Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[oggsmash]

  Nothing Orwellian at all about watching a decrepit old man lurching across the White house Lawn, alone and wearing a Bane mask one day, and literally the very next day that decrepit man and many of the oldest, weakest, and fattest members of congress are all packed in a room together with no masks and fawning all over one another for a camera.  I guess the science can change super duper fast on some issues.

[3catcircus]

  Nothing Orwellian at all about watching a decrepit old man lurching across the White house Lawn, alone and wearing a Bane mask one day, and literally the very next day that decrepit man and many of the oldest, weakest, and fattest members of congress are all packed in a room together with no masks and fawning all over one another for a camera.  I guess the science can change super duper fast on some issues.

"Stop being a vaxxhole! No more misinformation!! TrUsT tHe ScIeNcE!!! No NoT tHaT sCiEnCe!!!!"

It doesn't surprise me that the same turds who were crying about people refusing to get the jab are the same ones who want to make kids keep wearing masks are the same ones who want us to dive headlong into Ukraine to continue more war adventurism so Lockheed and Halliburton can eke out an extra quarter of a cent dividend next quarter.

[Ratman_tf]

Remember the crazy conspiracy theory that the Vaccines affected your DNA?

5. Conclusions
Our study is the first in vitro study on the effect of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 on human liver cell line. We present evidence on fast entry of BNT162b2 into the cells and subsequent intracellular reverse transcription of BNT162b2 mRNA into DNA.

https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm

[dkabq]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03/cdc-estimates-140-million-americans-have-had-covid-about-double-case-reports/
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
952,223/140,000,000 = 0.0068016 deaths/illnesses

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
Summing the deaths and illnesses in Figure 2 and divide, you get 0.001183 deaths/illness

Divide the two and you get 5.75. So over the entire population, covid is about 6x worse than the flu. But don't forget that the CDC-reported "covid deaths" include death from covid and death with covid. Even so, you would have to assume that only 17.3% of "covid deaths" were death from covid for it to drop to the level of flu.

What I think makes this interesting is that an overall deaths/illnesses of ~0.001 only has a recommendation to take the flu vaccine, while ~0.007 calls for shutting down the economy, mandating wearing facial decorations (cloth masks), and mandating everyone take a vaccine (that does not prevent you from catching or spreading the virus, and only lasts ~6 months) approved under an EUA. It begs the question of where between those two numbers do you transition between those two states?

Of course, unless you are a leftist talking about the gender pay gap, the overall numbers are only the start of looking at the data. It would be interesting to see how deaths/illnesses varied over age groups, races, sexes, etc. It would have been really interesting for that to have been done in near real-time so that protective measures/resources could have been allocated to those most at-risk.

Too bad the CDC is too scared of me to release all of their data.

[GeekyBugle]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03/cdc-estimates-140-million-americans-have-had-covid-about-double-case-reports/
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
952,223/140,000,000 = 0.0068016 deaths/illnesses

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
Summing the deaths and illnesses in Figure 2 and divide, you get 0.001183 deaths/illness

Divide the two and you get 5.75. So over the entire population, covid is about 6x worse than the flu. But don't forget that the CDC-reported "covid deaths" include death from covid and death with covid. Even so, you would have to assume that only 17.3% of "covid deaths" were death from covid for it to drop to the level of flu.

What I think makes this interesting is that an overall deaths/illnesses of ~0.001 only has a recommendation to take the flu vaccine, while ~0.007 calls for shutting down the economy, mandating wearing facial decorations (cloth masks), and mandating everyone take a vaccine (that does not prevent you from catching or spreading the virus, and only lasts ~6 months) approved under an EUA. It begs the question of where between those two numbers do you transition between those two states?

Of course, unless you are a leftist talking about the gender pay gap, the overall numbers are only the start of looking at the data. It would be interesting to see how deaths/illnesses varied over age groups, races, sexes, etc. It would have been really interesting for that to have been done in near real-time so that protective measures/resources could have been allocated to those most at-risk.

Too bad the CDC is too scared of me to release all of their data.

Is there a way to get an accurate number of the deaths, suffering, poverty, etc. caused BY the meassures used to "Stop the Spread"?

[rgalex]

Of course, unless you are a leftist talking about the gender pay gap, the overall numbers are only the start of looking at the data. It would be interesting to see how deaths/illnesses varied over age groups, races, sexes, etc. It would have been really interesting for that to have been done in near real-time so that protective measures/resources could have been allocated to those most at-risk.

Too bad the CDC is too scared of me to release all of their data.

This page may help somewhat. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/disparity-explorer

Some states have more data than others but in my state of Ohio, for example, the 20-29 age group which is 13% of the population had the highest % of cases at 18% but were only 0.34% of the deaths.

On the other hand, the 80+ age group makes up 4.2% of the state population, had 3.7% of the cases and were 42% of all the deaths.

[Zelen]

Is there a way to get an accurate number of the deaths, suffering, poverty, etc. caused BY the meassures used to "Stop the Spread"?

Of course not, because those are victimless crimes. But it was all worth it, because otherwise we'd be building gallows.

We need more gallows.

[3catcircus]

Is there a way to get an accurate number of the deaths, suffering, poverty, etc. caused BY the meassures used to "Stop the Spread"?

Of course not, because those are victimless crimes. But it was all worth it, because otherwise we'd be building gallows.

We need more gallows.

The question presumes that we had an accurate count of deaths from or with COVID.  We've never and will never have a true count of deaths or of infections.

[GeekyBugle]

Is there a way to get an accurate number of the deaths, suffering, poverty, etc. caused BY the meassures used to "Stop the Spread"?

Of course not, because those are victimless crimes. But it was all worth it, because otherwise we'd be building gallows.

We need more gallows.

The question presumes that we had an accurate count of deaths from or with COVID.  We've never and will never have a true count of deaths or of infections.

The question presumes nothing. Except in your head.

[dkabq]

I suppose he will forward on that information to the Ministry of Truth:
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/596709-surgeon-general-demands-data-on-covid-19-misinformation-from-major-tech

[Kiero]

The question presumes that we had an accurate count of deaths from or with COVID.  We've never and will never have a true count of deaths or of infections.

No, but they can't fake all-cause death stats. Which barely ticked up in the UK in 2020 and weren't high for the last 20 years.

[3catcircus]

The question presumes that we had an accurate count of deaths from or with COVID.  We've never and will never have a true count of deaths or of infections.

No, but they can't fake all-cause death stats. Which barely ticked up in the UK in 2020 and weren't high for the last 20 years.

True.  But the public isn't paying attention either way.  The real way to do this would have required that medical practice included testing every single person presenting with cold and flu symptoms going back to the very first possible ability to test, and then tracking every single case that progressed to pneumonia and death.  Except we never have. All those feebs who got pneumonia and died who tested negative for flu? Chalked up to "some kind of viral pneumonia ." Unless it was part of the AIDS! AIDS! AIDS! situation, no one ever bothered to determine if the pneumonia was caused by a rhinovirus, some other coronavirus strain, etc. We never even bothered to test for flu in many cases, so the public health bureaucracies estimated flu cases every year. If we had ever bothered to test and trace healthy people in the past, we'd see a similar number of "cases" as we did with the coof.  Airborne respiratory viruses do what dey dooo...

[Kiero]

True.  But the public isn't paying attention either way.  The real way to do this would have required that medical practice included testing every single person presenting with cold and flu symptoms going back to the very first possible ability to test, and then tracking every single case that progressed to pneumonia and death.  Except we never have. All those feebs who got pneumonia and died who tested negative for flu? Chalked up to "some kind of viral pneumonia ." Unless it was part of the AIDS! AIDS! AIDS! situation, no one ever bothered to determine if the pneumonia was caused by a rhinovirus, some other coronavirus strain, etc. We never even bothered to test for flu in many cases, so the public health bureaucracies estimated flu cases every year. If we had ever bothered to test and trace healthy people in the past, we'd see a similar number of "cases" as we did with the coof.  Airborne respiratory viruses do what dey dooo...

Your premise falls apart right there in your third sentence. There is no reliable test that can distinguish any respiratory virus from another, without sequencing the genes of every single sample taken. Not even after all the money they've spaffed away on this bollocks would they ever consider that.

In this country, they've been lumping flu and pneumonia in with "covid" since September 2020, they've deliberately made no attempt to distinguish them from each other to artificially inflate the number of covid cases and deaths.

[3catcircus]

True.  But the public isn't paying attention either way.  The real way to do this would have required that medical practice included testing every single person presenting with cold and flu symptoms going back to the very first possible ability to test, and then tracking every single case that progressed to pneumonia and death.  Except we never have. All those feebs who got pneumonia and died who tested negative for flu? Chalked up to "some kind of viral pneumonia ." Unless it was part of the AIDS! AIDS! AIDS! situation, no one ever bothered to determine if the pneumonia was caused by a rhinovirus, some other coronavirus strain, etc. We never even bothered to test for flu in many cases, so the public health bureaucracies estimated flu cases every year. If we had ever bothered to test and trace healthy people in the past, we'd see a similar number of "cases" as we did with the coof.  Airborne respiratory viruses do what dey dooo...

Your premise falls apart right there in your third sentence. There is no reliable test that can distinguish any respiratory virus from another, without sequencing the genes of every single sample taken. Not even after all the money they've spaffed away on this bollocks would they ever consider that.

In this country, they've been lumping flu and pneumonia in with "covid" since September 2020, they've deliberately made no attempt to distinguish them from each other to artificially inflate the number of covid cases and deaths.

Concur.  But the public is stupid and easily led.  At this point, many who are still demanding people wear masks and get jabbed can be considered cultists who need to be deprogrammed.  I spend some time on the current iteration of the old Circvs Maximus boards and one of the posters (kirinke) fully exhibits these cult-slave behaviors...  There are plenty more like her - they *want* and *need* someone to control their lives.

[Mistwell]

In the U.S. the age-adjusted death rate increased by 16.8% from 715.2 deaths per 100,000 standard population in 2019 to 835.4 in 2020. Furthermore the number of deaths in 2021 was 21% higher than in 2019. This claim that we saw no appreciable increase in all causes of death is false.

We can argue about whether Covid measures caused that increase in death, but there is no question that more people died during the Covid years in the U.S..