Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Eirikrautha]

Brownstone Institute is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization founded May 2021. Its vision is of a society that places the highest value on the voluntary interaction of individuals and groups while minimizing the use of violence and force including that which is exercised by public or private authorities.

So, how does that make their statistics wrong?

[Klava]

So, how does that make their statistics wrong?

how does one check their statistics for bullshit?

[Eirikrautha]

So, how does that make their statistics wrong?

how does one check their statistics for bullshit?

CDC coded deaths are public record.  Death Certificates are public records.  You make a public records request to the CDC and Massachusetts and compare the numbers.  The claims in this article are MORE verifiable than the vast majority of those made by government and media.  I await your checking of their statistics. 

Or, you can just disagree with the conclusions because it doesn't fit your personal biases, while not having the wherewithal to actually find where they are wrong.  That would be the lazy, partisan way out.  Of course, that would mean you would have to dismiss any other information from any source that you couldn't directly verify, if you wanted to be consistent.  But why do I think your concern for "bullshit" is narrowly tailored here...?

[Klava]

So, how does that make their statistics wrong?

how does one check their statistics for bullshit?

CDC coded deaths are public record.  Death Certificates are public records.  You make a public records request to the CDC and Massachusetts and compare the numbers.  The claims in this article are MORE verifiable than the vast majority of those made by government and media.

statistics is just data. i only gave it a quick look - mostly for sighs of scientific research, editor readings and peer reviews. haven't found any yet. have you seen anything of those kinds?

[Klava]

or maybe your point is that there's a criminal case there? well, why then are they publishing their evidence for it on a web site of a non-profit for freedom freedom freedom oy, instead of suing whoever it is they think have wronged them?

[Brad]

statistics is just data. i only gave it a quick look - mostly for sighs of scientific research, editor readings and peer reviews. haven't found any yet. have you seen anything of those kinds?

Imagine typing this crap.

[Eirikrautha]

statistics is just data. i only gave it a quick look - mostly for sighs of scientific research, editor readings and peer reviews. haven't found any yet. have you seen anything of those kinds?

Imagine typing this crap.

The most amusing part is that he did exactly what I said he would do.  Imagine expecting peer review of a comparison of data tables.  You think every time NBC News quotes CDC data they do a peer-reviewed article first?  Covidiots will be Covidiots...

[Eirikrautha]

or maybe your point is that there's a criminal case there? well, why then are they publishing their evidence for it on a web site of a non-profit for freedom freedom freedom oy, instead of suing whoever it is they think have wronged them?

Criminal cases are prosecuted by the government against a defendant.  Civil cases are monetary (usually) claims by a plaintiff against a defendant.  You clearly don't know the difference, based on your conflation of "criminal" and "suing."  I would imagine your understanding of medicine is as tenuous as your understanding of the American legal system...

[jhkim]

I just went through determining cause of death for my father-in-law this past December, and what I got out of that experience is that the original death certificate is extremely arbitrary.

If someone is old and they keel over, the written cause of death seems to be just a off-the-cuff guess from the medical professional who first encounters the body. Unless there is a criminal investigation, that's all there typically is. We had to shell out a lot of money to get a private autopsy, and even that wasn't very conclusive. We learned he had an undiagnosed heart condition, but he had it for years, and it is still just a guess that he died from that at the time.

So while the CDC likely was overestimating, I understand that they don't want to rely on the original death certificate as absolute - which could be written by someone who has no idea they even had covid-19. So there's wide error bars around official death counts either way.

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Still, many different countries cross-checked these cause-of-deaths by looking at overall death rate by age -- and those have been generally consistent with the other data. There are still wide error bars, but it isn't off by an order of magnitude.

[Eirikrautha]

So while the CDC likely was overestimating, I understand that they don't want to rely on the original death certificate as absolute - which could be written by someone who has no idea they even had covid-19.

And how would the CDC determine that the cause of death was Covid if they didn't see the body, do an autopsy, or even have the medical records of the deceased?  The CDC recoded thousands of deaths, without ever seeing a single body, administratively.  Look at the list of CoDs that they recoded.

Can you even recognize the truth anymore, or have you lied to the point where you literally cannot distinguish fact from fiction?

[Brad]

The most amusing part is that he did exactly what I said he would do.  Imagine expecting peer review of a comparison of data tables.  You think every time NBC News quotes CDC data they do a peer-reviewed article first?  Covidiots will be Covidiots...

Are you a SCIENTIST?!!?? If not you're completely incapable of looking at a chart and comparing numbers. Leave that to the Expert$$$$.

[Klava]

statistics is just data. i only gave it a quick look - mostly for sighs of scientific research, editor readings and peer reviews. haven't found any yet. have you seen anything of those kinds?

Imagine typing this crap.

The most amusing part is that he did exactly what I said he would do.

the most amusing part is, imo, is that you yourself didn't even ask any questions. you went out there, found a piece of crap that corresponds to your pre-conceptions, and just wholesale re-posted it here. and then it's up to those skeptical about this shit to burden themselves with fact-checking those mofos tryring to sell their little presence in the media to the highest bidder not-profit freedom lovers? really?

[Brad]

the most amusing part is, imo, is that you yourself didn't even ask any questions. you went out there, found a piece of crap that corresponds to your pre-conceptions, and just wholesale re-posted it here. and then it's up to those skeptical about this shit to burden themselves with fact-checking those mofos tryring to sell their little presence in the media to the highest bidder not-profit freedom lovers? really?

"I don't like what these numbers imply because they mean I am wrong, therefore you are stupid."

[Klava]

or maybe your point is that there's a criminal case there? well, why then are they publishing their evidence for it on a web site of a non-profit for freedom freedom freedom oy, instead of suing whoever it is they think have wronged them?

Criminal cases are prosecuted by the government against a defendant.  Civil cases are monetary (usually) claims by a plaintiff against a defendant.  You clearly don't know the difference, based on your conflation of "criminal" and "suing."  I would imagine your understanding of medicine is as tenuous as your understanding of the American legal system...

my knowledge of medicine is decent i'd say. and when in doubt i just go the the medical pros and ask - i have some good friends in the field, phd's and all. every piece of anti-vaxer and covid conspiracy bullshit i have come across to this day they've been able to completely dismantle in minutes.

as to american legal system - guilty as charged. i'm a foreigner, so i think it's okay for me not to know any specifics.

what i'm realy good at is basic logic, though. which you seem to have no grasp whatsoever, at least when it comes to defending you conspiracy theories. so, here goes again:
statistics is just data - that's a fact of the world around you. you can use it to make something like a scientific study or a criminal or other legal case, which then have to go through quite a bit of checking and processing to be validated. unless you, or your proponents of freedom freedom freedom oi, take their time to go through those steps, you are - even if all the statistics you present is a hundred percent accurate -  sill left with nothing whatsoever.
staistics themselves imply nothing.
zilch.
nada.

in this case all they've been able to demonstrate is discrepancy in the data they obtained from different sources. and that's it. (eidt: that is, if they didn't doctor that data. which you, i assume, didn't check because your awesome powers of observation don't require any of that).

[Brad]

if they didn't doctor that data

Oh, the data has been doctored of course. But just by the people who claim are infallible.

freedom freedom freedom

Is it fun being told what to do and think? Seems easy if you're a dumbfuck.