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Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

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Eirikrautha

Quote from: Garry G on October 30, 2021, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on October 27, 2021, 08:18:22 PM
Quote from: Garry G on October 27, 2021, 07:45:13 PM
I'm not as knowledgeable...
You could have stopped there and been equally as accurate.

I'm asking to be educated on the subject but you don't seem able.
It's not my job to educate you.  Isn't that what your side says about race and CRT?

Mistwell

Quote from: Kiero on October 30, 2021, 02:47:43 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 30, 2021, 02:01:55 PM
Some things are done regularly to stay healthy, like dental cleanings... oh, wait...you're British. Never mind then.

I don't have regular injections of anything, thanks. Nor am I on any kind of regular medication. That's what being healthy is, you require no routine medical interventions.

The fact that you think visiting the hygienist is analogous to being injected with something tells me how little sense of proportion you have.

What I do regularly to stay healthy is exercise, every day. And not eat crap. I don't smoke and hardly ever drink alcohol.

You sure do drink an awful lot of Kool Aid though.

Mistwell

Quote from: SHARK on October 30, 2021, 09:40:42 PM
Greetings!

Compliance to what?

Hmmm...

Compliance to Government Tyranny
Compliance to Eicts made by Health Agencies
Compliance to Pharmas
Compliance to Giant Corporations
Compliance to the Media
Compliance to the Academic "Authorities"
Compliance to the OFFICIAL NARRATIVE, pushed and promoted, in concert, by all of the above institutions.

Furthermore, by embracing one act of submission, gradually and progressively leading to a meek and groveling submission to every other demand, policy, or edict, regardless of how such violates federal rights, state rights, or individual human rights. Regardless of how suspicious, confusing, contradictory, or deceptive and otherwise misleading all such policies, suggestions, edicts, and any other kind of state-sponsored or corporate-sponsored tyranny that is served up with patronizing tones of how submission to it all is "For the Greater Good!".

It is all designed and intended to psychologically and socially condition the population into absolute obedience and submission, and an avoidance or refusal to question or challenge the Official Narrative in any way. Questioning the Official Narrative leads to public denouncements and cancellation, firing, de-platforming, and other isolation techniques promoted by the government, or corporations. Anyone questioning the Official Narrative must be, and will be, punished.

There can be no alternative explanations, inquiries, or research allowed that questions, countermands, or contradicts any aspect of the Official Narrative.

And of course, there are millions of drooling, blind sheep out there that support all of these policies and stances promoted by the government and the various agencies, and few of them recognize the inherent traits and dynamics of tyranny and control being promoted against them! They are so thoroughly brainwashed and drooling morons--they become angry and enraged even, that anyone, anywhere, voices concerns, questions, or skepticism towards all of this bullshit. Anyone that doesn't bow down and embrace the Official Narrative must be a "Conspiracy Theorist". Recently, there are government officials suggesting that anyone that questions the Official Narrative should be considered as DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.

Yeah. There's nothing to be concerned about at all in any of this, right?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You're just a parrot for the alt-right narrative with this though Shark. There isn't an ounce of independent thought in what you wrote. I could find a thousand clones of you on the Internet any day of the week, all dancing the same tune. You're a sheep complaining about sheep.

Zelen

#3033
Quote from: Mistwell on October 31, 2021, 01:44:30 PM
You're just a parrot for the alt-right narrative with this though Shark. There isn't an ounce of independent thought in what you wrote. I could find a thousand clones of you on the Internet any day of the week, all dancing the same tune. You're a sheep complaining about sheep.



/believing the literal words out of people's mouths
"You're just a sheep!"

SHARK

Quote from: Zelen on October 31, 2021, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 31, 2021, 01:44:30 PM
You're just a parrot for the alt-right narrative with this though Shark. There isn't an ounce of independent thought in what you wrote. I could find a thousand clones of you on the Internet any day of the week, all dancing the same tune. You're a sheep complaining about sheep.



/believing the literal words out of people's mouths
"You're just a sheep!"

Greetings!

*LAUGHING*

Exactly, Zelen! Brilliant!

Geesus, everything I cited has been inspired and informed by actual statements, policies, edicts, made by officials of the federal government; various state governors--hello, Governor Cuomo (NY) and Governor Newsome (CA); numerous statements and behavior by city mayors and city-council members; the assorted media talking heads and "respected journalists"; various "Medical Experts"--yeah, like Doctor Fauci!; and policies an statements made by corporate CEO's and other company representatives.

It is in the news, every day, every fucking week.

I haven't made anything up. It's all based on what these various sources and authorities have actually said and done.

But somehow, I and anyone that agrees with what I wrote is a sheep?

Fucking amazing.

Great find, too, Zelen! It is shocking what these jackasses and petty tyrants actually believe. But there are lots of sheep that don't want to believe that these people actually say things like that--or they rationalize it, deluding themselves and others, "Well, even if they really did say something awful like that, they didn't mean it the way you think they did!"

Yeah. Lots of sheep in our society are so fucking eager to bend the knee and to be slaves. They resent anyone that resists. Just like I mentioned in an earlier post, as soon as you make some kind of stand--out come the admonitions of you being "ALT RIGHT!" or a "Conspiracy Theorist!" or...as one of our own federal officials in a note sent to the FBI, he described US citizens that oppose Mask Mandates and Vaccines are "Domestic Terrorists". Yeah, I forgot who it was exactly, but it actually happened.

There are so many people in this country that are yearning to be slaves. Likewise, there are certainly also quite a number of people that have a superiority and elitist complex, and see themselves as the rightful "masters" to rule over the unwashed masses. Those scum *love* tyranny and power, and eagerly grasp at seizing more of it for themselves at every opportunity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

Kiero

Quote from: Mistwell on October 31, 2021, 01:38:36 PM
You sure do drink an awful lot of Kool Aid though.

I only drink water, thanks.
Currently running: Tyche\'s Favourites, a historical ACKS campaign set around Massalia in 300BC.

Our podcast site, In Sanity We Trust Productions.

Mistwell

#3036
Quote from: Zelen on October 31, 2021, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 31, 2021, 01:44:30 PM
You're just a parrot for the alt-right narrative with this though Shark. There isn't an ounce of independent thought in what you wrote. I could find a thousand clones of you on the Internet any day of the week, all dancing the same tune. You're a sheep complaining about sheep.



/believing the literal words out of people's mouths
"You're just a sheep!"

Is Michael Tracey someone you trusts on topics like this?

Mistwell

#3037
Quote from: SHARK on October 31, 2021, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Zelen on October 31, 2021, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on October 31, 2021, 01:44:30 PM
You're just a parrot for the alt-right narrative with this though Shark. There isn't an ounce of independent thought in what you wrote. I could find a thousand clones of you on the Internet any day of the week, all dancing the same tune. You're a sheep complaining about sheep.



/believing the literal words out of people's mouths
"You're just a sheep!"

Greetings!

*LAUGHING*

Exactly, Zelen! Brilliant!

Geesus, everything I cited has been inspired and informed by actual statements, policies, edicts, made by officials of the federal government; various state governors--hello, Governor Cuomo (NY) and Governor Newsome (CA); numerous statements and behavior by city mayors and city-council members; the assorted media talking heads and "respected journalists"; various "Medical Experts"--yeah, like Doctor Fauci!; and policies an statements made by corporate CEO's and other company representatives.

It is in the news, every day, every fucking week.

I haven't made anything up. It's all based on what these various sources and authorities have actually said and done.

But somehow, I and anyone that agrees with what I wrote is a sheep?

Fucking amazing.

Great find, too, Zelen! It is shocking what these jackasses and petty tyrants actually believe. But there are lots of sheep that don't want to believe that these people actually say things like that--or they rationalize it, deluding themselves and others, "Well, even if they really did say something awful like that, they didn't mean it the way you think they did!"

Yeah. Lots of sheep in our society are so fucking eager to bend the knee and to be slaves. They resent anyone that resists. Just like I mentioned in an earlier post, as soon as you make some kind of stand--out come the admonitions of you being "ALT RIGHT!" or a "Conspiracy Theorist!" or...as one of our own federal officials in a note sent to the FBI, he described US citizens that oppose Mask Mandates and Vaccines are "Domestic Terrorists". Yeah, I forgot who it was exactly, but it actually happened.

There are so many people in this country that are yearning to be slaves. Likewise, there are certainly also quite a number of people that have a superiority and elitist complex, and see themselves as the rightful "masters" to rule over the unwashed masses. Those scum *love* tyranny and power, and eagerly grasp at seizing more of it for themselves at every opportunity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You're a sheep Shark. You watch a bubble of information which justifies your world view, and then you parrot back the bullshit you see like it's absolute fact and like there are no counter-facts which would cause anyone to doubt your position (just like this Tweet - from a Sanders supporter I believe, IE an actual fucing socialist, who matches your biases on this topic). It's just you spewing the same shit everyone else on the alt-right thinks about these topics. You have not expressed any single doubt about any hardline view on these topics in years now - it's just repetition of what others told you to think about those topics. And then you claim you're an independent thinker because you counter Government bullshit which is also parroting. As if your parroting is somehow superior to their parroting. As if you never once stepping outside your narrative is "better" then them never once stepping outside their narrative, as you both fail to realize you're just two sides of the same coin.

If you were the free thinker you purport to be, you're first questions would have been "is this valid information" and not "this matches my bias so I will praise it without questioning it." You no longer question shit which matches your world view, and you assume everything which doesn't match your world view must be lies. You're a sheep. Or, more akin to a robot. We could program a bot to predict how you'd approach pretty much any political topic these days, because you don't ever question your world view anymore.

Pat

Quote from: Mistwell on November 01, 2021, 01:36:13 PM
You're a sheep Shark. You watch a bubble of information which justifies your world view, and then you parrot back the bullshit you see like it's absolute fact and like there are no counter-facts which would cause anyone to doubt your position (just like this Tweet - from a Sanders supporter I believe, IE an actual fucing socialist, who matches your biases on this topic). It's just you spewing the same shit everyone else on the alt-right thinks about these topics. You have not expressed any single doubt about any hardline view on these topics in years now - it's just repetition of what others told you to think about those topics. And then you claim you're an independent thinker because you counter Government bullshit which is also parroting. As if your parroting is somehow superior to their parroting. As if you never once stepping outside your narrative is "better" then them never once stepping outside their narrative, as you both fail to realize you're just two sides of the same coin.

If you were the free thinker you purport to be, you're first questions would have been "is this valid information" and not "this matches my bias so I will praise it without questioning it." You no longer question shit which matches your world view, and you assume everything which doesn't match your world view must be lies. You're a sheep. Or, more akin to a robot. We could program a bot to predict how you'd approach pretty much any political topic these days, because you don't ever question your world view anymore.
You were saying I'd changed, but that was just projection, wasn't it? It's you who has changed. You no longer address facts or data, you just cast aspersions.

Mistwell

Quote from: Pat on November 01, 2021, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on November 01, 2021, 01:36:13 PM
You're a sheep Shark. You watch a bubble of information which justifies your world view, and then you parrot back the bullshit you see like it's absolute fact and like there are no counter-facts which would cause anyone to doubt your position (just like this Tweet - from a Sanders supporter I believe, IE an actual fucing socialist, who matches your biases on this topic). It's just you spewing the same shit everyone else on the alt-right thinks about these topics. You have not expressed any single doubt about any hardline view on these topics in years now - it's just repetition of what others told you to think about those topics. And then you claim you're an independent thinker because you counter Government bullshit which is also parroting. As if your parroting is somehow superior to their parroting. As if you never once stepping outside your narrative is "better" then them never once stepping outside their narrative, as you both fail to realize you're just two sides of the same coin.

If you were the free thinker you purport to be, you're first questions would have been "is this valid information" and not "this matches my bias so I will praise it without questioning it." You no longer question shit which matches your world view, and you assume everything which doesn't match your world view must be lies. You're a sheep. Or, more akin to a robot. We could program a bot to predict how you'd approach pretty much any political topic these days, because you don't ever question your world view anymore.
You were saying I'd changed, but that was just projection, wasn't it? It's you who has changed. You no longer address facts or data, you just cast aspersions.

I knew you'd hear me on that one about you changing. Or, more likely, the fact multiple unrelated people independently mentioned it to you got to you. Which is good. At least you're listening.

I am of course addressing facts. I like Shark. I've known Shark for many, many years online. I know Shark will listen to my observation (though he won't agree with it) because there is some level of mutual respect there. You don't need to speak for Shark on this - he will do it just fine himself.

SHARK

Quote from: Mistwell on November 01, 2021, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: Pat on November 01, 2021, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on November 01, 2021, 01:36:13 PM
You're a sheep Shark. You watch a bubble of information which justifies your world view, and then you parrot back the bullshit you see like it's absolute fact and like there are no counter-facts which would cause anyone to doubt your position (just like this Tweet - from a Sanders supporter I believe, IE an actual fucing socialist, who matches your biases on this topic). It's just you spewing the same shit everyone else on the alt-right thinks about these topics. You have not expressed any single doubt about any hardline view on these topics in years now - it's just repetition of what others told you to think about those topics. And then you claim you're an independent thinker because you counter Government bullshit which is also parroting. As if your parroting is somehow superior to their parroting. As if you never once stepping outside your narrative is "better" then them never once stepping outside their narrative, as you both fail to realize you're just two sides of the same coin.

If you were the free thinker you purport to be, you're first questions would have been "is this valid information" and not "this matches my bias so I will praise it without questioning it." You no longer question shit which matches your world view, and you assume everything which doesn't match your world view must be lies. You're a sheep. Or, more akin to a robot. We could program a bot to predict how you'd approach pretty much any political topic these days, because you don't ever question your world view anymore.
You were saying I'd changed, but that was just projection, wasn't it? It's you who has changed. You no longer address facts or data, you just cast aspersions.

I knew you'd hear me on that one about you changing. Or, more likely, the fact multiple unrelated people independently mentioned it to you got to you. Which is good. At least you're listening.

I am of course addressing facts. I like Shark. I've known Shark for many, many years online. I know Shark will listen to my observation (though he won't agree with it) because there is some level of mutual respect there. You don't need to speak for Shark on this - he will do it just fine himself.

Greetings!

Baahaa! Baahaa! Hail to the God Emperor! ;D

Mistwell, would you believe that I own--and have often proudly worn--a bright red, proud Trump/MAGA hat?

I also have a "Veterans For TRUMP!" bumper sticker on my Mercedes. ;D

As for the tweet you referenced, no, I didn't specifically research it. I like Zelen, and I trust Zelen. He is the member here who found the tweet and posted it. Or whatever it is. I don't do Twitter, Facebook, Instagrab or whatever the fuck. Is the guy in the quote a Sanders supporter? I don't know. What does that have to do with him talking about his experience? You know, I am not surprised that there are some Liberals that are also flaming the SJW retards. There's is a significant opposition to the SJW's, the government, the Mask Mandates, the Vaccine Mandates, and all of the bullshit being pushed and promoted by the Junta in Washington, DC, and their Grima Wormtongue supporters elsewhere. That opposition isn't just from Conservatives, such as myself, or the fabled and dreaded members of the "Alt-Right!"--there are more centrists, mushy-moderates, Democrats, and a few reasonable Liberals that are also standing in opposition.

Like a ship hold full of rats, I am also not surprised that various members of the cult, other socialists, fucking Communists, and so on, also become opposed to other members of the Rat's nest, and bite them, and seek to trample them. I fully expect vicious hate campaigns, scandals, back-room affairs and fuckery going on--all designed to embarrass and bring down the enemy of the moment, or whatever the current fat rat that is gobbling up the cheese the most. Hell, there are two Democrat Senators--I think that's what they are--that have seemed to make it their life-mission to absolutely fuck Biden and Kamala in the ass, and oppose them at every opportunity. No! NO! NO! They fucking hammer down anything and everything that comes their way, much to the Liberal sheep's REEING!!! REEE!

I told some friends of mine, "Hey, if some Democrats or Liberals choose to wake up to the real problems and threat that this Junta presents to America, and they choose to oppose it and fight, and resist, I say God bless them. We should be grateful and appreciative for every friend that comes to fight shoulder to shoulder in the line, even if they decided to join us late in the fight." They, in turn, admitted that it was refreshing, and good to see. There's a few Liberals and Democrats waking up, and choosing to fight, resist, and speak out. I don't suppose that gains them any friends amongst the Liberal Herd though, but I wish them well. The culture war is not an easy or pleasant fight, but it is none the less necessary, and righteous, as well. We must fight and resist, to preserve America's soul and heritage, passed down to us from our forefathers.

As for the narrative, and questioning it, well, Mistwell, contrary to your assertions that I must now be an "Alt-Right" Sheep!--my own conclusions come from my own seeing the evidence; the video, hearing the audio, seeing the quotes, the televised news conferences, reading what the MAINSTREAM NEWSPAPERS have actually quoted officials, like Cuomo or Newsome; I've heard and seen the quotes from teachers and school board members, the bullshit statements and contradictions from various Hospital people, as well as people like Doctor FAUCI. It's all there, Mistwell. I didn't make any of it up. It isn't like I said to myself, "Well, I need to imagine myself a bunch of contradictions, terrible policies, absolute smugness and arrogance. Yes, I need to make all this shit up in my own head, so I can tell this to others!"

As an example, just recently, the black Surgeon General of the state of Florida said masks were bullshit. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what I think he meant, and he said it pretty clearly.

Did you not see all the videos of Pelosi, Gov. Newsome, Beetlejuice Girl from Chicago, amongst other LIBERAL OFFICIALS attending restaurants and parties and other shit, all while IGNORING MASKS? While they laughed and fucked and played grab-ass? You missed all of that?

That doesn't make you question these people's integrity? Their own truthfulness? That doesn't make you wonder, hmm...if this virus was REALLY a threat, would anyone be acting like that?

Well, obviously, the Virus's actual, real threat then must actually be entirely overblown and exaggerated. In other words, yeah, we are being LIED TO, and FUCKING CONNED, Mistwell.

I will tell you something else. I have some experience with NBC stuff. Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare. I KNOW what some real deadly shit can do, and it's no joke. Break some of that shit out, and you wouldn't see anyone laughing about a fucking thing. People dropping dead left and right in minutes or hours. BOOM. Fucking dead, by the truckload. Whole buildings, offices, schools, everything, wiped the fuck out.

We aren't dealing with a virus that is a real threat to 98% of the population, Mistwell, and that fact seldom seems to be brought up or discussed by any of these government jackasses, or eve the fucking medical officials. Even though it is a KNOWN FACT. That's real scientific evidence for you, Mistwell. Doesn't that GULF between the very real scientific fact, and the hysteria surrounding the virus, and the official narrative concerning it, doesn't that HUGE INCONSISTENCY bother you?

It has bothered me, Mistwell, and I didn't need Rush Limbaugh or Dan Bongino, or Sean Hannity to tell me that it should bother me. I came to that conclusion all on my own, my friend. My knowledge of history has me entirely suspicious of everything the current government Junta has been saying. Just like my knowledge of history, economics, business, and politics, has me deeply suspicious of how the Big Pharma companies act, the HMO's, the gigantic Health Systems, the Giant Tech Companies--I know they are all in bed, fucking each other. I know that they have dinner together, and that their kids get together and fuck. They go to the same schools, the same parties, and play golf together. And they also write checks to each other, and smoke cigars, and wink and nod, and ensure that the table is set just right for themselves and their friends.

That all bothers me, too, Mistwell. I know ths whole set up is corrupt as fuck.

So, yeah, in many ways, some small-town journalist, or a local city councilman, or some local doctor, who stands up and says this, and this, and this, is corrupt bullshit!--yeah, I think they have *at least* as much credibility as someone more official or whatever may have. That isn't saying much, because I don't give anyone from the official narrative much above absolutely zero credibility, so some local guy has considerably more, in my eyes. Maybe I have become also more locally-minded, Mistwell. I no longer live in the big city, in Orange County!--like I used to. I live on the edge of nowhere, now, where most people are *REAL*. My state representative, she lives three blocks over from me. My local police department? A handful of them are my neighbors. They invite me to their yard barbecues, man. My local city councilman? He gets his haircut at the same barber I go to. Another local government official--he is a member of my church. All of these people are trustworthy. Why? Because they are Christians. They believe in the Bible. They believe in GUNS. They believe in traditional America. And they fight, publicly, and stand against Communism, both here locally, and on the national scene, as appropriate. They go on record, put their families on the line, their careers, whatever. They back up what they say with what they believe and how they live, Mistwell. None of them support fucking mask mandates or vaccine mandates, or anti-gun laws, or "Critical Race Theory" or BLM, or any of the bullshit being promoted by the official narrative. All of these local folks around me, Mistwell, they talk themselves about the absolute corruption they see, the lying, the deceit, the back-room fuckery going on. THEY don't trust the official narrative, either. There are parts of it they cooperate with or allow to varying degrees, like getting vaccinated or whatever, but everything is guided by respect for YOU and YOUR RIGHTS. for God, for our Bible, for our Guns, and for our country. The Federal government, the giant corporations, the media? No. They don't have the right to impose tyranny on any of us, Mistwell. They all must be viewed with suspicion. And always, always, Mistwell, we are a free people, armed, and with dignity. We have our rights, and need to bow before no man.

So yeah, I do come to my own conclusions, Mistwell, from my own convictions, and my own values. I base many of my positions on evidence that I have seen and heard with my own eyes and ears.

And you know where I sit. I sit at the right hand of Genghis Khan, and to my right is a Tyrannosaurus Rex. ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

Pat

Quote from: Mistwell on November 01, 2021, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: Pat on November 01, 2021, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on November 01, 2021, 01:36:13 PM
You're a sheep Shark. You watch a bubble of information which justifies your world view, and then you parrot back the bullshit you see like it's absolute fact and like there are no counter-facts which would cause anyone to doubt your position (just like this Tweet - from a Sanders supporter I believe, IE an actual fucing socialist, who matches your biases on this topic). It's just you spewing the same shit everyone else on the alt-right thinks about these topics. You have not expressed any single doubt about any hardline view on these topics in years now - it's just repetition of what others told you to think about those topics. And then you claim you're an independent thinker because you counter Government bullshit which is also parroting. As if your parroting is somehow superior to their parroting. As if you never once stepping outside your narrative is "better" then them never once stepping outside their narrative, as you both fail to realize you're just two sides of the same coin.

If you were the free thinker you purport to be, you're first questions would have been "is this valid information" and not "this matches my bias so I will praise it without questioning it." You no longer question shit which matches your world view, and you assume everything which doesn't match your world view must be lies. You're a sheep. Or, more akin to a robot. We could program a bot to predict how you'd approach pretty much any political topic these days, because you don't ever question your world view anymore.
You were saying I'd changed, but that was just projection, wasn't it? It's you who has changed. You no longer address facts or data, you just cast aspersions.

I knew you'd hear me on that one about you changing. Or, more likely, the fact multiple unrelated people independently mentioned it to you got to you. Which is good. At least you're listening.

I am of course addressing facts. I like Shark. I've known Shark for many, many years online. I know Shark will listen to my observation (though he won't agree with it) because there is some level of mutual respect there. You don't need to speak for Shark on this - he will do it just fine himself.
I'm not speaking to Shark. I'm speaking to you. You've changed.

And no, you're not addressing facts. You're attacking the person and attacking the credibility of sources, without providing a justification.

Pat

Quote from: SHARK on November 01, 2021, 03:44:48 PM
Did you not see all the videos of Pelosi, Gov. Newsome, Beetlejuice Girl from Chicago, amongst other LIBERAL OFFICIALS attending restaurants and parties and other shit, all while IGNORING MASKS? While they laughed and fucked and played grab-ass? You missed all of that?

That doesn't make you question these people's integrity? Their own truthfulness? That doesn't make you wonder, hmm...if this virus was REALLY a threat, would anyone be acting like that?
I don't think that really says anything about what they really believe, about the effectiveness of masks. I think what it really shows it how inconvenient it is to wear a mask all the time, how it impedes social interaction, and that people aren't automatons who perfectly follow arbitrary procedures, and at least not without a shitload of practice and reinforcement.

If it's awkward, or you're distracted, it easy to forget; or to recognize you should put it on, but... maybe a little later. But then you get to talking and secondary things blur as the conversation and the people take all your attention, and suddenly half the night's over. These are the sort of little excuses we all make. Like all the people who know perfectly well that they're supposed to stop at a stop sign, but if there's no one around, they roll right through. Same kind of thing. That kind of behavior is perfectly understandable.

Those examples are all despicable, but it's not for those reasons. They're not despicable because they fail to perfectly follow all the rules. That's just being human. And it's not even because they're the ones who made the rules. Because somebody has to make the rules.

The reason they're despicable is because they're violating one of the most basic principles of human fairness. If we all have to follow some stupid rule, that's fine. And if we slip, whether we're the rulemakers or not, that's understandable. What isn't understandable, and what makes these situations seem so egregiously unfair, is the rules for thee but not for me mentality. They're willing to enforce the rules to the fullest extent for anyone else, but brush it off as nothing when they violate the rules themselves. That's what triggers the sense of outrage. Either everyone should get the same slack, or everyone should be treated equally harshly. One standard. When those who make the rules are exempt, it's a gross violation of our most basic sense of justice.

SHARK

Quote from: Pat on November 01, 2021, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: SHARK on November 01, 2021, 03:44:48 PM
Did you not see all the videos of Pelosi, Gov. Newsome, Beetlejuice Girl from Chicago, amongst other LIBERAL OFFICIALS attending restaurants and parties and other shit, all while IGNORING MASKS? While they laughed and fucked and played grab-ass? You missed all of that?

That doesn't make you question these people's integrity? Their own truthfulness? That doesn't make you wonder, hmm...if this virus was REALLY a threat, would anyone be acting like that?
I don't think that really says anything about what they really believe, about the effectiveness of masks. I think what it really shows it how inconvenient it is to wear a mask all the time, how it impedes social interaction, and that people aren't automatons who perfectly follow arbitrary procedures, and at least not without a shitload of practice and reinforcement.

If it's awkward, or you're distracted, it easy to forget; or to recognize you should put it on, but... maybe a little later. But then you get to talking and secondary things blur as the conversation and the people take all your attention, and suddenly half the night's over. These are the sort of little excuses we all make. Like all the people who know perfectly well that they're supposed to stop at a stop sign, but if there's no one around, they roll right through. Same kind of thing. That kind of behavior is perfectly understandable.

Those examples are all despicable, but it's not for those reasons. They're not despicable because they fail to perfectly follow all the rules. That's just being human. And it's not even because they're the ones who made the rules. Because somebody has to make the rules.

The reason they're despicable is because they're violating one of the most basic principles of human fairness. If we all have to follow some stupid rule, that's fine. And if we slip, whether we're the rulemakers or not, that's understandable. What isn't understandable, and what makes these situations seem so egregiously unfair, is the rules for thee but not for me mentality. They're willing to enforce the rules to the fullest extent for anyone else, but brush it off as nothing when they violate the rules themselves. That's what triggers the sense of outrage. Either everyone should get the same slack, or everyone should be treated equally harshly. One standard. When those who make the rules are exempt, it's a gross violation of our most basic sense of justice.

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I mostly agree with you, Pat. I'm probably a bit more harsh and unforgiving though. In the Marines, true *Leaders* lead by example, with absolute integrity. Platoon Commanders never order you to do anything that they themselves can't also do, or are also doing alongside you. Many things they tell you to do, such as running, whatever, they can do better and faster than you can, or 95% of your brothers.

Gov Newsome and Cuomo made edicts and laws *punishing* and *fining* ordinary citizens that didn't wear the fucking mask. Businesses and churches were fined, closed, or threatened to be closed down if they didn't impose mask wearing and all the other bullshit. How come Cuomo and Newsome and others didn't at least immediately lose their jobs?

Grace Community Church in California led by Pastor John MacArthur told the city of Los Angeles and the state of California to go fuck themselves. Court judges agreed, and the corrupt city bureaucrats had to shut the fuck up and sit down.

Individual business owners, however, I suspect, don't have a dedicated church membership of 25,000 people standing behind their pastor and telling the government to go fuck themselves.

Or the gym in New jersey, how they got fined and shut down by the city government. But gay bathhouses and sex shops? They can stay open just fine! BLM riots? They don't need to social distance or worry about wearing masks!

Yeah, the hypocrisy and lying and bullshit is all over the place from the government, from the health industry, and from the media. It's gross, sickening, and infuriating.

But God damn you for being skeptical of the mask mandates and the vaccine mandates, right? How dare you believe that there is a fuck load of corruption and bullshit going on here with all of this! You must be a "conspiracy theorist!" You embrace MISINFORMATION! ;D

It makes me wonder why many MORE people aren't screaming and standing against all of this tyranny and bullshit.

Yeah, "Rules for thee, but not for me!" is right, Pat. And it is despicable and an injustice.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

Pat

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Quote from: SHARK on November 01, 2021, 04:50:34 PM
Yeah, "Rules for thee, but not for me!" is right, Pat. And it is despicable and an injustice.
It's not new. Remember when the ACA as being passed, and Nancy Pelosi got up and almost spit out "free riders" as an epithet to describe all the people who couldn't afford insurance, implying they were these horrible leeches who were hurting good people like her? And then, when someone suggested that Congress should lead the way by requiring all members get insurance for themselves and their families on the ACA's exchanges, Pelosi shut it down so hard it didn't even make it to committee? Because damn, she didn't want to give up her gold-plated solid platinum studded with diamonds healthcare plan, did she?

And it continues to today. Quite literally, because Pelosi's back in the news for insider trading. Which is apparently only illegal for people in the private sector. If you do trades based on the inside knowledge you get because you're a member of Congress, all you have to do is report it within 45 days. Hell, there's a company that takes advantage of those disclosures, and will send you push notifications of all of Pelosi's trades, so you can hitch yourself to the insider trading train (with a lag, because you're just a peasant hanging onto the cow-catcher while she has an entire first class car to herself). The scandal isn't even the insider trading; it's that they're not even bothering to report it like they required to.

And it's all of them. Fuck, Rand Paul, is guilty. And it's not just Congress, it's also the Fed.

These are despicable human beings. All of them, with no exceptions.