Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Kiero]

No really, they were not true. They were never true. Some of them even contradicted each other and had no internal consistency even in theory. They were completely paranoid and moronic. And guys like you probably did end in killing people indirectly by spreading falsehoods and convincing people who otherwise would have gotten the vaccine to not get it. Because you were not just casually disagreeing, you were actively telling people it was all lies and intended to do actual harm and claiming the vaccine was making people more susceptible to Covid and making Covid worse for those people who had been vaccinated and that the vaccine itself was resulting in mass death, all lies that can persuade someone to engage in more dangerous behavior even if they're elderly or have underlying conditions.

And you're not accountable to anyone for that behavior. 90% of people even here didn't agree with your madness but even they won't hold you accountable for it thinking "he's has a right to his bad opinion" is the same as "he shouldn't be told it's bad to do it for spreading that bad opinion."

You must have missed the utter collapse of every part of the tissue of lies that makes up the official narrative on covid. The increase in all-cause mortality since the jabs have been rolled out and the huge number of deaths caused directly by it (more than any vaccine in recorded history combined). Especially deaths of young people and children.

Or the fact that it has precisely fuck all impact on infection, hospitalisation or death. That the authorities lied about every single aspect of the jabs they were pushing, even as they retreated ever further from their initial claims.

Seriously, what fucking bunker have you been living in to preserve this delusion that covid jabs are a net good? When in spite of the media put-on job, ever more evidence appears showing how actively harmful they are.

Lining up for your fifth jab yet, moron?

[Mistwell]

No really, they were not true. They were never true. Some of them even contradicted each other and had no internal consistency even in theory. They were completely paranoid and moronic. And guys like you probably did end in killing people indirectly by spreading falsehoods and convincing people who otherwise would have gotten the vaccine to not get it. Because you were not just casually disagreeing, you were actively telling people it was all lies and intended to do actual harm and claiming the vaccine was making people more susceptible to Covid and making Covid worse for those people who had been vaccinated and that the vaccine itself was resulting in mass death, all lies that can persuade someone to engage in more dangerous behavior even if they're elderly or have underlying conditions.

And you're not accountable to anyone for that behavior. 90% of people even here didn't agree with your madness but even they won't hold you accountable for it thinking "he's has a right to his bad opinion" is the same as "he shouldn't be told it's bad to do it for spreading that bad opinion."

You must have missed the utter collapse of every part of the tissue of lies that makes up the official narrative on covid. The increase in all-cause mortality since the jabs have been rolled out and the huge number of deaths caused directly by it (more than any vaccine in recorded history combined). Especially deaths of young people and children.

Or the fact that it has precisely fuck all impact on infection, hospitalisation or death. That the authorities lied about every single aspect of the jabs they were pushing, even as they retreated ever further from their initial claims.

Seriously, what fucking bunker have you been living in to preserve this delusion that covid jabs are a net good? When in spite of the media put-on job, ever more evidence appears showing how actively harmful they are.

Lining up for your fifth jab yet, moron?

And this is what I mean when I said you will never be held accountable for misleading people to their deaths. You believe the idiocy you're spewing and people think as long as you're genuine in your moronic conspiracy theory rantings then that's OK enough.

[Ratman_tf]

True. I am not going to forgive you for all the nonsense conspiracy theories you were peddling here.

Fuck you. I never threatened anyone's livelihood or ability to function, or threatened to ostracise them from society because they didn't comply with the jab.

Virtually all of my "conspiracy theories" have proven to be true. Unlike the fallacious narrative morons like you slavishly lapped up.

No really, they were not true. They were never true. Some of them even contradicted each other and had no internal consistency even in theory. They were completely paranoid and moronic. And guys like you probably did end in killing people indirectly by spreading falsehoods and convincing people who otherwise would have gotten the vaccine to not get it. Because you were not just casually disagreeing, you were actively telling people it was all lies and intended to do actual harm and claiming the vaccine was making people more susceptible to Covid and making Covid worse for those people who had been vaccinated and that the vaccine itself was resulting in mass death, all lies that can persuade someone to engage in more dangerous behavior even if they're elderly or have underlying conditions.

And you're not accountable to anyone for that behavior. 90% of people even here didn't agree with your madness but even they won't hold you accountable for it thinking "he's has a right to his bad opinion" is the same as "he shouldn't be told it's bad to do it for spreading that bad opinion."

I am far more concerned about the government and media spreading bad information about Covid that directly got people killed.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Yes, thank you. I was right in my analysis of the "Covid Crisis" from the beginning. Evidence of leaked e-mails from Twitter explain how top government officials with Homeland Security met with Google and Twitter executives EVERY WEEK to strategize and COORDINATE systemic crackdowns against anyone questioning, resisting, or critiquing the OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT NARRATIVE OF VACCINE AND MASK MANDATES.

Government, the CDC, and Tech media like Twitter and Google all working together to establish and promote tyranny.

All the fucking Covid crybabies can get fucked. Covid is a fucking virus, like the flu, and can kill people. Especially people that are old, fat, or have diabetes. None of that merits locking down an entire country, destroying a nation's economy, crushing people's fucking Constitutional rights, or establishing TYRANNY.

So many people in this country yearn to be slaves. They love tyranny. They eagerly wait and hope for a tyrannical mommy government to control everything and everyone.

All those people can get fucked. Napalm is sweet for them. It's what all these tyrant government Renfields deserve.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Kiero]

A handy guide to potential adverse effects from mRNA jabs:

[KindaMeh]

A handy guide to potential adverse effects from mRNA jabs:

I'd need to know where this diagram came from and how it was developed to properly evaluate the potential risks alleged. If you have the numbers on the pathways and outcomes that would also be much appreciated. I'm currently deciding if a booster makes sense after my natural immunity after having caught it once a while after vaccination and minimal upkeep wears off. More info on both perks and downsides helps.

I also either don't have the medical background to know what they're listed here as, or the points on stuff like myocarditis as well as anaphylaxis and antibody dependent responses (dunno if this one does meaningful damage so much as limiting some positive outcomes, tho) I hear from the internet are sometimes a thing (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8611574/) aren't yet listed, though I don't think anaphylaxis would apply for me.

Also, what is the general opinion on this site on Johnson and Johnson, since it didn't use mRNA? I know it was pulled by Biden in a typical overreaction, temporarily over "super rare but severe" blood clots in some folks out of millions, but it seems like it would have less long term effect issues in calculation to me, and while I know mRNA has been around as a treatment for 80+ years, it still kinda seemed a simpler mechanism to me?

[KindaMeh]

No really, they were not true. They were never true. Some of them even contradicted each other and had no internal consistency even in theory. They were completely paranoid and moronic. And guys like you probably did end in killing people indirectly by spreading falsehoods and convincing people who otherwise would have gotten the vaccine to not get it. Because you were not just casually disagreeing, you were actively telling people it was all lies and intended to do actual harm and claiming the vaccine was making people more susceptible to Covid and making Covid worse for those people who had been vaccinated and that the vaccine itself was resulting in mass death, all lies that can persuade someone to engage in more dangerous behavior even if they're elderly or have underlying conditions.

And you're not accountable to anyone for that behavior. 90% of people even here didn't agree with your madness but even they won't hold you accountable for it thinking "he's has a right to his bad opinion" is the same as "he shouldn't be told it's bad to do it for spreading that bad opinion."

You must have missed the utter collapse of every part of the tissue of lies that makes up the official narrative on covid. The increase in all-cause mortality since the jabs have been rolled out and the huge number of deaths caused directly by it (more than any vaccine in recorded history combined). Especially deaths of young people and children.

Or the fact that it has precisely fuck all impact on infection, hospitalisation or death. That the authorities lied about every single aspect of the jabs they were pushing, even as they retreated ever further from their initial claims.

Seriously, what fucking bunker have you been living in to preserve this delusion that covid jabs are a net good? When in spite of the media put-on job, ever more evidence appears showing how actively harmful they are.

Lining up for your fifth jab yet, moron?

For hospitalization, infection, and death I think I posted some decent stuff two pages back or so that made a decent case for reduction. Though as noted in dkabq's video children under 5's special vaccination for instance is pretty much negligible in impact.

I posted an excess death analysis one post earlier than this too, though you may have already been writing at the time.

Also, while the jury's still out on long term effects, the small pox vaccine is a hard number to beat. Honestly was kinda scary to see upon looking it up. Would take some effort to surpass that.

I also feel like the authorities were incompetent and dishonest in their handling of this, but even if they hadn't been and even accounting for the studies I dropped mandates could not be justified. Because it's political discrimination, kills the economy, they were enacted in undemocratic ways, and more as listed out in my rants previously. The jabs can be net good in and of themselves and a mandate would still be total bs, even within that specific area.

[Kiero]

I'd need to know where this diagram came from and how it was developed to properly evaluate the potential risks alleged. If you have the numbers on the pathways and outcomes that would also be much appreciated. I'm currently deciding if a booster makes sense after my natural immunity after having caught it once a while after vaccination and minimal upkeep wears off. More info on both perks and downsides helps.

I also either don't have the medical background to know what they're listed here as, or the points on stuff like myocarditis as well as anaphylaxis and antibody dependent responses (dunno if this one does meaningful damage so much as limiting some positive outcomes, tho) I hear from the internet are sometimes a thing (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8611574/) aren't yet listed, though I don't think anaphylaxis would apply for me.

Also, what is the general opinion on this site on Johnson and Johnson, since it didn't use mRNA? I know it was pulled by Biden in a typical overreaction, temporarily over "super rare but severe" blood clots in some folks out of millions, but it seems like it would have less long term effect issues in calculation to me, and while I know mRNA has been around as a treatment for 80+ years, it still kinda seemed a simpler mechanism to me?

If you've been mRNA'd with Pfizer or Moderna, each dose causes even more damage to your immune system and increases the likelihood of any of those harms occurring. There was never any need for anyone to get jabbed for covid, the case is even weaker now the only strains around are harmless. Natural immunity from exposure is all anyone ever needed, and is the best protection of all.

The Oxford/Astra Zeneca jab was the main non-mRNA formulation. It was simply loaded with spike proteins, instead of rewriting your DNA to produce them forever. That massive dose of spike proteins caused epithelial damage resulting in blood clots, heart attacks, strokes and quickly lethal for some people, causing longer term damage in others short of fatality.

mRNA has not been around for 80 years. It is a relatively new technology, developed in the 1980s (Robert Malone was a leading pioneer in this area), first trialled in humans in 2020. Were it not for the emergency use authorisation, it would not have been allowed to be rolled out to hundreds of millions of people.

Attempts to create a vaccine for coronaviruses have been going on for 80-odd years, with every single attempt ending in failure (and often the deaths of all the animal test subjects).

[Jaeger]

More conspiracy theories:

[KindaMeh]

I'd need to know where this diagram came from and how it was developed to properly evaluate the potential risks alleged. If you have the numbers on the pathways and outcomes that would also be much appreciated. I'm currently deciding if a booster makes sense after my natural immunity after having caught it once a while after vaccination and minimal upkeep wears off. More info on both perks and downsides helps.

I also either don't have the medical background to know what they're listed here as, or the points on stuff like myocarditis as well as anaphylaxis and antibody dependent responses (dunno if this one does meaningful damage so much as limiting some positive outcomes, tho) I hear from the internet are sometimes a thing (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8611574/) aren't yet listed, though I don't think anaphylaxis would apply for me.

Also, what is the general opinion on this site on Johnson and Johnson, since it didn't use mRNA? I know it was pulled by Biden in a typical overreaction, temporarily over "super rare but severe" blood clots in some folks out of millions, but it seems like it would have less long term effect issues in calculation to me, and while I know mRNA has been around as a treatment for 80+ years, it still kinda seemed a simpler mechanism to me?

If you've been mRNA'd with Pfizer or Moderna, each dose causes even more damage to your immune system and increases the likelihood of any of those harms occurring. There was never any need for anyone to get jabbed for covid, the case is even weaker now the only strains around are harmless. Natural immunity from exposure is all anyone ever needed, and is the best protection of all.

The Oxford/Astra Zeneca jab was the main non-mRNA formulation. It was simply loaded with spike proteins, instead of rewriting your DNA to produce them forever. That massive dose of spike proteins caused epithelial damage resulting in blood clots, heart attacks, strokes and quickly lethal for some people, causing longer term damage in others short of fatality.

mRNA has not been around for 80 years. It is a relatively new technology, developed in the 1980s (Robert Malone was a leading pioneer in this area), first trialled in humans in 2020. Were it not for the emergency use authorisation, it would not have been allowed to be rolled out to hundreds of millions of people.

Attempts to create a vaccine for coronaviruses have been going on for 80-odd years, with every single attempt ending in failure (and often the deaths of all the animal test subjects).

Well, shit. I think I confused 80 years on Covid with 80 mRNA years, which was pretty bad. Also mRNA and mRNA treatment research with mRNA vaccines in specific that one time I mentioned mRNA being around in the 60s prior to this. As a heads-up to folks I screwed the pooch on that one. The former were the 1960s, the latter Kiero corrected me more or less properly on. There's apparently arguments over how long after 1960s exactly it was "discovered", with some 70s claims, but his dude is the generally accepted one for a completed product. Feeling a bit less safe, but good to know. Thanks for taking the time to reply. (I think I have it now. Hopefully. This is what I get for soundbite quoting the internet.)

mRNA treatment I heard doesn't really change the base genes and degrades which is part of why the vaccines don't give long term protection. (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-mrna-gene/fact-check-mrna-vaccines-are-distinct-from-gene-therapy-which-alters-recipients-genes-idUSL1N2PH16N) I don't get long term protection from the vaccine much as getting the virus you can be reinfected like some of my relatives were, right? Or do I have some long term protein production or something swinging for me?

I dunno the exact deal with viral vectors and how exactly that relates to spike proteins for J&J, but based on what you're saying I'm fine to take it if I don't get immediately damaged by the shot? But that this depends on current load for proteins or something? So like wait until a certain amount of time after prior infection before taking it, so protein immune system weakens or something?

Regarding some of this stuff... Do you have any sources I could read and the like? I'm sort of following but also don't really get it.

[KindaMeh]

More conspiracy theories:

This is kinda disturbing.

Though apparently there was also this, so I guess a trade-off maybe: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/england-covid-19-mortality-rate-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages

But I guess also vaccination rates soared over that time period. So that's a thing. Per 100k you'd expect to see more vaccinated more and more as time went on, and allegedly the virus became more virulent and had a higher kill count rate/day which could explain unvaccinated rates, though your graph might already account for that. IDK where you got it, so can't say for sure. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations  (Edit: Thought about it and ignore this bit, the graph was probably being read wrong by me. The way the graph is structured absolute numbers of vaccinated per 100k don't likely matter, only deaths per 100k vaccinated. Though apparently England mostly prioritized the old and infirm over the young during this time period in terms of who wound up signing up for the shot over time. More on that in some of the below darts I threw at the wall or pulled off the internet.) (Second Edit: I just realized this graph has numbers going up from zero for some reason. Doubt the death rate ever got that low. I definitely would need to see the original source to understand this thing, though I might just be not great at fancy graphs and statistics.) (Third Edit: Finally got it, it's the number per 100k added together over time cumulative with prior numbers, derp. But yeah, with that interpretation I guess this isn't unexpected. If anything I'd have expected a more strongly accelerating rate as the older and more infirm folk transfer in and the healthy transfer out, may be counterbalanced by COVID a bit but you wouldn't expect that much with a 1-2% mortality rate for the infected at the time, and no crazy boost to infection overcompensating for a dropping rate of per case death from Omicron coming into play yet.)

Do we have more recent data? Either going into 2022 or from when the vaccine rate had more or less stabilized?

I found this thing but it's just tables: https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween1january2021and31may2022/referencetable06072022accessible.xlsx

Towards the bottom the rate of life hours lost per 100,000 hours seems roughly even, but also it's a little hard for me to tell what the deal is on that. But also the young and healthy you'd expect to be vaccinated less quickly or possibly not at all. And I think towards the earlier part of vaccination the data kinda followed that pattern, where those at risk of death and loss were the first to get vaccinated and the above metric spiked for a bit.


My browser isn't always google when I want to get a different set of results, and apparently it got me this on Hungary all-cause mortality and vaccination when I asked it for England. 

Edit: Which I then forgot to include, apparently. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9319484/

Anyway also apparently there was this thing Google gave me when I switched back on a similar graph, though I don't like relying on Reuters so much. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-britain/fact-check-englands-death-data-does-not-show-vaccine-caused-mortality-idUSL1N2SN1P4  (I may have been onto something with the whole vaccinating those more likely to die bit. And the ones staying vaccinated are apparently folks who got boostered, which the healthy were less likely to do and keep up on. So those more likely to die go in at higher rates, and those less likely leave at higher rates, so that over time those who are labeled vaccinated are those more likely more generally to have problems. Cuz they're old or have underlying conditions.)


(Hopefully) Final Edit: I got the reason why it's not seriously accelerating. It's any vaccination status, not any government qualifying status, hence including if the protection has lapsed. So ignore young and healthy folks going out of the vaccinated population, that doesn't apply. Apparently a bad day for me as regards cognitive capacity. But still an interesting graph.

[Kiero]

mRNA treatment I heard doesn't really change the base genes and degrades which is part of why the vaccines don't give long term protection. (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-mrna-gene/fact-check-mrna-vaccines-are-distinct-from-gene-therapy-which-alters-recipients-genes-idUSL1N2PH16N) I don't get long term protection from the vaccine much as getting the virus you can be reinfected like some of my relatives were, right? Or do I have some long term protein production or something swinging for me?

Reuters Fact Check is not even remotely credible, they're paid for by Pfizer. Indeed Reuters' chairman, James C Smith, sits on Pfizer's board (and he's openly associated with the WEF). Nothing they say about the jabs should be relied upon.

I dunno the exact deal with viral vectors and how exactly that relates to spike proteins for J&J, but based on what you're saying I'm fine to take it if I don't get immediately damaged by the shot? But that this depends on current load for proteins or something? So like wait until a certain amount of time after prior infection before taking it, so protein immune system weakens or something?

There is no safe dosage, they are all intrinsically harmful. mRNA most definitely does cause genetic change and strips away prior acquired immunity. That's why we have the sudden resurgence of shingles in adults who were previously immune to varicella from having chicken pox as children.

I'm saying you're not fine to take it ever and you cause cumulative damage by taking further shots. Stop getting jabbed for a trivial illness.

[KindaMeh]

I dunno the exact deal with viral vectors and how exactly that relates to spike proteins for J&J, but based on what you're saying I'm fine to take it if I don't get immediately damaged by the shot? But that this depends on current load for proteins or something? So like wait until a certain amount of time after prior infection before taking it, so protein immune system weakens or something?

There is no safe dosage, they are all intrinsically harmful. mRNA most definitely does cause genetic change and strips away prior acquired immunity. That's why we have the sudden resurgence of shingles in adults who were previously immune to varicella from having chicken pox as children.

I'm saying you're not fine to take it ever and you cause cumulative damage by taking further shots. Stop getting jabbed for a trivial illness.

I'm still hoping for sources at some point on some of this stuff. (Though the Reuters dude with the Pfizer board membership thing was definitively a thing, it seems.)

That said, I looked some points up online since you didn't have source material you were immediately sharing, and this study does seem to imply that shingles specifically might not be an issue: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8608757/ 

Though I also found this on immune response more generally for non-Covid things: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9167431/    (It references a study I couldn't find, but if the reference is correct it could be a problem for repeat mRNA vaccinators doing so on short timespan, immune-wise.)

Couldn't find anything for J&J dropping immune response, tho. I think I might go for that if the price is just paid upfront in whether or not the spike proteins produced by the viral vectors do damage or whatever? That said, I'll probably first hope to catch it again while I still have some degree of immunity from the prior catch cuz maybe that might happen, and presumably it gives longer for my spike protein setup(?) to reset in the meantime, I'd guess.

I'm a bit overweight and don't have great breathing stuff and the like, with some reportedly related preexisting conditions for COVID troubles, though I am young and working on my health, so that does factor in. From what I've heard COVID is weird too, in that it can have long term effects and mental stuff it can do to you even if it doesn't put you in the hospital or kill you.

That and it was pretty annoying even when I last had it in terms of symptoms and not being able to see people or go out in public and stuff. I get that J&J is maybe a minor risk short-term, but it sounds like if I don't get damaged on go #1 I'm probably fine and it makes life easier. I appreciate the concern and willingness to engage with me on your part, especially as I know we seem to have disagreements on some of our statistical positions. If I catch it again in time (which I might, seems pretty endemic) I presumably won't need to go in for a booster. But it also sounds like it might be worth it to pick J&J over mRNA for knowing quickly whether I'm affected long term.

If you or whoever else have more sources or points, though, I do at least try to stay informed and hear what different people have to say. This site has interesting discussions that bring me out of my bubble a bit, I feel. Thank y'all for being part of that.  (Now watch me somehow be part of the ~.04% who get myocarditis later on, in my case after already catching an instance of COVID after their original mRNA shot, making this whole conversation irrelevant, lol.   )

[Mistwell]

True. I am not going to forgive you for all the nonsense conspiracy theories you were peddling here.

Fuck you. I never threatened anyone's livelihood or ability to function, or threatened to ostracise them from society because they didn't comply with the jab.

Virtually all of my "conspiracy theories" have proven to be true. Unlike the fallacious narrative morons like you slavishly lapped up.

No really, they were not true. They were never true. Some of them even contradicted each other and had no internal consistency even in theory. They were completely paranoid and moronic. And guys like you probably did end in killing people indirectly by spreading falsehoods and convincing people who otherwise would have gotten the vaccine to not get it. Because you were not just casually disagreeing, you were actively telling people it was all lies and intended to do actual harm and claiming the vaccine was making people more susceptible to Covid and making Covid worse for those people who had been vaccinated and that the vaccine itself was resulting in mass death, all lies that can persuade someone to engage in more dangerous behavior even if they're elderly or have underlying conditions.

And you're not accountable to anyone for that behavior. 90% of people even here didn't agree with your madness but even they won't hold you accountable for it thinking "he's has a right to his bad opinion" is the same as "he shouldn't be told it's bad to do it for spreading that bad opinion."

I am far more concerned about the government and media spreading bad information about Covid that directly got people killed.

But the Government isn't here and is an impersonal thing. Kiero is right here still doing it and you won't call him out for it, though you know he's a whack job.

[Ratman_tf]

True. I am not going to forgive you for all the nonsense conspiracy theories you were peddling here.

Fuck you. I never threatened anyone's livelihood or ability to function, or threatened to ostracise them from society because they didn't comply with the jab.

Virtually all of my "conspiracy theories" have proven to be true. Unlike the fallacious narrative morons like you slavishly lapped up.

No really, they were not true. They were never true. Some of them even contradicted each other and had no internal consistency even in theory. They were completely paranoid and moronic. And guys like you probably did end in killing people indirectly by spreading falsehoods and convincing people who otherwise would have gotten the vaccine to not get it. Because you were not just casually disagreeing, you were actively telling people it was all lies and intended to do actual harm and claiming the vaccine was making people more susceptible to Covid and making Covid worse for those people who had been vaccinated and that the vaccine itself was resulting in mass death, all lies that can persuade someone to engage in more dangerous behavior even if they're elderly or have underlying conditions.

And you're not accountable to anyone for that behavior. 90% of people even here didn't agree with your madness but even they won't hold you accountable for it thinking "he's has a right to his bad opinion" is the same as "he shouldn't be told it's bad to do it for spreading that bad opinion."

I am far more concerned about the government and media spreading bad information about Covid that directly got people killed.

But the Government isn't here and is an impersonal thing. Kiero is right here still doing it and you won't call him out for it, though you know he's a whack job.

Yes. This is a personal thing between you and Kiero. Don't go looking for me to validate either of your positions.