Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[3catcircus]

In the U.S. the age-adjusted death rate increased by 16.8% from 715.2 deaths per 100,000 standard population in 2019 to 835.4 in 2020. Furthermore the number of deaths in 2021 was 21% higher than in 2019. This claim that we saw no appreciable increase in all causes of death is false.

We can argue about whether Covid measures caused that increase in death, but there is no question that more people died during the Covid years in the U.S..

Now break that down by death from COVID, death with COVID, death to to delayed treatment for other medical issues, drug overdose, and suicide.

Overwhelmingly, death from covid is last in that count.  Covid is on par with a bad flu season and the evidence that has been suppressed and is now seeing the light of day bears this out.

[Eirikrautha]

In the U.S. the age-adjusted death rate increased by 16.8% from 715.2 deaths per 100,000 standard population in 2019 to 835.4 in 2020. Furthermore the number of deaths in 2021 was 21% higher than in 2019. This claim that we saw no appreciable increase in all causes of death is false.

We can argue about whether Covid measures caused that increase in death, but there is no question that more people died during the Covid years in the U.S..

Now break that down by death from COVID, death with COVID, death to to delayed treatment for other medical issues, drug overdose, and suicide.

Overwhelmingly, death from covid is last in that count.  Covid is on par with a bad flu season and the evidence that has been suppressed and is now seeing the light of day bears this out.

You forgot "death from reaction to experimental vaccines" in your list...

[3catcircus]

In the U.S. the age-adjusted death rate increased by 16.8% from 715.2 deaths per 100,000 standard population in 2019 to 835.4 in 2020. Furthermore the number of deaths in 2021 was 21% higher than in 2019. This claim that we saw no appreciable increase in all causes of death is false.

We can argue about whether Covid measures caused that increase in death, but there is no question that more people died during the Covid years in the U.S..

Now break that down by death from COVID, death with COVID, death to to delayed treatment for other medical issues, drug overdose, and suicide.

Overwhelmingly, death from covid is last in that count.  Covid is on par with a bad flu season and the evidence that has been suppressed and is now seeing the light of day bears this out.

You forgot "death from reaction to experimental vaccines" in your list...

Fair enough.

[Kiero]

In the U.S. the age-adjusted death rate increased by 16.8% from 715.2 deaths per 100,000 standard population in 2019 to 835.4 in 2020. Furthermore the number of deaths in 2021 was 21% higher than in 2019. This claim that we saw no appreciable increase in all causes of death is false.

We can argue about whether Covid measures caused that increase in death, but there is no question that more people died during the Covid years in the U.S..

I said the UK, not the US. 2019 was the end of an almost two-decades long decline in death rates. The death rate in 2008 was higher than 2020.

[HappyDaze]

True.  But the public isn't paying attention either way.  The real way to do this would have required that medical practice included testing every single person presenting with cold and flu symptoms going back to the very first possible ability to test, and then tracking every single case that progressed to pneumonia and death.  Except we never have. All those feebs who got pneumonia and died who tested negative for flu? Chalked up to "some kind of viral pneumonia ." Unless it was part of the AIDS! AIDS! AIDS! situation, no one ever bothered to determine if the pneumonia was caused by a rhinovirus, some other coronavirus strain, etc. We never even bothered to test for flu in many cases, so the public health bureaucracies estimated flu cases every year. If we had ever bothered to test and trace healthy people in the past, we'd see a similar number of "cases" as we did with the coof.  Airborne respiratory viruses do what dey dooo...

Your premise falls apart right there in your third sentence. There is no reliable test that can distinguish any respiratory virus from another, without sequencing the genes of every single sample taken. Not even after all the money they've spaffed away on this bollocks would they ever consider that.

In this country, they've been lumping flu and pneumonia in with "covid" since September 2020, they've deliberately made no attempt to distinguish them from each other to artificially inflate the number of covid cases and deaths.

Here in Florida, we often run parallel tests and have many patients positive for one or the other or both (or even RSV). It is possible to distinguish the viruses in testing, at least as done in the USA.

[Kiero]

Here in Florida, we often run parallel tests and have many patients positive for one or the other or both (or even RSV). It is possible to distinguish the viruses in testing, at least as done in the USA.

With what test? Because neither PCR nor LFT test can distinguish covid from a dozen other viruses.

[Ratman_tf]

Here in Florida, we often run parallel tests and have many patients positive for one or the other or both (or even RSV). It is possible to distinguish the viruses in testing, at least as done in the USA.

With what test? Because neither PCR nor LFT test can distinguish covid from a dozen other viruses.

Seeing a stack of these tests in the grocery store makes me thing we're a step away from magic talismans and tea leaves.

[Kiero]

Incredible how many seem to have forgotten all about the covid-scam now the Ukraine squirrel has been loosed. Never mind that the data Pfizer wanted to hide for 70 years is now available and being ignored by the MSM.

[Mistwell]

In the U.S. the age-adjusted death rate increased by 16.8% from 715.2 deaths per 100,000 standard population in 2019 to 835.4 in 2020. Furthermore the number of deaths in 2021 was 21% higher than in 2019. This claim that we saw no appreciable increase in all causes of death is false.

We can argue about whether Covid measures caused that increase in death, but there is no question that more people died during the Covid years in the U.S..

Now break that down by death from COVID, death with COVID, death to to delayed treatment for other medical issues, drug overdose, and suicide.

Overwhelmingly, death from covid is last in that count.  Covid is on par with a bad flu season and the evidence that has been suppressed and is now seeing the light of day bears this out.

I disagree with your assessment but it doesn't matter as you ignored my point. All we know for sure is more people died during the two covid years than during the non-covid years, by meaningful numbers. We can argue about the cause (and you already are despite my saying that), but we cannot argue that more people did not die. As far as I know, only one person here is arguing that more people didn't die during those years, and you're not that guy.

[Mistwell]

In the U.S. the age-adjusted death rate increased by 16.8% from 715.2 deaths per 100,000 standard population in 2019 to 835.4 in 2020. Furthermore the number of deaths in 2021 was 21% higher than in 2019. This claim that we saw no appreciable increase in all causes of death is false.

We can argue about whether Covid measures caused that increase in death, but there is no question that more people died during the Covid years in the U.S..

I said the UK, not the US

And I said US, not UK. US being a much larger sample size, it's a better example. Unless you're arguing UK had better anti-covid measures maybe?

2019 was the end of an almost two-decades long decline in death rates. The death rate in 2008 was higher than 2020.

Because....reasons? Gosh what an amazing coincidence a two-decades-long trend ended when covid started. Must have nothing to do with covid, right?

[3catcircus]

In the U.S. the age-adjusted death rate increased by 16.8% from 715.2 deaths per 100,000 standard population in 2019 to 835.4 in 2020. Furthermore the number of deaths in 2021 was 21% higher than in 2019. This claim that we saw no appreciable increase in all causes of death is false.

We can argue about whether Covid measures caused that increase in death, but there is no question that more people died during the Covid years in the U.S..

Now break that down by death from COVID, death with COVID, death to to delayed treatment for other medical issues, drug overdose, and suicide.

Overwhelmingly, death from covid is last in that count.  Covid is on par with a bad flu season and the evidence that has been suppressed and is now seeing the light of day bears this out.

I disagree with your assessment but it doesn't matter as you ignored my point. All we know for sure is more people died during the two covid years than during the non-covid years, by meaningful numbers. We can argue about the cause (and you already are despite my saying that), but we cannot argue that more people did not die. As far as I know, only one person here is arguing that more people didn't die during those years, and you're not that guy.

By every technical measure, deaths from covid were previously just deaths from some kind of viral pneumonia.  It's *only* because people started looking that they saw what was already there in years past.

It is, however, undeniable that meaningless and harmful measures to lock down, wear masks, and take untested therapies has led to childhood mental illness, drug abuse, alcoholism, and suicide.

[Kiero]

And I said US, not UK. US being a much larger sample size, it's a better example. Unless you're arguing UK had better anti-covid measures maybe?

The US is fatter and even unhealthier than the UK, with worse healthcare provision overall. There are wild disparities between states in the approaches they took, where ours were uniform at the country level. They're not analogous.

Because....reasons? Gosh what an amazing coincidence a two-decades-long trend ended when covid started. Must have nothing to do with covid, right?

Lockdown here resulted in almost six months of our healthcare system being essentially closed. Diagnoses and treatments were missed on a huge scale. Deaths at home (and suicides) spiked as a result.

[dkabq]

Another great dissection of a masking study.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivIEnk2sbIg
https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/a-new-paper-claims-kids-masking-associated?s=r

[Ratman_tf]

Masks off on the 12th here in WA. I'm looking forward to it.
It's less hassle to wear them when asked by an establishment. But I'm one who thinks their effectiveness was questionable from the start, and quickly turned into safety theater.

[Kiero]

Masks off on the 12th here in WA. I'm looking forward to it.
It's less hassle to wear them when asked by an establishment. But I'm one who thinks their effectiveness was questionable from the start, and quickly turned into safety theater.

The long-term risks of inhaling mask fibres worry me a lot more than the minor social strife involved in refusing to wear a mask when requested.

That would be why I've never worn one.