Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Mistwell]

There are no old people in Africa?

You're generalizing far too broadly.

There are hardly any people 80+, which is about the only age group at meaningful risk.

Best data I could find in a 30 second google search, "In sub-Saharan Africa there were around 2.4 million people age 80 and over in 2005, and this number is projected to nearly triple to 6.1 million by 2030."

You are still the stupidest person on any message board I've ever been to. I am assuming you thought there were hardly any people over 80 on the entire continent of Africa for some racist reason. Because that's the level of stupid you're at.

[Pat]

There are no old people in Africa?

You're generalizing far too broadly.

There are hardly any people 80+, which is about the only age group at meaningful risk.

"Hardly any" may be better than "no need whatsoever", but Africa's a big and populous continent. You need to move the goalposts even further.

[GeekyBugle]

The current population of Africa is 1,397,959,832 as of Sunday, April 17, 2022, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So lets take the 6.1 million over 80 as the actual number.

This means that 0.44% of the African population is in the 80+ category.

In contrast Europe has 27.3 million elderly. With a population of 746, 400,000.

So Europe has half the population but 4 times the elderly.

I do think that facts are racist for midwits like mistwell but they remain facts.

Add to it they have less overweight ppl than other places and they don't lack vitamin D...

I would guess there's health risks they should be way more worried about than the commie coof.

[Mistwell]

The current population of Africa is 1,397,959,832 as of Sunday, April 17, 2022, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So lets take the 6.1 million over 80 as the actual number.

This means that 0.44% of the African population is in the 80+ category.

Who cares what "percentage" of the population might be? MILLIONS of people is "a lot" and not "hardly any". We all know this. If someone tells you 6 million people could die in Africa, that's not "hardly any" people. It's a lot.

[GeekyBugle]

The current population of Africa is 1,397,959,832 as of Sunday, April 17, 2022, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So lets take the 6.1 million over 80 as the actual number.

This means that 0.44% of the African population is in the 80+ category.

Who cares what "percentage" of the population might be? MILLIONS of people is "a lot" and not "hardly any". We all know this. If someone tells you 6 million people could die in Africa, that's not "hardly any" people. It's a lot.

Not as a percentage of the total population it isn't. But "If it saves one life" no?

The fact is Africa has other stuff to worry about and not the commie coof.

[Mistwell]

The current population of Africa is 1,397,959,832 as of Sunday, April 17, 2022, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So lets take the 6.1 million over 80 as the actual number.

This means that 0.44% of the African population is in the 80+ category.

Who cares what "percentage" of the population might be? MILLIONS of people is "a lot" and not "hardly any". We all know this. If someone tells you 6 million people could die in Africa, that's not "hardly any" people. It's a lot.

Not as a percentage of the total population it isn't. But "If it saves one life" no?

The fact is Africa has other stuff to worry about and not the commie coof.

WTF is wrong with your brain that you equate 6 million people to "save one life"? How fucked up are you that you are unable to discern the difference between 6 million and 1?

[GeekyBugle]

The current population of Africa is 1,397,959,832 as of Sunday, April 17, 2022, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So lets take the 6.1 million over 80 as the actual number.

This means that 0.44% of the African population is in the 80+ category.

Who cares what "percentage" of the population might be? MILLIONS of people is "a lot" and not "hardly any". We all know this. If someone tells you 6 million people could die in Africa, that's not "hardly any" people. It's a lot.

Not as a percentage of the total population it isn't. But "If it saves one life" no?

The fact is Africa has other stuff to worry about and not the commie coof.

WTF is wrong with your brain that you equate 6 million people to "save one life"? How fucked up are you that you are unable to discern the difference between 6 million and 1?

WTF is wrong with you that can't see 6 million elderly =/= 6 million deaths from the commie coof? True they are more at risk, doesn't mean ALL will get it or die from it.

Africa has way more pressing health issues to worry about:

2019 total deaths in Africa from

Diarrhoeal diseases 6,933,880.76672

HIV/AIDS 6,081,125.2692

Ischaemic heart disease 5,997,247.67928

Stroke 5,955,308.88432

Malaria 5,424,084.14816

Tuberculosis 5,284,288.16496

Road Injury 4,151,940.70104

Cirrosis of the liver 2,726,021.6724

Those are actual deaths, and we can safely assume it's about the same every year from the same causes. Just from the first 6 you're well above 30 million dead every year.

[Pat]

The current population of Africa is 1,397,959,832 as of Sunday, April 17, 2022, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So lets take the 6.1 million over 80 as the actual number.

This means that 0.44% of the African population is in the 80+ category.

Who cares what "percentage" of the population might be? MILLIONS of people is "a lot" and not "hardly any". We all know this. If someone tells you 6 million people could die in Africa, that's not "hardly any" people. It's a lot.

Not as a percentage of the total population it isn't. But "If it saves one life" no?

The fact is Africa has other stuff to worry about and not the commie coof.

WTF is wrong with your brain that you equate 6 million people to "save one life"? How fucked up are you that you are unable to discern the difference between 6 million and 1?

WTF is wrong with you that can't see 6 million elderly =/= 6 million deaths from the commie coof? True they are more at risk, doesn't mean ALL will get it or die from it.

Africa has way more pressing health issues to worry about:

2019 total deaths in Africa from

Diarrhoeal diseases 6,933,880.76672

HIV/AIDS 6,081,125.2692

Ischaemic heart disease 5,997,247.67928

Stroke 5,955,308.88432

Malaria 5,424,084.14816

Tuberculosis 5,284,288.16496

Road Injury 4,151,940.70104

Cirrosis of the liver 2,726,021.6724

Those are actual deaths, and we can safely assume it's about the same every year from the same causes. Just from the first 6 you're well above 30 million dead every year.

And a lot of those are more difficult to manage, and there is less political will.

Remember, this conversation started over what should be prioritized in the public health response to covid. And clearly, making a first dose available to high risk populations like the elderly or immunocompromised in areas where few are vaccinated is far more important than ensuring Karen's son has his 4th jab.

It's true, that Africa has very low overall risk compared to other parts of the world. The average age is stunningly low. There are also other factors in their favor, like plenty of Vitamin D. But they still have an elderly population, and other populations like those with AIDS may also be at very high risk. There are also many other areas of the world with low vaccination rates, which might be improved by availability and public messaging and other legitimate tools of public health, instead of the body horror human rights violations committed by the state in the so-called "free world".

This back and forth is more virtue signaling than anything else.

[GeekyBugle]

The current population of Africa is 1,397,959,832 as of Sunday, April 17, 2022, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So lets take the 6.1 million over 80 as the actual number.

This means that 0.44% of the African population is in the 80+ category.

Who cares what "percentage" of the population might be? MILLIONS of people is "a lot" and not "hardly any". We all know this. If someone tells you 6 million people could die in Africa, that's not "hardly any" people. It's a lot.

Not as a percentage of the total population it isn't. But "If it saves one life" no?

The fact is Africa has other stuff to worry about and not the commie coof.

WTF is wrong with your brain that you equate 6 million people to "save one life"? How fucked up are you that you are unable to discern the difference between 6 million and 1?

WTF is wrong with you that can't see 6 million elderly =/= 6 million deaths from the commie coof? True they are more at risk, doesn't mean ALL will get it or die from it.

Africa has way more pressing health issues to worry about:

2019 total deaths in Africa from

Diarrhoeal diseases 6,933,880.76672

HIV/AIDS 6,081,125.2692

Ischaemic heart disease 5,997,247.67928

Stroke 5,955,308.88432

Malaria 5,424,084.14816

Tuberculosis 5,284,288.16496

Road Injury 4,151,940.70104

Cirrosis of the liver 2,726,021.6724

Those are actual deaths, and we can safely assume it's about the same every year from the same causes. Just from the first 6 you're well above 30 million dead every year.

And a lot of those are more difficult to manage, and there is less political will.

Remember, this conversation started over what should be prioritized in the public health response to covid. And clearly, making a first dose available to high risk populations like the elderly or immunocompromised in areas where few are vaccinated is far more important than ensuring Karen's son has his 4th jab.

It's true, that Africa has very low overall risk compared to other parts of the world. The average age is stunningly low. There are also other factors in their favor, like plenty of Vitamin D. But they still have an elderly population, and other populations like those with AIDS may also be at very high risk. There are also many other areas of the world with low vaccination rates, which might be improved by availability and public messaging and other legitimate tools of public health, instead of the body horror human rights violations committed by the state in the so-called "free world".

This back and forth is more virtue signaling than anything else.

I don't disagree with you, my main point was that Kiero was right. Africa has very few elderly.

The life expectancy in Africa is very low, they die younger and have a larger reproduction rate than the "free world" which accounts for the small number of elderly among their population.

[Pat]

I don't disagree with you, my main point was that Kiero was right. Africa has very few elderly.

The life expectancy in Africa is very low, they die younger and have a larger reproduction rate than the "free world" which accounts for the small number of elderly among their population.

No, Kiero was clearly wrong, because he turned a general statement into an absolute. Nobody disagrees that Africa has relatively few elderly, but Kiero said there was "no need whatsoever", implying an entire continent had an elderly population of zero. That's simply incorrect.

The rest of this has just been people reflexively supporting their side, and ignoring the fact that everyone essentially agrees. Including Kiero, as evidenced by his later posts. This is just sound and fury, signifying tribalism.

[Mistwell]

The current population of Africa is 1,397,959,832 as of Sunday, April 17, 2022, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So lets take the 6.1 million over 80 as the actual number.

This means that 0.44% of the African population is in the 80+ category.

Who cares what "percentage" of the population might be? MILLIONS of people is "a lot" and not "hardly any". We all know this. If someone tells you 6 million people could die in Africa, that's not "hardly any" people. It's a lot.

Not as a percentage of the total population it isn't. But "If it saves one life" no?

The fact is Africa has other stuff to worry about and not the commie coof.

WTF is wrong with your brain that you equate 6 million people to "save one life"? How fucked up are you that you are unable to discern the difference between 6 million and 1?

WTF is wrong with you that can't see 6 million elderly =/= 6 million deaths from the commie coof? True they are more at risk, doesn't mean ALL will get it or die from it.

Wow you didn't even follow the conversation. We were talking about if a booster is useful for the elderly and immune compromised. I said I thought it was. Pat mentioned a better use of doses is getting a first dose to places like Africa. We were discussing at least getting Africa a first dose for those vulnerable. Dumbshit Kiero said there are hardly any elderly there so why bother. I said there are millions of elderly there.

And here you are jumping in claiming "well they won't all die" as if the conversation wasn't about "a first dose to vulnerable people in Africa might be a better application of our efforts than boosting every healthy person in the first world".

You all caught up now? While yes Africa ALSO suffers from other problems that is not in fact a response to "A better use of doses might be to get a first dose to those vulnerable in Africa."

[Ogre]

The current population of Africa is 1,397,959,832 as of Sunday, April 17, 2022, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So lets take the 6.1 million over 80 as the actual number.

This means that 0.44% of the African population is in the 80+ category.

Who cares what "percentage" of the population might be? MILLIONS of people is "a lot" and not "hardly any". We all know this. If someone tells you 6 million people could die in Africa, that's not "hardly any" people. It's a lot.

Not as a percentage of the total population it isn't. But "If it saves one life" no?

The fact is Africa has other stuff to worry about and not the commie coof.

WTF is wrong with your brain that you equate 6 million people to "save one life"? How fucked up are you that you are unable to discern the difference between 6 million and 1?

WTF is wrong with you that can't see 6 million elderly =/= 6 million deaths from the commie coof? True they are more at risk, doesn't mean ALL will get it or die from it.

Wow you didn't even follow the conversation. We were talking about if a booster is useful for the elderly and immune compromised. I said I thought it was. Pat mentioned a better use of doses is getting a first dose to places like Africa. We were discussing at least getting Africa a first dose for those vulnerable. Dumbshit Kiero said there are hardly any elderly there so why bother. I said there are millions of elderly there.

And here you are jumping in claiming "well they won't all die" as if the conversation wasn't about "a first dose to vulnerable people in Africa might be a better application of our efforts than boosting every healthy person in the first world".

You all caught up now? While yes Africa ALSO suffers from other problems that is not in fact a response to "A better use of doses might be to get a first dose to those vulnerable in Africa."

Misty can you try to steelman this instead. Just tired of you attacking straw for years on end

[Mistwell]

The current population of Africa is 1,397,959,832 as of Sunday, April 17, 2022, based on the latest United Nations estimates.

So lets take the 6.1 million over 80 as the actual number.

This means that 0.44% of the African population is in the 80+ category.

Who cares what "percentage" of the population might be? MILLIONS of people is "a lot" and not "hardly any". We all know this. If someone tells you 6 million people could die in Africa, that's not "hardly any" people. It's a lot.

Not as a percentage of the total population it isn't. But "If it saves one life" no?

The fact is Africa has other stuff to worry about and not the commie coof.

WTF is wrong with your brain that you equate 6 million people to "save one life"? How fucked up are you that you are unable to discern the difference between 6 million and 1?

WTF is wrong with you that can't see 6 million elderly =/= 6 million deaths from the commie coof? True they are more at risk, doesn't mean ALL will get it or die from it.

Wow you didn't even follow the conversation. We were talking about if a booster is useful for the elderly and immune compromised. I said I thought it was. Pat mentioned a better use of doses is getting a first dose to places like Africa. We were discussing at least getting Africa a first dose for those vulnerable. Dumbshit Kiero said there are hardly any elderly there so why bother. I said there are millions of elderly there.

And here you are jumping in claiming "well they won't all die" as if the conversation wasn't about "a first dose to vulnerable people in Africa might be a better application of our efforts than boosting every healthy person in the first world".

You all caught up now? While yes Africa ALSO suffers from other problems that is not in fact a response to "A better use of doses might be to get a first dose to those vulnerable in Africa."

Misty can you try to steelman this instead. Just tired of you attacking straw for years on end

LOL Oh ok, what argument did I just misrepresent in that summary? Or you just not sure what to say so you figured a random personal bash on me would do the trick whether or not it was actually applicable to the thread?

[Kiero]

No, Kiero was clearly wrong, because he turned a general statement into an absolute. Nobody disagrees that Africa has relatively few elderly, but Kiero said there was "no need whatsoever", implying an entire continent had an elderly population of zero. That's simply incorrect.

The rest of this has just been people reflexively supporting their side, and ignoring the fact that everyone essentially agrees. Including Kiero, as evidenced by his later posts. This is just sound and fury, signifying tribalism.

Not exactly. See the thing is nobody needs the jabs. They don't work, and worse still, have an unknown spectrum of medium and long term risks.

[Pat]

No, Kiero was clearly wrong, because he turned a general statement into an absolute. Nobody disagrees that Africa has relatively few elderly, but Kiero said there was "no need whatsoever", implying an entire continent had an elderly population of zero. That's simply incorrect.

The rest of this has just been people reflexively supporting their side, and ignoring the fact that everyone essentially agrees. Including Kiero, as evidenced by his later posts. This is just sound and fury, signifying tribalism.

Not exactly. See the thing is nobody needs the jabs. They don't work, and worse still, have an unknown spectrum of medium and long term risks.

You were still wrong, because that's a general argument not something specific to Africa. Here's what you said:

People in Africa have no need whatsoever for the covid jabs. They're not old enough or fat enough to be at any meaningful risk of covid, and they have plenty of HCQ to treat malaria about.

They're not "high risk", which is why their death rates from the deadly coof has been negligible.

That's not an argument about the dearth of information on the long term consequences of the jabs.