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Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

Started by Spinachcat, August 02, 2021, 11:31:32 PM

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GeekyBugle

Quote from: Scooter on August 14, 2023, 03:23:42 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 14, 2023, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 14, 2023, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 14, 2023, 12:00:12 PM
Get enough outrage built up, and Congress will alter the deal -- or a judge will -- and they won't care what Big Pharma's lawyers say.

Congress cannot alter the deal. "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."
In regard to enforcement of said law.


Nope, in the existing law they are exempt.  The prior law being overridden by the latest law. Congress cannot unexempt them for what already happened.

This is a common thing, no new law can be applied retroactively unless it benefits those it's being applied to.

Take for instance a new law that gives the death penalty to rapists, it will only apply to new cases, those already judged are still under the previous law.

Something that's a valid principle in most civilized countries (if not all).
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Scooter

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 14, 2023, 04:55:20 PM

Something that's a valid principle in most civilized countries (if not all).

Nope, The UK, Australia, Denmark, France, Hungary,  Israel, Lithuania, and some others I can't recall right now allow ex post facto laws to full or partial degree. European countries tend towards using lex mitior

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Ratman_tf

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 14, 2023, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 14, 2023, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 14, 2023, 12:00:12 PM
Get enough outrage built up, and Congress will alter the deal -- or a judge will -- and they won't care what Big Pharma's lawyers say.

Congress cannot alter the deal. "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."
In regard to enforcement of said law.

The problem is that this won't be enforcement. This will be civil actions brought by people or their estates. As far as I am aware that doesn't trip the ex post facto limitation.

(I'm not even getting into the increasingly Calvinball nature of our legal frameworks, either.)

I can't wait to see what dodgy shenanigan the government gets up to, to discourage pursuing such lawsuits.
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Scooter

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 15, 2023, 04:41:40 AM

I can't wait to see what dodgy shenanigan the government gets up to, to discourage pursuing such lawsuits.

It is illegal to pursue such lawsuits.  Nothing more does the gov need to do.
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Eirikrautha

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Quote from: Scooter on August 15, 2023, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 15, 2023, 04:41:40 AM

I can't wait to see what dodgy shenanigan the government gets up to, to discourage pursuing such lawsuits.

It is illegal to pursue such lawsuits.  Nothing more does the gov need to do.

Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you are talking about.

It is not "illegal" (a violation of criminal statutes) to file a civil case against the vax manufacturers.  Congress passed a law indemnifying the vax manufacturers from civil penalties based on vaccination injuries as specified in the legislation.  This is a defense against a civil suit (and usually results in a quick dismissal by the judge); it does not preclude the filing of the suit.  In fact, whether or not a particular case falls within the purview of the indemnity is itself a matter that can be litigated (intentional or willful negligence is not covered, as a recent federal court declared).  There's no way to know if the circumstances are beyond the scope of the legislation without litigation!  Now, an attorney who continues to file similar cases after those cases have been summarily dismissed can be sanctioned for wasting the court's time.  But there is no criminal statute that prevents filing a civil suit against the vax manufacturers.  You need to cite the federal CRIMINAL code that does so.

Scooter

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 15, 2023, 04:03:00 PM

It is not "illegal" (a violation of criminal statutes)  is no criminal statute that prevents filing a civil suit against the vax manufacturers.  You need to cite the federal CRIMINAL code that does so.

Learn English.  Illegal means AGAINST THE LAW.  Not necessarily a criminal act but ILLEGAL.

Would you like a link to some ESL classes?
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Brad

Quote from: Garry G on August 14, 2023, 01:39:42 PM
It's certainly a question that I can work out once we dispense the injecting myself bit. I've been given two injections, I didn't grab the needle and put it in myself, and there have been concerns over the early stuff. I didn't go for the bleach cure cos that seemed a bit dodgy.

LOL @ this fucking answer..."It wasn't me, it was someone else doing it. Also, I am possibly concerned, and I didn't use bleach TRUMP!!!!"

What the literal fuck, man? Just admit you're a fucking rube who was duped by the government; no one did anything but yourself.

Further, you can sue anyone anytime you want, for any reason, in the US...so I have no idea what this "it's illegal to sue the drug companies" crap is coming from. Whenever this vaccine stuff finally starts getting litigated, there are gonna be a whole lot of lawyers making the argument that you can't hide behind "we're not liable!" when you essentially threatened people to take the clotshot lest they lose their jobs and be excluded from society. It's gonna be fun.
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Scooter

Quote from: Brad on August 15, 2023, 05:53:01 PM

Further, you can sue anyone anytime you want, for any reason, in the US...so I have no idea what this "it's illegal to sue the drug companies" crap is coming from.

:o  Hard to believe someone who is an adult can be SO uneducated.  But here you are.
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Brad

Quote from: Scooter on August 15, 2023, 06:00:07 PM
Quote from: Brad on August 15, 2023, 05:53:01 PM

Further, you can sue anyone anytime you want, for any reason, in the US...so I have no idea what this "it's illegal to sue the drug companies" crap is coming from.

:o  Hard to believe someone who is an adult can be SO uneducated.  But here you are.

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/types-cases/civil-cases

Point to where you can't sue drug companies. You keep taking Ls.

Further, he FDA claimed, for instance, Ivermectin was for horses, and you were a fucking retard if you took it.  Is they're claiming they ever said that. So...people can just lie to you and you have no legal recourse? I see.

Imagine posting this crap, constantly, and being so smug about it. Pathetic.
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Garry G

Quote from: Brad on August 15, 2023, 05:53:01 PM
Quote from: Garry G on August 14, 2023, 01:39:42 PM
It's certainly a question that I can work out once we dispense the injecting myself bit. I've been given two injections, I didn't grab the needle and put it in myself, and there have been concerns over the early stuff. I didn't go for the bleach cure cos that seemed a bit dodgy.

LOL @ this fucking answer..."It wasn't me, it was someone else doing it. Also, I am possibly concerned, and I didn't use bleach TRUMP!!!!"

What the literal fuck, man? Just admit you're a fucking rube who was duped by the government; no one did anything but yourself.

Further, you can sue anyone anytime you want, for any reason, in the US...so I have no idea what this "it's illegal to sue the drug companies" crap is coming from. Whenever this vaccine stuff finally starts getting litigated, there are gonna be a whole lot of lawyers making the argument that you can't hide behind "we're not liable!" when you essentially threatened people to take the clotshot lest they lose their jobs and be excluded from society. It's gonna be fun.

I'm a fucking rube who was duped by the government. There you go. You asked a question you knew the answer to and got it.

You're a bit weird, I bet your the fun one at the barbie that likes asking awkward questions and shit, probably about lizards. It's not a big deal, can you explain the global conspiracy now?

Brad

Quote from: Garry G on August 15, 2023, 06:59:26 PM

I'm a fucking rube who was duped by the government. There you go. You asked a question you knew the answer to and got it.

You're a bit weird, I bet your the fun one at the barbie that likes asking awkward questions and shit, probably about lizards. It's not a big deal, can you explain the global conspiracy now?

Too bad you're too stupid to actually understand that you actually were duped, but that's okay, the gulags don't discriminate.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Scooter

Quote from: Brad on August 15, 2023, 06:59:13 PM

Point to where you can't sue drug companies. You keep taking Ls.


1) See Wizard about IQ

2) Look up the Fed law(s) passed by congress exempting the makers of the vaccines for liability because the gov asked them to rush vaccines into production with little to no real trials.
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

Eirikrautha

Quote from: Scooter on August 15, 2023, 05:45:08 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 15, 2023, 04:03:00 PM

It is not "illegal" (a violation of criminal statutes)  is no criminal statute that prevents filing a civil suit against the vax manufacturers.  You need to cite the federal CRIMINAL code that does so.

Learn English.  Illegal means AGAINST THE LAW.  Not necessarily a criminal act but ILLEGAL.

Would you like a link to some ESL classes?

Cite where it is against the law.  Congress passed a law providing a defense against claims of injury.  It did NOT make suing drug companies illegal.  You are fast becoming the poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger Effect on this thread.  the law does not work the way you are asserting.  Prove otherwise.

Scooter

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 16, 2023, 07:16:18 AM
Quote from: Scooter on August 15, 2023, 05:45:08 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 15, 2023, 04:03:00 PM

It is not "illegal" (a violation of criminal statutes)  is no criminal statute that prevents filing a civil suit against the vax manufacturers.  You need to cite the federal CRIMINAL code that does so.

Learn English.  Illegal means AGAINST THE LAW.  Not necessarily a criminal act but ILLEGAL.

Would you like a link to some ESL classes?

Cite where it is against the law.  Congress passed a law providing a defense against claims of injury.  It did NOT make suing drug companies illegal.  You are fast becoming the poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger Effect on this thread.  the law does not work the way you are asserting.  Prove otherwise.

Aw poor idiot can't use Google
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