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Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

Started by Zirunel, May 31, 2020, 04:01:23 PM

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HappyDaze

Quote from: Fheredin on February 03, 2022, 08:28:34 AM
The bottom line of COVID policies:


  • The lockdowns didn't work particularly well.
  • Masks appear to have worked better for lower-transmission variants, but roughly since Delta, they haven't done much of anything.
  • The vaccines worked...past tense. Omicron has pretty well demolished this, with the hyper-triple jabbed Israel now hitting all time high daily deaths.
  • The economic aftershocks of the lockdowns--and the frenzy of low interest leverage we got as a result--will almost certainly be far worse than the actual effects of COVID were.
  • People died because alternative therapies were not pursued. HCQ and Ivermectin are the familiar names, but we now have many studies showing Vitamin D deficiency plays a key role in severe COVID, and 40% of the population of the US is severely Vitamin D deficient. All this time, and one of the key preventative treatment options is literally available at every dollar and drug store in the nation.

The real elephant in the room is the deaths in working age individuals. This group is not usually at great risk from COVID, and yet their death figures are WAY up in 2021. https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html

This is in the process of creating a labor supply shock. You thought the low-end wage jobs suddenly going to $15/ hour was bad? Real wages are still down! Wages are about to go up in a big way. It's not hard to see how highly leveraged corporate balance sheets and the increased overhead of a labor supply shock will combine to utterly wreck most businesses.
Vitamin D and zinc were regularly prescribed (and, of course, available OTC) for patients with Covid along with breathing treatments (typically nebulizer-based such as DuoNeb), antibiotics (for diffuse lower-lobe pneumonia that typically leads to the worst outcomes), and anti-inflammatories (both steroidal and non-steroidal). Antiviral use was less consistent and more physician-dependent.

Pat

Here's a direct link to the Johns Hopkins study that shows that lockdowns in the US only reduced mortality by 0.2%:
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Note it's from the JH school of economics, not medicine.

Quote from: Kiero on February 03, 2022, 08:39:03 AM
Quote from: Fheredin on February 03, 2022, 08:28:34 AM
The real elephant in the room is the deaths in working age individuals. This group is not usually at great risk from COVID, and yet their death figures are WAY up in 2021. https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html

Caused by the jabs.
That seems extraordinarily unlikely. The rise of deaths overall can be easily explained by the psychological and economic effects of covid-19 interventions, like lockdowns, remote learning, and masks. There's been a spectacular jump in teens and adults needing treatment for severe psychological problems.

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Pat on February 03, 2022, 10:35:03 AM
Here's a direct link to the Johns Hopkins study that shows that lockdowns in the US only reduced mortality by 0.2%:
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Note it's from the JH school of economics, not medicine.

Quote from: Kiero on February 03, 2022, 08:39:03 AM
Quote from: Fheredin on February 03, 2022, 08:28:34 AM
The real elephant in the room is the deaths in working age individuals. This group is not usually at great risk from COVID, and yet their death figures are WAY up in 2021. https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html

Caused by the jabs.
That seems extraordinarily unlikely. The rise of deaths overall can be easily explained by the psychological and economic effects of covid-19 interventions, like lockdowns, remote learning, and masks. There's been a spectacular jump in teens and adults needing treatment for severe psychological problems.

Still caused by the government's reaction to the King-Flu, just not that one.
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Quote from: Pat on February 03, 2022, 10:35:03 AM
Quote from: Kiero on February 03, 2022, 08:39:03 AM
Quote from: Fheredin on February 03, 2022, 08:28:34 AM
The real elephant in the room is the deaths in working age individuals. This group is not usually at great risk from COVID, and yet their death figures are WAY up in 2021. https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html

Caused by the jabs.
That seems extraordinarily unlikely. The rise of deaths overall can be easily explained by the psychological and economic effects of covid-19 interventions, like lockdowns, remote learning, and masks. There's been a spectacular jump in teens and adults needing treatment for severe psychological problems.

If the increase were associated with either the covid vaccination or interventions like lockdown, then I would expect to see a greater increase in deaths in states with either higher vaccination rates or interventions. But Fheredin's linked article is about Indiana - which is a Republican-controlled state, and has one of the lowest rates of vaccination among the 50 states, and fewer lockdowns than many.

If the excess deaths were caused by either the vaccination or the interventions, then we'd expect to see much higher increases in states like California that had more lockdowns and higher rates of vaccination. I don't have exact figures, but that doesn't seem to be the case. California has had increases in mortality, but less so than Indiana from what I see here:

https://skylab.cdph.ca.gov/communityBurden/_w_04753eab/xMDA/2020_Excess_Mortality.html

While mortality from other causes has gone up during the pandemic, I see no sign that less vaccination or lack of lockdowns prevents this.

In the wider world, there are comparisons done of all-cause mortality in Norway and Sweden - where Sweden had no lockdowns while Norway did:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34609261/

Kiero

Quote from: Pat on February 03, 2022, 10:35:03 AM
That seems extraordinarily unlikely. The rise of deaths overall can be easily explained by the psychological and economic effects of covid-19 interventions, like lockdowns, remote learning, and masks. There's been a spectacular jump in teens and adults needing treatment for severe psychological problems.

In the UK teen deaths jumped by almost 50% when their jab rollout started. Not in the year before when lockdowns were going on, with the jab rollout.
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Quote from: Kiero on February 03, 2022, 12:45:59 PM
Quote from: Pat on February 03, 2022, 10:35:03 AM
That seems extraordinarily unlikely. The rise of deaths overall can be easily explained by the psychological and economic effects of covid-19 interventions, like lockdowns, remote learning, and masks. There's been a spectacular jump in teens and adults needing treatment for severe psychological problems.

In the UK teen deaths jumped by almost 50% when their jab rollout started. Not in the year before when lockdowns were going on, with the jab rollout.

If we can save just 1 precious 90 year old then all the teen death will have been worth it.
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Quote from: jhkim on February 03, 2022, 12:32:23 PM
Quote from: Pat on February 03, 2022, 10:35:03 AM
Quote from: Kiero on February 03, 2022, 08:39:03 AM
Quote from: Fheredin on February 03, 2022, 08:28:34 AM
The real elephant in the room is the deaths in working age individuals. This group is not usually at great risk from COVID, and yet their death figures are WAY up in 2021. https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html

Caused by the jabs.
That seems extraordinarily unlikely. The rise of deaths overall can be easily explained by the psychological and economic effects of covid-19 interventions, like lockdowns, remote learning, and masks. There's been a spectacular jump in teens and adults needing treatment for severe psychological problems.

If the increase were associated with either the covid vaccination or interventions like lockdown, then I would expect to see a greater increase in deaths in states with either higher vaccination rates or interventions. But Fheredin's linked article is about Indiana - which is a Republican-controlled state, and has one of the lowest rates of vaccination among the 50 states, and fewer lockdowns than many.

If the excess deaths were caused by either the vaccination or the interventions, then we'd expect to see much higher increases in states like California that had more lockdowns and higher rates of vaccination. I don't have exact figures, but that doesn't seem to be the case. California has had increases in mortality, but less so than Indiana from what I see here:

https://skylab.cdph.ca.gov/communityBurden/_w_04753eab/xMDA/2020_Excess_Mortality.html

While mortality from other causes has gone up during the pandemic, I see no sign that less vaccination or lack of lockdowns prevents this.

In the wider world, there are comparisons done of all-cause mortality in Norway and Sweden - where Sweden had no lockdowns while Norway did:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34609261/

Yes and no; that just happens to be where a life insurance expert was willing to talk openly. Consider this analysis of New Zealand (which had very low COVID cases when the vaccines were rolled out, so the author of this paper used New Zealand's isolation to control for COVID's healthcare effects). Peak Prosperity has been one of my go-to scientific article reader reviews because Martenson is a formally educated pathologist and was well over a year ahead of the mainstream on lab leak.



Skip to 12:20 if you want to see the smoking gun graph. Yeah, the vaccines are probably causing some fatal adverse reactions and this is almost certainly being underreported. That said, a 40% increase in annual deaths (in this demographic range) is mind-bogglingly huge. I am skeptical that even the most carelessly designed and rushed vaccine of all time could explain this.

If I had to hazard a guess, I would say that the majority culprit is that the first round of vaccines triggered SARS-CoV-2 to evolve into more transmissible variants. The Delta variant actually predated the vaccines, but it was not a significant variant until after the vaccine rollout because the speed of the infection beat vaccinated responses; the sheer number of Delta cases caused a good number of fatalities. Now with the truly vaccine resistant Omicron, we're seeing a strange retelling of that story, where Omicron infects the vaccinated, but unboosted better than either the boosted or the never-jabbed. Which is more than a bit disturbing.

Direct vaccine injury is probably a second cause, along with delayed medical treatments, lockdown-induced mental health problems, and a not-insignificant number of drug overdoses and suicides.

However, the real conclusion is not that the vaccines killed people, but that the pandemic response policies--lockdowns, masks, vaccines--summed into a fatal miscalculation. I don't know for a fact where that fatal miscalculation was, but the vaccines are definitely the top suspect on a relatively short list.

Kiero

If only there had been people warning that starting a mass jabbination campaign during an active outbreak was a bad idea...
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Non-clinical trial and almost 16 and a half years old from publication.

Ratman_tf

#3820
And now all the assholes are going to start backpedalling and passing the buck.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/white-house-casts-covid-19-lockdowns-as-a-trump-era-relic

Everyone who was pro-mandate, pro-mask, pro-lockdown, 2 weeks after the start of this thing, should be skinned alive and their bones displayed as a warning to future generations.

But we know they'll all dance out of taking responsibility for their hysterical nonsense.
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Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 04, 2022, 11:05:31 PM
And now all the assholes are going to start backpedalling and passing the buck.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/white-house-casts-covid-19-lockdowns-as-a-trump-era-relic

Everyone who was pro-mandate, pro-mask, pro-lockdown, 2 weeks after the start of this thing, should be skinned alive and their bones displayed as a warning to future generations.

But we know they'll all dance out of taking responsibility for their hysterical nonsense.

I would not be opposed to the peasants dragging these shitheads from their places of power and beating them to death in a very public manner. We're already starting to see these vermin turning on each other - Zucker and Cuomo for example.  We just need to see that the likes of Soros, Gates, and the politicians in their pockets suffer the same fate.

Zelen

The past two years are a great example of why weakness is a form of evil.
Unable to actually argue on facts, the engineers of this pandemic desperately tried to censor the truth.
Now that the masses are finally waking up to the truth, the rats can't even own up to their own actions.

A swift death would be too good for them.

oggsmash

Quote from: Zelen on February 05, 2022, 12:08:46 PM
The past two years are a great example of why weakness is a form of evil.
Unable to actually argue on facts, the engineers of this pandemic desperately tried to censor the truth.
Now that the masses are finally waking up to the truth, the rats can't even own up to their own actions.

A swift death would be too good for them.

   There is a reason for generation after generation for thousands of generations, the most reviled things a Man could be, are weak or cowardly.   Notice how the past 40 years or so western civilization has done about all they can (or at least the media/pop culture/social engineers) to make these things no longer the worst things a man can be?  Seems now it is "Toxic Masculinity" which often translates to showing strength and having some balls.   So it should be no surprise IMO that the form of evil you mention seem to have spread quite well.

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You're already seeing this ridiculous attempt to ass-covering in Canada, where several Premiers have announced, in the wake of the Trucker's Revolt, that they will lift the vaccine mandates, lockdowns and mask mandates, etc.

Jason Kenney, the "Conservative" premier of Alberta, made an announcement that sounded incredibly surreal. He was pretending:
a) that he was deeply opposed to the massive draconian mandates in the province of Alberta... the ones that HE and HE ALONE was responsible for instituting and enforcing, up to and including the arrest and imprisonment of pastors and grandmas who tried to object.
b) That he's lifting these regulations because that was always the plan and it has nothing to do with the truckers, but who he supports, in spite of his also trying to arrest them.

Within six months, every single conservative/republican who had gone all-in on Covid tyranny will be pretending that they had been the greatest hero of the resistance
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