Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Mistwell]

Greetings!

I imagine more Covid variants will conveniently be discovered by the government, which will of course endanger more unhealthy, fat Americans.

It's pretty pathetic to review so many fat, unhealthy Americans flopping out and dying, whether from Covid or not, and then see that so many of these people have a fucking *list* of health problems as long as your leg.

So many Americans need to stay away from the goddamned cheeseburgers and chicken strips, and stop eating monstrous portions of food like fucking pigs.

That right there would make people in America much healthier and more resilient to diseases.

But our stupid fucking country has hordes of fat, obese women running around as of recently, pushing a new stupid ideology that "Healthy at any size" and everyone should love being a fat fucking pig. And if you are a man, and don't like fat women, well, you are a misogynist bigot, and full of hate! There's even a movement now to blast doctors that describe you as being fat. Fitness trainers that don't affirm and approve of you being a fucking hog beast are now also to be considered bigots and full of hate. Our country is becoming literally more insane, hedonistic, and juvenile by the fucking month.

Welcome to the Decline.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

My uncle died because of Covid. He did have health issues (though he was not overweight) but those health issues were well under control and he had years left of his life, and had lived fine with those health issues for quite a while. Covid fucked his shit up, his system went into a spiral downward, and he was never able to pull out of it. Which sucks. He was a great man, and he did nothing wrong to have died like that.

[Mistwell]

Was there a global pandemic, or wasn't there? It's a yes or no answer. No need to write a paragraph about whether it was exaggerated by Governments, or power, or any of that shit to answer that question.

Have you stopped beating your wife?

When you ask a loaded question, you don't get to demand a yes/no answer. The nuance matters.

It's not a question anything like leading, which is the wife beating question. There is nothing hidden in the question. No implication in the question itself. It's not loaded.

Either it was a global pandemic or it was not. Either "global pandemic" is a phrase with a meaning or it isn't. Does it or doesn't it meet the meaning of that phrase?

It's a leading question, because a lot of people have a very mistaken impression of what a global pandemic really is, and the assumptions and conclusions are highly politicized. There was a parrot fever pandemic in 1929 and 1930, that killed maybe 100 people in total, but it's commonly called a pandemic and meets most criteria, including the post 2009 definition used by the WHO. The annual flu also meets that definition. There are also a massive amounts of fear related to covid-19, driven by false information about its lethality. Clarifying your stance on those related issues is a very appropriate response, regardless of how you want to limit the conversation.

Plus, browbeating people isn't a very good way to get people you don't have any control over to follow your rules.

There isn't a definition of pandemic which wouldn't include this virus, if you believe the virus is real and as widespread as it was. The definition of pandemic isn't "my stance". It has an objective definition which I don't make up for you to answer a question. Use whatever definition from whatever dictionary you prefer - it meets that criteria. So you tell me what definition you prefer and then answer the question please. Stop being such a fucking coward. We all know you believe it was a pandemic so why are you so afraid of admitting that?

[GeekyBugle]

Greetings!

I imagine more Covid variants will conveniently be discovered by the government, which will of course endanger more unhealthy, fat Americans.

It's pretty pathetic to review so many fat, unhealthy Americans flopping out and dying, whether from Covid or not, and then see that so many of these people have a fucking *list* of health problems as long as your leg.

So many Americans need to stay away from the goddamned cheeseburgers and chicken strips, and stop eating monstrous portions of food like fucking pigs.

That right there would make people in America much healthier and more resilient to diseases.

But our stupid fucking country has hordes of fat, obese women running around as of recently, pushing a new stupid ideology that "Healthy at any size" and everyone should love being a fat fucking pig. And if you are a man, and don't like fat women, well, you are a misogynist bigot, and full of hate! There's even a movement now to blast doctors that describe you as being fat. Fitness trainers that don't affirm and approve of you being a fucking hog beast are now also to be considered bigots and full of hate. Our country is becoming literally more insane, hedonistic, and juvenile by the fucking month.

Welcome to the Decline.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

My uncle died because of Covid. He did have health issues (though he was not overweight) but those health issues were well under control and he had years left of his life, and had lived fine with those health issues for quite a while. Covid fucked his shit up, his system went into a spiral downward, and he was never able to pull out of it. Which sucks. He was a great man, and he did nothing wrong to have died like that.

I'm sorry for your loss.

But that doesn't prove SHARK wrong, quite the opposite.

[Mistwell]

Greetings!

I imagine more Covid variants will conveniently be discovered by the government, which will of course endanger more unhealthy, fat Americans.

It's pretty pathetic to review so many fat, unhealthy Americans flopping out and dying, whether from Covid or not, and then see that so many of these people have a fucking *list* of health problems as long as your leg.

So many Americans need to stay away from the goddamned cheeseburgers and chicken strips, and stop eating monstrous portions of food like fucking pigs.

That right there would make people in America much healthier and more resilient to diseases.

But our stupid fucking country has hordes of fat, obese women running around as of recently, pushing a new stupid ideology that "Healthy at any size" and everyone should love being a fat fucking pig. And if you are a man, and don't like fat women, well, you are a misogynist bigot, and full of hate! There's even a movement now to blast doctors that describe you as being fat. Fitness trainers that don't affirm and approve of you being a fucking hog beast are now also to be considered bigots and full of hate. Our country is becoming literally more insane, hedonistic, and juvenile by the fucking month.

Welcome to the Decline.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

My uncle died because of Covid. He did have health issues (though he was not overweight) but those health issues were well under control and he had years left of his life, and had lived fine with those health issues for quite a while. Covid fucked his shit up, his system went into a spiral downward, and he was never able to pull out of it. Which sucks. He was a great man, and he did nothing wrong to have died like that.

I'm sorry for your loss.

But that doesn't prove SHARK wrong, quite the opposite.

SHARK was pretty heavily focused on "obese is the cause of Covid deaths". Which I also think is his way of saying "If you die from Covid it's your own damn fault for eating too many burgers and fries and not keeping your weight under control."

My uncle had no weight issues and ate a good diet. His health issues had nothing to do with gluttony or any other sin.

[Pat]

Was there a global pandemic, or wasn't there? It's a yes or no answer. No need to write a paragraph about whether it was exaggerated by Governments, or power, or any of that shit to answer that question.

Have you stopped beating your wife?

When you ask a loaded question, you don't get to demand a yes/no answer. The nuance matters.

It's not a question anything like leading, which is the wife beating question. There is nothing hidden in the question. No implication in the question itself. It's not loaded.

Either it was a global pandemic or it was not. Either "global pandemic" is a phrase with a meaning or it isn't. Does it or doesn't it meet the meaning of that phrase?

It's a leading question, because a lot of people have a very mistaken impression of what a global pandemic really is, and the assumptions and conclusions are highly politicized. There was a parrot fever pandemic in 1929 and 1930, that killed maybe 100 people in total, but it's commonly called a pandemic and meets most criteria, including the post 2009 definition used by the WHO. The annual flu also meets that definition. There are also a massive amounts of fear related to covid-19, driven by false information about its lethality. Clarifying your stance on those related issues is a very appropriate response, regardless of how you want to limit the conversation.

Plus, browbeating people isn't a very good way to get people you don't have any control over to follow your rules.

There isn't a definition of pandemic which wouldn't include this virus, if you believe the virus is real and as widespread as it was. The definition of pandemic isn't "my stance". It has an objective definition which I don't make up for you to answer a question. Use whatever definition from whatever dictionary you prefer - it meets that criteria. So you tell me what definition you prefer and then answer the question please. Stop being such a fucking coward. We all know you believe it was a pandemic so why are you so afraid of admitting that?

Not answering a rhetorical question is cowardice?

I think you might want to skip the "p" section of the dictionary, and spend more time among the "c"s.

[Pat]

Greetings!

I imagine more Covid variants will conveniently be discovered by the government, which will of course endanger more unhealthy, fat Americans.

It's pretty pathetic to review so many fat, unhealthy Americans flopping out and dying, whether from Covid or not, and then see that so many of these people have a fucking *list* of health problems as long as your leg.

So many Americans need to stay away from the goddamned cheeseburgers and chicken strips, and stop eating monstrous portions of food like fucking pigs.

That right there would make people in America much healthier and more resilient to diseases.

But our stupid fucking country has hordes of fat, obese women running around as of recently, pushing a new stupid ideology that "Healthy at any size" and everyone should love being a fat fucking pig. And if you are a man, and don't like fat women, well, you are a misogynist bigot, and full of hate! There's even a movement now to blast doctors that describe you as being fat. Fitness trainers that don't affirm and approve of you being a fucking hog beast are now also to be considered bigots and full of hate. Our country is becoming literally more insane, hedonistic, and juvenile by the fucking month.

Welcome to the Decline.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

My uncle died because of Covid. He did have health issues (though he was not overweight) but those health issues were well under control and he had years left of his life, and had lived fine with those health issues for quite a while. Covid fucked his shit up, his system went into a spiral downward, and he was never able to pull out of it. Which sucks. He was a great man, and he did nothing wrong to have died like that.

I'm sorry for your loss.

But that doesn't prove SHARK wrong, quite the opposite.

SHARK was pretty heavily focused on "obese is the cause of Covid deaths". Which I also think is his way of saying "If you die from Covid it's your own damn fault for eating too many burgers and fries and not keeping your weight under control."

My uncle had no weight issues and ate a good diet. His health issues had nothing to do with gluttony or any other sin.

There's been way too much attention focused on obesity and other co-morbidities. Covid-19 is extraordinarily age-stratified. The top 5 risk factors are age, age, age, age, age, and an extra age just in case. No other factor even comes close.

All co-morbidities mean is that of the tiny, tiny, tiny, fraction of young people who suffer severe symptoms, almost all of them will be fat and/or immunocompromised. But if you're young and fat, you're still way way less likely to die than someone in their 60s or 70s who is in perfect condition for their age.

Which is why the NYC mask mandate for 2-5 years olds -- and nobody else -- is completely fucking insane.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/nyc-mayor-hopes-to-end-tot-mask-rule-within-week-says-hes-at-mercy-of-health-team/3637368/

[Kiero]

Make it clear to everyone where you stand: You think there was not a global pandemic, right? I mean regardless of Government motives and exaggerations and danger levels and power grabs and stuff (all which you also think happened) you think there was no global pandemic, right?

I've made it very clear all the way along this discussion: no there was no pandemic.

Coronaviruses are real, there are several thousand strains of them we're aware of. Mostly, they're trivial. There was a nasty strain around in spring 2020. It didn't merit any of the measures innovated in the last 2 years. That non-existent emergency was cynically used as a means to expand government power by some very unscrupulous people. Dumbasses like you have gone along with it because you believed the ever-shifting tissue of lies they told to justify it.

[HappyDaze]

Make it clear to everyone where you stand: You think there was not a global pandemic, right? I mean regardless of Government motives and exaggerations and danger levels and power grabs and stuff (all which you also think happened) you think there was no global pandemic, right?

I've made it very clear all the way along this discussion: no there was no pandemic.

Coronaviruses are real, there are several thousand strains of them we're aware of. Mostly, they're trivial. There was a nasty strain around in spring 2020. It didn't merit any of the measures innovated in the last 2 years. That non-existent emergency was cynically used as a means to expand government power by some very unscrupulous people. Dumbasses like you have gone along with it because you believed the ever-shifting tissue of lies they told to justify it.

What Kiero-world definition of pandemic are you using in your atrempt to deny reality? Serious question.

[3catcircus]

Make it clear to everyone where you stand: You think there was not a global pandemic, right? I mean regardless of Government motives and exaggerations and danger levels and power grabs and stuff (all which you also think happened) you think there was no global pandemic, right?

I've made it very clear all the way along this discussion: no there was no pandemic.

Coronaviruses are real, there are several thousand strains of them we're aware of. Mostly, they're trivial. There was a nasty strain around in spring 2020. It didn't merit any of the measures innovated in the last 2 years. That non-existent emergency was cynically used as a means to expand government power by some very unscrupulous people. Dumbasses like you have gone along with it because you believed the ever-shifting tissue of lies they told to justify it.

What Kiero-world definition of pandemic are you using in your atrempt to deny reality? Serious question.

What part of it don't you understand?  The *only* reason that so many cases of the coof were found *is* because people specifically looked high and low for them. If the world had been testing every person in 2018, 2019, etc. for rhinovirus, other corona strains, adenovirus, etc., they'd have found a similar number of people infected by those viruses.  Likewise for flu which we don't routinely test for unless it is as a result of a sick visit. 

Any wonder why there is a big news story about kids with adenovirus 41-linked hepatitis right now?  Because they were specifically testing these kids, primarily to disprove that it was coronavirus or the jab causing them.  They *specifically* looked for these viruses.  Ad 41 causes the hershey squirts and has killed tons of kids in Africa because of it. No one gave a shit (pun intended) because it didn't fit their agenda.  There isn't sufficient evidence to prove that Ad 41 is the definitive cause of these hep cases.  There *is* proof that weakened immune systems due to 2 years of lockdowns and distancing after going to cause people to get really sick because of things that would've otherwise mildly sickened them...  We could see it coming last year when all those toddlers got out of season RSV and were seriously I'll.

[HappyDaze]

Make it clear to everyone where you stand: You think there was not a global pandemic, right? I mean regardless of Government motives and exaggerations and danger levels and power grabs and stuff (all which you also think happened) you think there was no global pandemic, right?

I've made it very clear all the way along this discussion: no there was no pandemic.

Coronaviruses are real, there are several thousand strains of them we're aware of. Mostly, they're trivial. There was a nasty strain around in spring 2020. It didn't merit any of the measures innovated in the last 2 years. That non-existent emergency was cynically used as a means to expand government power by some very unscrupulous people. Dumbasses like you have gone along with it because you believed the ever-shifting tissue of lies they told to justify it.

What Kiero-world definition of pandemic are you using in your atrempt to deny reality? Serious question.

What part of it don't you understand?  The *only* reason that so many cases of the coof were found *is* because people specifically looked high and low for them. If the world had been testing every person in 2018, 2019, etc. for rhinovirus, other corona strains, adenovirus, etc., they'd have found a similar number of people infected by those viruses.  Likewise for flu which we don't routinely test for unless it is as a result of a sick visit. 

Any wonder why there is a big news story about kids with adenovirus 41-linked hepatitis right now?  Because they were specifically testing these kids, primarily to disprove that it was coronavirus or the jab causing them.  They *specifically* looked for these viruses.  Ad 41 causes the hershey squirts and has killed tons of kids in Africa because of it. No one gave a shit (pun intended) because it didn't fit their agenda.  There isn't sufficient evidence to prove that Ad 41 is the definitive cause of these hep cases.  There *is* proof that weakened immune systems due to 2 years of lockdowns and distancing after going to cause people to get really sick because of things that would've otherwise mildly sickened them...  We could see it coming last year when all those toddlers got out of season RSV and were seriously I'll.

Did looking for thr virus also cause a surge in hospitalizations from respiratory viral infections? Did these same people in previous years just not seek treatments and so remain invisible? I'm not mentioning the surges of asymptomatic idiots that clogged up resources, I'm talking about the sick that needed medical resources to survive and/or recover (or do you deny they exist too?).

[3catcircus]

Make it clear to everyone where you stand: You think there was not a global pandemic, right? I mean regardless of Government motives and exaggerations and danger levels and power grabs and stuff (all which you also think happened) you think there was no global pandemic, right?

I've made it very clear all the way along this discussion: no there was no pandemic.

Coronaviruses are real, there are several thousand strains of them we're aware of. Mostly, they're trivial. There was a nasty strain around in spring 2020. It didn't merit any of the measures innovated in the last 2 years. That non-existent emergency was cynically used as a means to expand government power by some very unscrupulous people. Dumbasses like you have gone along with it because you believed the ever-shifting tissue of lies they told to justify it.

What Kiero-world definition of pandemic are you using in your atrempt to deny reality? Serious question.

What part of it don't you understand?  The *only* reason that so many cases of the coof were found *is* because people specifically looked high and low for them. If the world had been testing every person in 2018, 2019, etc. for rhinovirus, other corona strains, adenovirus, etc., they'd have found a similar number of people infected by those viruses.  Likewise for flu which we don't routinely test for unless it is as a result of a sick visit. 

Any wonder why there is a big news story about kids with adenovirus 41-linked hepatitis right now?  Because they were specifically testing these kids, primarily to disprove that it was coronavirus or the jab causing them.  They *specifically* looked for these viruses.  Ad 41 causes the hershey squirts and has killed tons of kids in Africa because of it. No one gave a shit (pun intended) because it didn't fit their agenda.  There isn't sufficient evidence to prove that Ad 41 is the definitive cause of these hep cases.  There *is* proof that weakened immune systems due to 2 years of lockdowns and distancing after going to cause people to get really sick because of things that would've otherwise mildly sickened them...  We could see it coming last year when all those toddlers got out of season RSV and were seriously I'll.

Did looking for thr virus also cause a surge in hospitalizations from respiratory viral infections? Did these same people in previous years just not seek treatments and so remain invisible? I'm not mentioning the surges of asymptomatic idiots that clogged up resources, I'm talking about the sick that needed medical resources to survive and/or recover (or do you deny they exist too?).

They were always there - and at about the same rate as in prior years - airborne viral infections are not ever going to be stopped...

[HappyDaze]

Make it clear to everyone where you stand: You think there was not a global pandemic, right? I mean regardless of Government motives and exaggerations and danger levels and power grabs and stuff (all which you also think happened) you think there was no global pandemic, right?

I've made it very clear all the way along this discussion: no there was no pandemic.

Coronaviruses are real, there are several thousand strains of them we're aware of. Mostly, they're trivial. There was a nasty strain around in spring 2020. It didn't merit any of the measures innovated in the last 2 years. That non-existent emergency was cynically used as a means to expand government power by some very unscrupulous people. Dumbasses like you have gone along with it because you believed the ever-shifting tissue of lies they told to justify it.

What Kiero-world definition of pandemic are you using in your atrempt to deny reality? Serious question.

What part of it don't you understand?  The *only* reason that so many cases of the coof were found *is* because people specifically looked high and low for them. If the world had been testing every person in 2018, 2019, etc. for rhinovirus, other corona strains, adenovirus, etc., they'd have found a similar number of people infected by those viruses.  Likewise for flu which we don't routinely test for unless it is as a result of a sick visit. 

Any wonder why there is a big news story about kids with adenovirus 41-linked hepatitis right now?  Because they were specifically testing these kids, primarily to disprove that it was coronavirus or the jab causing them.  They *specifically* looked for these viruses.  Ad 41 causes the hershey squirts and has killed tons of kids in Africa because of it. No one gave a shit (pun intended) because it didn't fit their agenda.  There isn't sufficient evidence to prove that Ad 41 is the definitive cause of these hep cases.  There *is* proof that weakened immune systems due to 2 years of lockdowns and distancing after going to cause people to get really sick because of things that would've otherwise mildly sickened them...  We could see it coming last year when all those toddlers got out of season RSV and were seriously I'll.

Did looking for thr virus also cause a surge in hospitalizations from respiratory viral infections? Did these same people in previous years just not seek treatments and so remain invisible? I'm not mentioning the surges of asymptomatic idiots that clogged up resources, I'm talking about the sick that needed medical resources to survive and/or recover (or do you deny they exist too?).

They were always there - and at about the same rate as in prior years - airborne viral infections are not ever going to be stopped...

I can tell you from the front lines of this, you are wrong. How much time did you spend at hospitals over the past decade? In central Florida, 2020 & 2021 showed a far higher incidence of severe viral respiratory illness and admissions for the same than in the past decade. I saw it firsthand and, I saw the data afterward. Your denials of it make you look like a fool.

[3catcircus]

Make it clear to everyone where you stand: You think there was not a global pandemic, right? I mean regardless of Government motives and exaggerations and danger levels and power grabs and stuff (all which you also think happened) you think there was no global pandemic, right?

I've made it very clear all the way along this discussion: no there was no pandemic.

Coronaviruses are real, there are several thousand strains of them we're aware of. Mostly, they're trivial. There was a nasty strain around in spring 2020. It didn't merit any of the measures innovated in the last 2 years. That non-existent emergency was cynically used as a means to expand government power by some very unscrupulous people. Dumbasses like you have gone along with it because you believed the ever-shifting tissue of lies they told to justify it.

What Kiero-world definition of pandemic are you using in your atrempt to deny reality? Serious question.

What part of it don't you understand?  The *only* reason that so many cases of the coof were found *is* because people specifically looked high and low for them. If the world had been testing every person in 2018, 2019, etc. for rhinovirus, other corona strains, adenovirus, etc., they'd have found a similar number of people infected by those viruses.  Likewise for flu which we don't routinely test for unless it is as a result of a sick visit. 

Any wonder why there is a big news story about kids with adenovirus 41-linked hepatitis right now?  Because they were specifically testing these kids, primarily to disprove that it was coronavirus or the jab causing them.  They *specifically* looked for these viruses.  Ad 41 causes the hershey squirts and has killed tons of kids in Africa because of it. No one gave a shit (pun intended) because it didn't fit their agenda.  There isn't sufficient evidence to prove that Ad 41 is the definitive cause of these hep cases.  There *is* proof that weakened immune systems due to 2 years of lockdowns and distancing after going to cause people to get really sick because of things that would've otherwise mildly sickened them...  We could see it coming last year when all those toddlers got out of season RSV and were seriously I'll.

Did looking for thr virus also cause a surge in hospitalizations from respiratory viral infections? Did these same people in previous years just not seek treatments and so remain invisible? I'm not mentioning the surges of asymptomatic idiots that clogged up resources, I'm talking about the sick that needed medical resources to survive and/or recover (or do you deny they exist too?).

They were always there - and at about the same rate as in prior years - airborne viral infections are not ever going to be stopped...

I can tell you from the front lines of this, you are wrong. How much time did you spend at hospitals over the past decade? In central Florida, 2020 & 2021 showed a far higher incidence of severe viral respiratory illness and admissions for the same than in the past decade. I saw it firsthand and, I saw the data afterward. Your denials of it make you look like a fool.

You completely misunderstand the reason for this. It's not because there were more people who were sicker. It's because of human nature.  People who previously would suck it up and ride out illness (severe or not) at home were incentivized to go to the ER because of the unknown.  "What if it's covid?" "They are saying that COVID is killing people.  I saw that Chinese guy keel over in the street on TikTok." "I should go to the hospital, just to be sure." There were a lot more people going and seeking medical aid out of (irrational) fear.  In the past those people (many of whom were already on death's door anyway) would have died elsewhere with no details on their cause of death.

[HappyDaze]

Make it clear to everyone where you stand: You think there was not a global pandemic, right? I mean regardless of Government motives and exaggerations and danger levels and power grabs and stuff (all which you also think happened) you think there was no global pandemic, right?

I've made it very clear all the way along this discussion: no there was no pandemic.

Coronaviruses are real, there are several thousand strains of them we're aware of. Mostly, they're trivial. There was a nasty strain around in spring 2020. It didn't merit any of the measures innovated in the last 2 years. That non-existent emergency was cynically used as a means to expand government power by some very unscrupulous people. Dumbasses like you have gone along with it because you believed the ever-shifting tissue of lies they told to justify it.

What Kiero-world definition of pandemic are you using in your atrempt to deny reality? Serious question.

What part of it don't you understand?  The *only* reason that so many cases of the coof were found *is* because people specifically looked high and low for them. If the world had been testing every person in 2018, 2019, etc. for rhinovirus, other corona strains, adenovirus, etc., they'd have found a similar number of people infected by those viruses.  Likewise for flu which we don't routinely test for unless it is as a result of a sick visit. 

Any wonder why there is a big news story about kids with adenovirus 41-linked hepatitis right now?  Because they were specifically testing these kids, primarily to disprove that it was coronavirus or the jab causing them.  They *specifically* looked for these viruses.  Ad 41 causes the hershey squirts and has killed tons of kids in Africa because of it. No one gave a shit (pun intended) because it didn't fit their agenda.  There isn't sufficient evidence to prove that Ad 41 is the definitive cause of these hep cases.  There *is* proof that weakened immune systems due to 2 years of lockdowns and distancing after going to cause people to get really sick because of things that would've otherwise mildly sickened them...  We could see it coming last year when all those toddlers got out of season RSV and were seriously I'll.

Did looking for thr virus also cause a surge in hospitalizations from respiratory viral infections? Did these same people in previous years just not seek treatments and so remain invisible? I'm not mentioning the surges of asymptomatic idiots that clogged up resources, I'm talking about the sick that needed medical resources to survive and/or recover (or do you deny they exist too?).

They were always there - and at about the same rate as in prior years - airborne viral infections are not ever going to be stopped...

I can tell you from the front lines of this, you are wrong. How much time did you spend at hospitals over the past decade? In central Florida, 2020 & 2021 showed a far higher incidence of severe viral respiratory illness and admissions for the same than in the past decade. I saw it firsthand and, I saw the data afterward. Your denials of it make you look like a fool.

You completely misunderstand the reason for this. It's not because there were more people who were sicker. It's because of human nature.  People who previously would suck it up and ride out illness (severe or not) at home were incentivized to go to the ER because of the unknown.  "What if it's covid?" "They are saying that COVID is killing people.  I saw that Chinese guy keel over in the street on TikTok." "I should go to the hospital, just to be sure." There were a lot more people going and seeking medical aid out of (irrational) fear.  In the past those people (many of whom were already on death's door anyway) would have died elsewhere with no details on their cause of death.

Dumbass, I'm not talking about the ones that show up at the ED and get sent home because they weren't significantly sick. I specified those that were hospitalized for severe viral respiratory illness. This means people that went to the ED and were admitted because physicians determined that they were in respiratory distress (or failure) or were sufficiently at risk of developing it. This is done by assessing signs and symptoms, not merely because a patient is afraid of Covid.

[Pat]

Make it clear to everyone where you stand: You think there was not a global pandemic, right? I mean regardless of Government motives and exaggerations and danger levels and power grabs and stuff (all which you also think happened) you think there was no global pandemic, right?

I've made it very clear all the way along this discussion: no there was no pandemic.

Coronaviruses are real, there are several thousand strains of them we're aware of. Mostly, they're trivial. There was a nasty strain around in spring 2020. It didn't merit any of the measures innovated in the last 2 years. That non-existent emergency was cynically used as a means to expand government power by some very unscrupulous people. Dumbasses like you have gone along with it because you believed the ever-shifting tissue of lies they told to justify it.

What Kiero-world definition of pandemic are you using in your atrempt to deny reality? Serious question.

What part of it don't you understand?  The *only* reason that so many cases of the coof were found *is* because people specifically looked high and low for them. If the world had been testing every person in 2018, 2019, etc. for rhinovirus, other corona strains, adenovirus, etc., they'd have found a similar number of people infected by those viruses.  Likewise for flu which we don't routinely test for unless it is as a result of a sick visit. 

Any wonder why there is a big news story about kids with adenovirus 41-linked hepatitis right now?  Because they were specifically testing these kids, primarily to disprove that it was coronavirus or the jab causing them.  They *specifically* looked for these viruses.  Ad 41 causes the hershey squirts and has killed tons of kids in Africa because of it. No one gave a shit (pun intended) because it didn't fit their agenda.  There isn't sufficient evidence to prove that Ad 41 is the definitive cause of these hep cases.  There *is* proof that weakened immune systems due to 2 years of lockdowns and distancing after going to cause people to get really sick because of things that would've otherwise mildly sickened them...  We could see it coming last year when all those toddlers got out of season RSV and were seriously I'll.

Oh great, another person with the Kiero disease.

Look, most covid-19 infections, as well as the other ones diseases mentioned, aren't reported, and among those that are, most are diagnosed based on clinical symptoms rather than tests. We know novel coronavirus displaced the flu, and later the cold. So infections may be comparable. There's also a serious rebound effect from the (6?)14 days to stop the spread, because social isolation has helped population-wide immunity in a number of common endemic diseases to drop enough to cause outbreaks or even epidemics. Those things are true.

But this was a pandemic. That doesn't mean you have to agree with the insane narrative that's been pushed. But it's still a pandemic.