Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[GeekyBugle]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

I'm against changing the definitions of words, for political purposes. "But they did it too!" isn't even a acceptable argument in kindergarten.

So, use the previous definition and see if it really applies to the jabs. If it did they wouldn't have changed it. Ergo the smart thing to do is to adhere to the previous one, just like the smart thing to do is to reject their re-definition of racism....

That's what I'm arguing for.

Here's the October 2019 definition from Wiktionary, the last before the Year of 14 Days. I'm using Wiktionary because it provides a verifiable and distributed history.

vaccine (countable and uncountable, plural vaccines)

    (immunology) A substance given to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease without causing the disease itself in the treatment, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute.

Wonder of wonder, vaccines are vaccines.

So, the jabs, that don't grant you immunity nor stop you from getting the commie coof or spreading it are vaccines because vaccines grant you immunity?

[Pat]

The only thing that stops you from being infected is complete isolation from other people. And animal reservoirs.

We have many real vaccines that do stop you from being infected because they trigger an immune response

Where's the facepalm emoji?

What does an immune response respond to? An infection. By definition, an immune response is a reaction to an infection, not something that stops an infection from happening in the first place.

I get that you're trying to troll, but this is really sad.

I'm trying to troll? Sure man

When fully boosted people are still being infected with Wuhan 3.0 then spin definitions of immune to me again. Cause that's some good trolling.

Oh, you're just an idiot.

Sorry for mistaking you for a troll.

[Pat]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

I'm against changing the definitions of words, for political purposes. "But they did it too!" isn't even a acceptable argument in kindergarten.

So, use the previous definition and see if it really applies to the jabs. If it did they wouldn't have changed it. Ergo the smart thing to do is to adhere to the previous one, just like the smart thing to do is to reject their re-definition of racism....

That's what I'm arguing for.

Here's the October 2019 definition from Wiktionary, the last before the Year of 14 Days. I'm using Wiktionary because it provides a verifiable and distributed history.

vaccine (countable and uncountable, plural vaccines)

    (immunology) A substance given to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease without causing the disease itself in the treatment, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute.

Wonder of wonder, vaccines are vaccines.

So, the jabs, that don't grant you immunity nor stop you from getting the commie coof or spreading it are vaccines because vaccines grant you immunity?

Learn what words mean.

[Shasarak]

The only thing that stops you from being infected is complete isolation from other people. And animal reservoirs.

We have many real vaccines that do stop you from being infected because they trigger an immune response

Where's the facepalm emoji?

What does an immune response respond to? An infection. By definition, an immune response is a reaction to an infection, not something that stops an infection from happening in the first place.

I get that you're trying to troll, but this is really sad.

I'm trying to troll? Sure man

When fully boosted people are still being infected with Wuhan 3.0 then spin definitions of immune to me again. Cause that's some good trolling.

Oh, you're just an idiot.

Sorry for mistaking you for a troll.

Not bad, but needs to be snappier.

[Kiero]

We have many real vaccines that do stop you from being infected because they trigger an immune response

Bingo! Like the measles vaccine, which only works 93% of the time. As in for the vast majority of people, it stops them contracting an infection altogether.

That only happens in around 1% of cases with the covid jabs, because they are not vaccines. Same as the flu jab is not a vaccine. Oh, they "trigger an immune response" - who gives a fuck if that doesn't actually stop an infection, or frankly do anything else?

[Shasarak]

We have many real vaccines that do stop you from being infected because they trigger an immune response

Bingo! Like the measles vaccine, which only works 93% of the time. As in for the vast majority of people, it stops them contracting an infection altogether.

That only happens in around 1% of cases with the covid jabs, because they are not vaccines. Same as the flu jab is not a vaccine. Oh, they "trigger an immune response" - who gives a fuck if that doesn't actually stop an infection, or frankly do anything else?

They should just have called it a therapeutic but it would have been harder to get the Karens riled up.

[Pat]

We have many real vaccines that do stop you from being infected because they trigger an immune response

Bingo! Like the measles vaccine, which only works 93% of the time. As in for the vast majority of people, it stops them contracting an infection altogether.

That only happens in around 1% of cases with the covid jabs, because they are not vaccines. Same as the flu jab is not a vaccine. Oh, they "trigger an immune response" - who gives a fuck if that doesn't actually stop an infection, or frankly do anything else?

Nope, that's not how vaccines work. The measles vaccine doesn't create a magical shield that viruses bounce off. What it does is create a robust immune response, when you are infected. They may prevent a symptomatic infection, or prevent the expression of the disease. But if your T cells and so on got activated, you were infected.

This is medicine 101.

And the covid vaccines do stop an infection. Not in the upper respiratory track, but the in lower. That's why they're terrible at preventing the spread, and why many vaxxed people become symptomatic, but it's also why the more severe effects are mitigated.

And they're vaccines. You can't redefine words just because you don't like something. It's like calling you subhuman because you keep posting this stuff.

[Kiero]

Nope, that's not how vaccines work. The measles vaccine doesn't create a magical shield that viruses bounce off. What it does is create a robust immune response, when you are infected. They may prevent a symptomatic infection, or prevent the expression of the disease. But if your T cells and so on got activated, you were infected.

This is medicine 101.

And the covid vaccines do stop an infection. Not in the upper respiratory track, but the in lower. That's why they're terrible at preventing the spread, and why many vaxxed people become symptomatic, but it's also why the more severe effects are mitigated.

And they're vaccines. You can't redefine words just because you don't like something. It's like calling you subhuman because you keep posting this stuff.

You're dissembling, which is classic ego defense, trying to justify the fact that you were sold snake oil. Which I get, but it's really rather silly.

"Stopping an infection in the lower respiratory tract" (which frankly sound like bollocks invented by the manufacturers) is irrelevant, given as you admit it doesn't stop onward transmission, and it also doesn't stop vulnerable people from dying. It is utterly pointless.

They're not vaccines, vaccines prevent infection. Which they categorically do not.

[HappyDaze]

We have many real vaccines that do stop you from being infected because they trigger an immune response

Bingo! Like the measles vaccine, which only works 93% of the time. As in for the vast majority of people, it stops them contracting an infection altogether.

That only happens in around 1% of cases with the covid jabs, because they are not vaccines. Same as the flu jab is not a vaccine. Oh, they "trigger an immune response" - who gives a fuck if that doesn't actually stop an infection, or frankly do anything else?

Nope, that's not how vaccines work. The measles vaccine doesn't create a magical shield that viruses bounce off. What it does is create a robust immune response, when you are infected. They may prevent a symptomatic infection, or prevent the expression of the disease. But if your T cells and so on got activated, you were infected.

This is medicine 101.

And the covid vaccines do stop an infection. Not in the upper respiratory track, but the in lower. That's why they're terrible at preventing the spread, and why many vaxxed people become symptomatic, but it's also why the more severe effects are mitigated.

And they're vaccines. You can't redefine words just because you don't like something. It's like calling you subhuman because you keep posting this stuff.

Perhaps take advice from the tale of Joe and just tell them you can talk to the virus and it doesn't like the vaccine.

[Kiero]

Perhaps take advice from the tale of Joe and just tell them you can talk to the virus and it doesn't like the vaccine.

How cute, HappyDerp thinks "logic and reason" were involved in his bovine acceptance of the narrative.

[Mistwell]

How is it some of you think a vaccine can prevent all infection? How would the vaccine respond to the virus if you're not infected with the virus? What is it you imagine the vaccine can do, prior to being infected, to prevent infection? Or maybe I should ask, what is it you think the word infection means?

[jeff37923]

This is another example of Mistwell being a liar by misrepresenting the argument.

How is it some of you think a vaccine can prevent all infection?

Nobody has said that the vaccine is a panacea against ALL infections. That is your lie.

How would the vaccine respond to the virus if you're not infected with the virus?

A vaccine works by stimulating your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first. So, the vaccine infects you with a dead virus.

What is it you imagine the vaccine can do, prior to being infected, to prevent infection?

See above. Or at least relearn high school biology.

Or maybe I should ask, what is it you think the word infection means?

Hell, considering that you apparently don't know how a vaccine works, you should ask yourself if you understand what you are trying to say first.

Fucking tourist.....

[Pat]

Nope, that's not how vaccines work. The measles vaccine doesn't create a magical shield that viruses bounce off. What it does is create a robust immune response, when you are infected. They may prevent a symptomatic infection, or prevent the expression of the disease. But if your T cells and so on got activated, you were infected.

This is medicine 101.

And the covid vaccines do stop an infection. Not in the upper respiratory track, but the in lower. That's why they're terrible at preventing the spread, and why many vaxxed people become symptomatic, but it's also why the more severe effects are mitigated.

And they're vaccines. You can't redefine words just because you don't like something. It's like calling you subhuman because you keep posting this stuff.

You're dissembling, which is classic ego defense, trying to justify the fact that you were sold snake oil. Which I get, but it's really rather silly.

"Stopping an infection in the lower respiratory tract" (which frankly sound like bollocks invented by the manufacturers) is irrelevant, given as you admit it doesn't stop onward transmission, and it also doesn't stop vulnerable people from dying. It is utterly pointless.

They're not vaccines, vaccines prevent infection. Which they categorically do not.

Look, we get it. Your education in matters medical hasn't gotten as far as germ theory. You believe in humors, leeches, and that disease is caused by evil spirits.

[Shasarak]

Kiero is not on the side advocating for surgical masks stopping viruses.

But please, tell us more of this "germ" theory

[Eirikrautha]

Nope, that's not how vaccines work. The measles vaccine doesn't create a magical shield that viruses bounce off. What it does is create a robust immune response, when you are infected. They may prevent a symptomatic infection, or prevent the expression of the disease. But if your T cells and so on got activated, you were infected.

This is medicine 101.

And the covid vaccines do stop an infection. Not in the upper respiratory track, but the in lower. That's why they're terrible at preventing the spread, and why many vaxxed people become symptomatic, but it's also why the more severe effects are mitigated.

And they're vaccines. You can't redefine words just because you don't like something. It's like calling you subhuman because you keep posting this stuff.

You're dissembling, which is classic ego defense, trying to justify the fact that you were sold snake oil. Which I get, but it's really rather silly.

"Stopping an infection in the lower respiratory tract" (which frankly sound like bollocks invented by the manufacturers) is irrelevant, given as you admit it doesn't stop onward transmission, and it also doesn't stop vulnerable people from dying. It is utterly pointless.

They're not vaccines, vaccines prevent infection. Which they categorically do not.

Look, we get it. Your education in matters medical hasn't gotten as far as germ theory. You believe in humors, leeches, and that disease is caused by evil spirits.

CDC <2020:
"vaccination" = "The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease"
"vaccine" = "A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose."
"immunity" = "Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected."

CDC >2021
"vaccine" = "A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose."
"vaccination" = "The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease."

So, which of these sets 0f definitions is correct?  The definition of immunity that says "you can be exposed to it without becoming infected"? (Pro tip, both the previous and present definitions say that...)