Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Eirikrautha]

Yes. It was (is) Covid hysteria. Nothing to do with previous mask practices.

I agree that there is plenty of Covid hysteria. But prior to the pandemic, there was a common belief that masks helped reduce transmission of respiratory viruses. Medical professionals commonly used them with this intent.

So while I agree that there was and is hysteria over Covid, I don't agree that it was "nothing to do" with previous mask practices.

Before Covid, I never wore a mask, and never saw anyone wear a mask in public. No public or private establishment requested or required mask wearing for customers or patrons.

I think you are confusing the idea that a doctor may wear a mask while on the job, with the general public, wearing masks all the time.

At the rehab hospital my wife works at, they only wore N95s pre-covid during flu season if you didn't get the flu vax. There are also specific situations where a patient's precautions would require wearing an N95.

The statement he was responding to from jhkim was:

But prior to the pandemic, there was a common belief that masks helped reduce transmission of respiratory viruses. Medical professionals commonly used them with this intent.

Which is a bald-faced falsehood.  NEVER, in all my encounters with medical professionals did any EVER wear a surgical mask unless it was in surgery, dealing with an open wound, or a dentist hovering over my mouth.  And I have never been asked to wear a mask before Covid, in any medical context, EVER (even when undergoing surgery).  The GP doctors didn't even wear masks when I was seeing them because of symptoms of a respiratory virus!  So this was not a "common" use of the masks, even by doctors.

And 95% of people had never heard of an N95 mask before covid; nor had they been asked to wear them outside of occupational restrictions.  So jhkim is being deliberately disingenuous (unless he is a drooling moron).  Pick one...

[dkabq]

Yes. It was (is) Covid hysteria. Nothing to do with previous mask practices.

I agree that there is plenty of Covid hysteria. But prior to the pandemic, there was a common belief that masks helped reduce transmission of respiratory viruses. Medical professionals commonly used them with this intent.

So while I agree that there was and is hysteria over Covid, I don't agree that it was "nothing to do" with previous mask practices.

Before Covid, I never wore a mask, and never saw anyone wear a mask in public. No public or private establishment requested or required mask wearing for customers or patrons.

I think you are confusing the idea that a doctor may wear a mask while on the job, with the general public, wearing masks all the time.

At the rehab hospital my wife works at, they only wore N95s pre-covid during flu season if you didn't get the flu vax. There are also specific situations where a patient's precautions would require wearing an N95.

The statement he was responding to from jhkim was:

But prior to the pandemic, there was a common belief that masks helped reduce transmission of respiratory viruses. Medical professionals commonly used them with this intent.

Which is a bald-faced falsehood.  NEVER, in all my encounters with medical professionals did any EVER wear a surgical mask unless it was in surgery, dealing with an open wound, or a dentist hovering over my mouth.  And I have never been asked to wear a mask before Covid, in any medical context, EVER (even when undergoing surgery).  The GP doctors didn't even wear masks when I was seeing them because of symptoms of a respiratory virus!  So this was not a "common" use of the masks, even by doctors.

And 95% of people had never heard of an N95 mask before covid; nor had they been asked to wear them outside of occupational restrictions.  So jhkim is being deliberately disingenuous (unless he is a drooling moron).  Pick one...

No argument from me.

[Zelen]

Masking, even in a medical, surgical setting, is grounded more in superstition than actual science.

[jhkim]

At the rehab hospital my wife works at, they only wore N95s pre-covid during flu season if you didn't get the flu vax. There are also specific situations where a patient's precautions would require wearing an N95.

NEVER, in all my encounters with medical professionals did any EVER wear a surgical mask unless it was in surgery, dealing with an open wound, or a dentist hovering over my mouth.  And I have never been asked to wear a mask before Covid, in any medical context, EVER (even when undergoing surgery).  The GP doctors didn't even wear masks when I was seeing them because of symptoms of a respiratory virus!  So this was not a "common" use of the masks, even by doctors.

And 95% of people had never heard of an N95 mask before covid; nor had they been asked to wear them outside of occupational restrictions.  So jhkim is being deliberately disingenuous (unless he is a drooling moron).  Pick one...

No argument from me.

WTF is this shit?!? dkabq -- you just said that the hospital that your wife works at used N95 masks to reduce flu transmission, then you agree with Eirikrautha saying that this sort of thing never happened, and that I'm being disingenuous for making such claims?

dkabq -- why did they use N95 masks during flu season for un-flu-vaccinated patients?? Was it a weird fashion statement that was pure coincidence? Or did they think that the mask would reduce the chance of transmission?

[dkabq]

At the rehab hospital my wife works at, they only wore N95s pre-covid during flu season if you didn't get the flu vax. There are also specific situations where a patient's precautions would require wearing an N95.

NEVER, in all my encounters with medical professionals did any EVER wear a surgical mask unless it was in surgery, dealing with an open wound, or a dentist hovering over my mouth.  And I have never been asked to wear a mask before Covid, in any medical context, EVER (even when undergoing surgery).  The GP doctors didn't even wear masks when I was seeing them because of symptoms of a respiratory virus!  So this was not a "common" use of the masks, even by doctors.

And 95% of people had never heard of an N95 mask before covid; nor had they been asked to wear them outside of occupational restrictions.  So jhkim is being deliberately disingenuous (unless he is a drooling moron).  Pick one...

No argument from me.

WTF is this shit?!? dkabq -- you just said that the hospital that your wife works at used N95 masks to reduce flu transmission, then you agree with Eirikrautha saying that this sort of thing never happened, and that I'm being disingenuous for making such claims?

dkabq -- why did they use N95 masks during flu season for un-flu-vaccinated patients?? Was it a weird fashion statement that was pure coincidence? Or did they think that the mask would reduce the chance of transmission?

I agreed with Eirkrautha because like him (stealing his words):
"NEVER, in all my encounters with medical professionals did any EVER wear a surgical mask unless it was in surgery, dealing with an open wound, or a dentist hovering over my mouth.  And I have never been asked to wear a mask before Covid, in any medical context, EVER (even when undergoing surgery).  The GP doctors didn't even wear masks when I was seeing them because of symptoms of a respiratory virus!"

As for the rehab hospital my wife works at, I double-checked with her, and it was not N95s, it was surgical masks they had to wear if they didn't get the flu vax. My apologies for the error.

I assume they were forced to wear them for a similar stupid reason that, depending on # of local cases, I have to wear a stupid cloth mask at work, sitting in an 8'x8' cubicle (with a door), when there is nobody else on my floor. I wouldn't mind so much if they would issue me a red one, as the red cloth masks "outperformed" the other color cloth mask and both colors of surgical masks in the Bangladesh study. I assume it is because red goes faster.

I have no idea if you are being disingenuous or not, so I do not agree with Eirkrautha on that point.

[dkabq]

The Evidence Is In: Population-Wide Masking Was a Spectacular Failure
https://davidthunder.substack.com/p/the-evidence-is-in-population-wide
https://davidthunder.substack.com/p/the-evidence-is-in-population-wide#footnote-1-104612564

tl:dr
"The authors of the study conclude that "the pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection."

[jhkim]

At the rehab hospital my wife works at, they only wore N95s pre-covid during flu season if you didn't get the flu vax. There are also specific situations where a patient's precautions would require wearing an N95.

I agreed with Eirkrautha because like him (stealing his words):
"NEVER, in all my encounters with medical professionals did any EVER wear a surgical mask unless it was in surgery, dealing with an open wound, or a dentist hovering over my mouth.  And I have never been asked to wear a mask before Covid, in any medical context, EVER (even when undergoing surgery).  The GP doctors didn't even wear masks when I was seeing them because of symptoms of a respiratory virus!"

As for the rehab hospital my wife works at, I double-checked with her, and it was not N95s, it was surgical masks they had to wear if they didn't get the flu vax. My apologies for the error.

I'm confused, because these seem to contradict each other. Eirikrautha says that pre-covid, masks were *only* used in (1) surgery, (2) open wounds, and (3) dentistry.

dkabq -- pre-covid, your wife was working at a rehab hospital where they used masks. If they didn't get the flu vax, you're saying that they had a wear a surgical mask during flu season - and there were times when a patient wore a mask. It sounds to me like those masks were not for one of Eirikrautha's three cases.

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This is important to me when I'm trying to actually convince people that masks are not useful. Now I'd say about 90% of my community have given up on masks, but there are still some holdouts. So people can change their minds with evidence. It's just not quick or easy. If I come up to a friend and say "You're stupid for ever thinking masks worked. No one ever thought they did!" -- then they would just dismiss me. But if I acknowledge previous mask use and cite the more recent studies, then I can make progress.

Prior to covid, masks weren't used all the time routinely because it wasn't considered that important to minimize that risk. Catching the flu... no big deal. It wasn't worth the effort. In cases where it was really important not to spread, though, masks were used to reduce risk. If the flu was going around the hospital and causing problems, or if there was an immuno-compromised patient, etc.

What changed with covid was that normal practices were warped. People became much more concerned about minimizing risk of spread - many to the point of hysteria.

[Kiero]

What changed with covid was that normal practices were warped. People became much more concerned about minimizing risk of spread - many to the point of hysteria.

Which was by design. A huge proportion of the population are now primed with fear to do as they're told, no matter how stupid the instructions they are given.

[Ratman_tf]

What changed with covid was that normal practices were warped. People became much more concerned about minimizing risk of spread - many to the point of hysteria.

Which was by design. A huge proportion of the population are now primed with fear to do as they're told, no matter how stupid the instructions they are given.

[dkabq]

At the rehab hospital my wife works at, they only wore N95s pre-covid during flu season if you didn't get the flu vax. There are also specific situations where a patient's precautions would require wearing an N95.

I agreed with Eirkrautha because like him (stealing his words):
"NEVER, in all my encounters with medical professionals did any EVER wear a surgical mask unless it was in surgery, dealing with an open wound, or a dentist hovering over my mouth.  And I have never been asked to wear a mask before Covid, in any medical context, EVER (even when undergoing surgery).  The GP doctors didn't even wear masks when I was seeing them because of symptoms of a respiratory virus!"

As for the rehab hospital my wife works at, I double-checked with her, and it was not N95s, it was surgical masks they had to wear if they didn't get the flu vax. My apologies for the error.

I'm confused, because these seem to contradict each other. Eirikrautha says that pre-covid, masks were *only* used in (1) surgery, (2) open wounds, and (3) dentistry.

dkabq -- pre-covid, your wife was working at a rehab hospital where they used masks. If they didn't get the flu vax, you're saying that they had a wear a surgical mask during flu season - and there were times when a patient wore a mask. It sounds to me like those masks were not for one of Eirikrautha's three cases.

---

This is important to me when I'm trying to actually convince people that masks are not useful. Now I'd say about 90% of my community have given up on masks, but there are still some holdouts. So people can change their minds with evidence. It's just not quick or easy. If I come up to a friend and say "You're stupid for ever thinking masks worked. No one ever thought they did!" -- then they would just dismiss me. But if I acknowledge previous mask use and cite the more recent studies, then I can make progress.

Prior to covid, masks weren't used all the time routinely because it wasn't considered that important to minimize that risk. Catching the flu... no big deal. It wasn't worth the effort. In cases where it was really important not to spread, though, masks were used to reduce risk. If the flu was going around the hospital and causing problems, or if there was an immuno-compromised patient, etc.

What changed with covid was that normal practices were warped. People became much more concerned about minimizing risk of spread - many to the point of hysteria.

My apologies for being confusing. My personal experience is like Eirikrautha's. My wife's experience at her hospital is different from mine.

I have no idea how my wife's work figured that getting the flu vax was an equivalent reduction in the risk of catching flu as wearing a surgical mask. Personally, I think they just pulled it out of their ass.

Also, my wife does physical therapy on patients, which requires her to be in close proximity/physical contact. She now wears a properly fitted, properly worn, properly cleaned N95 mask, a cover mask, and a face shield. I agree in that use-case (i.e., possibly being sneezed/coughed/spit on) it makes sense.

Normal practice pre-covid was that because there was not sufficient evidence that wearing a mask (cloth, surgical) reduced the spread of respiratory viruses, it was not recommended that the general public wear masks (cloth, surgical). Why St. Fauci, et al. flip-flopped on that between March and April 2020 is unknown to me, but it certainty was not due to any further information appearing in that 6-week period.

In addition, you had to know that it was a ho-ax when they let the restaurants reopen and you had to wear a mask to walk from the door to your table, but once at your table you could take off your mask. I guess that when sitting, one is below the covid layer -- it's SCIENCE!(tm). Not to mention all of the "rules for thee but not for me" instances.

I have given up trying to convince people that wearing a mask is pointless (in most use-cases). Wear a mask (even when you are alone in your car), carry chicken bones in your pocket -- I don't care. Anything I post at this point is just me yelling into the abyss; it's easier than going outside to yell at clouds.
 

[Brad]

Why are you entertaining this communist...he is simply trying to justify this mask bullshit to make himself not feel like a reactionary moron.

[Ghostmaker]

Oops.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a?mod=hp_lead_pos1

But tell me more about how this was a conspiracy theory.

Then face the wall.

[Brad]

Oops.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a?mod=hp_lead_pos1

But tell me more about how this was a conspiracy theory.

Then face the wall.

We already knew this a couple years ago. Maria Bartiromo played the fucking clip from 2020 of her discussing this with Tom Cotton this morning. The dude they called a racist for daring to say it was of Chinese origin. I saw some reports that it came from a Chinese lab, yes, but possibly actually originated in a biolab in the Ukraine. Of course that is just another conspiracy I am sure that will be proven correct in another couple years after the Democrat party is done laundering money over there.

Cue jhkim with reasons why this is problematic...

[Zelen]

Pretty good results being a conspiracy theorist these days.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Yeah, I love it. All of us "mean, hate-filled, Consiracy-Theorist, racist monsters"--were right on fucking everything. Remember how all these Marxist, traitor scumbags called President Trump a terrible, hate-filled racist for calling the fucking virus the "China virus"? Because it CAME FROM FUCKING CHINA.

Yeah. The truth is now coming out--but honstly, the truth was always there. The cock-sucking Marxist Libtards just didn't like the TRUTH--because they love tyranny, and they want America to be destroyed.

Fucking scum. They all need tobe bathed in napalm.

"Oh, SHARK! You're so angry and full of hate!" Whaa some more, bitches.

Think about the tens of thouands, maybe MILLIONS--of Americans that lost their small businesses, their stores and shops, their careers, as they were bankrupted, fired, cancelled...by all the the screeching, Libtard scumbags.

Think about the waterfall effects for their kids, for losing their homes, livelihoods, everything, and being reduced to poverty from DECADES OF WORK....just so these fuckers could prance around in shrieking hysteria?

Think about the hundreds of thousands of MILITARY SERVICEMEN that lost their entire careers--because they would nt get the ucking jab?

Oh, why can't we just be tolerant, and sweet, and forgiving?

Yeah. The Libtard scumbags so need the napalm. The more, the better.

Semper Fidelis,