Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[RPGPundit]

The real problem with conspiracy websites is that they serve mainly as counter-intel to ridiculize the very legitimate arguments about the abuse of institutions, which didn't cause Covid in some great Shadowy Cabal Master Plan, but who are taking enormous advantage of Covid for their own power-grab, as well as for personal enrichment.

It's being done by almost every government on the planet, by the nonelected bureaucracies of those governments, by establishment corporations and media, by teacher's unions, and yes, by the World Economic Forum. And the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away and much greater centralized control by a power elite. And none of that needs a secret master plan.

I'd agree that in general, people often use extremes to ridiculize legitimate arguments from the other side. However, in this case, the person citing the work in question is Kiero -- who I believe cited it in good faith. HappyDaze just accurately quoted from a source that Kiero himself first referenced -- the filing with the International Criminal Court here:

https://www.docdroid.com/WUjv6iw/icc-complaint-7-1-pdf

This isn't a false association - it's part of the authentic debate between posters here.

As for your position, Pundit... You say that "the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away". I'm trying to clarify what you mean by that. For example, my sister is part of the unelected bureaucracy - she's a deputy director at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Do you think she knows that this is the goal? If you don't think that, then who in the organization would know that is the goal? Basically, how would one go about verifying this?

Is your sister a democrat? Does she support "banning hate speech online"? "Gun control"? "Vaccine Mandates"? "Mask mandates"? "Diversity hiring"? "Mandatory Sensitivity Training"? "White Privilege Seminars"? "Gender Sensitivity training"? Even if she doesn't support one or more of those, has she heard of those things?
The entire hierarchy of public "service" is actively involved with agendas which inherently strip away the fundamental rights to free speech, property/commerce, freedom of conscience, equality under the law, etc.

The SEC specifically is just one of the many many government agencies that have been actively subverted into working as a political branch of the Democratic party. They are actively engaging in biased pursuits of political opponents of the Left:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/sec-targets-conservative-investors-just-as-irs-targeted-tea-party-orgs-shareholder-group-claims

They are specifically directed to try to force both the Environmentalist agenda and "Diversity" quotas on private companies:

https://www.fastcompany.com/90695095/inside-the-brewing-fight-over-the-secs-esg-enforcement

So yes, your sister is either a moron, or she's not just aware, but an ENFORCER of this goal to impose government-forced social engineering and control of private enterprise.

[RPGPundit]

As for your position, Pundit... You say that "the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away". I'm trying to clarify what you mean by that. For example, my sister is part of the unelected bureaucracy - she's a deputy director at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Do you think she knows that this is the goal? If you don't think that, then who in the organization would know that is the goal? Basically, how would one go about verifying this?

No offense to your sister who I am sure is a fine person indeed but the SEC could not even find Bernie Madoff and that is supposed to be their one job.

So what do you think?  Corrupt or Incompetent?  A little of column A and a little of column B?

You think the entire purpose of the SEC was to find Bernie Madoff?

How many corrupt bankers were jailed after the crash of 2008?

The SEC doesn't seem to do much except put barriers in the way of startups.

And to help enforce the "ESG" agenda that has allowed Anti-Western Leftist Communists to infiltrate every level of the corporate world. JhKim's sister is partially responsible for all the shit that Marvel, Disney, Hasbro and countless other companies have been doing which go totally against the normal profit agenda of "don't produce garbage no one but a tiny group of extremists would like & that will alienate your entire customer base".

[RPGPundit]

All very true.  And that's how "good" people become the engine of very bad things...

There's nothing good about what those people are doing. Hannah Arendt came up with the phrase "the banality of evil" after meeting Eichmann during the Nuremberg Trials. She was describing how unremarkable he seemed, and how he never showed any of the stereotypical signs of evil, like sadism, or hate, or anything except a desire to just go about his life and advance his career. You can blame the system, but the system doesn't exist as a separate thing. It's just people, and how they interact, so any evil in the system is entirely and completely the fault of those who work within it. It's just a name for the tools that people use to absolve and distance themselves from evil actions when opposition would inconvenience them.

You're blaming only government employees -- when they are enacting laws that were approved by people via popularly elected leaders.

Politicians come and go, but the Bureaucratic Class is forever. And we've seen a marvelous example in the Trump years of what happens when a popularly elected leader tries to implement policy that the Bureaucratic Class is opposed to.

[RPGPundit]

Case in point: Fauci. He's been in the Bureaucratic Class since forever, he was in charge of the government response to the AIDS epidemic in the 1980s and fucked it up so badly that he could be responsible for at least hundreds of thousands of deaths, yet suffered no consequences for it, and was then put in charge of the COVID pandemic in spite of his atrocious track record. He's the highest paid federal civil servant and if he eventually chooses to retire, he will have the highest retirement salary of any federal employee in history.

[HappyDaze]

So just more of your usual bullshit then.

Not my job to reason you out of a position you didn't reason yourself into in the first place. Hope the collapse of your delusion isn't too painful, when the time comes.

You made the statement that most people acquiring Covid were catching it in hospitals. I asked you for a source. That's hardly a delusion you ignorant fuckwit.

[3catcircus]

Case in point: Fauci. He's been in the Bureaucratic Class since forever, he was in charge of the government response to the AIDS epidemic in the 1980s and fucked it up so badly that he could be responsible for at least hundreds of thousands of deaths, yet suffered no consequences for it, and was then put in charge of the COVID pandemic in spite of his atrocious track record. He's the highest paid federal civil servant and if he eventually chooses to retire, he will have the highest retirement salary of any federal employee in history.

Fauci being considered an expert on viruses as a result of his fucking up the response to the AIDS epidemic is a primary feature of any good bureaucracy - shit always floats to the top.

[jhkim]

And to help enforce the "ESG" agenda that has allowed Anti-Western Leftist Communists to infiltrate every level of the corporate world. JhKim's sister is partially responsible for all the shit that Marvel, Disney, Hasbro and countless other companies have been doing which go totally against the normal profit agenda of "don't produce garbage no one but a tiny group of extremists would like & that will alienate your entire customer base".

I think you're stretching here to place blame. You say "Politicians come and go, but the Bureaucratic Class is forever." -- but while individual politicians may come and go, what remains behind is the law. That's what politicians create.

And under current law, I don't believe that the SEC has the legal authority to force Marvel to make the sort of comics you think they should. So even if you had the power to put all people of the right mindset into every SEC employee position, they still wouldn't be able to dictate the sort of comics that Marvel publishes.

And that's a good thing, in my opinion. While I have many criticisms of our current laws -- if the SEC were forcing publishing companies to make particular content - regardless of the politics - I think that would be massive government overreach.

[KingCheops]

Case in point: Fauci. He's been in the Bureaucratic Class since forever, he was in charge of the government response to the AIDS epidemic in the 1980s and fucked it up so badly that he could be responsible for at least hundreds of thousands of deaths, yet suffered no consequences for it, and was then put in charge of the COVID pandemic in spite of his atrocious track record. He's the highest paid federal civil servant and if he eventually chooses to retire, he will have the highest retirement salary of any federal employee in history.

He was also in charge of the original SARS outbreak and also took heat but no repurcussions from his bungling of that was well.  He's the very definition of th Deep State.

Don't get me started on fucking ESG -- the corporate social credit score.  It is such bullshit.  Oil and mining companies are on the shit list despite being responsible for the well being and advancement of literally billions of people worldwide yet companies that are literally using slave labour and "dirty" energy are given good ratings because the fucking bend the knee to the piece of shit marxists.

[RPGPundit]

And to help enforce the "ESG" agenda that has allowed Anti-Western Leftist Communists to infiltrate every level of the corporate world. JhKim's sister is partially responsible for all the shit that Marvel, Disney, Hasbro and countless other companies have been doing which go totally against the normal profit agenda of "don't produce garbage no one but a tiny group of extremists would like & that will alienate your entire customer base".

I think you're stretching here to place blame. You say "Politicians come and go, but the Bureaucratic Class is forever." -- but while individual politicians may come and go, what remains behind is the law. That's what politicians create.

And under current law, I don't believe that the SEC has the legal authority to force Marvel to make the sort of comics you think they should. So even if you had the power to put all people of the right mindset into every SEC employee position, they still wouldn't be able to dictate the sort of comics that Marvel publishes.

No, but the SEC can now FORCE corporations to have "diversity hires" at the very top of their structure.

[Pat]

And to help enforce the "ESG" agenda that has allowed Anti-Western Leftist Communists to infiltrate every level of the corporate world. JhKim's sister is partially responsible for all the shit that Marvel, Disney, Hasbro and countless other companies have been doing which go totally against the normal profit agenda of "don't produce garbage no one but a tiny group of extremists would like & that will alienate your entire customer base".

I think you're stretching here to place blame. You say "Politicians come and go, but the Bureaucratic Class is forever." -- but while individual politicians may come and go, what remains behind is the law. That's what politicians create.

How many laws do politicians pass?

For each page one of one of those laws, how many pages of regulations are written by life-long bureaucrats, who define in exacting detail how those often-vague laws will be interpreted? How many regulations unrelated to any specific law are given the force of law because Congress delegates that authority to the bureaucratic class?

One of those two categories is absurdly larger than the other.

You seem to have a very grasp of how the government works.

[3catcircus]

And to help enforce the "ESG" agenda that has allowed Anti-Western Leftist Communists to infiltrate every level of the corporate world. JhKim's sister is partially responsible for all the shit that Marvel, Disney, Hasbro and countless other companies have been doing which go totally against the normal profit agenda of "don't produce garbage no one but a tiny group of extremists would like & that will alienate your entire customer base".

I think you're stretching here to place blame. You say "Politicians come and go, but the Bureaucratic Class is forever." -- but while individual politicians may come and go, what remains behind is the law. That's what politicians create.

And under current law, I don't believe that the SEC has the legal authority to force Marvel to make the sort of comics you think they should. So even if you had the power to put all people of the right mindset into every SEC employee position, they still wouldn't be able to dictate the sort of comics that Marvel publishes.

No, but the SEC can now FORCE corporations to have "diversity hires" at the very top of their structure.

The only solution is to not incorporate as a public company to begin with.  Better to remain private and rule your company as a benevolent dictator - iron hand/velvet glove...

[3catcircus]

And to help enforce the "ESG" agenda that has allowed Anti-Western Leftist Communists to infiltrate every level of the corporate world. JhKim's sister is partially responsible for all the shit that Marvel, Disney, Hasbro and countless other companies have been doing which go totally against the normal profit agenda of "don't produce garbage no one but a tiny group of extremists would like & that will alienate your entire customer base".

I think you're stretching here to place blame. You say "Politicians come and go, but the Bureaucratic Class is forever." -- but while individual politicians may come and go, what remains behind is the law. That's what politicians create.

How many laws do politicians pass?

For each page one of one of those laws, how many pages of regulations are written by life-long bureaucrats, who define in exacting detail how those often-vague laws will be interpreted? How many regulations unrelated to any specific law are given the force of law because Congress delegates that authority to the bureaucratic class?

One of those two categories is absurdly larger than the other.

You seem to have a very grasp of how the government works.

We would do well to force elected politicians to write their own bills.  Better yet, force them to divest themselves of *all* staff.  Answer your own phones, read your own mail, etc

[RPGPundit]

HBO did a surprisingly good documentary just recently which shows to perfection to collaboration of massive corruption between Politicians, Bureaucrats and Corporations. It's called "The Crime of the Century" and it's about the opioid epidemic, but it shows you how the same rot is being applied in every other level.

[Shasarak]

As for your position, Pundit... You say that "the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away". I'm trying to clarify what you mean by that. For example, my sister is part of the unelected bureaucracy - she's a deputy director at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Do you think she knows that this is the goal? If you don't think that, then who in the organization would know that is the goal? Basically, how would one go about verifying this?

No offense to your sister who I am sure is a fine person indeed but the SEC could not even find Bernie Madoff and that is supposed to be their one job.

So what do you think?  Corrupt or Incompetent?  A little of column A and a little of column B?

You think the entire purpose of the SEC was to find Bernie Madoff?

Of course not, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is a U.S. government agency created by Congress to regulate the securities markets and protect investors so obviously its job is not to protect investors from histories largest ever Ponzi scheme.

That would be a silly conspiracy theory.

[ThatChrisGuy]

There's nothing good about what those people are doing. Hannah Arendt came up with the phrase "the banality of evil" after meeting Eichmann during the Nuremberg Trials. She was describing how unremarkable he seemed, and how he never showed any of the stereotypical signs of evil, like sadism, or hate, or anything except a desire to just go about his life and advance his career.

Eichmann was a charming and evil bullshit artist, and Arendt bought into his charming bullshit.

I hate that fucking phrase, there's nothing "banal" about the bureaucratic oil that greased the wheels of the Holocaust.