Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[fixable]

No, Kiero was clearly wrong, because he turned a general statement into an absolute. Nobody disagrees that Africa has relatively few elderly, but Kiero said there was "no need whatsoever", implying an entire continent had an elderly population of zero. That's simply incorrect.

The rest of this has just been people reflexively supporting their side, and ignoring the fact that everyone essentially agrees. Including Kiero, as evidenced by his later posts. This is just sound and fury, signifying tribalism.

Not exactly. See the thing is nobody needs the jabs. They don't work, and worse still, have an unknown spectrum of medium and long term risks.

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

Vaccines save lives and are safe. I'll provide a scientific study to prove it for every nonsense article from Medium you provide that states they aren't safe... but that'll be a problem for you. You can shout until you are blue in the face but you don't have the science backing you.

Stop messing with people. Everyone who can get a vaccination should get a vaccine and we can finally move on from this.

[Kiero]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

I've never been jabbed, my annual bout with covid has been milder and milder still. I have never required medical attention, and I've been repeatedly exposed to people who had tested positive with little consequence.

Since we're trading anecdotes as though they were persuasive, I know plenty of other people who haven't been jabbed and similarly covid was a nothingburger for them. Even people much less healthy than myself.

Vaccines save lives and are safe. I'll provide a scientific study to prove it for every nonsense article from Medium you provide that states they aren't safe... but that'll be a problem for you. You can shout until you are blue in the face but you don't have the science backing you.

They fail all three basic tests of a medication: they are unnecessary, ineffective and unsafe. You can't provide any evidence that isn't paid for by the manufacturers to give the result they desired. I suppose you missed the data released by Pfizer (against the wishes of the FDA they paid good money for) showing in the first three months of their trial, over 1,200 people died? Or that they deliberately breached the blind in the trial and gave everyone their poison?

You don't have "science" backing you, only The Science! (TM).

Stop messing with people. Everyone who can get a vaccination should get a vaccine and we can finally move on from this.

I'm not messing with anyone, and there's no fucking way either I or my children are ever having that poison injected into us. There is no pandemic to "move on from", nor was there ever. There was a nasty strain of coronavirus in spring 2020, which was cynically used by governments to push an agenda.

[Pat]

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

Vaccines save lives and are safe. I'll provide a scientific study to prove it for every nonsense article from Medium you provide that states they aren't safe... but that'll be a problem for you. You can shout until you are blue in the face but you don't have the science backing you.

Stop messing with people. Everyone who can get a vaccination should get a vaccine and we can finally move on from this.

1) What are the long term effects of the vaccinations?

2) What's the incidence of myocarditis among boys and men up to age 24, after taking the vax? After covid-19? What's the IFR among males in the same age range? What's the IFR of covid-19 compared to the flu, in the same group? (If you feel the urge to cite the recent CDC study, explain why it's garbage.)

3) Which provides greater immunity: A previous covid-19 infection, or a dose of one of the vaccines?

4) Would universal vaccination eradicate sars-cov-2?

5) How many scientific studies have you read?

[Pat]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

[Eirikrautha]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

[Pat]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

I'm against changing the definitions of words, for political purposes. "But they did it too!" isn't even a acceptable argument in kindergarten.

[GeekyBugle]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

I'm against changing the definitions of words, for political purposes. "But they did it too!" isn't even a acceptable argument in kindergarten.

So, use the previous definition and see if it really applies to the jabs. If it did they wouldn't have changed it. Ergo the smart thing to do is to adhere to the previous one, just like the smart thing to do is to reject their re-definition of racism....

[Pat]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

I'm against changing the definitions of words, for political purposes. "But they did it too!" isn't even a acceptable argument in kindergarten.

So, use the previous definition and see if it really applies to the jabs. If it did they wouldn't have changed it. Ergo the smart thing to do is to adhere to the previous one, just like the smart thing to do is to reject their re-definition of racism....

That's what I'm arguing for.

Here's the October 2019 definition from Wiktionary, the last before the Year of 14 Days. I'm using Wiktionary because it provides a verifiable and distributed history.

vaccine (countable and uncountable, plural vaccines)

    (immunology) A substance given to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease without causing the disease itself in the treatment, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute.

Wonder of wonder, vaccines are vaccines.

[Shasarak]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

I'm against changing the definitions of words, for political purposes. "But they did it too!" isn't even a acceptable argument in kindergarten.

So, use the previous definition and see if it really applies to the jabs. If it did they wouldn't have changed it. Ergo the smart thing to do is to adhere to the previous one, just like the smart thing to do is to reject their re-definition of racism....

That's what I'm arguing for.

Here's the October 2019 definition from Wiktionary, the last before the Year of 14 Days. I'm using Wiktionary because it provides a verifiable and distributed history.

vaccine (countable and uncountable, plural vaccines)

    (immunology) A substance given to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease without causing the disease itself in the treatment, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute.

Wonder of wonder, vaccines are vaccines.

What does immunity mean?

I think that's where you lose most people.

[Pat]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

I'm against changing the definitions of words, for political purposes. "But they did it too!" isn't even a acceptable argument in kindergarten.

So, use the previous definition and see if it really applies to the jabs. If it did they wouldn't have changed it. Ergo the smart thing to do is to adhere to the previous one, just like the smart thing to do is to reject their re-definition of racism....

That's what I'm arguing for.

Here's the October 2019 definition from Wiktionary, the last before the Year of 14 Days. I'm using Wiktionary because it provides a verifiable and distributed history.

vaccine (countable and uncountable, plural vaccines)

    (immunology) A substance given to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease without causing the disease itself in the treatment, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute.

Wonder of wonder, vaccines are vaccines.

What does immunity mean?

I think that's where you lose most people.

Same as it's always meant. It's something that triggers an immune response, which can be a dead pathogen or an artificial substitute. The "bounces off your chest" definition of immunity is not the one used in any medical context.

The problem with the covid vaccines is they trigger an immune response, but they don't do it in the upper respiratory system where respiratory viruses first enter the body and start replicating. That's why people still can get sick and display symptoms, because the virus is able to muster its forces before it reaches the part of the body with an active immune response. It's also why people have been vaccinated still spread the disease so easily, because the upper respiratory system is how we infect each other. In contrast, the natural immunity that develops after being infected includes mucosal immunity, which does protect the upper respiratory tract.

[Shasarak]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

I'm against changing the definitions of words, for political purposes. "But they did it too!" isn't even a acceptable argument in kindergarten.

So, use the previous definition and see if it really applies to the jabs. If it did they wouldn't have changed it. Ergo the smart thing to do is to adhere to the previous one, just like the smart thing to do is to reject their re-definition of racism....

That's what I'm arguing for.

Here's the October 2019 definition from Wiktionary, the last before the Year of 14 Days. I'm using Wiktionary because it provides a verifiable and distributed history.

vaccine (countable and uncountable, plural vaccines)

    (immunology) A substance given to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease without causing the disease itself in the treatment, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute.

Wonder of wonder, vaccines are vaccines.

What does immunity mean?

I think that's where you lose most people.

Same as it's always meant. It's something that triggers an immune response, which can be a dead pathogen or an artificial substitute. The "bounces off your chest" definition of immunity is not the one used in any medical context.

The problem with the covid vaccines is they trigger an immune response, but they don't do it in the upper respiratory system where respiratory viruses first enter the body and start replicating. That's why people still can get sick and display symptoms, because the virus is able to muster its forces before it reaches the part of the body with an active immune response. It's also why people have been vaccinated still spread the disease so easily, because the upper respiratory system is how we infect each other. In contrast, the natural immunity that develops after being infected includes mucosal immunity, which does protect the upper respiratory tract.

So immunity is something that triggers an immune response?

And not, for example, something that stops you from being infected.

[Pat]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

I'm against changing the definitions of words, for political purposes. "But they did it too!" isn't even a acceptable argument in kindergarten.

So, use the previous definition and see if it really applies to the jabs. If it did they wouldn't have changed it. Ergo the smart thing to do is to adhere to the previous one, just like the smart thing to do is to reject their re-definition of racism....

That's what I'm arguing for.

Here's the October 2019 definition from Wiktionary, the last before the Year of 14 Days. I'm using Wiktionary because it provides a verifiable and distributed history.

vaccine (countable and uncountable, plural vaccines)

    (immunology) A substance given to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease without causing the disease itself in the treatment, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute.

Wonder of wonder, vaccines are vaccines.

What does immunity mean?

I think that's where you lose most people.

Same as it's always meant. It's something that triggers an immune response, which can be a dead pathogen or an artificial substitute. The "bounces off your chest" definition of immunity is not the one used in any medical context.

The problem with the covid vaccines is they trigger an immune response, but they don't do it in the upper respiratory system where respiratory viruses first enter the body and start replicating. That's why people still can get sick and display symptoms, because the virus is able to muster its forces before it reaches the part of the body with an active immune response. It's also why people have been vaccinated still spread the disease so easily, because the upper respiratory system is how we infect each other. In contrast, the natural immunity that develops after being infected includes mucosal immunity, which does protect the upper respiratory tract.

So immunity is something that triggers an immune response?

And not, for example, something that stops you from being infected.

The only thing that stops you from being infected is complete isolation from other people. And animal reservoirs.

[Shasarak]

This has to be the most unintentionally hilarious post I've read this week. Are you delusional? On someone's payroll?

Of course the vaccines work. Everyone I know who are vaccinated and got covid had at worse minor symptoms. Stop being dumb.

They're not vaccines. A vaccine prevents infection, these jabs categorically do not (well, ARR of around 1%, do you fancy those chances?).

They're vaccines. They're vaccines that don't block the disease in the upper respiratory system, like natural immunity does, so they allow the virus to generate many copies of itself before the immune system reacts, making them very leaky. But you don't get to redefine words.

Why not?  The CDC changed the definition of "vaccine" simply for this one (the emails have leaked where they specifically referenced the Pfizer vaccine as the reason for changing the definitions on their website).  So, my response would be, what's good for the goose...

I'm against changing the definitions of words, for political purposes. "But they did it too!" isn't even a acceptable argument in kindergarten.

So, use the previous definition and see if it really applies to the jabs. If it did they wouldn't have changed it. Ergo the smart thing to do is to adhere to the previous one, just like the smart thing to do is to reject their re-definition of racism....

That's what I'm arguing for.

Here's the October 2019 definition from Wiktionary, the last before the Year of 14 Days. I'm using Wiktionary because it provides a verifiable and distributed history.

vaccine (countable and uncountable, plural vaccines)

    (immunology) A substance given to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease without causing the disease itself in the treatment, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute.

Wonder of wonder, vaccines are vaccines.

What does immunity mean?

I think that's where you lose most people.

Same as it's always meant. It's something that triggers an immune response, which can be a dead pathogen or an artificial substitute. The "bounces off your chest" definition of immunity is not the one used in any medical context.

The problem with the covid vaccines is they trigger an immune response, but they don't do it in the upper respiratory system where respiratory viruses first enter the body and start replicating. That's why people still can get sick and display symptoms, because the virus is able to muster its forces before it reaches the part of the body with an active immune response. It's also why people have been vaccinated still spread the disease so easily, because the upper respiratory system is how we infect each other. In contrast, the natural immunity that develops after being infected includes mucosal immunity, which does protect the upper respiratory tract.

So immunity is something that triggers an immune response?

And not, for example, something that stops you from being infected.

The only thing that stops you from being infected is complete isolation from other people. And animal reservoirs.

We have many real vaccines that do stop you from being infected because they trigger an immune response

[Pat]

The only thing that stops you from being infected is complete isolation from other people. And animal reservoirs.

We have many real vaccines that do stop you from being infected because they trigger an immune response

Where's the facepalm emoji?

What does an immune response respond to? An infection. By definition, an immune response is a reaction to an infection, not something that stops an infection from happening in the first place.

I get that you're trying to troll, but this is really sad.

[Shasarak]

The only thing that stops you from being infected is complete isolation from other people. And animal reservoirs.

We have many real vaccines that do stop you from being infected because they trigger an immune response

Where's the facepalm emoji?

What does an immune response respond to? An infection. By definition, an immune response is a reaction to an infection, not something that stops an infection from happening in the first place.

I get that you're trying to troll, but this is really sad.

I'm trying to troll? Sure man

When fully boosted people are still being infected with Wuhan 3.0 then spin definitions of immune to me again. Cause that's some good trolling.