Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Mistwell]

Exactly which source have I cited which lacked credibility?

How about every single time you've used a "fact check" as "evidence" to support your point?

Exactly which source have I cited which lacked credibility?

You seriously cannot even be bothered to support any allegation you make. You must be one fat lazy fuck despite your protestations to the contrary.

[Mistwell]

But the same source that you cited for mRNA being dangerous also claims that other vaccines are dangerous as well. If you believe childrenshealthdefense.org about mRNA vaccines, why did you disregard their warnings about other standard UK vaccines like MMR? This is from years before the covid pandemic, for example:

JCVI Historic Recklessness for Child Health Safety

The JCVI has a legal obligation under English and EU law to apply the precautionary principle in its deliberations. An account of how the JCVI has historically brought about widespread national harm to British children from a reckless approach to child health safety can be seen here: British Government's Reckless Disregard for Child Health Safety

The latest information shows nothing has changed.

There is a considerable and growing body of research either showing how vaccinations are causally involved in or implicated as the only realistic causal explanation for the pandemic increases in autism, asthma, allergies, diabetes and many other new emerging conditions in modern western economies.

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/03/08/pharma-decide-uk-vaccination/
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/secret-british-mmr-vaccine-files-forced-open-by-legal-action/

What a bizarre question. I don't regularly read that site and more to the point I don't treat any site as gospel. Each article, and even elements of any article are evaluated on their merits, not simply treated as something I should accept wholecloth because of where it came from.

IE if an article from a source with zero credibility agrees with your view you will quote it here and otherwise you will ignore that source. Gotcha. The credibility of a source is meaningless to you, as long as it agrees with your preconceived notions about reality.

Pot, meet kettle.  The staggering lack of self-awareness it took for you to post that...

Exactly which source have I cited which lacked credibility? This should be good. You continue to defend a creep who cited from an antisemitic whack job conspiracy theory website multiple times, who just posted an international court filing alleging worldwide conspiracy theory, and instead of ever taking him to task for anything you blurt out these vague accusations at me with no backing at all. Why do you feel like you need to defend Keiro after all the stupid shit he continues to pull with this stupid whataboutism?

Easy.  Post one example...

No, wait wait wait. If you are going to accuse someone of posting sources which lack credibility, and they ask you when they did that, no rational response starts with you asking them to post something else. You make the accusation, then you support the accusation. Just like I supported my accusation that the link he gave was a nutcase conspiracy theory one, with many direct quotes.

You cannot though. Because you too are either a lazy fuck or a liar. You post a baseless accusation and think you're immune from backing it up. Fuck that. Let's see where I posted a source which lacked credibility. You directly compared what I post to what he posted - which was rife with insane level conspiracy theories which any psychiatrist would recommend serious meds to treat. NOTHING I've posted comes anything close to that, and your dismissal comparison was bullshit and you know it.

[Kiero]

Exactly which source have I cited which lacked credibility?

You seriously cannot even be bothered to support any allegation you make. You must be one fat lazy fuck despite your protestations to the contrary.

You've got it the wrong way around chief. You are not worth the effort.

[Eirikrautha]

But the same source that you cited for mRNA being dangerous also claims that other vaccines are dangerous as well. If you believe childrenshealthdefense.org about mRNA vaccines, why did you disregard their warnings about other standard UK vaccines like MMR? This is from years before the covid pandemic, for example:

JCVI Historic Recklessness for Child Health Safety

The JCVI has a legal obligation under English and EU law to apply the precautionary principle in its deliberations. An account of how the JCVI has historically brought about widespread national harm to British children from a reckless approach to child health safety can be seen here: British Government's Reckless Disregard for Child Health Safety

The latest information shows nothing has changed.

There is a considerable and growing body of research either showing how vaccinations are causally involved in or implicated as the only realistic causal explanation for the pandemic increases in autism, asthma, allergies, diabetes and many other new emerging conditions in modern western economies.

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/03/08/pharma-decide-uk-vaccination/
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/secret-british-mmr-vaccine-files-forced-open-by-legal-action/

What a bizarre question. I don't regularly read that site and more to the point I don't treat any site as gospel. Each article, and even elements of any article are evaluated on their merits, not simply treated as something I should accept wholecloth because of where it came from.

IE if an article from a source with zero credibility agrees with your view you will quote it here and otherwise you will ignore that source. Gotcha. The credibility of a source is meaningless to you, as long as it agrees with your preconceived notions about reality.

Pot, meet kettle.  The staggering lack of self-awareness it took for you to post that...

Exactly which source have I cited which lacked credibility? This should be good. You continue to defend a creep who cited from an antisemitic whack job conspiracy theory website multiple times, who just posted an international court filing alleging worldwide conspiracy theory, and instead of ever taking him to task for anything you blurt out these vague accusations at me with no backing at all. Why do you feel like you need to defend Keiro after all the stupid shit he continues to pull with this stupid whataboutism?

Easy.  Post one example...

No, wait wait wait. If you are going to accuse someone of posting sources which lack credibility, and they ask you when they did that, no rational response starts with you asking them to post something else. You make the accusation, then you support the accusation. Just like I supported my accusation that the link he gave was a nutcase conspiracy theory one, with many direct quotes.

You cannot though. Because you too are either a lazy fuck or a liar. You post a baseless accusation and think you're immune from backing it up. Fuck that. Let's see where I posted a source which lacked credibility. You directly compared what I post to what he posted - which was rife with insane level conspiracy theories which any psychiatrist would recommend serious meds to treat. NOTHING I've posted comes anything close to that, and your dismissal comparison was bullshit and you know it.

No, as most folks on here have already pointed out, you are the liar (who has been caught in it before, like when you asserted I said something that another poster said and refused to back off of it until pages later).  Your statement accused him of only posting info that supported his narrative, regardless of the credibility of the source.  You only post stuff from sources you agree with (and you've posted many news articles... as if the media is credible or trustworthy).  It's that simple.

[Kiero]

Oh dear, this is rather inconvenient. Robert Koch Institute report released today states that 95.58% of the Omicron cases in Germany are fully vaccinated (28% of those had a "booster"), 4.42% are unvaccinated.

If you read German, here's the original source: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Wochenbericht/Wochenbericht_2021-12-30.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

Sounds suspiciously like antibody dependent enhancement by the jabs. Omicron is an infection of the "vaccinated". Does that show it's working?

[Mistwell]

But the same source that you cited for mRNA being dangerous also claims that other vaccines are dangerous as well. If you believe childrenshealthdefense.org about mRNA vaccines, why did you disregard their warnings about other standard UK vaccines like MMR? This is from years before the covid pandemic, for example:

JCVI Historic Recklessness for Child Health Safety

The JCVI has a legal obligation under English and EU law to apply the precautionary principle in its deliberations. An account of how the JCVI has historically brought about widespread national harm to British children from a reckless approach to child health safety can be seen here: British Government's Reckless Disregard for Child Health Safety

The latest information shows nothing has changed.

There is a considerable and growing body of research either showing how vaccinations are causally involved in or implicated as the only realistic causal explanation for the pandemic increases in autism, asthma, allergies, diabetes and many other new emerging conditions in modern western economies.

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/03/08/pharma-decide-uk-vaccination/
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/secret-british-mmr-vaccine-files-forced-open-by-legal-action/

What a bizarre question. I don't regularly read that site and more to the point I don't treat any site as gospel. Each article, and even elements of any article are evaluated on their merits, not simply treated as something I should accept wholecloth because of where it came from.

IE if an article from a source with zero credibility agrees with your view you will quote it here and otherwise you will ignore that source. Gotcha. The credibility of a source is meaningless to you, as long as it agrees with your preconceived notions about reality.

Pot, meet kettle.  The staggering lack of self-awareness it took for you to post that...

Exactly which source have I cited which lacked credibility? This should be good. You continue to defend a creep who cited from an antisemitic whack job conspiracy theory website multiple times, who just posted an international court filing alleging worldwide conspiracy theory, and instead of ever taking him to task for anything you blurt out these vague accusations at me with no backing at all. Why do you feel like you need to defend Keiro after all the stupid shit he continues to pull with this stupid whataboutism?

Easy.  Post one example...

No, wait wait wait. If you are going to accuse someone of posting sources which lack credibility, and they ask you when they did that, no rational response starts with you asking them to post something else. You make the accusation, then you support the accusation. Just like I supported my accusation that the link he gave was a nutcase conspiracy theory one, with many direct quotes.

You cannot though. Because you too are either a lazy fuck or a liar. You post a baseless accusation and think you're immune from backing it up. Fuck that. Let's see where I posted a source which lacked credibility. You directly compared what I post to what he posted - which was rife with insane level conspiracy theories which any psychiatrist would recommend serious meds to treat. NOTHING I've posted comes anything close to that, and your dismissal comparison was bullshit and you know it.

No, as most folks on here have already pointed out, you are the liar (who has been caught in it before, like when you asserted I said something that another poster said and refused to back off of it until pages later).  Your statement accused him of only posting info that supported his narrative, regardless of the credibility of the source.  You only post stuff from sources you agree with (and you've posted many news articles... as if the media is credible or trustworthy).  It's that simple.

Ah I get it now. You're still pissed I mistook you for someone else, and apologized for it. Gotcha. I "lied" by mistaking you for someone else, and it's proof I "lied" that I apologized as soon as I figured out my mistake...which is what a liar would do, right, apologize on a board like this?

As for the sources I've cited which you think lack credibility on anything close to the same level as Kiero's, it's quite simple. SHOW. ME. Don't repeat the accusation (anyone can accuse anyone of anything - it's lazy and meaningless). SHOW ME where I did anything like what Kiero did. Let's see it.

You can't. Because I didn't.

[Mistwell]

Oh dear, this is rather inconvenient. Robert Koch Institute report released today states that 95.58% of the Omicron cases in Germany are fully vaccinated (28% of those had a "booster"), 4.42% are unvaccinated.

If you read German, here's the original source: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Wochenbericht/Wochenbericht_2021-12-30.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

Sounds suspiciously like antibody dependent enhancement by the jabs. Omicron is an infection of the "vaccinated". Does that show it's working?

LOL you mean the report which starts by explaining how they are missing massive amounts of data "because of the holidays"?

[Pat]

As for the sources I've cited which you think lack credibility on anything close to the same level as Kiero's, it's quite simple. SHOW. ME. Don't repeat the accusation (anyone can accuse anyone of anything - it's lazy and meaningless). SHOW ME where I did anything like what Kiero did. Let's see it.

How about earlier in this thread, when you accused me of propaganda and tried to prove it by linking to propaganda from Chinese state-run media? That was funny. And in many ways worse, because a totalitarian regime engaged in genocide is a lot more dangerous than some random nutjob with a webpage.

Everyone makes mistakes on forums, including linking to sites without thoroughly vetting them. But while it's important to correct those mistakes, everyone realized many pages back that the website Kiero linked is garbage. Harping on it endlessly makes it look like you're pursuing an irrational vendetta, instead of making a cogent critique. There's grace and wisdom in knowing when to drop a subject.

[Kiero]

LOL you mean the report which starts by explaining how they are missing massive amounts of data "because of the holidays"?

Yes, otherwise known as arse covering - which won't change very much even when they've adjusted for the holidays. Germany is 71% jabbed and they've tried to keep the unjabbed under house arrest. And yet this variant has spread unchecked, great "protection" being offered by the jabs there!

[Mistwell]

As for the sources I've cited which you think lack credibility on anything close to the same level as Kiero's, it's quite simple. SHOW. ME. Don't repeat the accusation (anyone can accuse anyone of anything - it's lazy and meaningless). SHOW ME where I did anything like what Kiero did. Let's see it.

How about earlier in this thread, when you accused me of propaganda and tried to prove it by linking to propaganda from Chinese state-run media? That was funny. And in many ways worse, because a totalitarian regime engaged in genocide is a lot more dangerous than some random nutjob with a webpage.

Everyone makes mistakes on forums, including linking to sites without thoroughly vetting them. But while it's important to correct those mistakes, everyone realized many pages back that the website Kiero linked is garbage. Harping on it endlessly makes it look like you're pursuing an irrational vendetta, instead of making a cogent critique. There's grace and wisdom in knowing when to drop a subject.

You claimed a device worked and looked a certain way. That site showed a picture of the device in use, showing it worked different than you claimed. Your claim was about Chinese state-run programs, and the link was a picture from the very thing you were referencing showing what it looked like. NOTHING about the picture involved propaganda one way or the other - we both agreed the device existed and disagreed about how it physically worked and the article I posted, propaganda or not, showed the actual device accurately. Nothing about it being propaganda calls into question the accuracy of the actual picture.

Compare that to quoting a source, like Kiero did, which was literally fabricating allegations based purely on the authors speculation, from a site which engages routinely in antisemitic crazy conspiracy theories. As the article Kiero was linking to was right in line with the other things that site routinely lies about, it's fair to say it deeply lacks credibility and should be called out.

On the other hand, while any "go China!" stuff in my source should be called into question, a picture of a device we all agree exists shouldn't. That isn't right in line with any actual propaganda on that site. In fact it had nothing to do with a "go China!" type theme.

So no, I didn't post anything close to the type of think Kiero did. I didn't even raise that topic - you did. And I never disagreed that it was a Chinese site - of course it was, as it's the only thing showing the device WHICH YOU RAISED AS A TOPIC.

If one could not link to the Chinese site to refute your claim about how the device worked, that would essentially be you saying "I can make any claim I want about how this device works, and nobody is permitted to refute it because any attempt to refute it would include linking to a Chinese site by-definition because only Chinese sites would ever show the device."

Which, for you, is pretty par for the course. You post a seemingly reasonable position and it takes someone really digging in to your position to see no, you're just being your usual asshole self and lying about something and then gatekeeping any dissent from your position with a bunch of bullshit.

As for me harping on Kiero about it: LITERALLY MOST OF HIS LINKS ARE FROM SITES LIKE THAT. For example he recently linked to the filing before the Hague criminal court - I quoted from another part of that document and IT'S ANOTHER INSANE CONSPIRACY THEORY NONSENSE. But you whitewash it. A bunch of you guys whitewash it. It's like whack-a-mole. Kiero posts from a crazed conspiracy theory source, I point it out, and you guys defend it as if it's alone in a vacuum and not the next in a series of insane conspiracy sources he's posted for months on end.

Kiero might be a paranoid schizophrenic, given his behavior here. And you and guys like you keep enabling him. He probably badly needs help, but he won't get it because you guys keep normalizing his mental illness. You make him think his lizard-people views are normal. You're not helping him, or anyone else here. You're not fighting the good fight by defending his deranged posts. This is not a good outlet for your instinctive devil's advocate. You may be doing real life damage to a guy who needs help by propping him up because you want to "get one over" on me. Even though you can do that with me on a dozen other topics which are not about Kiero's homeless rantings about a secret cabal trying to take over the world.

[3catcircus]

It is absolutely hysterical to see the libtard clown brigade desperately defending the completely failed TrumpVax which was produced by pharmaceutical companies with decades long criminal histories of medical malfeasance!

Even more hysterical is watching these same imbeciles now championing the mandatory injection of children when (a) the China Virus poses no meaningful threat to children and (b) the TrumpVax never underwent the proper human testing trials that our nation required for every other "vaccine".

But get your booster!

And in a few months, get your next booster!

I think you need to separate the fact that Trump got pharma and the FDA to get off their asses and develop vaccines and bring them to human trials in record time from the fact that the vaccines themselves are really nothing more than a fancy Theraflu that needs more testing...

We also have to separate Trump from the USG permanent bureaucracy. 

Will these therapeutics reduce seriousness for those with comorbidities?  Absolutely. Does it make sense for high school athletes to take them? Absolutely not.  The fight isn't over whether they should be available for those that it's makes sense to take. It's over the bureaucracy that we have undeniable proof has engaged in purposefully withholding potentially helpful early treatments and that we have undeniable proof of doubling down on ineffective NPIs, to the point of suppressing contrary evidence.

Here is what mostly likely has led to us being where we are today:

1. Fauci provides grant money to various research organizations who launder the funds so that there is no traceability to GoF research performed in China.
2. China sends PhD students to Western universities to perform research, which really means stealing IP from the West. Professors collude either through bribery or extortion, or they are already party loyalists who remained in the West after getting their PhD - learning from the likes of Ralph Baric in his to create chimeric viruses with furin cleavage sites that are able to pass as naturally occurring rather than manipulated in the lab.
3. China provides various "incentives" to keep the gravy train going.  They didn't pay for their own research labs and resources - western taxpayers did.  It's always good to get your enemies to fund their own demise, after all...
4. Using resources provided by Fauci and others that would otherwise not be allowed due to export restrictions, China conducts off-book weaponization research to benefit themselves.
5. When there is a lab leak due to lax lab protocols, Fauci and others already know the source of the leak but need to cover it up - and it happened well before fall of 2019.
6. They double-down their cover-up even as the virus continues to propagate beyond local outbreaks.
7. Despite their cover-up, these cretins are considered experts in their field, so governments rely upon their advice - even as that advice is compromised by the need to cover up that they themselves are the source of the pandemic.

The way we get out of this mess (the pandemic itself is already over, based upon how Omicron will infect everyone and it will be only cold symptoms) is to ensure we put into office lawmakers who are willing to steamroll the existing governmental bureaucracy. Forget filing FOIA requests - go pull all of the emails from the accounts of Fauci, Collins, both the current and former Surgeons General, and the FDA for those involved in approval of the vaccines. Do likewise for every WH staffer and cabinet secretary and those of selected congressional staffers. Do the same for various governors and state Sec if Health. Subpoena everyone and back it up with US Marshals to arrest those who don't show up. Interview USSS. Pull files from DoJ, FBI, and CIA associated with the pandemic response. Declassify *all* of it.  Essentially, it *all* needs to be burned to the ground and the ashes pissed on and then go back to first principles of the constitution.

In other countries, YMMV but the same needs to be done in UK, NZ, AUS, Canada, Germany, and the UN. 

When all roads point back to the guilty parties, you publicly execute them in the most gruesome fashion possible. When the roads ultimately point back to Beijing, there can only be one response. You expel and deport every single chinaman from every research university, every industry, throw out every diplomat. You close your markets to them and shut off their ability to obtain raw materials (we're going to be just fine without more FOXCONN  slave phones or Walmartian cheap crap). You force an oil embargo. You aggressively patrol the South China Sea and the airspace and equip Taiwan as best you can while aggressively routing out CHICOM spies there. You go to every artificial island in international waters that China has claimed and you use it for artillery and bombing target practice after giving them the necessary time to evacuate (because we're not savages). 

[3catcircus]

As for the sources I've cited which you think lack credibility on anything close to the same level as Kiero's, it's quite simple. SHOW. ME. Don't repeat the accusation (anyone can accuse anyone of anything - it's lazy and meaningless). SHOW ME where I did anything like what Kiero did. Let's see it.

How about earlier in this thread, when you accused me of propaganda and tried to prove it by linking to propaganda from Chinese state-run media? That was funny. And in many ways worse, because a totalitarian regime engaged in genocide is a lot more dangerous than some random nutjob with a webpage.

Everyone makes mistakes on forums, including linking to sites without thoroughly vetting them. But while it's important to correct those mistakes, everyone realized many pages back that the website Kiero linked is garbage. Harping on it endlessly makes it look like you're pursuing an irrational vendetta, instead of making a cogent critique. There's grace and wisdom in knowing when to drop a subject.

You claimed a device worked and looked a certain way. That site showed a picture of the device in use, showing it worked different than you claimed. Your claim was about Chinese state-run programs, and the link was a picture from the very thing you were referencing showing what it looked like. NOTHING about the picture involved propaganda one way or the other - we both agreed the device existed and disagreed about how it physically worked and the article I posted, propaganda or not, showed the actual device accurately. Nothing about it being propaganda calls into question the accuracy of the actual picture.

Compare that to quoting a source, like Kiero did, which was literally fabricating allegations based purely on the authors speculation, from a site which engages routinely in antisemitic crazy conspiracy theories. As the article Kiero was linking to was right in line with the other things that site routinely lies about, it's fair to say it deeply lacks credibility and should be called out.

On the other hand, while any "go China!" stuff in my source should be called into question, a picture of a device we all agree exists shouldn't. That isn't right in line with any actual propaganda on that site. In fact it had nothing to do with a "go China!" type theme.

So no, I didn't post anything close to the type of think Kiero did. I didn't even raise that topic - you did. And I never disagreed that it was a Chinese site - of course it was, as it's the only thing showing the device WHICH YOU RAISED AS A TOPIC.

If one could not link to the Chinese site to refute your claim about how the device worked, that would essentially be you saying "I can make any claim I want about how this device works, and nobody is permitted to refute it because any attempt to refute it would include linking to a Chinese site by-definition because only Chinese sites would ever show the device."

Which, for you, is pretty par for the course. You post a seemingly reasonable position and it takes someone really digging in to your position to see no, you're just being your usual asshole self and lying about something and then gatekeeping any dissent from your position with a bunch of bullshit.

As for me harping on Kiero about it: LITERALLY MOST OF HIS LINKS ARE FROM SITES LIKE THAT. For example he recently linked to the filing before the Hague criminal court - I quoted from another part of that document and IT'S ANOTHER INSANE CONSPIRACY THEORY NONSENSE. But you whitewash it. A bunch of you guys whitewash it. It's like whack-a-mole. Kiero posts from a crazed conspiracy theory source, I point it out, and you guys defend it as if it's alone in a vacuum and not the next in a series of insane conspiracy sources he's posted for months on end.

Kiero might be a paranoid schizophrenic, given his behavior here. And you and guys like you keep enabling him. He probably badly needs help, but he won't get it because you guys keep normalizing his mental illness. You make him think his lizard-people views are normal. You're not helping him, or anyone else here. You're not fighting the good fight by defending his deranged posts. This is not a good outlet for your instinctive devil's advocate. You may be doing real life damage to a guy who needs help by propping him up because you want to "get one over" on me. Even though you can do that with me on a dozen other topics which are not about Kiero's homeless rantings about a secret cabal trying to take over the world.

I'll just refute your assertions regarding the veracity of information sources by noting that almost everything that various "conspiracy theorists" stated early last year would be coming and that were derided as tinfoil hat material have now become undeniable fact.

[Pat]

As for the sources I've cited which you think lack credibility on anything close to the same level as Kiero's, it's quite simple. SHOW. ME. Don't repeat the accusation (anyone can accuse anyone of anything - it's lazy and meaningless). SHOW ME where I did anything like what Kiero did. Let's see it.

How about earlier in this thread, when you accused me of propaganda and tried to prove it by linking to propaganda from Chinese state-run media? That was funny. And in many ways worse, because a totalitarian regime engaged in genocide is a lot more dangerous than some random nutjob with a webpage.

Everyone makes mistakes on forums, including linking to sites without thoroughly vetting them. But while it's important to correct those mistakes, everyone realized many pages back that the website Kiero linked is garbage. Harping on it endlessly makes it look like you're pursuing an irrational vendetta, instead of making a cogent critique. There's grace and wisdom in knowing when to drop a subject.

You claimed a device worked and looked a certain way. That site showed a picture of the device in use, showing it worked different than you claimed.

No, my description was accurate. You're the one who made up shit. But that's aside from the point. You accused me of propaganda, by literally linking to Chinese state-run propaganda.

Your lack of self-awareness is staggering.

Which, for you, is pretty par for the course. You post a seemingly reasonable position and it takes someone really digging in to your position to see no, you're just being your usual asshole self and lying about something and then gatekeeping any dissent from your position with a bunch of bullshit.

Remember when you flipped from being semi-reasonable to completely insane, and started stalking me and attacking me in random threads with vile and completely unfounded accusations? It was when I pointed out that you were making false claims, and that when you were challenged, you'd stop posting on that subject for a while, only to pop up later making the same unfounded claims. Pinning down your evasive dishonestly apparently drove you berserk, because you've been making frothing at the mouth crazy posts like this every since. This is trademark you, making all kinds of nasty claims about me, but keeping them vague and general because they're lies and you can't provide any specific details or concrete examples.

I give up. You deserve all the shit you get.

As for me harping on Kiero about it: LITERALLY MOST OF HIS LINKS ARE FROM SITES LIKE THAT.

Then address those. I literally said errors should be corrected. But it's really hard to do that, when you keep harping on the same resolved issued (everyone agrees, and even Kiero conceded).

[Kiero]

Kiero might be a paranoid schizophrenic, given his behavior here. And you and guys like you keep enabling him. He probably badly needs help, but he won't get it because you guys keep normalizing his mental illness. You make him think his lizard-people views are normal. You're not helping him, or anyone else here. You're not fighting the good fight by defending his deranged posts. This is not a good outlet for your instinctive devil's advocate. You may be doing real life damage to a guy who needs help by propping him up because you want to "get one over" on me. Even though you can do that with me on a dozen other topics which are not about Kiero's homeless rantings about a secret cabal trying to take over the world.

It's not a "conspiracy" when all the information is out in the public domain, you stupid fuck.

As for my mental health, just fine, thanks. I haven't engaged in the mass delusion that there's a pandemic, or accepted humiliation after humiliation that would make me doubt what my own senses and reasoning can tell me.

[Mistwell]

Kiero might be a paranoid schizophrenic, given his behavior here. And you and guys like you keep enabling him. He probably badly needs help, but he won't get it because you guys keep normalizing his mental illness. You make him think his lizard-people views are normal. You're not helping him, or anyone else here. You're not fighting the good fight by defending his deranged posts. This is not a good outlet for your instinctive devil's advocate. You may be doing real life damage to a guy who needs help by propping him up because you want to "get one over" on me. Even though you can do that with me on a dozen other topics which are not about Kiero's homeless rantings about a secret cabal trying to take over the world.

It's not a "conspiracy" when all the information is out in the public domain, you stupid fuck.

As for my mental health, just fine, thanks. I haven't engaged in the mass delusion that there's a pandemic, or accepted humiliation after humiliation that would make me doubt what my own senses and reasoning can tell me.

Every single person here, all the people defending you, all agree there is in fact a pandemic. All of them. We all thing you're behaving oddly in denying there is a pandemic.

We might disagree about the extent, the vaccines and masks and other approaches to it, but we all agree there is a real pandemic and that Covid really does kill way more people than you think it does.

We all also agree your claims about 1/3 of people who get Covid get it from a hospital are wrong, that people who die from Covid while on a ventilator are dying from the drug used with the ventilator is wrong, that so many of your claims about covid are wrong.

You have bought into many wild conspiracy theories. People here, all of us, are trying to tell you many of the things you believe in are baseless and wrong. We might disagree about some others, but there is a core common belief among all of us that a lot of your positions are not correct at all.

If you doubt me, if you think people agree with the things I just mentioned, then just ask them directly. Ask them if they believe there is a pandemic, and don't fudge the claim but ask them directly just like you claimed there was not. Ask them about the claims you've made specifically.