Enjoy.

[Zak S]

I still don't see ANY accusations (false or otherwise) made by Morse.

Here is the accusation:

Morse falsely claimed trans people are not under threat (provably false) and the trans rights movement is rooted in narcissism (false).

1. All people are under threat, since harmful things can happen to anyone, so the first claim is categorically false.

Holy shit, that's the most pedantic thing I've ever seen you say. By that logic literally everyone is "under threat", and it gives no evidence that transgender people as a group or transgender individuals are under any more threat of any kind than anyone else in the world.

While I do believe trans people are disproportionately under threat based on what I know, I don't have to prove that in order for my claim against Morse to be true.

My job was to demonstrate that Brandon Mose spread misinformation.

I did.

Bwahahahahhaahahhahahaha!

No, you didn't you fucking MORON!

If you don't think that's misinformation then you must, by definition, agree with Morse claim that the trans movement is rooted in narcissism.

Present proof.

[GeekyBugle]

I still don't see ANY accusations (false or otherwise) made by Morse.

Here is the accusation:

Morse falsely claimed trans people are not under threat (provably false) and the trans rights movement is rooted in narcissism (false).

1. All people are under threat, since harmful things can happen to anyone, so the first claim is categorically false.

Holy shit, that's the most pedantic thing I've ever seen you say. By that logic literally everyone is "under threat", and it gives no evidence that transgender people as a group or transgender individuals are under any more threat of any kind than anyone else in the world.

While I do believe trans people are disproportionately under threat based on what I know, I don't have to prove that in order for my claim against Morse to be true.

My job was to demonstrate that Brandon Mose spread misinformation.

I did.

Bwahahahahhaahahhahahaha!

No, you didn't you fucking MORON!

If you don't think that's misinformation then you must, by definition, agree with Morse claim that the trans movement is rooted in narcissism.

Present proof.

Or, me (not being a leftard POS like you), think that's HIS opinion, opinions aren't "misinformation" you fucking MORON!

Accusation:
noun
a charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong.

I'll repeat it slowly since you obviously need it:

All accusations ARE claims, but not all claims are accusations.

For instance: I believe that Zak S IS a POS. It's a claim, a claim of MY belief (opinion) that YOU ARE a POS.

[Zak S]

Accusation:
noun
a charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong.

Making an activist movement out of narcissism while claiming its based in something else would be doing something wrong.

So:

Morse claiming that trans activism is based in narcissism isn't mere opinion, it is an accusation against said activists.

[GeekyBugle]

Accusation:
noun
a charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong.

Making an activist movement out of narcissism while claiming its based in something else would be doing something wrong.

So:

Morse claiming that trans activism is based in narcissism isn't mere opinion, it is an accusation against said activists.

WRONG! You yourself don't believe it, or else you'd be taking him to court. But since you KNOW you can't prove he's done anything illegal you (like a fascist) resort to destroying his career and to prevent others from helping him or any other of your victims you then proceed to victimize (or attempt to at the very least) the person that dared give him a job. That's why I believe that you're a POS.

Now, regarding the everybody is under threat ergo trans-people are under threat also...

Under threat: at gunpoint, at knife point, under duress, threatened with harm.

Now here's the thing, you now HAVE TO (your own rules) prove that everybody is under threat or that trans-people are at the very least. Because you damn well know that the words mean unlawful threat of death or bodily harm by a third party.

YOU made the claim you fucking MORON, now prove it.

Since you cant and you'll try more semantic games back to ignoring you because IMO you're a turd, a POS.

[jhkim]

Now, regarding the everybody is under threat ergo trans-people are under threat also...

Under threat: at gunpoint, at knife point, under duress, threatened with harm.

Now here's the thing, you now HAVE TO (your own rules) prove that everybody is under threat or that trans-people are at the very least. Because you damn well know that the words mean unlawful threat of death or bodily harm by a third party.

I'm not endorsing anything that Zak says, and find his style of argument wacko. However, if the question is threat to transgender people, there are studies like this:

Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault, according to a new study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law. In addition, households with a transgender person had higher rates of property victimization than cisgender households.

• Transgender people (16+) are victimized over four times more often than cisgender people. In 2017-2018, transgender people experienced 86.2 victimizations per 1,000 people compared to 21.7 victimizations per 1,000 people for cisgender people.
• Transgender women and men had higher rates of violent victimization (86.1 and 107.5 per 1,000 people, respectively) than cisgender women and men (23.7 and 19.8 per 1,000 people, respectively).
• One in four transgender women who were victimized thought the incident was a hate crime compared to less than one in ten cisgender women.
• In 2017-2018, transgender households had higher rates of property victimization (214.1 per 1,000 households) than cisgender households (108 per 1,000 households).
• About half of all violent victimizations were not reported to police. Transgender people were as likely as cisgender people to report violence to police.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

[Brad]

So basically this whole thing boils down to trannies?

Yeah, they're under sooooo much threat they go and shoot up schools and kill a bunch of kids. The only people threatening trannies are the doctors giving in to their mentally ill delusions and providing operations that literally result in their deaths:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27664856/

Zak S, care to dispute this study? Who killed this poor kid? Was it the evil hordes of faceless individuals you claim are waiting on the corners, eager to destroy tranny lives? Or was it the fucking doctors who decided to perform an unnecessary operation? Fucking retard. "I have proven false accusations." No, motherfucker, you have proven nothing other than someone's OPINION that you don't like means you decide to engage in "cancel culture". What an absolute faggot.

[RPGPundit]

I still don't see ANY accusations (false or otherwise) made by Morse.

Here is the accusation:

Morse falsely claimed trans people are not under threat (provably false) and the trans rights movement is rooted in narcissism (false).

1. All people are under threat, since harmful things can happen to anyone, so the first claim is categorically false.

Holy shit, that's the most pedantic thing I've ever seen you say. By that logic literally everyone is "under threat", and it gives no evidence that transgender people as a group or transgender individuals are under any more threat of any kind than anyone else in the world.

While I do believe trans people are disproportionately under threat based on what I know, I don't have to prove that in order for my claim against Morse to be true.

My job was to demonstrate that Brandon Mose spread misinformation.

I did.

Except it's contextually OBVIOUS that Morse wasn't suggesting that no transgender person was ever under any threat, that they could never be victims of crime or die of old age or lose a tooth. He was very obviously responding to the suggestion that there's a "trans genocide" happening, which the Trans Activists claim with ever more screeching alacrity every passing day even though the actual evidence very much shows that there is not a mass-killing of Trans people happening in the USA, or any other western country.

So, are you going to suggest it would be OK to ban those trans activists from Social Media for making "false accusations"?

[Brad]

So, are you going to suggest it would be OK to ban those trans activists from Social Media for making "false accusations"?

Of course not, the burden of proof in this case is to demonstrate that it's NOT happening, not actually provide evidence that it is. All anti-scientific like. Zak is a good little Marxist and makes claims that are OBVIOUSLY true, morally, and any claim to the contrary means you are de facto immoral. This fucking clown had the audacity to claim I was some sort of degenerate because I said, rightfully so, that pornstars are generally looked down upon by the majority of normal people. Cannot be true! Must not be true! Patently true things are not true if they disrupt his delusional world view wherein he is a paragon of all that is right in the world.

Blah blah blah, you get the point. Fuck him. I am done wasting time on this stupid topic and you should go write some more RPG stuff for me to buy.

[Zak S]

burden of proof is on the accuser.

[GeekyBugle]

Now, regarding the everybody is under threat ergo trans-people are under threat also...

Under threat: at gunpoint, at knife point, under duress, threatened with harm.

Now here's the thing, you now HAVE TO (your own rules) prove that everybody is under threat or that trans-people are at the very least. Because you damn well know that the words mean unlawful threat of death or bodily harm by a third party.

I'm not endorsing anything that Zak says, and find his style of argument wacko. However, if the question is threat to transgender people, there are studies like this:

Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault, according to a new study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law. In addition, households with a transgender person had higher rates of property victimization than cisgender households.

• Transgender people (16+) are victimized over four times more often than cisgender people. In 2017-2018, transgender people experienced 86.2 victimizations per 1,000 people compared to 21.7 victimizations per 1,000 people for cisgender people.
• Transgender women and men had higher rates of violent victimization (86.1 and 107.5 per 1,000 people, respectively) than cisgender women and men (23.7 and 19.8 per 1,000 people, respectively).
• One in four transgender women who were victimized thought the incident was a hate crime compared to less than one in ten cisgender women.
• In 2017-2018, transgender households had higher rates of property victimization (214.1 per 1,000 households) than cisgender households (108 per 1,000 households).
• About half of all violent victimizations were not reported to police. Transgender people were as likely as cisgender people to report violence to police.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

BY whom?

This is like the hidden domestic violence incidence for lesbians.

WHO is victimizing the trannies? Other trannies.

LOL, it's worst than I thought, the data is from a survey of about 240K people, it's not based on ACTUAL crime statistics but in people saying they were victimized.

Yeah, excuse me if I don't trust self reporting shit without evidence to back it up.

[Rob Necronomicon]

1. All people are under threat, since harmful things can happen to anyone, so the first claim is categorically false.

Whut? That's far too broad a statement to be really valid in this case and is literally the definition of a Motte and Bailey argument.

But if you look at the statistics, however, one could say this (inspector) Morse is wrong. Trans folks ARE more likely to be targeted.

If he describes the Trans movement as purely based on 'narcissism' then he's clearly off in 'la la' land as that makes no sense whatsoever. I presume this is just an attack on the moment itself, as opposed to actually being in any way factual. Because one could easily look at the science behind gender dysmorphia (we know it exists and is pretty well-researched at this point). By the sounds of it, this (inspector) Morse is just an ass.

But I think we all should to be careful here because having an opinion does not automatically translate to 'deliberately spreading false information'. I mean, I've been wrong on numerous occasions (does that mean I deliberately spread misinformation for voicing my opinion?). It's more nuanced than that in my opinion.

This (inspector) Morse character doesn't sound like a particularly nice person. Not that I know who the fuck he is. But I certainly wouldn't defend his views.

[Zak S]

If he describes the Trans movement as purely based on 'narcissism' then he's clearly off in 'la la' land as that makes no sense whatsoever.

Then he's distributing misinformation.

I mean, I've been wrong on numerous occasions (does that mean I deliberately spread misinformation for voicing my opinion?)

"deliberately" doesn't come into it.

If he did it on purpose, he's evil.

If he did it accidentally, he's stupid and evil (since he could've done more research and didn't).

Either way: my choice not to support him (and to urge others not to) is wholly justified.

[Rob Necronomicon]

If he describes the Trans movement as purely based on 'narcissism' then he's clearly off in 'la la' land as that makes no sense whatsoever.

Then he's distributing misinformation.

I mean, I've been wrong on numerous occasions (does that mean I deliberately spread misinformation for voicing my opinion?)

"deliberately" doesn't come into it.

If he did it on purpose, he's evil.

If he did it accidentally, he's stupid and evil (since he could've done more research and didn't).

Either way: my choice not to support him (and to urge others not to) is wholly justified.

I don't think parts of your logic hold up from a technical perspective (as I said earlier). Because if you want to go down that route it opens up too many parts of an argument(s). Especially your first part about 'all' people being 'under threat'.

However, you're fully within your rights to not support this (inspector) Morse character. He sounds like a prick (assuming he said those things).

However, you and Pundit seem to be saying different things in this thread - So I can't judge the argument as a whole because I'm not privy to all the facts.

But, yeah... No one has to support anyone they don't like but I don't think that's ever been an issue.

[Brad]

burden of proof is on the accuser.

In a court of law. If what Pundit posted is accurate, YOU'RE accusing someone of doing something, yet providing no proof.

I've heard syphilis can melt your brain, maybe you should go get checked out.

EDIT: Zak S is a lying, disingenuous moron. Quite possibly diseased. Proof: see the above posts. Waiting for "no u".

[RPGPundit]

What I posted was what he stated on his own blog.