Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Kiero]

  The USA has all the vaxxed adults it is going to get IMO.   I think anyone who wanted it got it, people who did not get it, will not get it.

The confounding factor when comparing the US to the UK is that your population is, in general, even more unhealthy than ours. Obesity in particular maps with worse covid outcomes, irrespective of vaccination status.

[oggsmash]

  The USA has all the vaxxed adults it is going to get IMO.   I think anyone who wanted it got it, people who did not get it, will not get it.

The confounding factor when comparing the US to the UK is that your population is, in general, even more unhealthy than ours. Obesity in particular maps with worse covid outcomes, irrespective of vaccination status.

    Well, obesity also tends to signal a litany of other health issues, the USA has so many fat people, that they have fat people who are otherwise fairly healthy despite being fat.  So having a bunch of them does seem to make stats get jumbled.

[Fheredin]

I want to interject with two factors:

• The US has consistently lagged behind other nations since Delta.
• As Vitamin D deficiency is strongly linked to both obesity and to severe COVID risk (Vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin which gets diluted and absorbed by the extra fat in an obese person) it seems that had people actually been informed of Vitamin D supplementation properly, the added risk from Obesity would have been relatively low. There's also added risk that obese people will create autoimmunic antibodies (attacks the body instead of the virus) when either given the vaccine or exposed to a live virus, but again that may be a byproduct of severe Vitamin D deficiency.

[Mistwell]

  The USA has all the vaxxed adults it is going to get IMO.   I think anyone who wanted it got it, people who did not get it, will not get it.

The confounding factor when comparing the US to the UK is that your population is, in general, even more unhealthy than ours. Obesity in particular maps with worse covid outcomes, irrespective of vaccination status.

Obesity ALSO maps with political preference in America. The more conservative the area, the fatter they are.  In fact, from a study on the topic conducted pre-covid:

"residents of counties that voted Republican in the last presidential election had increased median incidence cardiovascular disease (11% median difference), diabetes (21%), obesity (13%), self-harm (22%), decreased median life expectancy (2%), and physical activity (19%) compared to residents of counties that voted Democrat. Collectively, these data indicates that counties that voted Republican in the 2016 election had very different health outcomes than those that voted Democratic, and generally had a greater proportion of their residents in poor health."

And that follows post-covid. People living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.

But let's not talk about that. It doesn't fit the agenda.

[oggsmash]

  The USA has all the vaxxed adults it is going to get IMO.   I think anyone who wanted it got it, people who did not get it, will not get it.

The confounding factor when comparing the US to the UK is that your population is, in general, even more unhealthy than ours. Obesity in particular maps with worse covid outcomes, irrespective of vaccination status.

Obesity ALSO maps with political preference in America. The more conservative the area, the fatter they are.  In fact, from a study on the topic, "residents of counties that voted Republican in the last presidential election had increased median incidence cardiovascular disease (11% median difference), diabetes (21%), obesity (13%), self-harm (22%), decreased median life expectancy (2%), and physical activity (19%) compared to residents of counties that voted Democrat. Collectively, these data indicates that counties that voted Republican in the 2016 election had very different health outcomes than those that voted Democratic, and generally had a greater proportion of their residents in poor health."

But let's not talk about that. It doesn't fit the agenda.

    I would not drill down too deeply on that, or you might find out something that is not going to fit your agenda.   Unless you are going to tell me that Mississippi has high rates of heart disease and obesity because the state is red on a political map.

[oggsmash]

  Detroit, Philadelphia, and Houston.  Fattest cities in the country, and all well known Red colored, Trump Strongholds.

[dkabq]

  The USA has all the vaxxed adults it is going to get IMO.   I think anyone who wanted it got it, people who did not get it, will not get it.

The confounding factor when comparing the US to the UK is that your population is, in general, even more unhealthy than ours. Obesity in particular maps with worse covid outcomes, irrespective of vaccination status.

Obesity ALSO maps with political preference in America. The more conservative the area, the fatter they are.  In fact, from a study on the topic conducted pre-covid:

"residents of counties that voted Republican in the last presidential election had increased median incidence cardiovascular disease (11% median difference), diabetes (21%), obesity (13%), self-harm (22%), decreased median life expectancy (2%), and physical activity (19%) compared to residents of counties that voted Democrat. Collectively, these data indicates that counties that voted Republican in the 2016 election had very different health outcomes than those that voted Democratic, and generally had a greater proportion of their residents in poor health."

And that follows post-covid. People living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.

But let's not talk about that. It doesn't fit the agenda.

Citation please. I'd like to read the study.

Or perhaps it is that obesity correlates with poverty,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198075/
"In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A)."

and that poverty correlates with more conservative counties.

Univariate analyses provide little real insight into complex data.

And finally, correlation does not imply causation.

[GeekyBugle]

  The USA has all the vaxxed adults it is going to get IMO.   I think anyone who wanted it got it, people who did not get it, will not get it.

The confounding factor when comparing the US to the UK is that your population is, in general, even more unhealthy than ours. Obesity in particular maps with worse covid outcomes, irrespective of vaccination status.

Obesity ALSO maps with political preference in America. The more conservative the area, the fatter they are.  In fact, from a study on the topic conducted pre-covid:

"residents of counties that voted Republican in the last presidential election had increased median incidence cardiovascular disease (11% median difference), diabetes (21%), obesity (13%), self-harm (22%), decreased median life expectancy (2%), and physical activity (19%) compared to residents of counties that voted Democrat. Collectively, these data indicates that counties that voted Republican in the 2016 election had very different health outcomes than those that voted Democratic, and generally had a greater proportion of their residents in poor health."

And that follows post-covid. People living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.

But let's not talk about that. It doesn't fit the agenda.

So the study PROVES that those people with those problems voted for the Orange Man Bad?

Or like dkabq says maybe those problems correlate with poverty?

Or we should assume that voting for the Orange Man Bad increases your risks of death/poor health?

[Ghostmaker]

  The USA has all the vaxxed adults it is going to get IMO.   I think anyone who wanted it got it, people who did not get it, will not get it.

The confounding factor when comparing the US to the UK is that your population is, in general, even more unhealthy than ours. Obesity in particular maps with worse covid outcomes, irrespective of vaccination status.

Obesity ALSO maps with political preference in America. The more conservative the area, the fatter they are.  In fact, from a study on the topic conducted pre-covid:

"residents of counties that voted Republican in the last presidential election had increased median incidence cardiovascular disease (11% median difference), diabetes (21%), obesity (13%), self-harm (22%), decreased median life expectancy (2%), and physical activity (19%) compared to residents of counties that voted Democrat. Collectively, these data indicates that counties that voted Republican in the 2016 election had very different health outcomes than those that voted Democratic, and generally had a greater proportion of their residents in poor health."

And that follows post-covid. People living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.

But let's not talk about that. It doesn't fit the agenda.

So the study PROVES that those people with those problems voted for the Orange Man Bad?

Or like dkabq says maybe those problems correlate with poverty?

Or we should assume that voting for the Orange Man Bad increases your risks of death/poor health?

Considering the rhetoric of the left, I would say voting for the bad orange man definitely incurs some personal risk.

I'm looking forward to when that issue equalizes.

[GeekyBugle]

  The USA has all the vaxxed adults it is going to get IMO.   I think anyone who wanted it got it, people who did not get it, will not get it.

The confounding factor when comparing the US to the UK is that your population is, in general, even more unhealthy than ours. Obesity in particular maps with worse covid outcomes, irrespective of vaccination status.

Obesity ALSO maps with political preference in America. The more conservative the area, the fatter they are.  In fact, from a study on the topic conducted pre-covid:

"residents of counties that voted Republican in the last presidential election had increased median incidence cardiovascular disease (11% median difference), diabetes (21%), obesity (13%), self-harm (22%), decreased median life expectancy (2%), and physical activity (19%) compared to residents of counties that voted Democrat. Collectively, these data indicates that counties that voted Republican in the 2016 election had very different health outcomes than those that voted Democratic, and generally had a greater proportion of their residents in poor health."

And that follows post-covid. People living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.

But let's not talk about that. It doesn't fit the agenda.

So the study PROVES that those people with those problems voted for the Orange Man Bad?

Or like dkabq says maybe those problems correlate with poverty?

Or we should assume that voting for the Orange Man Bad increases your risks of death/poor health?

Considering the rhetoric of the left, I would say voting for the bad orange man definitely incurs some personal risk.

I'm looking forward to when that issue equalizes.

Especially if they can ambush you and shoot you from the back.

[oggsmash]

  The USA has all the vaxxed adults it is going to get IMO.   I think anyone who wanted it got it, people who did not get it, will not get it.

The confounding factor when comparing the US to the UK is that your population is, in general, even more unhealthy than ours. Obesity in particular maps with worse covid outcomes, irrespective of vaccination status.

Obesity ALSO maps with political preference in America. The more conservative the area, the fatter they are.  In fact, from a study on the topic conducted pre-covid:

"residents of counties that voted Republican in the last presidential election had increased median incidence cardiovascular disease (11% median difference), diabetes (21%), obesity (13%), self-harm (22%), decreased median life expectancy (2%), and physical activity (19%) compared to residents of counties that voted Democrat. Collectively, these data indicates that counties that voted Republican in the 2016 election had very different health outcomes than those that voted Democratic, and generally had a greater proportion of their residents in poor health."

And that follows post-covid. People living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.

But let's not talk about that. It doesn't fit the agenda.

So the study PROVES that those people with those problems voted for the Orange Man Bad?

Or like dkabq says maybe those problems correlate with poverty?

Or we should assume that voting for the Orange Man Bad increases your risks of death/poor health?

Considering the rhetoric of the left, I would say voting for the bad orange man definitely incurs some personal risk.

I'm looking forward to when that issue equalizes.

Especially if they can ambush you and shoot you from the back.

  Well they say if you are fighting fair, you are not doing it right.

[jhkim]

Obesity ALSO maps with political preference in America. The more conservative the area, the fatter they are.  In fact, from a study on the topic conducted pre-covid:

"residents of counties that voted Republican in the last presidential election had increased median incidence cardiovascular disease (11% median difference), diabetes (21%), obesity (13%), self-harm (22%), decreased median life expectancy (2%), and physical activity (19%) compared to residents of counties that voted Democrat. Collectively, these data indicates that counties that voted Republican in the 2016 election had very different health outcomes than those that voted Democratic, and generally had a greater proportion of their residents in poor health."

And that follows post-covid. People living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.

But let's not talk about that. It doesn't fit the agenda.

Citation please. I'd like to read the study.

Or perhaps it is that obesity correlates with poverty,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198075/
"In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A)."

and that poverty correlates with more conservative counties.

Univariate analyses provide little real insight into complex data.

And finally, correlation does not imply causation.

From search, this is the paper:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0254001

[dkabq]

Obesity ALSO maps with political preference in America. The more conservative the area, the fatter they are.  In fact, from a study on the topic conducted pre-covid:

"residents of counties that voted Republican in the last presidential election had increased median incidence cardiovascular disease (11% median difference), diabetes (21%), obesity (13%), self-harm (22%), decreased median life expectancy (2%), and physical activity (19%) compared to residents of counties that voted Democrat. Collectively, these data indicates that counties that voted Republican in the 2016 election had very different health outcomes than those that voted Democratic, and generally had a greater proportion of their residents in poor health."

And that follows post-covid. People living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden.

But let's not talk about that. It doesn't fit the agenda.

Citation please. I'd like to read the study.

Or perhaps it is that obesity correlates with poverty,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198075/
"In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A)."

and that poverty correlates with more conservative counties.

Univariate analyses provide little real insight into complex data.

And finally, correlation does not imply causation.

From search, this is the paper:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0254001

Thanks.

Getting to read the paper let me see that they actually did a multivariate analysis, so I retract that comment.

You have to read all the way to the end (2nd to last paragraph) to get to:
"As our multivariate analysis found, the public health of counties is strongly correlated with the education level, socio-economic status and demographics of counties, making it hard to quantify the independent relationship between each public health variable and voting. Any multivariate analysis with highly correlated variables can be very fragile, and this is certainly true in our case. As previously mentioned, counties that voted Democratic in the 2020 election accounted for 70% of the US GDP. The socioeconomic status of counties will have a major impact on both healthcare access and the health of those living in those counties."

[Spinachcat]

When does the pandemic end?

It will never end.

It ends when We the People refuse to comply.

Mass non-compliance destroys the entire Covidiot system.

[Kiero]

It ends when We the People refuse to comply.

Mass non-compliance destroys the entire Covidiot system.

Most people are bovine cowards, so it will never end.