Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Pat]

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

The mandate for "large" 100+ employee companies was literally unveiled today, and in the exact same day the administration is already indicating that it will follow up with a mandate for smaller companies. The divide and conquer strategy is obvious.

Are you really this dense, or do you just really love licking ass of people who don't give a damn about you or anyone else?

Even if the mandate wasn't poised to cover all companies, it is a sophist argument.

Sure, nobody is physically forcing you to work, at either a 100+ or <100 employee company. But it is simply incorrect to ignore that for many people the end result of "you should just get a job at a small company" is great economic harm. So while not a literal application of physical force, it is coercion that will eventually result in physical force being used on you.

No. It is a literal application of physical force.

The statists like to argue that "nobody's forcing you to do X", when it comes to government mandates. They start by saying it's just a rule, they're not kicking down anybody's door are they? Or not yours, at least. Then when you resist, they start to throw penalties your way. Fines, public censure, blacklists like no fly or barring various permissions and privileges, pressure on your employers or other institutions they claim are independent actors even though they're being coerced, and so on. They point out that all these other people going along, why don't you? And then if you keep resisting, they throw up their hands in a melodramatic and figurative way, sigh, and say that you were given all these chances to comply, so you're just being obstinate, and when they finally send armed cops to your door to drag you away, they weren't the aggressor, you were just being unreasonable. It was really your fault.

But that's a complete lie. The apologists and collaborators start with softer means like social and political pressure, try to mask it by indirection, and obfuscate it by trying to put the blame on the victims, but mandates are, simply and plainly, the threat of physical force. And because there is never 100% submission, they are always the application of physical force.

We should never forget, when we impose mandates, that we're inflicting a grave harm on real people. We're taking away their autonomy, their right to decide to what's best for themselves and their loved ones. That's why we should never do it lightly. We should never institute these kind of rules without exploring all other options first, without making them as constrained as narrow as possible, and ensuring they have a clear and quick end.

[dkabq]

Some of the small companies are forced to mandate for employees. By virtue of "If you 3rd-subcontractors want to come onto our site, you have to abide by Megacorp Inc. rules".

But nobody is forcing any small companes to work for any Megacorp Inc. Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment. 

[DM_Curt]

Some of the small companies are forced to mandate for employees. By virtue of "If you 3rd-subcontractors want to come onto our site, you have to abide by Megacorp Inc. rules".

But nobody is forcing any small companes to work for any Megacorp Inc. Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

There's only so many of X type jobs, in this case construction engineering, so you make your choice. Vax, or skip contracts.

[dkabq]

Some of the small companies are forced to mandate for employees. By virtue of "If you 3rd-subcontractors want to come onto our site, you have to abide by Megacorp Inc. rules".

But nobody is forcing any small companes to work for any Megacorp Inc. Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

There's only so many of X type jobs, in this case construction engineering, so you make your choice. Vax, or skip contracts.

I agree. I was being snarky. 

[Zelen]

Even if the mandate wasn't poised to cover all companies, it is a sophist argument.

Sure, nobody is physically forcing you to work, at either a 100+ or <100 employee company. But it is simply incorrect to ignore that for many people the end result of "you should just get a job at a small company" is great economic harm. So while not a literal application of physical force, it is coercion that will eventually result in physical force being used on you.

Exactly.

The writing is on the wall and it's clear that the goal is 100% compliance. To put it bluntly, if you're supporting this agenda, you are evil.

[Kiero]

Exactly.

The writing is on the wall and it's clear that the goal is 100% compliance. To put it bluntly, if you're supporting this agenda, you are evil.

Precisely, every measure is a calculated form of coercion to make people get jabbed. It's a little more transparent in this country, where they keep moving the deadline of vaccine mandates every time they meet concerted resistance.

[HappyDaze]

Even if the mandate wasn't poised to cover all companies, it is a sophist argument.

Sure, nobody is physically forcing you to work, at either a 100+ or <100 employee company. But it is simply incorrect to ignore that for many people the end result of "you should just get a job at a small company" is great economic harm. So while not a literal application of physical force, it is coercion that will eventually result in physical force being used on you.

Exactly.

The writing is on the wall and it's clear that the goal is 100% compliance. To put it bluntly, if you're supporting this agenda, you are evil.

I thought only totalitarians called those that disagree with them "evil."

[Pat]

Even if the mandate wasn't poised to cover all companies, it is a sophist argument.

Sure, nobody is physically forcing you to work, at either a 100+ or <100 employee company. But it is simply incorrect to ignore that for many people the end result of "you should just get a job at a small company" is great economic harm. So while not a literal application of physical force, it is coercion that will eventually result in physical force being used on you.

Exactly.

The writing is on the wall and it's clear that the goal is 100% compliance. To put it bluntly, if you're supporting this agenda, you are evil.

I thought only totalitarians called those that disagree with them "evil."

So all the people who called Nazis evil over the last 70 years are the real totalitarians?

That logic seems about as solid as swiss cheese to a neutrino.

[Pat]

China's pulled slightly ahead in the race towards coronatotalitarianism: China Central Television had a lawyer who said that people violating quarantine are endangering public safety, which is a crime that carries the death penalty.

Time to step it up a notch, Australia! Death camps when?

[Mistwell]

Someone forcing you to work at a company under those regulations?

Actually yes.

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

If there was internet back during the Jim Crow era, I'm sure there would have been posters who sounded exactly like you.

You think requiring a vaccine or a covid test to work at larger corporations is the same as not being allowed to work somewhere or go to school somewhere or drink from the same water fountain as white people or ride on the same bus as white people or eat at the same restaurants as white people because of the color of your skin?

OH. OK. You're a fucking tool Pat. You finally crossed over to full retard. Welcome to Kiero Kountry, dumbass. Don't deny being batshit crazy anymore dude. Your "I'm a reasonable dude" card has been revoked.

[Mistwell]

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

The mandate for "large" 100+ employee companies was literally unveiled today, and in the exact same day the administration is already indicating that it will follow up with a mandate for smaller companies. The divide and conquer strategy is obvious.

Are you really this dense, or do you just really love licking ass of people who don't give a damn about you or anyone else?

There isn't going to be a mandate for small companies. And it's a vax OR a weekly test. It's not divide and conquer - it's pretty standard to apply some business regulations to 100+ employee size. That's one of the bigger bright lines for employment regs.

[Mistwell]

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

The mandate for "large" 100+ employee companies was literally unveiled today, and in the exact same day the administration is already indicating that it will follow up with a mandate for smaller companies. The divide and conquer strategy is obvious.

Are you really this dense, or do you just really love licking ass of people who don't give a damn about you or anyone else?

Even if the mandate wasn't poised to cover all companies, it is a sophist argument.

Sure, nobody is physically forcing you to work, at either a 100+ or <100 employee company. But it is simply incorrect to ignore that for many people the end result of "you should just get a job at a small company" is great economic harm. So while not a literal application of physical force, it is coercion that will eventually result in physical force being used on you.

No. It is a literal application of physical force.

The statists like to argue that "nobody's forcing you to do X", when it comes to government mandates. They start by saying it's just a rule, they're not kicking down anybody's door are they? Or not yours, at least. Then when you resist, they start to throw penalties your way. Fines, public censure, blacklists like no fly or barring various permissions and privileges, pressure on your employers or other institutions they claim are independent actors even though they're being coerced, and so on. They point out that all these other people going along, why don't you? And then if you keep resisting, they throw up their hands in a melodramatic and figurative way, sigh, and say that you were given all these chances to comply, so you're just being obstinate, and when they finally send armed cops to your door to drag you away, they weren't the aggressor, you were just being unreasonable. It was really your fault.

But that's a complete lie. The apologists and collaborators start with softer means like social and political pressure, try to mask it by indirection, and obfuscate it by trying to put the blame on the victims, but mandates are, simply and plainly, the threat of physical force. And because there is never 100% submission, they are always the application of physical force.

We should never forget, when we impose mandates, that we're inflicting a grave harm on real people. We're taking away their autonomy, their right to decide to what's best for themselves and their loved ones. That's why we should never do it lightly. We should never institute these kind of rules without exploring all other options first, without making them as constrained as narrow as possible, and ensuring they have a clear and quick end.

Full. Blown. Conspiracy. Theorist. Nutter.

[Mistwell]

Some of the small companies are forced to mandate for employees. By virtue of "If you 3rd-subcontractors want to come onto our site, you have to abide by Megacorp Inc. rules".

But nobody is forcing any small companes to work for any Megacorp Inc. Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

There's only so many of X type jobs, in this case construction engineering, so you make your choice. Vax, or skip contracts.

Or spit in a jar once a week.

[Pat]

Someone forcing you to work at a company under those regulations?

Actually yes.

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

If there was internet back during the Jim Crow era, I'm sure there would have been posters who sounded exactly like you.

You think requiring a vaccine or a covid test to work at larger corporations is the same as not being allowed to work somewhere or go to school somewhere or drink from the same water fountain as white people or ride on the same bus as white people or eat at the same restaurants as white people because of the color of your skin?

OH. OK. You're a fucking tool Pat. You finally crossed over to full retard. Welcome to Kiero Kountry, dumbass. Don't deny being batshit crazy anymore dude. Your "I'm a reasonable dude" card has been revoked.

It's not exactly the same, but is the closest equivalent.

I was being nice, but you're literally supporting segregating society into classes based on their medical status, and forcing people to reveal their medical information. This is the same type of division used by the fascists to cement their hold on society in the middle of the last century, by targeting undesirables for exclusion. Read Hannah Arendt's On Origins of Totalitarianism. The resemblances are uncanny.

Once again you're being hostile and irrationally lying about me, because your feelings got hurt when I pointed out you never backed up your false claims.

[Pat]

Who is forcing you to work for a specific larger company? Pretty sure that's a violation of the 13th amendment.

More than half the nations jobs are for small companies. You should get one of those.

The mandate for "large" 100+ employee companies was literally unveiled today, and in the exact same day the administration is already indicating that it will follow up with a mandate for smaller companies. The divide and conquer strategy is obvious.

Are you really this dense, or do you just really love licking ass of people who don't give a damn about you or anyone else?

Even if the mandate wasn't poised to cover all companies, it is a sophist argument.

Sure, nobody is physically forcing you to work, at either a 100+ or <100 employee company. But it is simply incorrect to ignore that for many people the end result of "you should just get a job at a small company" is great economic harm. So while not a literal application of physical force, it is coercion that will eventually result in physical force being used on you.

No. It is a literal application of physical force.

The statists like to argue that "nobody's forcing you to do X", when it comes to government mandates. They start by saying it's just a rule, they're not kicking down anybody's door are they? Or not yours, at least. Then when you resist, they start to throw penalties your way. Fines, public censure, blacklists like no fly or barring various permissions and privileges, pressure on your employers or other institutions they claim are independent actors even though they're being coerced, and so on. They point out that all these other people going along, why don't you? And then if you keep resisting, they throw up their hands in a melodramatic and figurative way, sigh, and say that you were given all these chances to comply, so you're just being obstinate, and when they finally send armed cops to your door to drag you away, they weren't the aggressor, you were just being unreasonable. It was really your fault.

But that's a complete lie. The apologists and collaborators start with softer means like social and political pressure, try to mask it by indirection, and obfuscate it by trying to put the blame on the victims, but mandates are, simply and plainly, the threat of physical force. And because there is never 100% submission, they are always the application of physical force.

We should never forget, when we impose mandates, that we're inflicting a grave harm on real people. We're taking away their autonomy, their right to decide to what's best for themselves and their loved ones. That's why we should never do it lightly. We should never institute these kind of rules without exploring all other options first, without making them as constrained as narrow as possible, and ensuring they have a clear and quick end.

Full. Blown. Conspiracy. Theorist. Nutter.

Pointing out that government edicts are enforced is a conspiracy theory?

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