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Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

Started by Zirunel, May 31, 2020, 04:01:23 PM

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DocJones

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 08:18:10 AM
This might offend people's sensibilities less: https://principia-scientific.com/overwhelming-evidence-of-midazolam-murders-by-government-policy/

From the article above:
Quote
Furthermore, the following passages are taken from the Hull & East Riding Prescribing Committee's recommendations for assessing people with suspected COVID symptoms, which were in reality caused by the graphine oxide in the masks, the tests and the vaxxes imposed upon them prior to their diagnosis.

That site is filled with just as much bullshit as any other conspiracy site.


Ghostmaker

Quote from: DocJones on December 28, 2021, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 08:18:10 AM
This might offend people's sensibilities less: https://principia-scientific.com/overwhelming-evidence-of-midazolam-murders-by-government-policy/

From the article above:
Quote
Furthermore, the following passages are taken from the Hull & East Riding Prescribing Committee's recommendations for assessing people with suspected COVID symptoms, which were in reality caused by the graphine oxide in the masks, the tests and the vaxxes imposed upon them prior to their diagnosis.

That site is filled with just as much bullshit as any other conspiracy site.
Again though: why on earth would you prescribe morphine and midazolam for someone with breathing issues?

Ghostmaker

And while I'm at it, your golden calf Fauci just straight up admitted the new quarantine guidelines are politically driven.

https://twitter.com/CNNSitRoom/status/1475614249766559748

But yeah, tell me more about how he's 'Mr. Science'.

jhkim

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 12:10:08 PM
Quote from: DocJones on December 28, 2021, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 08:18:10 AM
This might offend people's sensibilities less: https://principia-scientific.com/overwhelming-evidence-of-midazolam-murders-by-government-policy/

From the article above:
Quote
Furthermore, the following passages are taken from the Hull & East Riding Prescribing Committee's recommendations for assessing people with suspected COVID symptoms, which were in reality caused by the graphine oxide in the masks, the tests and the vaxxes imposed upon them prior to their diagnosis.

That site is filled with just as much bullshit as any other conspiracy site.
Again though: why on earth would you prescribe morphine and midazolam for someone with breathing issues?

As someone with no medical background, I don't know. My question would be: what are the alternatives, and how do they compare in safety? Is your claim that the alternative sedatives are as effective and overall safer compared to midazolam for patients with breathing issues?

As for accusing doctors of murdering using it, I'd be concerned about false read of causation. My understanding is that in general, doctors will prescribe sedatives like morphine and midazolam to patients who are in a lot of pain -- and a lot of pain is also correlated with dying. That doesn't mean the death was caused by the sedative. As a parallel, a lot of patients die in surgery -- it's always risky. But that doesn't mean that surgeons are deliberately killing patients, and not doing surgery won't necessarily result in less deaths. It's that surgery is done when the risks are already high.


As for the Principia Scientifica site, from brief browsing, I don't see anything anti-semitic -- but it is anti-nuclear and was anti-vaccination long before covid. Sample quotes: "Scientists have uncovered a new threat to humanity emerging in the area surrounding the former Fukushima nuclear power plant: indestructible radioactive hybrid terror pigs." and from 2018 "Will the DHHS finally be held accountable for their failure, or will the vaccine industry continue to spread its toxic injections without fear of government scrutiny?"

https://principia-scientific.com/radioactive-hybrid-pigs-taken-over-fukushimas-exclusion-zone/
https://principia-scientific.com/court-us-government-broke-the-law-on-vaccine-safety-for-30-years/
https://principia-scientific.com/u-s-government-defeated-in-vaccine-safety-lawsuit/

DocJones

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 12:10:08 PM
Again though: why on earth would you prescribe morphine and midazolam for someone with breathing issues?

Quote from: Wikipedia entry for MidazolamIntravenous midazolam is indicated for procedural sedation (often in combination with an opioid, such as fentanyl), for preoperative sedation, for the induction of general anesthesia, and for sedation of people who are ventilated in critical care units

I am not a real doctor and I've never been on a ventilator, but I suspect it is very uncomfortable.
I presume it isn't an act of murder. 


HappyDaze

Quote from: DocJones on December 28, 2021, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 12:10:08 PM
Again though: why on earth would you prescribe morphine and midazolam for someone with breathing issues?

Quote from: Wikipedia entry for MidazolamIntravenous midazolam is indicated for procedural sedation (often in combination with an opioid, such as fentanyl), for preoperative sedation, for the induction of general anesthesia, and for sedation of people who are ventilated in critical care units

I am not a real doctor and I've never been on a ventilator, but I suspect it is very uncomfortable.
I presume it isn't an act of murder.
Both sedatives and paralytics are give to patients on ventilators, as without them, the procedure is torturous (trying to fight/breath against the ventilator is a very bad thing).

Shasarak

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 12:10:08 PM
Quote from: DocJones on December 28, 2021, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 08:18:10 AM
This might offend people's sensibilities less: https://principia-scientific.com/overwhelming-evidence-of-midazolam-murders-by-government-policy/

From the article above:
Quote
Furthermore, the following passages are taken from the Hull & East Riding Prescribing Committee's recommendations for assessing people with suspected COVID symptoms, which were in reality caused by the graphine oxide in the masks, the tests and the vaxxes imposed upon them prior to their diagnosis.

That site is filled with just as much bullshit as any other conspiracy site.
Again though: why on earth would you prescribe morphine and midazolam for someone with breathing issues?

Morphine helps people with breathing issues and I presume midazolam is to help them relax so they dont take rapid shallow breaths.

Either that or to help them die in their sleep.
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#3532
Filing with the International Criminal Court at the Hague against the British government and numerous others: https://www.docdroid.com/WUjv6iw/icc-complaint-7-1-pdf

It opens:

QuoteBased  on  the  extensive claims  and  enclosed  documentation, we charge  those responsible for numerous violations of the Nuremberg Code, crimes against humanity, war crimes and crimesof aggression in the United Kingdom, but not limited to individuals in these countries.

They're going after every single element of the coronascam - it's all in there. The Midazolam murders are in paragraphs 69-74  (and specifically in 73 the policy of giving the sick elderly 10 times the recommended dose - which is murder).
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Quote from: Kiero on December 28, 2021, 05:48:49 PM
Filing with the International Criminal Court at the Hague against the British government and numerous others: https://www.docdroid.com/WUjv6iw/icc-complaint-7-1-pdf

It opens:

QuoteBased  on  the  extensive claims  and  enclosed  documentation, we charge  those responsible for numerous violations of the Nuremberg Code, crimes against humanity, war crimes and crimesof aggression in the United Kingdom, but not limited to individuals in these countries.

They're going after every single element of the coronascam - it's all in there. The Midazolam murders are in paragraphs 69-74  (and specifically in 73 the policy of giving the sick elderly 10 times the recommended dose - which is murder).

So your actual conspiracy theory is revealed and it turns out that yes you are a mental. You were challenged about linking to anti-semitic sites and your defence us that it's top of the list in a search that agrees with you, that's not a good sign.

DocJones

Quote from: Kiero on December 28, 2021, 05:48:49 PM
They're going after every single element of the coronascam - it's all in there.

It's not ALL in there.  WHat about the lizard people and CIA.
I don't see David Icke,  Patrick Byrne, Dennis Montgomery in on this.



DocJones

Quote from: Garry G on December 28, 2021, 07:10:00 PM
So your actual conspiracy theory is revealed and it turns out that yes you are a mental. You were challenged about linking to anti-semitic sites and your defence us that it's top of the list in a search that agrees with you, that's not a good sign.
I want to hear about how the vaccine contains graphene oxide nanotubes that are used to build 5G receivers so Bill Gates can make you do what he wants. And also about we're gonna get the jack together and we're gonna have a little house and a couple of acres an' a cow and some pigs and an' live off the fatta the lan.  An' have rabbits. Tell about what we're gonna have in the garden and about the rabbits in the cages and about the rain in the winter and the stove, and how thick the cream is on the milk like you can hardly cut it. Tell about that.

Mistwell

Quote from: Kiero on December 28, 2021, 05:48:49 PM
Filing with the International Criminal Court at the Hague against the British government and numerous others: https://www.docdroid.com/WUjv6iw/icc-complaint-7-1-pdf

It opens:

QuoteBased  on  the  extensive claims  and  enclosed  documentation, we charge  those responsible for numerous violations of the Nuremberg Code, crimes against humanity, war crimes and crimesof aggression in the United Kingdom, but not limited to individuals in these countries.

They're going after every single element of the coronascam - it's all in there. The Midazolam murders are in paragraphs 69-74  (and specifically in 73 the policy of giving the sick elderly 10 times the recommended dose - which is murder).

So, it's insane. Like, off the chart insane.

For example:


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It's being done by almost every government on the planet, by the nonelected bureaucracies of those governments, by establishment corporations and media, by teacher's unions, and yes, by the World Economic Forum. And the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away and much greater centralized control by a power elite. And none of that needs a secret master plan.
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Quote from: RPGPundit on December 30, 2021, 01:28:34 AM
The real problem with conspiracy websites is that they serve mainly as counter-intel to ridiculize the very legitimate arguments about the abuse of institutions, which didn't cause Covid in some great Shadowy Cabal Master Plan, but who are taking enormous advantage of Covid for their own power-grab, as well as for personal enrichment.

It's being done by almost every government on the planet, by the nonelected bureaucracies of those governments, by establishment corporations and media, by teacher's unions, and yes, by the World Economic Forum. And the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away and much greater centralized control by a power elite. And none of that needs a secret master plan.
Yep. But equating the most extreme outliers with everyone on the other side and all their arguments is only a tiny part of the rhetorical games being played, like words being redefined to normalize extreme positions or extremicize normal positions, opposing positions being subtly altered to claim something that's true isn't or something that isn't true is, or the constant repetition of biased generalizations to suggest guilt without making specific claims.