Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Pat]

Somebody should create a variation of the anarchy symbol, except with a crossed-out V instead of an A. It could be a symbol of the resistance, or a badge of shame, depending on whether you think totalitarianism is the best thing since sliced bread.

[oggsmash]

  The thing is with all this, is these people have largely made numbers, statistics and "science" no longer relevant.   When the people handing out the information (big pharma, FDA, CDC, WHO, Federal Government in general,  and NIH for example) are HEAVILY compromised with agendas beyond the public health and what is best (money seems to be the massive motivator for lots of the decision making here) it makes a lot of those words just noise.  If you destroy your credibility, you lose any ability to present data forever, no matter how accurate. 

   Fallout from this is going to be permanent.   I really do not care what data comes out to support or condemn the vaccine or in between anymore.  EVERYONE in some way is motivated beyond just telling the truth about it.  This is a case where I am going to have to default to my own experiences and that of people I know personally (regarding vaccines, Covid's dangers, etc) and shut out the other stuff, because it could be 100 percent factual, or complete bullshit.  This is not a good scenario at all for the Federal Government. 

[HappyDaze]

  The thing is with all this, is these people have largely made numbers, statistics and "science" no longer relevant.   When the people handing out the information (big pharma, FDA, CDC, WHO, Federal Government in general,  and NIH for example) are HEAVILY compromised with agendas beyond the public health and what is best (money seems to be the massive motivator for lots of the decision making here) it makes a lot of those words just noise.  If you destroy your credibility, you lose any ability to present data forever, no matter how accurate. 

   Fallout from this is going to be permanent.   I really do not care what data comes out to support or condemn the vaccine or in between anymore.  EVERYONE in some way is motivated beyond just telling the truth about it.  This is a case where I am going to have to default to my own experiences and that of people I know personally (regarding vaccines, Covid's dangers, etc) and shut out the other stuff, because it could be 100 percent factual, or complete bullshit.  This is not a good scenario at all for the Federal Government.

Combine this with your other post about not wanting to be around others with differing worldviews, and you're effectively saying you seem to live in closed off echo chambers. That's rather pathetic.

[oggsmash]

  The thing is with all this, is these people have largely made numbers, statistics and "science" no longer relevant.   When the people handing out the information (big pharma, FDA, CDC, WHO, Federal Government in general,  and NIH for example) are HEAVILY compromised with agendas beyond the public health and what is best (money seems to be the massive motivator for lots of the decision making here) it makes a lot of those words just noise.  If you destroy your credibility, you lose any ability to present data forever, no matter how accurate. 

   Fallout from this is going to be permanent.   I really do not care what data comes out to support or condemn the vaccine or in between anymore.  EVERYONE in some way is motivated beyond just telling the truth about it.  This is a case where I am going to have to default to my own experiences and that of people I know personally (regarding vaccines, Covid's dangers, etc) and shut out the other stuff, because it could be 100 percent factual, or complete bullshit.  This is not a good scenario at all for the Federal Government.

Combine this with your other post about not wanting to be around others with differing worldviews, and you're effectively saying you seem to live in closed off echo chambers. That's rather pathetic.

   In my other post I said radically different world view.  You can look up radical if you like and that will help you understand what I said, because it seems you missed a word there.

[HappyDaze]

  The thing is with all this, is these people have largely made numbers, statistics and "science" no longer relevant.   When the people handing out the information (big pharma, FDA, CDC, WHO, Federal Government in general,  and NIH for example) are HEAVILY compromised with agendas beyond the public health and what is best (money seems to be the massive motivator for lots of the decision making here) it makes a lot of those words just noise.  If you destroy your credibility, you lose any ability to present data forever, no matter how accurate. 

   Fallout from this is going to be permanent.   I really do not care what data comes out to support or condemn the vaccine or in between anymore.  EVERYONE in some way is motivated beyond just telling the truth about it.  This is a case where I am going to have to default to my own experiences and that of people I know personally (regarding vaccines, Covid's dangers, etc) and shut out the other stuff, because it could be 100 percent factual, or complete bullshit.  This is not a good scenario at all for the Federal Government.

Combine this with your other post about not wanting to be around others with differing worldviews, and you're effectively saying you seem to live in closed off echo chambers. That's rather pathetic.

   In my other post I said radically different world view.  You can look up radical if you like and that will help you understand what I said, because it seems you missed a word there.

Consider thst, if you're actually the radical one, then from your perspective, those with non-radical worldviews are the ones you'll be avoiding...and you won't know it because you'll be sealing yourself off from them into your echo chamber.

[oggsmash]

  The thing is with all this, is these people have largely made numbers, statistics and "science" no longer relevant.   When the people handing out the information (big pharma, FDA, CDC, WHO, Federal Government in general,  and NIH for example) are HEAVILY compromised with agendas beyond the public health and what is best (money seems to be the massive motivator for lots of the decision making here) it makes a lot of those words just noise.  If you destroy your credibility, you lose any ability to present data forever, no matter how accurate. 

   Fallout from this is going to be permanent.   I really do not care what data comes out to support or condemn the vaccine or in between anymore.  EVERYONE in some way is motivated beyond just telling the truth about it.  This is a case where I am going to have to default to my own experiences and that of people I know personally (regarding vaccines, Covid's dangers, etc) and shut out the other stuff, because it could be 100 percent factual, or complete bullshit.  This is not a good scenario at all for the Federal Government.

Combine this with your other post about not wanting to be around others with differing worldviews, and you're effectively saying you seem to live in closed off echo chambers. That's rather pathetic.

   In my other post I said radically different world view.  You can look up radical if you like and that will help you understand what I said, because it seems you missed a word there.

Consider thst, if you're actually the radical one, then from your perspective, those with non-radical worldviews are the ones you'll be avoiding...and you won't know it because you'll be sealing yourself off from them into your echo chamber.

  If I am radical, I have a shit load of company.  Lots of them on both sides of the political spectrum.  So am I radical? 

[Ghostmaker]

Consider also that Happyderp profits off the current hysteria.

[3catcircus]

  The thing is with all this, is these people have largely made numbers, statistics and "science" no longer relevant.   When the people handing out the information (big pharma, FDA, CDC, WHO, Federal Government in general,  and NIH for example) are HEAVILY compromised with agendas beyond the public health and what is best (money seems to be the massive motivator for lots of the decision making here) it makes a lot of those words just noise.  If you destroy your credibility, you lose any ability to present data forever, no matter how accurate. 

   Fallout from this is going to be permanent.   I really do not care what data comes out to support or condemn the vaccine or in between anymore.  EVERYONE in some way is motivated beyond just telling the truth about it.  This is a case where I am going to have to default to my own experiences and that of people I know personally (regarding vaccines, Covid's dangers, etc) and shut out the other stuff, because it could be 100 percent factual, or complete bullshit.  This is not a good scenario at all for the Federal Government.

The only way forward is to purge society of anyone with any vested interest in keeping the pandemic profit train going.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

It is actually very refreshing and nice to live in an area of the country where I am surrounded by people that share my world view. This idea that you somehow need to be around people that have different world views is very much overrated. Most of that just raises your blood pressure, and eventually you see the fallout of the influence of people having "different world views". They often seek to change your school system, your gun laws, criminal justice laws, and on and on. No thanks.

I think it is much better to be in an environment where people share my worldview--freedom, law and order, gun rights, loving the Bible, self-reliance, patriotism, and independence.

I have interacted with plenty of people that have "different world views" from me. For the most part, fuck them. I'm not interested in listening to cock-sucking Liberal Marxists. I used to debate their terrible and evil "world views" over 20 years ago. Nothing about their "world view" has changed. If anything, it has gotten worse. Like rotten and spoiled food, they need to be thrown the fuck out and fed to the pigs.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Shrieking Banshee]

Some degree of different opinions are healthy, but if you generally share a incompatible core view of the world, then your just gonna make new enemies, not new friends, or even opinions.

I tried going to conservative group meetings, but it was just a circlejerk. So I went to a gun club instead and it was more about things with events instead of just validating our own beliefs.

[HappyDaze]

Consider also that Happyderp profits off the current hysteria.

Please elaborate on how I profit from the current hysteria.

[jhkim]

I really do not care what data comes out to support or condemn the vaccine or in between anymore.  EVERYONE in some way is motivated beyond just telling the truth about it.  This is a case where I am going to have to default to my own experiences and that of people I know personally (regarding vaccines, Covid's dangers, etc) and shut out the other stuff, because it could be 100 percent factual, or complete bullshit.  This is not a good scenario at all for the Federal Government.

First of all, I am glad that you recognize that everyone is motivated. Far too many people only believe the stuff their own side is feeding, based on the politics. So from my view, you're doing better than many people out there.

I do think that rejecting all sources is going too far. I feel that while everyone always can have ulterior motives, there are institutions that  have a better track record than others. That doesn't mean they're fully trustworthy, but one should weight different sources differently. In an off-topic trend in the RPG forum, you said to me recently:

You might want to tell the very openly leftist Jeff Bezos that.  Or the openly left Google, who fire you for the wrong opinion.  Or Facebook, where the same happens.  Or we can discuss how Google and Facebook use H1B visas to get lots of bug testing from chinese and Indian coders while paying well under market rates.  Also todays leftists are not liberals.  They do not understand liberty.  Liberals are for tomorrow.  I think you are a liberal, but you are soon to be right of center.   Let's stop playing the what happened years ago game.  Let's talk about today.

For me, history and especially the track record of institutions is very important. I think our view of today based on the latest headlines is often completely out of perspective, and information about the past is more reliable.

In track record -- corporations have a terrible track record of telling the truth. I think of Google, Amazon, and Facebook the same way I think of other big corporations like Exxon and JPMorgan. Purely by structure, they are greedy and untrustworthy. That Jeff Bezos spits out left-sounding rhetoric doesn't mean that I trust him. When I look at his company's policies, they are not progressive in the slightest - and most of my liberal friends are in agreement. These companies are trying to win liberal support in order to dodge actual liberal policies - like regulation of their business, paying their fair share of taxes, and allowing unions.

For years as a liberal, I've spoken against corporate dominance - while conservatives have pushed for less corporate regulation and lower corporate taxes. Now as those policies have come home to roost with massive financial inequality and corporate dominance of everything - corporations are trying to avoid actual anti-corporate policy and spouting some token liberal statements.

But there are some things that are better. I don't listen to drug company marketing, but I do listen to my personal doctor (as well as my friends and family who are doctors). I don't have any background or training in medicine, so that's while I am skeptical and ask questions, I do value their input. I know you've recently had tendon surgery, oggsmash - I hope your recovery is going well. I think modern medicine has a good track record - not perfect, but better than many other sources.

[oggsmash]

  Tendon surgery and Covid with no vaxx.   I never doubted modern medicine or my doctors.  I do understand there is a shitload of political and financial pressure on doctors for that vaxx. 


   Covid was not fun, but was no where near bad.   But I always knew it would not be. 

  But thanks for going on again about where you stood on something years ago.  I would have never expected it.

  I noticed you skipped where they are firing people for disagreeing with that left wing stuff they like to speak.  So is it your point that they are really right wing and that is why they fire people for disagreeing with left wing dogma in public?

[Zirunel]

No. I don't remember that. Can you show us any posts from people laughing at your prediction?

No, I'm not doing your research for you. You have access to the forum, off you pop, have a look.

Nah. If you can't back up your assertions I'm not going to do it for you

[Kiero]

Nah. If you can't back up your assertions I'm not going to do it for you

You appear to be under the mistaken impression I could give a flying fuck what you think.