Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Eirikrautha]

Kiero might be a paranoid schizophrenic, given his behavior here. And you and guys like you keep enabling him. He probably badly needs help, but he won't get it because you guys keep normalizing his mental illness. You make him think his lizard-people views are normal. You're not helping him, or anyone else here. You're not fighting the good fight by defending his deranged posts. This is not a good outlet for your instinctive devil's advocate. You may be doing real life damage to a guy who needs help by propping him up because you want to "get one over" on me. Even though you can do that with me on a dozen other topics which are not about Kiero's homeless rantings about a secret cabal trying to take over the world.

It's not a "conspiracy" when all the information is out in the public domain, you stupid fuck.

As for my mental health, just fine, thanks. I haven't engaged in the mass delusion that there's a pandemic, or accepted humiliation after humiliation that would make me doubt what my own senses and reasoning can tell me.

Every single person here, all the people defending you, all agree there is in fact a pandemic. All of them. We all thing you're behaving oddly in denying there is a pandemic.

We might disagree about the extent, the vaccines and masks and other approaches to it, but we all agree there is a real pandemic and that Covid really does kill way more people than you think it does.

We all also agree your claims about 1/3 of people who get Covid get it from a hospital are wrong, that people who die from Covid while on a ventilator are dying from the drug used with the ventilator is wrong, that so many of your claims about covid are wrong.

You have bought into many wild conspiracy theories. People here, all of us, are trying to tell you many of the things you believe in are baseless and wrong. We might disagree about some others, but there is a core common belief among all of us that a lot of your positions are not correct at all.

If you doubt me, if you think people agree with the things I just mentioned, then just ask them directly. Ask them if they believe there is a pandemic, and don't fudge the claim but ask them directly just like you claimed there was not. Ask them about the claims you've made specifically.

Uhhhh, the only delusional person here is you, if you think you can speak for anyone but yourself.  Covid is a pandemic only if the flu is a pandemic.  Covid kills about 4x as many as the flu, but still has a 99.95% survival rate.  It might technically qualify as a pandemic, assuming you use the new definitions of things promulgated by the CDC every time they need to deflect (like when they changed the definition of "vaccine" so that the mRNA jabs would qualify).

Just because you have voices in your head agreeing with you, doesn't mean you have majority support...

[Pat]

Kiero might be a paranoid schizophrenic, given his behavior here. And you and guys like you keep enabling him. He probably badly needs help, but he won't get it because you guys keep normalizing his mental illness. You make him think his lizard-people views are normal. You're not helping him, or anyone else here. You're not fighting the good fight by defending his deranged posts. This is not a good outlet for your instinctive devil's advocate. You may be doing real life damage to a guy who needs help by propping him up because you want to "get one over" on me. Even though you can do that with me on a dozen other topics which are not about Kiero's homeless rantings about a secret cabal trying to take over the world.

It's not a "conspiracy" when all the information is out in the public domain, you stupid fuck.

As for my mental health, just fine, thanks. I haven't engaged in the mass delusion that there's a pandemic, or accepted humiliation after humiliation that would make me doubt what my own senses and reasoning can tell me.

Every single person here, all the people defending you, all agree there is in fact a pandemic. All of them. We all thing you're behaving oddly in denying there is a pandemic.

We might disagree about the extent, the vaccines and masks and other approaches to it, but we all agree there is a real pandemic and that Covid really does kill way more people than you think it does.

We all also agree your claims about 1/3 of people who get Covid get it from a hospital are wrong, that people who die from Covid while on a ventilator are dying from the drug used with the ventilator is wrong, that so many of your claims about covid are wrong.

You have bought into many wild conspiracy theories. People here, all of us, are trying to tell you many of the things you believe in are baseless and wrong. We might disagree about some others, but there is a core common belief among all of us that a lot of your positions are not correct at all.

If you doubt me, if you think people agree with the things I just mentioned, then just ask them directly. Ask them if they believe there is a pandemic, and don't fudge the claim but ask them directly just like you claimed there was not. Ask them about the claims you've made specifically.

Uhhhh, the only delusional person here is you, if you think you can speak for anyone but yourself.  Covid is a pandemic only if the flu is a pandemic.  Covid kills about 4x as many as the flu, but still has a 99.95% survival rate.  It might technically qualify as a pandemic, assuming you use the new definitions of things promulgated by the CDC every time they need to deflect (like when they changed the definition of "vaccine" so that the mRNA jabs would qualify).

Just because you have voices in your head agreeing with you, doesn't mean you have majority support...

It's a pandemic, but it's not another 1918 pandemic. It's comparable to the lesser pandemics of the 20th century, like the 1957 and 1968 flus. This isn't a case of the definition changing. Though the risk has been dramatically overplayed, especially among those who aren't in the high risk categories.

The flu is different, because it's endemic. A pandemic implies something new, not something that's been around forever and will always be with us. Though that is where omicron seems to be heading.

[Kiero]

Every single person here, all the people defending you, all agree there is in fact a pandemic. All of them. We all thing you're behaving oddly in denying there is a pandemic.

We might disagree about the extent, the vaccines and masks and other approaches to it, but we all agree there is a real pandemic and that Covid really does kill way more people than you think it does.

We all also agree your claims about 1/3 of people who get Covid get it from a hospital are wrong, that people who die from Covid while on a ventilator are dying from the drug used with the ventilator is wrong, that so many of your claims about covid are wrong.

You have bought into many wild conspiracy theories. People here, all of us, are trying to tell you many of the things you believe in are baseless and wrong. We might disagree about some others, but there is a core common belief among all of us that a lot of your positions are not correct at all.

If you doubt me, if you think people agree with the things I just mentioned, then just ask them directly. Ask them if they believe there is a pandemic, and don't fudge the claim but ask them directly just like you claimed there was not. Ask them about the claims you've made specifically.

Bless, you've got that lefty affliction where you think "consensus" means shit. I don't give a flying fuck what most imbeciles believe, because this "pandemic" has shown 95% or more of people have nothing functioning between their ears.

My "claim" about a third of people getting covid from hospital is backed up by the NHS' own data, go look you moron. Covid really doesn't kill that many people, but you keep believing the deliberately distorted statistics being used to justify all this bullshit.

I don't "doubt you", I know you're full of utter garbage, because you believe the narrative. Which is patent bollocks.

It's a pandemic, but it's not another 1918 pandemic. It's comparable to the lesser pandemics of the 20th century, like the 1957 and 1968 flus. This isn't a case of the definition changing. Though the risk has been dramatically overplayed, especially among those who aren't in the high risk categories.

The flu is different, because it's endemic. A pandemic implies something new, not something that's been around forever and will always be with us. Though that is where omicron seems to be heading.

Flu is different because it can actually be deadly to healthy people. Coronavirus pretty much only kills old and sick people, and never merited any of this production.

[Pat]

It's a pandemic, but it's not another 1918 pandemic. It's comparable to the lesser pandemics of the 20th century, like the 1957 and 1968 flus. This isn't a case of the definition changing. Though the risk has been dramatically overplayed, especially among those who aren't in the high risk categories.

The flu is different, because it's endemic. A pandemic implies something new, not something that's been around forever and will always be with us. Though that is where omicron seems to be heading.

Flu is different because it can actually be deadly to healthy people. Coronavirus pretty much only kills old and sick people, and never merited any of this production.

It's true that the fatality rate based on age is extremely steep, but it's not true that the young are completely immune to covid-19. Roughly 500 kids have died of the novel coronavirus in the US. Compare that to the flu, which kills up to 200 children per year, usually less. So while covid-19 is several times deadlier than the flu overall, it's roughly equivalent to the flu among the the young, a bit more dangerous among the working age population (but nothing to merit the widespread panic), and very dangerous for the the elderly (60-65+). Co-morbidities have an impact, but they're overplayed. The primary factor is age.

[HappyDaze]

Local EDs are backing up again with floods of patients wanting to be tested despite most of them having minor symptoms or even no symptoms. Hospitalizations are lower by percentage than back in the summer, but are almost up to the same totals considering how many Covid patients we're seeing. The biggest issue right now is diverting enough resources to triage and then discharge the minor cases while still having enough to deal with the (relatively few) severe cases. And there are some severe cases even from Omicron, and not all of them are old nor afflicted with significant comorbidities (had a healthy 29 y/o with significant upper respiratory inflammation restricting airway ventilation even without the pneumonia that was previously one of the biggest issues). Among the sickest that we've had to admit, most continue to be among the unvaccinated.

Keep in mind we are testing a lot of international travelers that are trying to get clearance for post-holiday return flights. Many of them come in to have the whole family tested at once. They couldn't get into the normal testing sites on some of the holidays, so they jammed into the EDs.

[dkabq]

It's a pandemic, but it's not another 1918 pandemic. It's comparable to the lesser pandemics of the 20th century, like the 1957 and 1968 flus. This isn't a case of the definition changing. Though the risk has been dramatically overplayed, especially among those who aren't in the high risk categories.

The flu is different, because it's endemic. A pandemic implies something new, not something that's been around forever and will always be with us. Though that is where omicron seems to be heading.

Flu is different because it can actually be deadly to healthy people. Coronavirus pretty much only kills old and sick people, and never merited any of this production.

It's true that the fatality rate based on age is extremely steep, but it's not true that the young are completely immune to covid-19. Roughly 500 kids have died of the novel coronavirus in the US. Compare that to the flu, which kills up to 200 children per year, usually less. So while covid-19 is several times deadlier than the flu overall, it's roughly equivalent to the flu among the the young, a bit more dangerous among the working age population (but nothing to merit the widespread panic), and very dangerous for the the elderly (60-65+). Co-morbidities have an impact, but they're overplayed. The primary factor is age.

Overall I agree.

Here are more specifics on childhood deaths.

The latest CDC provisional numbers finds that there have been 678 covid deaths in 0-17 year olds since 1/1/2020. Divide that by 1.75 equals 388 deaths/yr.
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Age-in-Years-/3apk-4u4f/data.

Conversely, the CDC estimates that in the 2019-2020 flu season, 434 flu deaths may have occurred (199 deaths were actually reported).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/children.htm

Comparing those numbers to leading causes of childhood death:
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2018/12/21/child-death
motor vehicle crash = 4074
firearm-related injury = 3134
malignant neoplasm = 1853
suffocation = 1430
drowning = 995
drug OD/poisoning = 982
congenital abnormalities = 979
heart disease = 599
fire or burns = 340
chronic respiratory disease = 274

Your child is 10x more likely to die in a car crash than from covid. Moreover, I would bet that the vast majority of childhood covid deaths were children in poor health to begin with.

[Pat]

Your child is 10x more likely to die in a car crash than from covid.

That's one of the key things that is almost entirely missing from the messaging surrounding covid-19: Context. They use absolute numbers, because absolute numbers in the hundreds or thousands sound scary. They post the total death count at the top of pages and running along the bottom of the screen, because it causes fear and drives people to continue to watch. They do profiles on individuals who died, because the plural of anecdotes may not be data, but the plural of emotional sob stories is ratings.

If they did that with heart disease, or cancer, or smoking, or car crashes, or people falling off ladders, we'd be terrified of all of them.

Bad things happen to people every day. And if we really want to make things better, we need to focus on the largest ones we can do something about. That's why we need to deal with this as statistics, because the human emotional reaction to individual suffering is not useful when scaled to 330 million people.

[Kiero]

Local EDs are backing up again with floods of patients wanting to be tested despite most of them having minor symptoms or even no symptoms. 

Yes, we call them hypochondriacs, enabled by the fear-mongering bullshit spewed non-stop by the media.

Hospitalizations are lower by percentage than back in the summer, but are almost up to the same totals considering how many Covid patients we're seeing.

Not happening in the UK, hospitalisations (and deaths, incidentally) are flat:

[Kiero]

Fourth jabs approved in Israel - you didn't think it would stop at three, did you?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2022/0102/1269480-coronavirus-global/

[Daztur]

Fourth jabs approved in Israel - you didn't think it would stop at three, did you?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2022/0102/1269480-coronavirus-global/

Of all of the anti-vax talking points this one confuses me to the most. Why would anyone who is fine with vaccines suddenly freak out about a few booster shots?

[dkabq]

Fourth jabs approved in Israel - you didn't think it would stop at three, did you?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2022/0102/1269480-coronavirus-global/

Of all of the anti-vax talking points this one confuses me to the most. Why would anyone who is fine with vaccines suddenly freak out about a few booster shots?

Perhaps if it actually conferred immunity people would be less concerned. Of if it even stopped spread (which even St. Fauci says it doesn't). Also, show me any other vaccine that requires a booster every six months.

If you are comfortable taking a dose every six months because it reduces symptoms and hence chance of hospitalization or death, go for it. But if someone else isn't, that should be as much of your (or the government's) concern as someone being obese, out-of-shape, unhealthy eater, etc. Or are you in favor of a government mandate that forces you to eat healthy, not be overweight or obese, and be fit?

There is a malicious part of me that would *love* to see such a mandate. Every dollar of health care spent on people that live unhealthy lifestyles causes my health insurance premiums to go up. And I know from my wife's experience (works at a rehab hospital) a large number of the medicade patients are obese, uncontrolled diabetics, alcoholics, and/or drug addicts -- fuckers are stealing my tax dollars.

So while my 10+ pounds of covid weight and lack of exercise would get me caught up in the mandate, my suffering would be worth it to see the mandate inflicted on the pro vax mandate people.

[Shasarak]

Fourth jabs approved in Israel - you didn't think it would stop at three, did you?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2022/0102/1269480-coronavirus-global/

Of all of the anti-vax talking points this one confuses me to the most. Why would anyone who is fine with vaccines suddenly freak out about a few booster shots?

Dont people realise that other vaccines like Tetanus require boosters every ten years or so.  Logically if you think the Tetanus vaccine and booster works then you should have no problem with other completely unrelated vaccines needing a booster every 3 months or so.

QED

[Kiero]

Of all of the anti-vax talking points this one confuses me to the most. Why would anyone who is fine with vaccines suddenly freak out about a few booster shots?

You really have a short memory. The promise was two jabs and that was it. All of a sudden it's now four jabs a year.

And the fucking thing doesn't even work, people who've been triple jabbed are still getting covid, repeatedly. What was it for, exactly?

[dkabq]

Fourth jabs approved in Israel - you didn't think it would stop at three, did you?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2022/0102/1269480-coronavirus-global/

Of all of the anti-vax talking points this one confuses me to the most. Why would anyone who is fine with vaccines suddenly freak out about a few booster shots?

Dont people realise that other vaccines like Tetanus require boosters every ten years or so.  Logically if you think the Tetanus vaccine and booster works then you should have no problem with other completely unrelated vaccines needing a booster every 3 months or so.

QED

There is a significant difference (factor of 20) between getting a booster shot every 10 years and one every 6 months. Moreover, the tetanus vaccine immunizes you against tetanus, while the covid vaccines do not.

That said, I 100% support you if you want to get a covid booster every six months (or four months or three months) ad nauseam. In the same way I support you choosing to exercise/not exercise or have that second piece of cake.

[oggsmash]

Fourth jabs approved in Israel - you didn't think it would stop at three, did you?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2022/0102/1269480-coronavirus-global/

Of all of the anti-vax talking points this one confuses me to the most. Why would anyone who is fine with vaccines suddenly freak out about a few booster shots?

   Not sure if serious.  Do you know many actual live people?  Because a whole bunch of them who felt OK with trusting massive multinational entities who made ENORMOUS profits from more or less mandating a shot are starting to scratch their heads a little when that same swollen conglomerate is now saying there will be more, and more, and more shots in perpetuity.  What really confuses me, is trying to say people who are concerned about taking a shot of magic juice from conglomerates who have looong histories of being sued and doing damage with drugs in the past, from bad reactions to causing cancer, are suddenly "anti vax" for not being too eager to line up and be a lab rat for billionaires.