Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[KindaMeh]

Also, I'm not really sure how to explain this but something kinda just struck my flow of consciousness so I'm gonna go with it. If this had been a real plague like most Dems were spooked into believing, this was probably roughly the response that would make sense, minus the disruption of religion and protest, and minus political discrimination. Centuries of precedent and constitutional understanding does grant the federal government control over interstate commerce and state governments the ability to for example regulate or even disrupt forms of intrastate commerce for purposes of public health among other things. So they can indeed, and  perhaps even arguably should, take similar kinds of action during an actual plague or the like. I would argue they overstepped, but moreso morally and with respect to threat assessment. I.E. not a country-threatening plague. Also, there's like a 90% chance these people were drinking their own Koolaid, so many were probably ignorant or impaired in judgement to some degree or another. Is it really coincidence that those listening to blue media in positions of power acted as the information provided by that media implied they should? I think a lot of politicians may have actually bought the shit they were selling, which while disturbing and hard to believe might explain a lot.

[Scooter]

but they arguably had the legal right to do most of it,

WRONG!  Cite the law(s) or admit that you are just pulling lies out of your ass.  (hint) there are NO suck laws

[KindaMeh]

but they arguably had the legal right to do most of it,

WRONG!  Cite the law(s) or admit that you are just pulling lies out of your ass.  (hint) there are NO suck laws

Being that the courts, which especially the Supreme Court currently trend red, let stand at state and local and national level many such actions over centuries at even many (but not all) of those enacted during Covid specifically, try again chief. Burden's on you to prove the legal system and legal experts were incorrect in their interpretation of law. That said, I would love it were they wrong on many of these instances, so good luck in principle.

[Scooter]

but they arguably had the legal right to do most of it,

WRONG!  Cite the law(s) or admit that you are just pulling lies out of your ass.  (hint) there are NO suck laws

Being that the courts,

Irrelevant blathering.  Cite the law or admit stoopidity

[Scooter]

Being that the courts,

Irrelevant blathering.  Cite the law or admit stoopidity

Thanks for admitting it.  That is the first step ya know

[KindaMeh]

You really should give folks time to reply, and I kinda feel like you ignored what I have posted. As you have yet to genuinely reply to my points, I can only let them stand on their own.

Precedent and legal rulings, delivered by the right and not just the left, regulation of insterstate commerce at the federal level constitutionally, and broad state powers that exceed them within the states in question both in commerce and elsewhere. See also emergency public health laws and powers granted by said states to relevant agencies, and more. If you have a counterargument, I would genuinely be happy to hear it, as noted earlier.

[Scooter]

You really should give folks time to reply,

But still no law cited.  You are an idiot

[Kiero]

Actually, I think Ratman's right. They screwed up, and chose to keep screwing up in part because it served their interests and granted them power, but they arguably had the legal right to do most of it, especially early on when not much was known and it was Trump doing it. Likewise media, while morally corrupt in many cases, can and does say what it likes thanks to free speech, whether it's promoting the ideology of FOX or CNN. (Both of which got a lot of things wrong about Covid.) A caveat being that this incident involved big tech censorship, as noted by Ratman and encouraged by partisanship. As well as religious, assembly, and political discrimination issues that were seldom properly addressed. But more to the point hanging doesn't solve jack shit, just devolves things into murdering folks we disagree with.

Nope, not a screw up, a deliberate overreach that they couldn't believe they got away with. That people were so pathetic and spineless to just do as they were told.

Helps that they bought the media at the start in this country (and probably elsewhere, too). Look at how all the news channels in the US are "sponsored by Pfizer". You think they'd speak out against their paymasters?

They were aping the response of the Chinese authorities, thinking they'd get pushback and were surprised when there was virtually none. Which has set the pattern for any future "pandemics" under the WHO Treaty which hasn't even been debated as everyone signed up to it.

[KindaMeh]

You really should give folks time to reply,

But still no law cited.  You are an idiot

I referenced a lot actually, including the interstate commerce clause of the constitution and even greater powers being granted to the states through the constitution. Also practically every state and locality having long-standing specific emergency health laws and powers. And I referenced court precedent even during the pandemic which you could not possibly be blind to. I genuinely don't get why you aren't taking the opportunity to make your own points clear or responding to what I have said. Nor the hostility all told. Would legit like to hear a case made contrary.

If I myself were doing it I'd likely make reference to freedom of religion and assembly for protests and churches and so forth, and political discrimination for specific instances. But that's just me.

[Ratman_tf]

Lockdowns extending far beyond their useful time frames, and far outside their scope of usefulness.

Get real.  AL the lock downs were completely illegal and a HUGE criminal action.  All involved should be hanged.

At the time, I considered them warranted. A virus with unknown lethality and transmissibility. Two weeks was a small ask.
In hindsight, it was the proverbial inch, and if I had my way, the CDC, FDA and the entire US government would be ejected into the sun over Covid.

[Kiero]

At the time, I considered them warranted. A virus with unknown lethality and transmissibility. Two weeks was a small ask.
In hindsight, it was the proverbial inch, and if I had my way, the CDC, FDA and the entire US government would be ejected into the sun over Covid.

At the time we knew it was bollocks, see the outbreak on the Diamond Princess.

[Ratman_tf]

At the time, I considered them warranted. A virus with unknown lethality and transmissibility. Two weeks was a small ask.
In hindsight, it was the proverbial inch, and if I had my way, the CDC, FDA and the entire US government would be ejected into the sun over Covid.

At the time we knew it was bollocks, see the outbreak on the Diamond Princess.

Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what the Diamond Princess outbreak is supposed to illustrate.

[Kiero]

Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what the Diamond Princess outbreak is supposed to illustrate.

Cruise liner filled with mostly old, infirm people, all at close quarters and sharing the same air. Long before there were jabs (not that they work anyway) and hardly anyone died. None of the crew died (median age 36).

It told us covid was nothing more than a bad seasonal bug, and not even that bad compared to other outbreaks. Also that younger and healthier people were not even remotely at risk.

[Kiero]

None of those videos actually say anything. The first is the most interesting, and possibly the most damning, but really is about politicians talking in a global world and if we're talking about the power of the illuminati lets think about  see how the Putin mention looks now.

I have no interest in the Royal Family and their opinions shouldn't matter.

Weirdly enough I think Stalmer is right. If the party in power has enough seats they can pretty much do what they like so the next step is international diplomacy.

This isn't interesting, let alone convincing. You represent an incredible extreme in British politics so the onus is on you to convince others. Is this all you've got?

You're only looking at the content itself, which is half of the problem. I was showing them as examples of WEF ideology being out in the public domain, no "secret conspiracy" at all. And examples of how influential they are - I couldn't care less about the royal family, but you can't get more Establishment than them.

They're not about "politicians talking in a global world" they're about the elites cutting everyone else out of decisionmaking altogether while they settle everything to their liking. Which we saw clear as day during the fake pandemic, but apparently you saw nothing at all.

How can you not be horrified by Captain Hindsight saying he prefers unelected billionaires to doing his job as a representative of our democracy? Not that we really have it here, probably haven't done since kiddie fiddler Wilson took his bung to rig the 1975 referendum on EEC membership.

Not that politicians matter nowadays anyway, power is with the permanent Establishment - the civil service, judiciary, law enforcement, media. And they're all on board with the WEF's agenda. Politicians are managers who do as they're told in the hopes of preferment when they leave office. No one who isn't either corrupt or compromised is allowed anywhere near power. All your wittering about Bojo did X is as meaningless as all of the rest of the puppets in Westminster.

[Ratman_tf]

Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what the Diamond Princess outbreak is supposed to illustrate.

Cruise liner filled with mostly old, infirm people, all at close quarters and sharing the same air. Long before there were jabs (not that they work anyway) and hardly anyone died. None of the crew died (median age 36).

It told us covid was nothing more than a bad seasonal bug, and not even that bad compared to other outbreaks. Also that younger and healthier people were not even remotely at risk.

I see. I think I disagree, in that one instance does not provide enough data to make a definitive assesment. In hindsight, it matches what we know now.