Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Kiero]

Thanks.

Terrifying.

Coming soon to a town near you - you do realise the Chinese playbook is the one the elites in most of the developed world are incrementally applying, right?

[Mistwell]

Thanks.

Terrifying.

Coming soon to a town near you - you do realise the Chinese playbook is the one the elites in most of the developed world are incrementally applying, right?

You do realize you have mental health issues which you should be seeking treatment for, and your life would in fact be better if you at least were brave enough to take a harder look at your issues and acknowledge you might have some and could use some help?

[Kiero]

You do realize you have mental health issues which you should be seeking treatment for, and your life would in fact be better if you at least were brave enough to take a harder look at your issues and acknowledge you might have some and could use some help?

Aw, poor Misty has no response to what's clearly going on around him, so has to fall back on the pathetic "you're crazy" line. I'm sure you'll be happy when you own nothing, because that's what you've been told.

[Pat]

Get a room.

[Ghostmaker]

I gotta say, some of the freakouts over the airline mask mandate being struck down are amusing.

The impression I'm getting is that they know they can wear a mask anyways. Heck, wear two.

They're just upset they can't force other people to mask up.

[Kiero]

I gotta say, some of the freakouts over the airline mask mandate being struck down are amusing.

The impression I'm getting is that they know they can wear a mask anyways. Heck, wear two.

They're just upset they can't force other people to mask up.

Which has been the issue all along. Little fascists who get off on that feeling of entitlement that they can tell other people what to do.

[Mistwell]

You do realize you have mental health issues which you should be seeking treatment for, and your life would in fact be better if you at least were brave enough to take a harder look at your issues and acknowledge you might have some and could use some help?

Aw, poor Misty has no response to what's clearly going on around him, so has to fall back on the pathetic "you're crazy" line. I'm sure you'll be happy when you own nothing, because that's what you've been told.

Dude, there is nobody here, not one single other person here, who I ever say has mental issues. You're it. You do have mental health issues. You are in fact seeing conspiracies in everything. It is a real problem. You would be happier if you sought help. It's good that people tell you.

[Mistwell]

I gotta say, some of the freakouts over the airline mask mandate being struck down are amusing.

The impression I'm getting is that they know they can wear a mask anyways. Heck, wear two.

They're just upset they can't force other people to mask up.

Which has been the issue all along. Little fascists who get off on that feeling of entitlement that they can tell other people what to do.

Pretty sure the airline mask rule was driven by airline employees who didn't want to die from doing their job. Maybe they were mistaken in that belief but that doesn't make them fascists for thinking that.

See, that's a good example of how you attribute to conspiracy theories what can be explained by ordinary people doing ordinary things. To you, the rule had to be about a group wanting to control other people. Reality was people just being afraid for their health.

[dkabq]

I gotta say, some of the freakouts over the airline mask mandate being struck down are amusing.

The impression I'm getting is that they know they can wear a mask anyways. Heck, wear two.

They're just upset they can't force other people to mask up.

Which has been the issue all along. Little fascists who get off on that feeling of entitlement that they can tell other people what to do.

Pretty sure the airline mask rule was driven by airline employees who didn't want to die from doing their job. Maybe they were mistaken in that belief but that doesn't make them fascists for thinking that.

See, that's a good example of how you attribute to conspiracy theories what can be explained by ordinary people doing ordinary things. To you, the rule had to be about a group wanting to control other people. Reality was people just being afraid for their health.

Or maybe it's a little of column A and a little of column B, with a side of virtue signaling. 

[oggsmash]

  People tend to be afraid when "experts" who know better tell them lies,  things like how useful wearing masks is.   The experts should have led with the reality that anything but a respirator is theatre, and the people who had honest concerns could have worn respirators.  Instead I saw all sorts of people who should know better shouting people down about "not caring for others" by not wearing cloth on their faces.   That quickly turned into advocation for mass vaccination, for your personal protection.  Resist that? well then you must be a murderous bigot who is scared of needles. 

    The rhetoric around all this was driven by fear, and no one makes a good decision while in fear mode.  I said from the start, if you are worried about your health, get a respirator.  No need to try to worry with getting properly fitted with an N-95, you can just buy one at a hardware store like painters buy to do the job, and no special fit required (not comfortable, but hey...this is your life you are saving).  If you are truly concerned, gas masks were easy to buy online...again, not the most comfortable thing to wear, but if you really felt it was life or death, you should get one.

    I did not see anyone with respirators or gas masks, I DID see people LOSING THEIR SHIT (a few in person) over other people not wearing a mask... seemed strange for such educated, medically up to date people (who of course asked the offender if he/she was a doctor anytime there was push back on the efficacy of a bit of cloth over their faces), and so empathetic and caring for their fellow humans they had the need to lecture.  Looked a whole lot to me like people who were just PISSED that some were not conforming as demanded.   

    Different mortality rates, I could understand.  Hell I wore a respirator out the first few weeks to the stores if I had to go out.   It quickly showed even through data people were trying to make look worse, that this was not Captain Tripps.   That as well as knowing probably a score of people who had no issues after getting covid, as well as having it, and I still get told how "lucky" I was or those other people are.  If you do not die from an infection that has well under a 1 percent mortality rate (and those who do die have LOTS of comorbidities, extreme outliers not withstanding) it is not in any way the definition of lucky. 

[Zelen]

I don't think there's any real world evidence that N95 respirators work either. I mean, if they failed among all of the RCTs in hospitals, I don't have any confidence they'd work anywhere else either.

[Pat]

I gotta say, some of the freakouts over the airline mask mandate being struck down are amusing.

The impression I'm getting is that they know they can wear a mask anyways. Heck, wear two.

They're just upset they can't force other people to mask up.

Which has been the issue all along. Little fascists who get off on that feeling of entitlement that they can tell other people what to do.

Pretty sure the airline mask rule was driven by airline employees who didn't want to die from doing their job. Maybe they were mistaken in that belief but that doesn't make them fascists for thinking that.

See, that's a good example of how you attribute to conspiracy theories what can be explained by ordinary people doing ordinary things. To you, the rule had to be about a group wanting to control other people. Reality was people just being afraid for their health.

"I was just a guard at Auschwitz."

Ordinary people are the people who do all the horrible things.

[oggsmash]

I don't think there's any real world evidence that N95 respirators work either. I mean, if they failed among all of the RCTs in hospitals, I don't have any confidence they'd work anywhere else either.

  I should clarify, when I say respirator I do not mean the n-95, I mean the sort that is the lower half of a full gas mask you would use for industrial painting or being exposed to hazardous breathing environments.   I give some benefit of the doubt to the n-95, and can assume infections in spite of could be due to length of time people in hospitals wearing them at work, and maybe some slip of protocol.  If I would put actual confidence in anything it would be a gas mask or full industrial respirator....but I really do not know if that works either, just that if anything will work that might.

[dkabq]

I don't think there's any real world evidence that N95 respirators work either. I mean, if they failed among all of the RCTs in hospitals, I don't have any confidence they'd work anywhere else either.

RCTs for N95s in hospitals for covid? Or for flu? Or both?

"Work" depends on the type of exposure. A cough directly in your face is different than spending a long duration in an environment with a concentration of 1-micron size virus particles.

[Ratman_tf]

  People tend to be afraid when "experts" who know better tell them lies,  things like how useful wearing masks is.   The experts should have led with the reality that anything but a respirator is theatre, and the people who had honest concerns could have worn respirators.  Instead I saw all sorts of people who should know better shouting people down about "not caring for others" by not wearing cloth on their faces.   That quickly turned into advocation for mass vaccination, for your personal protection.  Resist that? well then you must be a murderous bigot who is scared of needles. 

    The rhetoric around all this was driven by fear, and no one makes a good decision while in fear mode.  I said from the start, if you are worried about your health, get a respirator.  No need to try to worry with getting properly fitted with an N-95, you can just buy one at a hardware store like painters buy to do the job, and no special fit required (not comfortable, but hey...this is your life you are saving).  If you are truly concerned, gas masks were easy to buy online...again, not the most comfortable thing to wear, but if you really felt it was life or death, you should get one.

    I did not see anyone with respirators or gas masks, I DID see people LOSING THEIR SHIT (a few in person) over other people not wearing a mask... seemed strange for such educated, medically up to date people (who of course asked the offender if he/she was a doctor anytime there was push back on the efficacy of a bit of cloth over their faces), and so empathetic and caring for their fellow humans they had the need to lecture.  Looked a whole lot to me like people who were just PISSED that some were not conforming as demanded.   

    Different mortality rates, I could understand.  Hell I wore a respirator out the first few weeks to the stores if I had to go out.   It quickly showed even through data people were trying to make look worse, that this was not Captain Tripps.   That as well as knowing probably a score of people who had no issues after getting covid, as well as having it, and I still get told how "lucky" I was or those other people are.  If you do not die from an infection that has well under a 1 percent mortality rate (and those who do die have LOTS of comorbidities, extreme outliers not withstanding) it is not in any way the definition of lucky.

The fall into fear and superstition is what has shaken me about Covid. Seeing people develop a religious fervor around mask wearing was/is disturbing.