Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[3catcircus]

Don't quite know what to make of that. Is there some weird UK thing where you can ignore policies if you feel like it?

It was a law left with an exemption loophole: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/4/made

One which required nothing more than self-declaration of an exemption.

Designed to ensure that in the event of a legal challenge, the entire Regulation wouldn't be thrown out by the courts.

Ah. I don't know how such a loophole would be affected by "We reserve the right to refuse service." Not sure if that's strictly an American thing.

  I know a fellow who would say it was against his faith to wear the mask when asked in public places.  The business always took it at face value.  I have no idea if he was OK to do that or not, but it dropped the issue every time for him, and only one person ever pushed back and he shut them down pretty quick.    I have also seen a clerk EXTREMELY determined to make sure everyone wore a mask and did so properly at all times, and even kicked people out of a business for improper mask wearing.  So I guess it just depends on how big a deal the business wants to make it.  Though it could have  been interesting had the dont wear masks for religious reasons dude met the super clerk.

Disney was pretty hard edged. They didn't accept any excuses and were more than happy to suggest that those that wouldn't comply reschedule their visit for after the pandemic ended...and have a magical day!

At this point, Disney doesn't deserve my vacation dollars.  Woke culture, deference to communist regimes, substandard maintenance and upkeep on the property, and overpriced admissions.

There was a time when:
1. Gay and trans employees didn't try to be in the face of the vacationing public about their personal beliefs.
2. Properties were kept up - they used to chip and paint areas of the parks that needed it *every night* and there was never trash laying on the ground.
3. An annual pass was less expensive than a 10-day Park hopper ticket. Now, it's $1,299 per annual pass for the general public ($899 for those of us with DVC memberships). The pricing reads like car-buying (0% APR, $99/month with $205 down)...
4. Disney *used* to be patriotic, but it is infested with leftist employees now (which goes hand-in-hand with #1, above) who want communism like they have in China.

Fuck Disney.

It's a major employer in central Florida. Even the most right wing folks should appreciate the jobs.

I'm not spending $1000s and travelling halfway across the country so that a Disney employee can express themselves...

[HappyDaze]

Don't quite know what to make of that. Is there some weird UK thing where you can ignore policies if you feel like it?

It was a law left with an exemption loophole: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/4/made

One which required nothing more than self-declaration of an exemption.

Designed to ensure that in the event of a legal challenge, the entire Regulation wouldn't be thrown out by the courts.

Ah. I don't know how such a loophole would be affected by "We reserve the right to refuse service." Not sure if that's strictly an American thing.

  I know a fellow who would say it was against his faith to wear the mask when asked in public places.  The business always took it at face value.  I have no idea if he was OK to do that or not, but it dropped the issue every time for him, and only one person ever pushed back and he shut them down pretty quick.    I have also seen a clerk EXTREMELY determined to make sure everyone wore a mask and did so properly at all times, and even kicked people out of a business for improper mask wearing.  So I guess it just depends on how big a deal the business wants to make it.  Though it could have  been interesting had the dont wear masks for religious reasons dude met the super clerk.

Disney was pretty hard edged. They didn't accept any excuses and were more than happy to suggest that those that wouldn't comply reschedule their visit for after the pandemic ended...and have a magical day!

At this point, Disney doesn't deserve my vacation dollars.  Woke culture, deference to communist regimes, substandard maintenance and upkeep on the property, and overpriced admissions.

There was a time when:
1. Gay and trans employees didn't try to be in the face of the vacationing public about their personal beliefs.
2. Properties were kept up - they used to chip and paint areas of the parks that needed it *every night* and there was never trash laying on the ground.
3. An annual pass was less expensive than a 10-day Park hopper ticket. Now, it's $1,299 per annual pass for the general public ($899 for those of us with DVC memberships). The pricing reads like car-buying (0% APR, $99/month with $205 down)...
4. Disney *used* to be patriotic, but it is infested with leftist employees now (which goes hand-in-hand with #1, above) who want communism like they have in China.

Fuck Disney.

It's a major employer in central Florida. Even the most right wing folks should appreciate the jobs.

I'm not spending $1000s and travelling halfway across the country so that a Disney employee can express themselves...

I doubt your withheld $ even register with the House of the Mouse.

[jhkim]

There was a time when:
1. Gay and trans employees didn't try to be in the face of the vacationing public about their personal beliefs.

I'm not spending $1000s and travelling halfway across the country so that a Disney employee can express themselves...

I'm curious. I dislike Disney in general - but I did go to Disneyland for the first time recently as a birthday present for a friend. I don't recall seeing any employees that were visibly gay or trans - but then again, I wouldn't have reacted if I did.

So what sort of expression do you have a problem with?

[3catcircus]

There was a time when:
1. Gay and trans employees didn't try to be in the face of the vacationing public about their personal beliefs.

I'm not spending $1000s and travelling halfway across the country so that a Disney employee can express themselves...

I'm curious. I dislike Disney in general - but I did go to Disneyland for the first time recently as a birthday present for a friend. I don't recall seeing any employees that were visibly gay or trans - but then again, I wouldn't have reacted if I did.

So what sort of expression do you have a problem with?

For decades, Disney has espoused traditional American values: fairly conservative, patriotic Americana. 

The expression I have a problem with is seeing "male" employees with tattoos, long hair or faddish colors or styles, hippy beards, etc.  Or "female" employees with beard stubble...

Younger kids do *not* need the confusion of looking at a person and not knowing if they are male or female, and for woke companies to claim that gender dysphoria is normal is a problem.  It's not normal - it's a rare minority of people who have true gender dysphoria and who need help.

Likewise, we don't need employees of a company that has made tons of profit off of celebrating traditional patriotic western values to be bad mouthing tourists who believe in those values.

You wanna be a blue haired socialist, go to Portland because they're already fucked, but keep it out of an atmosphere that is allegedly family values oriented.

The recent "don't say gay" debacle is pretty telling - even gay parents who have kids are fed up with the trans agenda and don't want schools teaching their kids.  In other words, school doesn't get to co-parent.

[Mistwell]

Don't quite know what to make of that. Is there some weird UK thing where you can ignore policies if you feel like it?

It was a law left with an exemption loophole: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/4/made

One which required nothing more than self-declaration of an exemption.

Designed to ensure that in the event of a legal challenge, the entire Regulation wouldn't be thrown out by the courts.

Ah. I don't know how such a loophole would be affected by "We reserve the right to refuse service." Not sure if that's strictly an American thing.

  I know a fellow who would say it was against his faith to wear the mask when asked in public places.  The business always took it at face value.  I have no idea if he was OK to do that or not, but it dropped the issue every time for him, and only one person ever pushed back and he shut them down pretty quick.    I have also seen a clerk EXTREMELY determined to make sure everyone wore a mask and did so properly at all times, and even kicked people out of a business for improper mask wearing.  So I guess it just depends on how big a deal the business wants to make it.  Though it could have  been interesting had the dont wear masks for religious reasons dude met the super clerk.

Disney was pretty hard edged. They didn't accept any excuses and were more than happy to suggest that those that wouldn't comply reschedule their visit for after the pandemic ended...and have a magical day!

At this point, Disney doesn't deserve my vacation dollars.  Woke culture, deference to communist regimes, substandard maintenance and upkeep on the property, and overpriced admissions.

There was a time when:
1. Gay and trans employees didn't try to be in the face of the vacationing public about their personal beliefs.
2. Properties were kept up - they used to chip and paint areas of the parks that needed it *every night* and there was never trash laying on the ground.
3. An annual pass was less expensive than a 10-day Park hopper ticket. Now, it's $1,299 per annual pass for the general public ($899 for those of us with DVC memberships). The pricing reads like car-buying (0% APR, $99/month with $205 down)...
4. Disney *used* to be patriotic, but it is infested with leftist employees now (which goes hand-in-hand with #1, above) who want communism like they have in China.

Fuck Disney.

It's a major employer in central Florida. Even the most right wing folks should appreciate the jobs.

I'm not spending $1000s and travelling halfway across the country so that a Disney employee can express themselves...

I doubt your withheld $ even register with the House of the Mouse.

I remember years ago 3cat described the investment his family made in time share space and passes and purchases and you know what...they notice that level. 3cat and his family personally employed multiple full time employees for Disney with their expenditures every year. It's like Vegas losing one of their high rollers. It might not be a HUGE issue, but someone likely noticed.

[HappyDaze]

Don't quite know what to make of that. Is there some weird UK thing where you can ignore policies if you feel like it?

It was a law left with an exemption loophole: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/4/made

One which required nothing more than self-declaration of an exemption.

Designed to ensure that in the event of a legal challenge, the entire Regulation wouldn't be thrown out by the courts.

Ah. I don't know how such a loophole would be affected by "We reserve the right to refuse service." Not sure if that's strictly an American thing.

  I know a fellow who would say it was against his faith to wear the mask when asked in public places.  The business always took it at face value.  I have no idea if he was OK to do that or not, but it dropped the issue every time for him, and only one person ever pushed back and he shut them down pretty quick.    I have also seen a clerk EXTREMELY determined to make sure everyone wore a mask and did so properly at all times, and even kicked people out of a business for improper mask wearing.  So I guess it just depends on how big a deal the business wants to make it.  Though it could have  been interesting had the dont wear masks for religious reasons dude met the super clerk.

Disney was pretty hard edged. They didn't accept any excuses and were more than happy to suggest that those that wouldn't comply reschedule their visit for after the pandemic ended...and have a magical day!

At this point, Disney doesn't deserve my vacation dollars.  Woke culture, deference to communist regimes, substandard maintenance and upkeep on the property, and overpriced admissions.

There was a time when:
1. Gay and trans employees didn't try to be in the face of the vacationing public about their personal beliefs.
2. Properties were kept up - they used to chip and paint areas of the parks that needed it *every night* and there was never trash laying on the ground.
3. An annual pass was less expensive than a 10-day Park hopper ticket. Now, it's $1,299 per annual pass for the general public ($899 for those of us with DVC memberships). The pricing reads like car-buying (0% APR, $99/month with $205 down)...
4. Disney *used* to be patriotic, but it is infested with leftist employees now (which goes hand-in-hand with #1, above) who want communism like they have in China.

Fuck Disney.

It's a major employer in central Florida. Even the most right wing folks should appreciate the jobs.

I'm not spending $1000s and travelling halfway across the country so that a Disney employee can express themselves...

I doubt your withheld $ even register with the House of the Mouse.

I remember years ago 3cat described the investment his family made in time share space and passes and purchases and you know what...they notice that level. 3cat and his family personally employed multiple full time employees for Disney with their expenditures every year. It's like Vegas losing one of their high rollers. It might not be a HUGE issue, but someone likely noticed.

I doubt a personal investment in a timeshare matters to them any more than a fart in a hurricane. Those people are NOT high rollers. Knowing someone that takes reservations for Disney, those people are meaningless compared to resort guests.

[dkabq]

Don't quite know what to make of that. Is there some weird UK thing where you can ignore policies if you feel like it?

It was a law left with an exemption loophole: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/4/made

One which required nothing more than self-declaration of an exemption.

Designed to ensure that in the event of a legal challenge, the entire Regulation wouldn't be thrown out by the courts.

Ah. I don't know how such a loophole would be affected by "We reserve the right to refuse service." Not sure if that's strictly an American thing.

  I know a fellow who would say it was against his faith to wear the mask when asked in public places.  The business always took it at face value.  I have no idea if he was OK to do that or not, but it dropped the issue every time for him, and only one person ever pushed back and he shut them down pretty quick.    I have also seen a clerk EXTREMELY determined to make sure everyone wore a mask and did so properly at all times, and even kicked people out of a business for improper mask wearing.  So I guess it just depends on how big a deal the business wants to make it.  Though it could have  been interesting had the dont wear masks for religious reasons dude met the super clerk.

Disney was pretty hard edged. They didn't accept any excuses and were more than happy to suggest that those that wouldn't comply reschedule their visit for after the pandemic ended...and have a magical day!

At this point, Disney doesn't deserve my vacation dollars.  Woke culture, deference to communist regimes, substandard maintenance and upkeep on the property, and overpriced admissions.

There was a time when:
1. Gay and trans employees didn't try to be in the face of the vacationing public about their personal beliefs.
2. Properties were kept up - they used to chip and paint areas of the parks that needed it *every night* and there was never trash laying on the ground.
3. An annual pass was less expensive than a 10-day Park hopper ticket. Now, it's $1,299 per annual pass for the general public ($899 for those of us with DVC memberships). The pricing reads like car-buying (0% APR, $99/month with $205 down)...
4. Disney *used* to be patriotic, but it is infested with leftist employees now (which goes hand-in-hand with #1, above) who want communism like they have in China.

Fuck Disney.

It's a major employer in central Florida. Even the most right wing folks should appreciate the jobs.

I'm not spending $1000s and travelling halfway across the country so that a Disney employee can express themselves...

I doubt your withheld $ even register with the House of the Mouse.

I remember years ago 3cat described the investment his family made in time share space and passes and purchases and you know what...they notice that level. 3cat and his family personally employed multiple full time employees for Disney with their expenditures every year. It's like Vegas losing one of their high rollers. It might not be a HUGE issue, but someone likely noticed.

I doubt a personal investment in a timeshare matters to them any more than a fart in a hurricane. Those people are NOT high rollers. Knowing someone that takes reservations for Disney, those people are meaningless compared to resort guests.

By that token, pretty much nobody matters individually.

[dkabq]

Getting Rid of COVID19 restrictions that had NO data in the first place?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NALzWyASruw

[3catcircus]

Don't quite know what to make of that. Is there some weird UK thing where you can ignore policies if you feel like it?

It was a law left with an exemption loophole: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/4/made

One which required nothing more than self-declaration of an exemption.

Designed to ensure that in the event of a legal challenge, the entire Regulation wouldn't be thrown out by the courts.

Ah. I don't know how such a loophole would be affected by "We reserve the right to refuse service." Not sure if that's strictly an American thing.

  I know a fellow who would say it was against his faith to wear the mask when asked in public places.  The business always took it at face value.  I have no idea if he was OK to do that or not, but it dropped the issue every time for him, and only one person ever pushed back and he shut them down pretty quick.    I have also seen a clerk EXTREMELY determined to make sure everyone wore a mask and did so properly at all times, and even kicked people out of a business for improper mask wearing.  So I guess it just depends on how big a deal the business wants to make it.  Though it could have  been interesting had the dont wear masks for religious reasons dude met the super clerk.

Disney was pretty hard edged. They didn't accept any excuses and were more than happy to suggest that those that wouldn't comply reschedule their visit for after the pandemic ended...and have a magical day!

At this point, Disney doesn't deserve my vacation dollars.  Woke culture, deference to communist regimes, substandard maintenance and upkeep on the property, and overpriced admissions.

There was a time when:
1. Gay and trans employees didn't try to be in the face of the vacationing public about their personal beliefs.
2. Properties were kept up - they used to chip and paint areas of the parks that needed it *every night* and there was never trash laying on the ground.
3. An annual pass was less expensive than a 10-day Park hopper ticket. Now, it's $1,299 per annual pass for the general public ($899 for those of us with DVC memberships). The pricing reads like car-buying (0% APR, $99/month with $205 down)...
4. Disney *used* to be patriotic, but it is infested with leftist employees now (which goes hand-in-hand with #1, above) who want communism like they have in China.

Fuck Disney.

It's a major employer in central Florida. Even the most right wing folks should appreciate the jobs.

I'm not spending $1000s and travelling halfway across the country so that a Disney employee can express themselves...

I doubt your withheld $ even register with the House of the Mouse.

I remember years ago 3cat described the investment his family made in time share space and passes and purchases and you know what...they notice that level. 3cat and his family personally employed multiple full time employees for Disney with their expenditures every year. It's like Vegas losing one of their high rollers. It might not be a HUGE issue, but someone likely noticed.

I doubt a personal investment in a timeshare matters to them any more than a fart in a hurricane. Those people are NOT high rollers. Knowing someone that takes reservations for Disney, those people are meaningless compared to resort guests.

By that token, pretty much nobody matters individually.

Correct. Individually, not shelling out $5000 a year for 4 annual passes plus $8000 a year for meals and drinks is a blip. Now multiply that.  And now add in $3000+ a year for those who don't have DVC memberships and who stay on property. Now add in incidentals.  Call it $20-25k/year.  Forty people at that price is $1M a year. The number of people who've ditched going to Disney parks because of their leftist attitudes is more than 40.  Call it 10000 people. $250M/year isn't insignificant.

[Shasarak]

How it started:

I'm not spending $1000s and travelling halfway across the country so that a Disney employee can express themselves...

I doubt your withheld $ even register with the House of the Mouse.

How its going:

BREAKING: CEO of Disney arrested for human trafficking

https://twitter.com/Michael_PSenger/status/1504382937722068996

[oggsmash]

  I doubt that is real, though I know 4 of their employees did get pinched in a pedo sting this week. 

[3catcircus]

  I doubt that is real, though I know 4 of their employees did get pinched in a pedo sting this week.

This seems to be a failure regular occurrence...  Not necessarily Disney's fault so much as it is that they are a form of employment that attracts pedos for the same reason schools, scouts, etc. do - easy access to children. 

That having been said, there *is* an intersection between the trans agenda, the propensity for leftists to want to teach primary school kids graphic sexual topics without parental knowledge/consent, and the attempt to normalize pedo behavior.  As I said, there are *gay* couples who have kids who don't want this stuff being taught in school either.  It's only because of covid remote zoom meeting school attendance that parents were finally able to see what teachers are indoctrinating their kids in.

[oggsmash]

  I doubt that is real, though I know 4 of their employees did get pinched in a pedo sting this week.

This seems to be a failure regular occurrence...  Not necessarily Disney's fault so much as it is that they are a form of employment that attracts pedos for the same reason schools, scouts, etc. do - easy access to children. 

That having been said, there *is* an intersection between the trans agenda, the propensity for leftists to want to teach primary school kids graphic sexual topics without parental knowledge/consent, and the attempt to normalize pedo behavior.  As I said, there are *gay* couples who have kids who don't want this stuff being taught in school either.  It's only because of covid remote zoom meeting school attendance that parents were finally able to see what teachers are indoctrinating their kids in.

  Groomers want to groom.  Next step for "progress" will be some form of pedo acceptance.  Boys scouts is pretty fucked up now. It certainly had its issues before, with pedo cases (not sure if 7k cases out of 110 million scouts is way out of proportion if compared to Catholic priests or youth pastors or teachers) but 2013 on has been a disaster.  I rolled with all the changes and clinched my teeth...as the allowing of girls was supposed to operate with girls separate from boys, but in practice, that is not the case IME.  I guess we will be camping, shooting, tying knots and learning about being a good citizen without their purview from here on out.   

[Mistwell]

How it started:

I'm not spending $1000s and travelling halfway across the country so that a Disney employee can express themselves...

I doubt your withheld $ even register with the House of the Mouse.

How its going:

BREAKING: CEO of Disney arrested for human trafficking

https://twitter.com/Michael_PSenger/status/1504382937722068996

Oh look, Shasarak falling for more fake news. What a shock. I am completely stunned at this totally unexpected turn of events.

Seriously dude, do you ever critically think about stuff you read on the internet from randos?

[jeff37923]

Oh look, Shasarak falling for more fake news. What a shock. I am completely stunned at this totally unexpected turn of events.

Seriously dude, do you ever critically think about stuff you read on the internet from randos?

Says the guy in a contest with Tubesock Amy for Forum Troll of the Year.....