amenities in your zone will be the only ones you're allowed to use, whether you like them or not.

Visiting friends outside your zone? What's your Social Credit score, Citizen? Did you express an un-approved opinion online recently - that's -50 points for you.

They're not asking because they give a fuck, they're asking to try to legitimise the imposition of this without any consultation. Because whenever there's been a consultation, it's been rejected (see Oxford). Which they promptly ignored and carried on anyway.

[Scooter]

Okay let me try to get this through my thick head. My kids primary school is an easy 10 minute walk from my house and because of this I

So let me try to get this through my thick head. My kids school being a 10 minute walk away means I'm being oppressed like in China? Your local council asking if you'd like a convenient post office just down the road is them oppressing you like in China? Stuff being convenient so we can just walk there is locking us in our local communities until one day I won't be able to dive travel somewhere to see a gig, visit friends or just hang out?

I'm not saying that this isn't possible but it seems a wee bit improbable. Can you think of an alternative reason why they're asking these questions. Let's have a thought experiment on those alternatives, can you think of any?

It's got nothing to do with your convenience, it's about curtailing your movement. Those amenities in your zone will be the only ones you're allowed to use, whether you like them or not.

Visiting friends outside your zone? What's your Social Credit score, Citizen? Did you express an un-approved opinion online recently - that's -50 points for you.

They're not asking because they give a fuck, they're asking to try to legitimise the imposition of this without any consultation. Because whenever there's been a consultation, it's been rejected (see Oxford). Which they promptly ignored and carried on anyway.

There were over 3,000 people arrested in Britain for social media posts in 2019 alone.  This was for offensive posts or posts that caused people to feel uncomfortable.

There are multiple cases where social media users were arrested and jailed for years just because of one single click spreading misinformation or hate speech. In the UK, 114,958 hate crimes were recorded by police between March 2020 and March 2021, about 4,000 resulted in imprisonment.

[Garry G]

A conspiracy of things being convenient? Lets look at the list of things,

Bus Stop
Post Box
Pharmacy
GP Surgery
Park
Primary School
Convenience Store
Nursery
Supermarket
Bank

Which of these do you want to be inconvenient for you to access? l want to dive deeper but there's no depth here at all. Is having a local park, primary school and GP a short walk from your house an indication of an oppressive world government stamping its boot on your face?

You're actually being bad at the conspiracy stuff now. You shouldn't be providing this as evidence of the conspiracy but as an example of how their luring the sheeple are being lured in with promises of access to nurseries and supermarkets. Stupid sheeple wanting stuff nearby that will only lead to, well what?

This is where you point out that this is to contain them so they can't travel anywhere because the Conspiracy doesn't want them to travel, for reasons. Reasons!

I'm at a bit of a loss on the next step and I'm not buying a book you haven't to find out so I'll hand it over to you. Why is having a nursery a short walk from your home a bad thing?

I don't believe you are legitimately this dim. Which is why I tend to assume you're being disingenuous.

On planet Earth, there is a country called China. It is a very large country with a huge population and an authoritarian government which likes to control what it's citizens do. This matters to us because they are being used as a model of how our society should be structured by the people who have power.

In China, you are not allowed to leave your designated zone unless your Social Credit score is above a certain level. The entire purpose of 15 minute cities is not to ensure convenience for the citizen, but to enable control of the movement of those citizens by the state. Once it is locked in, you will no longer have freedom of movement to go about as you like, but will instead require authorisation.

If you looked any further than the end of your nose, you'd see the implications of all of this crap being foisted on us.

You're assuming (wrongly IMNSHO) that his position is due to ignorance and not malice.

Of course it could be that he thinks living under the CCP UK division is something desirable and that will improve the people's lifes, but "by their fruits ye shall know them".

TI was going to say this is interesting but then I realised it's only interesting because it's so weird. Are you saying that I'm somehow part of the international conspiracy or that I'm just happy because I think a CCP style government in the UK would be a good thing? It's a bigger step than Keiro thinking I'm just an idiot who can't see how all the threads on his whiteboard connect to show how his barmy theory works.

I am probably a Marxist in your eyes what with my belief in universal healthcare, mixed economies and decent social security, all pretty weak sauce leftism in my opinion, but the jump to me being some agent of China is really pretty weird. Can you unpack it a bit for me?

[Garry G]

Okay let me try to get this through my thick head. My kids primary school is an easy 10 minute walk from my house and because of this I

So let me try to get this through my thick head. My kids school being a 10 minute walk away means I'm being oppressed like in China? Your local council asking if you'd like a convenient post office just down the road is them oppressing you like in China? Stuff being convenient so we can just walk there is locking us in our local communities until one day I won't be able to dive travel somewhere to see a gig, visit friends or just hang out?

I'm not saying that this isn't possible but it seems a wee bit improbable. Can you think of an alternative reason why they're asking these questions. Let's have a thought experiment on those alternatives, can you think of any?

It's got nothing to do with your convenience, it's about curtailing your movement. Those amenities in your zone will be the only ones you're allowed to use, whether you like them or not.

Visiting friends outside your zone? What's your Social Credit score, Citizen? Did you express an un-approved opinion online recently - that's -50 points for you.

They're not asking because they give a fuck, they're asking to try to legitimise the imposition of this without any consultation. Because whenever there's been a consultation, it's been rejected (see Oxford). Which they promptly ignored and carried on anyway.

I'm not convinced. You're argument remains that it's obvious and anybody not agreeing with you is an idiot for reasons without digging any deeper. We can all agree that China has a despotic state that nobody wants to see copied in other nations, in fact our own countries leaders who are fuckwits agree that China is a despotic state that nobody wants to see copies in other nations. Your interpretation of events is extreme and needs a bit more than stating anybody who disagrees is stupid.

It's more than that though Keiro. If it was a single conspiracy theory I'd be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt but you've signed up to all of them. There's no simple reason for anything that happens, it's all some overarching bullshit, I don't like that because it affects our ability to engage over anything. There's no nuance and I have to admit it means I can't talk to you when I see that facts have been uncovered that change my mind over smaller things that still don't mean that there's a giant conspiracy. The rabbit hole isn't good for any of us.

[Kiero]

I'm not convinced. You're argument remains that it's obvious and anybody not agreeing with you is an idiot for reasons without digging any deeper. We can all agree that China has a despotic state that nobody wants to see copied in other nations, in fact our own countries leaders who are fuckwits agree that China is a despotic state that nobody wants to see copies in other nations. Your interpretation of events is extreme and needs a bit more than stating anybody who disagrees is stupid.

It's more than that though Keiro. If it was a single conspiracy theory I'd be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt but you've signed up to all of them. There's no simple reason for anything that happens, it's all some overarching bullshit, I don't like that because it affects our ability to engage over anything. There's no nuance and I have to admit it means I can't talk to you when I see that facts have been uncovered that change my mind over smaller things that still don't mean that there's a giant conspiracy. The rabbit hole isn't good for any of us.

You're the frog in the pot who can't tell the water is heating up around him. Good luck.

[oggsmash]

  I think one of the problems around seeing things governments have done and admitted to in the past makes it clear that the stuff they have been caught for shows they will do anything.  Given the same sorts of terrible people run governments today as in bygone days when they did terrible shit they admitted to later means they are still going to do terrible shit, the admitting to is the part in question, not what they are capable of. 

    These people are running ant farms and only care about the overall condition of the colony (meaning if a bunch of ants die they do not give a shit as long as they get what they want from the colony) not the lives and quality of experience of the ants.  Trusting in government at this point has become its own religion, the people who do it are simply unwilling to veer from their god.   Some may even be willing to be sacrifices to that god. 

[Garry G]

I'm not convinced. You're argument remains that it's obvious and anybody not agreeing with you is an idiot for reasons without digging any deeper. We can all agree that China has a despotic state that nobody wants to see copied in other nations, in fact our own countries leaders who are fuckwits agree that China is a despotic state that nobody wants to see copies in other nations. Your interpretation of events is extreme and needs a bit more than stating anybody who disagrees is stupid.

It's more than that though Keiro. If it was a single conspiracy theory I'd be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt but you've signed up to all of them. There's no simple reason for anything that happens, it's all some overarching bullshit, I don't like that because it affects our ability to engage over anything. There's no nuance and I have to admit it means I can't talk to you when I see that facts have been uncovered that change my mind over smaller things that still don't mean that there's a giant conspiracy. The rabbit hole isn't good for any of us.

You're the frog in the pot who can't tell the water is heating up around him. Good luck.

I know, you're a wild eyed loner standing at the gates of Oblivion on the last freedom moped out of Nowhere city and you haven't even told your parents that what time you'll be back.

Given that there's no nuance, no possibility that anything you declare as obvious fact can be wrong, what's you're next step? I see people taking action over stuff like the climate crisis. I know you disagree with them but what you're presenting is clearly just as much of an existential threat so what are you doing? You're clearly not trying to convince people who disagree.

[Scooter]

I see people taking action over stuff like the climate crisis.

What kind of idiots think they can change natural Earth cycles?  "Taking action"?