Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[oggsmash]

If you have a vaccine against one disease and get infected by another, it doesn't mean the vaccine isn't really a vaccine. It just means you got infected by something the vaccine doesn't protect against.

  And if it is being administered for the one that it does not work on, I think we call that getting scammed, not vaccinated.   But if you are presenting the argument that they made a vaccine for a strain of covid that might not even exist any more, I agree 100 percent.

[Ghostmaker]

How convenient.

[oggsmash]

How convenient.

  My biggest regret in all this is I will never get to take a baseball to his knees and about 500 of his cronies.

[HappyDaze]

  Shitty vaccine = doesnt really work in its stated capacity
  How is that any different than a sugar pill?  Other than I know the sugar pill isnt going to work.   I have a theory, that A LOT of hospitalizations are largely not needed, and more the effect of people who never experience discomfort getting a little sick (this is not to discount the people with shitloads of other issues actually threatened by the virus).  Visit any emergency room and you are going to see a shitload of people who really do not need to be there most days.  I also suspect one of the deciding factors in these people going to the hospital is psychological to a degree.  They get sick, know they are vaccinated, and might even feel pretty bad.   They have been told they are MUCH less likely to need to go to the hospital...so they do not go.  Conversely, someone who has not had a shot, gets sick, feels pretty bad (because it does make you feel pretty bad) and go to the hospital because they have been pummeled endlessly about how much more likely they are to need hospitalization.   

   So at this point I am not certain hospitalizations (past ambulance rides) mean jack shit as to vaccine vs no vaccine as a viable statistic, because there has been a whole shitload of psychological pressure on people who have been just about fear porned to death.

The patient gets to decide whether to go to the emergency room, but it is largely up to the provider(s) whether or not they are admitted (a "hospitalization") based on s/s, diagnosis, and prognosis. Patient preference can overrule a provider's order to admit, but preference doesn't get someone admitted without a provider's order.

[Kiero]

That's nonsense. Neither vaccinations nor natural immunity create a magical shield that prevents (for example) a virus from getting into your body. Instead, the virus comes in, starts to replicate, and your body musters a defense, typically isolating and/or destroying the virus, and then overwhelms it.

That's how your body's immune system works. You may display mild or no symptoms, but you were infected.

They stop the virus manifesting as an active, symptomatic infection. I have only ever had chicken pox (varicella) once in my entire life, as a child. I have had three children get it, and wasn't ill with it at all. If anyone bothered to test me at the time, chances are my viral load would have been insufficient to infect another person too.

The covid jabs do fuck all. The virus blows right through the non-existent "protection" they supposedly provide.

[Pat]

If you have a vaccine against one disease and get infected by another, it doesn't mean the vaccine isn't really a vaccine. It just means you got infected by something the vaccine doesn't protect against.

  And if it is being administered for the one that it does not work on, I think we call that getting scammed, not vaccinated.   But if you are presenting the argument that they made a vaccine for a strain of covid that might not even exist any more, I agree 100 percent.

I have no problem with that, just the definition of vaccine. The government response has been fascist and anti-science, and omicron definitely seems to be supplanting all the other strains.

[GeekyBugle]

If you have a vaccine against one disease and get infected by another, it doesn't mean the vaccine isn't really a vaccine. It just means you got infected by something the vaccine doesn't protect against.

  And if it is being administered for the one that it does not work on, I think we call that getting scammed, not vaccinated.   But if you are presenting the argument that they made a vaccine for a strain of covid that might not even exist any more, I agree 100 percent.

I have no problem with that, just the definition of vaccine. The government response has been fascist and anti-science, and omicron definitely seems to be supplanting all the other strains.

Which is why we need more mandates, lockdowns, eternal boosters, etc.

(This comment brought to you by Pfizer)

[3catcircus]

How convenient.

  My biggest regret in all this is I will never get to take a baseball to his knees and about 500 of his cronies.

Bro, why you wanna hurt a dementia sufferer?  I'm sure he still a complete piece of shit, but the time to destroy him was over the past several decades.  He's where he is now *because* no one stopped him when he was younger. The same as every other piece of shit fossil dug in like a tick in government "service."

[Pat]

If you have a vaccine against one disease and get infected by another, it doesn't mean the vaccine isn't really a vaccine. It just means you got infected by something the vaccine doesn't protect against.

  And if it is being administered for the one that it does not work on, I think we call that getting scammed, not vaccinated.   But if you are presenting the argument that they made a vaccine for a strain of covid that might not even exist any more, I agree 100 percent.

I have no problem with that, just the definition of vaccine. The government response has been fascist and anti-science, and omicron definitely seems to be supplanting all the other strains.

Which is why we need more mandates, lockdowns, eternal boosters, etc.

(This comment brought to you by Pfizer)

You forgot the video version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uexqgkyFmo

[3catcircus]

If you have a vaccine against one disease and get infected by another, it doesn't mean the vaccine isn't really a vaccine. It just means you got infected by something the vaccine doesn't protect against.

  And if it is being administered for the one that it does not work on, I think we call that getting scammed, not vaccinated.   But if you are presenting the argument that they made a vaccine for a strain of covid that might not even exist any more, I agree 100 percent.

I have no problem with that, just the definition of vaccine. The government response has been fascist and anti-science, and omicron definitely seems to be supplanting all the other strains.

Which is why we need more mandates, lockdowns, eternal boosters, etc.

(This comment brought to you by Pfizer)

I find it enraging that all of the people who over the past 2 years that the vaccines, masks, and social distancing would not appreciably change the pandemic outcome were actively silenced.  We see the outcome - no appreciable difference.

The fact that the guy who invented PCR was lambasting Fauci for using it to diagnose infection - in the 1980s for AIDS - should have been paid attention to but wasn't.

The fact that one of the guys who invented mRNA cautioned against it's use without more clinical trials and concerns about ADE should have been paid attention to but wasn't.

That locales with widespread access to HCQ and ivermectin had lower case rates and faster viral clearance rates should have resulted in serious studies of their use for covid but didn't.

That there was a massive effort to obfuscate the origins of COVID.

These all point to massive incompetence couples with massive cover ups.

Everyone involved in keeping this pandemic going needs to pay in blood.

[Kiero]

Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test who said it was never designed as a diagnostic tool, died in mysterious circumstances a few years ago.

[oggsmash]

How convenient.

  My biggest regret in all this is I will never get to take a baseball to his knees and about 500 of his cronies.

Bro, why you wanna hurt a dementia sufferer?  I'm sure he still a complete piece of shit, but the time to destroy him was over the past several decades.  He's where he is now *because* no one stopped him when he was younger. The same as every other piece of shit fossil dug in like a tick in government "service."

    Suffering dementia doesnt redeem him IMO.  I would be a bit more eager regarding the 500 cronies.   If there is a hell he will burn in it. 

[oggsmash]

  Shitty vaccine = doesnt really work in its stated capacity
  How is that any different than a sugar pill?  Other than I know the sugar pill isnt going to work.   I have a theory, that A LOT of hospitalizations are largely not needed, and more the effect of people who never experience discomfort getting a little sick (this is not to discount the people with shitloads of other issues actually threatened by the virus).  Visit any emergency room and you are going to see a shitload of people who really do not need to be there most days.  I also suspect one of the deciding factors in these people going to the hospital is psychological to a degree.  They get sick, know they are vaccinated, and might even feel pretty bad.   They have been told they are MUCH less likely to need to go to the hospital...so they do not go.  Conversely, someone who has not had a shot, gets sick, feels pretty bad (because it does make you feel pretty bad) and go to the hospital because they have been pummeled endlessly about how much more likely they are to need hospitalization.   

   So at this point I am not certain hospitalizations (past ambulance rides) mean jack shit as to vaccine vs no vaccine as a viable statistic, because there has been a whole shitload of psychological pressure on people who have been just about fear porned to death.

The patient gets to decide whether to go to the emergency room, but it is largely up to the provider(s) whether or not they are admitted (a "hospitalization") based on s/s, diagnosis, and prognosis. Patient preference can overrule a provider's order to admit, but preference doesn't get someone admitted without a provider's order.

   I $uspect that admi$$ion might be weighted on another other factor$ as well.

[HappyDaze]

  Shitty vaccine = doesnt really work in its stated capacity
  How is that any different than a sugar pill?  Other than I know the sugar pill isnt going to work.   I have a theory, that A LOT of hospitalizations are largely not needed, and more the effect of people who never experience discomfort getting a little sick (this is not to discount the people with shitloads of other issues actually threatened by the virus).  Visit any emergency room and you are going to see a shitload of people who really do not need to be there most days.  I also suspect one of the deciding factors in these people going to the hospital is psychological to a degree.  They get sick, know they are vaccinated, and might even feel pretty bad.   They have been told they are MUCH less likely to need to go to the hospital...so they do not go.  Conversely, someone who has not had a shot, gets sick, feels pretty bad (because it does make you feel pretty bad) and go to the hospital because they have been pummeled endlessly about how much more likely they are to need hospitalization.   

   So at this point I am not certain hospitalizations (past ambulance rides) mean jack shit as to vaccine vs no vaccine as a viable statistic, because there has been a whole shitload of psychological pressure on people who have been just about fear porned to death.

The patient gets to decide whether to go to the emergency room, but it is largely up to the provider(s) whether or not they are admitted (a "hospitalization") based on s/s, diagnosis, and prognosis. Patient preference can overrule a provider's order to admit, but preference doesn't get someone admitted without a provider's order.

   I $uspect that admi$$ion might be weighted on another other factor$ as well.

You have proof, or are you just talking out of your ass again?

Admission decisions are based on medical criteria, not financial criteria (including any consideration of the patient's ability to pay), and there are several conditions that automatically warrant admission that typically lose money for hospitals (e.g., involuntary psychiatric admissions for threats of harm to self or others).

[oggsmash]

  Shitty vaccine = doesnt really work in its stated capacity
  How is that any different than a sugar pill?  Other than I know the sugar pill isnt going to work.   I have a theory, that A LOT of hospitalizations are largely not needed, and more the effect of people who never experience discomfort getting a little sick (this is not to discount the people with shitloads of other issues actually threatened by the virus).  Visit any emergency room and you are going to see a shitload of people who really do not need to be there most days.  I also suspect one of the deciding factors in these people going to the hospital is psychological to a degree.  They get sick, know they are vaccinated, and might even feel pretty bad.   They have been told they are MUCH less likely to need to go to the hospital...so they do not go.  Conversely, someone who has not had a shot, gets sick, feels pretty bad (because it does make you feel pretty bad) and go to the hospital because they have been pummeled endlessly about how much more likely they are to need hospitalization.   

   So at this point I am not certain hospitalizations (past ambulance rides) mean jack shit as to vaccine vs no vaccine as a viable statistic, because there has been a whole shitload of psychological pressure on people who have been just about fear porned to death.

The patient gets to decide whether to go to the emergency room, but it is largely up to the provider(s) whether or not they are admitted (a "hospitalization") based on s/s, diagnosis, and prognosis. Patient preference can overrule a provider's order to admit, but preference doesn't get someone admitted without a provider's order.

   I $uspect that admi$$ion might be weighted on another other factor$ as well.

You have proof, or are you just talking out of your ass again?

Admission decisions are based on medical criteria, not financial criteria (including any consideration of the patient's ability to pay), and there are several conditions that automatically warrant admission that typically lose money for hospitals (e.g., involuntary psychiatric admissions for threats of harm to self or others).

  I think you misunderstand.