Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Mistwell]

Someone forcing you to work at a company under those regulations?

Actually yes.

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

If there was internet back during the Jim Crow era, I'm sure there would have been posters who sounded exactly like you.

You think requiring a vaccine or a covid test to work at larger corporations is the same as not being allowed to work somewhere or go to school somewhere or drink from the same water fountain as white people or ride on the same bus as white people or eat at the same restaurants as white people because of the color of your skin?

OH. OK. You're a fucking tool Pat. You finally crossed over to full retard. Welcome to Kiero Kountry, dumbass. Don't deny being batshit crazy anymore dude. Your "I'm a reasonable dude" card has been revoked.

It's not exactly the same, but is the closest equivalent.

No. No it's fucking well not. Race is something you are born with. Getting a vaccine or getting tested once a week by spitting in a tube is a choice, not something that is a factor of birth. They are not "closest equivalent" at all. Only people who have gone right off the deep end would equate those two disparate situations.

[Pat]

Someone forcing you to work at a company under those regulations?

Actually yes.

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

If there was internet back during the Jim Crow era, I'm sure there would have been posters who sounded exactly like you.

You think requiring a vaccine or a covid test to work at larger corporations is the same as not being allowed to work somewhere or go to school somewhere or drink from the same water fountain as white people or ride on the same bus as white people or eat at the same restaurants as white people because of the color of your skin?

OH. OK. You're a fucking tool Pat. You finally crossed over to full retard. Welcome to Kiero Kountry, dumbass. Don't deny being batshit crazy anymore dude. Your "I'm a reasonable dude" card has been revoked.

It's not exactly the same, but is the closest equivalent.

No. No it's fucking well not. Race is something you are born with. Getting a vaccine or getting tested once a week by spitting in a tube is a choice, not something that is a factor of birth. They are not "closest equivalent" at all. Only people who have gone right off the deep end would equate those two disparate situations.

Lots of people are born with medical conditions that prevent them from getting the vaccine, and you'll notice that most of the mandates don't have medical exemptions. Other people have religious objections to taking vaccines made with stem cells. And others are hesitant about the long term side effects. And other people just don't like fascism.

I never understood it before, because it seemed so far removed. But this is how fascism spreads, by the quisling self-justifying sophistries of people like you, who take the knee and then try to convince themselves they're being moral.

And it's not spitting in a tube. The PCR tests are an invasive nose swab. Last time I had one, it took over 2 hours waiting in line. That amounts to more than 2-1/2 full work weeks, a year. And the regressives are using twisted logic to argue that it's not mandatory because they could just take the jab, so anyone opting out has to pay for the tests themselves. Which run about $150/each, or $7800/year. Try to explain to a family working hand to mouth how that's not coercion.

[Shasarak]

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

The mandate for "large" 100+ employee companies was literally unveiled today, and in the exact same day the administration is already indicating that it will follow up with a mandate for smaller companies. The divide and conquer strategy is obvious.

Are you really this dense, or do you just really love licking ass of people who don't give a damn about you or anyone else?

Even if the mandate wasn't poised to cover all companies, it is a sophist argument.

Sure, nobody is physically forcing you to work, at either a 100+ or <100 employee company. But it is simply incorrect to ignore that for many people the end result of "you should just get a job at a small company" is great economic harm. So while not a literal application of physical force, it is coercion that will eventually result in physical force being used on you.

No. It is a literal application of physical force.

The statists like to argue that "nobody's forcing you to do X", when it comes to government mandates. They start by saying it's just a rule, they're not kicking down anybody's door are they? Or not yours, at least. Then when you resist, they start to throw penalties your way. Fines, public censure, blacklists like no fly or barring various permissions and privileges, pressure on your employers or other institutions they claim are independent actors even though they're being coerced, and so on. They point out that all these other people going along, why don't you? And then if you keep resisting, they throw up their hands in a melodramatic and figurative way, sigh, and say that you were given all these chances to comply, so you're just being obstinate, and when they finally send armed cops to your door to drag you away, they weren't the aggressor, you were just being unreasonable. It was really your fault.

But that's a complete lie. The apologists and collaborators start with softer means like social and political pressure, try to mask it by indirection, and obfuscate it by trying to put the blame on the victims, but mandates are, simply and plainly, the threat of physical force. And because there is never 100% submission, they are always the application of physical force.

We should never forget, when we impose mandates, that we're inflicting a grave harm on real people. We're taking away their autonomy, their right to decide to what's best for themselves and their loved ones. That's why we should never do it lightly. We should never institute these kind of rules without exploring all other options first, without making them as constrained as narrow as possible, and ensuring they have a clear and quick end.

Full. Blown. Conspiracy. Theorist. Nutter.

Pointing out that government edicts are enforced is a conspiracy theory?

manwut

I often wonder how a person that does not like to argue manages to get into so many arguments.

But probably just bad luck.

[Pat]

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

The mandate for "large" 100+ employee companies was literally unveiled today, and in the exact same day the administration is already indicating that it will follow up with a mandate for smaller companies. The divide and conquer strategy is obvious.

Are you really this dense, or do you just really love licking ass of people who don't give a damn about you or anyone else?

Even if the mandate wasn't poised to cover all companies, it is a sophist argument.

Sure, nobody is physically forcing you to work, at either a 100+ or <100 employee company. But it is simply incorrect to ignore that for many people the end result of "you should just get a job at a small company" is great economic harm. So while not a literal application of physical force, it is coercion that will eventually result in physical force being used on you.

No. It is a literal application of physical force.

The statists like to argue that "nobody's forcing you to do X", when it comes to government mandates. They start by saying it's just a rule, they're not kicking down anybody's door are they? Or not yours, at least. Then when you resist, they start to throw penalties your way. Fines, public censure, blacklists like no fly or barring various permissions and privileges, pressure on your employers or other institutions they claim are independent actors even though they're being coerced, and so on. They point out that all these other people going along, why don't you? And then if you keep resisting, they throw up their hands in a melodramatic and figurative way, sigh, and say that you were given all these chances to comply, so you're just being obstinate, and when they finally send armed cops to your door to drag you away, they weren't the aggressor, you were just being unreasonable. It was really your fault.

But that's a complete lie. The apologists and collaborators start with softer means like social and political pressure, try to mask it by indirection, and obfuscate it by trying to put the blame on the victims, but mandates are, simply and plainly, the threat of physical force. And because there is never 100% submission, they are always the application of physical force.

We should never forget, when we impose mandates, that we're inflicting a grave harm on real people. We're taking away their autonomy, their right to decide to what's best for themselves and their loved ones. That's why we should never do it lightly. We should never institute these kind of rules without exploring all other options first, without making them as constrained as narrow as possible, and ensuring they have a clear and quick end.

Full. Blown. Conspiracy. Theorist. Nutter.

Pointing out that government edicts are enforced is a conspiracy theory?

manwut

I often wonder how a person that does not like to argue manages to get into so many arguments.

But probably just bad luck.

That's not an argument, that's just Mistwell screeching because of hurt fee fees.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

I was talking with some friends of mine yesterday about all of this Covid bullshit, and the tyranny all around our society. Advocates and apologists for the Junta claim "The Virus isn't political!"

Right. It shouldn't be. That means it isn't the fucking government's business toknow or ask whether or not I have been vaccinated. Likewise, it isn't any company's business of whether or not I have gotten vaccinated. The mandates themselves are fucking tyrannical. Period. Go get fucked.

When was the last time anyone in the government or an employer asked me if I was vaccinated for the Flu, for Pnuemonia, for whatever? Right. Never. If YOU want to get vaccinated, good for YOU. That choice is between YOU and your DOCTOR--and NO ONE ELSE. It's no one else's business, and I think it is horribly insulting, rude, and monstrous for anyone to even ask such a thing, let alone *expect me to answer*

Certainly not to expected from relative strangers--the government, people at work, or simply others in society. Obviously, your friends and family might inquire, and that's always been fine.

This whole thing of get vaccinated or get fired? WTF is wrong with you people? You don't see how that is tyrannical and evil? Get vaccinated, or get tested every week! That isn't tyrannical, invasive, and evil? And oppressive?

Like Pat described the costs involved. Fuck you tyrant loving people. The goddamn wormy, apologists, the bootlickers, the fucking Grima Wormtongues.

Ben Shapiro--who, by the way, has gotten vaccinated, as well as his wife, and his parents, generally thinks that getting vaccinated is a good idea. However, he thinks government and company-sponsored manadates is fucking TYRANNY. He also agrees with me. Getting vaccinated should be a individual, personal choice, and is no one else's business, and regardless of what kind of choice YOU choice, their should be no stigma, punishment, or coercion involved.

People are dying because of mandates and masks. MORE are going to be killed. Or beaten. More blood and more pain. You don't like that? SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH. NO VACCINE MANDATES. NO MASK MANDATES. Just think, if all the Grima Wormtongue just dropped the issue entirely, all of the blood and pain and screaming, and fighting, and rage would stop. All of this would be taken out of the public sphere, and returned firmly to the PRIVATE sphere, where it belongs. Yes, people would still die from Covid. So what? People die from the Flu and Pneumonia every year too. That is part of life. Old, sick, weak people die regularly. None of this should be a public crisis. It is fucking lodged into the public sphere because fucking tyrants want POWER. And compliance, and fucking submission.

When Covid has a 98% or 99%survival rate, all of this crisis and mandate bullshit really comes off as absolutely ridiculous. Keep enforcing it, and more people are simply going to crush your fucking had in with a lead pipe or shoot you to death. Over and over and over. More people dying. How does that make sense? If you are worried abut fucking Covid, why don't you just shut up about it and let people deal with it the way they want?

All of this strife, fighting, and division is entirely avoidable and also entirely manufactured. It has been manufactured by the government, by corporations, by Health Agencies, by the Media, and by academics.

This whole fucking tyranny is bullshit and evil. Over a fucking virus that has a 98% or higher survival rate.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[3catcircus]

Greetings!

I was talking with some friends of mine yesterday about all of this Covid bullshit, and the tyranny all around our society. Advocates and apologists for the Junta claim "The Virus isn't political!"

Right. It shouldn't be. That means it isn't the fucking government's business toknow or ask whether or not I have been vaccinated. Likewise, it isn't any company's business of whether or not I have gotten vaccinated. The mandates themselves are fucking tyrannical. Period. Go get fucked.

When was the last time anyone in the government or an employer asked me if I was vaccinated for the Flu, for Pnuemonia, for whatever? Right. Never. If YOU want to get vaccinated, good for YOU. That choice is between YOU and your DOCTOR--and NO ONE ELSE. It's no one else's business, and I think it is horribly insulting, rude, and monstrous for anyone to even ask such a thing, let alone *expect me to answer*

Certainly not to expected from relative strangers--the government, people at work, or simply others in society. Obviously, your friends and family might inquire, and that's always been fine.

This whole thing of get vaccinated or get fired? WTF is wrong with you people? You don't see how that is tyrannical and evil? Get vaccinated, or get tested every week! That isn't tyrannical, invasive, and evil? And oppressive?

Like Pat described the costs involved. Fuck you tyrant loving people. The goddamn wormy, apologists, the bootlickers, the fucking Grima Wormtongues.

Ben Shapiro--who, by the way, has gotten vaccinated, as well as his wife, and his parents, generally thinks that getting vaccinated is a good idea. However, he thinks government and company-sponsored manadates is fucking TYRANNY. He also agrees with me. Getting vaccinated should be a individual, personal choice, and is no one else's business, and regardless of what kind of choice YOU choice, their should be no stigma, punishment, or coercion involved.

People are dying because of mandates and masks. MORE are going to be killed. Or beaten. More blood and more pain. You don't like that? SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH. NO VACCINE MANDATES. NO MASK MANDATES. Just think, if all the Grima Wormtongue just dropped the issue entirely, all of the blood and pain and screaming, and fighting, and rage would stop. All of this would be taken out of the public sphere, and returned firmly to the PRIVATE sphere, where it belongs. Yes, people would still die from Covid. So what? People die from the Flu and Pneumonia every year too. That is part of life. Old, sick, weak people die regularly. None of this should be a public crisis. It is fucking lodged into the public sphere because fucking tyrants want POWER. And compliance, and fucking submission.

When Covid has a 98% or 99%survival rate, all of this crisis and mandate bullshit really comes off as absolutely ridiculous. Keep enforcing it, and more people are simply going to crush your fucking had in with a lead pipe or shoot you to death. Over and over and over. More people dying. How does that make sense? If you are worried abut fucking Covid, why don't you just shut up about it and let people deal with it the way they want?

All of this strife, fighting, and division is entirely avoidable and also entirely manufactured. It has been manufactured by the government, by corporations, by Health Agencies, by the Media, and by academics.

This whole fucking tyranny is bullshit and evil. Over a fucking virus that has a 98% or higher survival rate.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I believe that we are on the cusp of what the founders envisioned as a need to disintegrate existing government and start over.  Actually, I'm betting that they would have done it already if they were still around...

[Garry G]

I do agree that nobody should be forced to get vaccinated. I may think that people should get vaccinated but forcing anybody to have something invasive is wrong.

[DocJones]

The US 5th circuit court has issued an emergency block of the OSHA mandate.
They will decide by Nov. 8th whether to make it a permanent injunction pending the resolution of the
suit filed on Nov. 5th by Texas, Utah, Louisiana, many employers, etc.

[Kiero]

That's not an argument, that's just Mistwell screeching because of hurt fee fees.

Mistwell has bought into the bullshit wholecloth, and is going to feel like an utter tool when he finally realises he's been conned into ruining his immune system for no reason.

[Shrieking Banshee]

I know people that have seriously suffered because of COVID (some died even). I am jabbed, my family is jabbed, and I can support (some) people getting jabbed).

But it is not in any way a conspiracy theory the basic fact that government almost never gives away power willingly.

Coercion is softer force: Its still force.

[Ghostmaker]

That's not an argument, that's just Mistwell screeching because of hurt fee fees.

Mistwell has bought into the bullshit wholecloth, and is going to feel like an utter tool when he finally realises he's been conned into ruining his immune system for no reason.

Even if the vaccine is not dangerous, the precedent set by this bullshit is VERY dangerous.

'My body, my choice'? Dead.

[3catcircus]

That's not an argument, that's just Mistwell screeching because of hurt fee fees.

Mistwell has bought into the bullshit wholecloth, and is going to feel like an utter tool when he finally realises he's been conned into ruining his immune system for no reason.

Even if the vaccine is not dangerous, the precedent set by this bullshit is VERY dangerous.

'My body, my choice'? Dead.

We have way too many activists in government doing things allegedly on behalf of and in support of people who don't want or need their help.

When the people who just want to be left alone (many of whom are combat vets who are intimately familiar with killing) reach their breaking point, there will be rivers of blood and bodies stacked like cordwood.  We already saw the Kenosha hat trick - and that was an untrained teen.  Those mobs of antifa and their ilk would be destroyed against an organized and motivated group - and government won't stand a chance.  Bureaucratic activists would be cowering like rats in a hole.

You tell an army of guys who drive a forklift on double shifts that they have to get an unneeded vaccine or worse, that their zero risk kids need to.  Go ahead.  We're already seeing strikes, walkouts, and lawsuits.  Ayn Rand wasn't correct - John Galt won't be business owners, it'll be the core of their companies.

[Ghostmaker]

That's not an argument, that's just Mistwell screeching because of hurt fee fees.

Mistwell has bought into the bullshit wholecloth, and is going to feel like an utter tool when he finally realises he's been conned into ruining his immune system for no reason.

Even if the vaccine is not dangerous, the precedent set by this bullshit is VERY dangerous.

'My body, my choice'? Dead.

We have way too many activists in government doing things allegedly on behalf of and in support of people who don't want or need their help.

When the people who just want to be left alone (many of whom are combat vets who are intimately familiar with killing) reach their breaking point, there will be rivers of blood and bodies stacked like cordwood.  We already saw the Kenosha hat trick - and that was an untrained teen.  Those mobs of antifa and their ilk would be destroyed against an organized and motivated group - and government won't stand a chance.  Bureaucratic activists would be cowering like rats in a hole.

You tell an army of guys who drive a forklift on double shifts that they have to get an unneeded vaccine or worse, that their zero risk kids need to.  Go ahead.  We're already seeing strikes, walkouts, and lawsuits.  Ayn Rand wasn't correct - John Galt won't be business owners, it'll be the core of their companies.

Someone elsewhere pointed out that the whole mandate not only contradicted part of the original OSHA regs, but it also horrendously contradicts Roe vs Wade. Hence my comments about killing 'my body, my choice'.

You can't have both. Either women (and by extension, people) have that penumbral right to privacy, in which case the mandate is illegitimate; or the mandate is legitimate in which case Roe vs Wade is overturned.

So what's it gonna be, leftards and Branch Covidians? Mandate, or abortions? I look forward to this Sophie's Choice.

[Zelen]

... disintegrate existing government and start over...

Restoration is clearly necessary, but I think it's a huge cope expecting it to come about (esp. through actual conflict).
Most of the people who you would rely on to actually carry out such an act are (1) obese or (2) unwilling to make even basic sacrifices like turning off the NFL or CoD game.

So what's it gonna be, leftards and Branch Covidians? Mandate, or abortions? I look forward to this Sophie's Choice.

Roe v. Wade was a beyond-awful decision that invented garbage reasoning to get whatever the ruling class wanted. The exact same thing will happen here. The only principle that will be followed is that the ruling class will use their power to manipulate & intimidate ass-lickers into supporting whatever agenda they desire.

[Mistwell]

Someone forcing you to work at a company under those regulations?

Actually yes.

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

If there was internet back during the Jim Crow era, I'm sure there would have been posters who sounded exactly like you.

You think requiring a vaccine or a covid test to work at larger corporations is the same as not being allowed to work somewhere or go to school somewhere or drink from the same water fountain as white people or ride on the same bus as white people or eat at the same restaurants as white people because of the color of your skin?

OH. OK. You're a fucking tool Pat. You finally crossed over to full retard. Welcome to Kiero Kountry, dumbass. Don't deny being batshit crazy anymore dude. Your "I'm a reasonable dude" card has been revoked.

It's not exactly the same, but is the closest equivalent.

No. No it's fucking well not. Race is something you are born with. Getting a vaccine or getting tested once a week by spitting in a tube is a choice, not something that is a factor of birth. They are not "closest equivalent" at all. Only people who have gone right off the deep end would equate those two disparate situations.

Lots of people are born with medical conditions that prevent them from getting the vaccine, and you'll notice that most of the mandates don't have medical exemptions. Other people have religious objections to taking vaccines made with stem cells. And others are hesitant about the long term side effects. And other people just don't like fascism.

I never understood it before, because it seemed so far removed. But this is how fascism spreads, by the quisling self-justifying sophistries of people like you, who take the knee and then try to convince themselves they're being moral.

And it's not spitting in a tube. The PCR tests are an invasive nose swab. Last time I had one, it took over 2 hours waiting in line. That amounts to more than 2-1/2 full work weeks, a year. And the regressives are using twisted logic to argue that it's not mandatory because they could just take the jab, so anyone opting out has to pay for the tests themselves. Which run about $150/each, or $7800/year. Try to explain to a family working hand to mouth how that's not coercion.

No dude, it's spitting in a bottle these days for weekly tests. My kid has done it once a week every week since returning to school. So have all of her friends, even in other districts. So has one adult friend of mine working at a company that requires weekly tests. You're just spitting in a tube once a week as you enter. Takes about 30 seconds.

That is not equivalent to being born a certain race. Only a nutcase who cannot tell the difference between degrees of something would equate the two.