Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[deadDMwalking]

False cause fallacy. Your worst performing states are doing so because so many of their population are overweight.

No. 

You are 100% wrong here.  Setting aside vaccines and government policy, that is NOT how that works. 

He listed the following States, and I've added their rank from most obese (1) to least obese (51). 

California (35)
Colorado (51)
Connecticut (38)
Georgia (17)
Maryland (29)
Michigan (16)
Minnesota (33)
New Mexico (31)
New York (46)
Ohio (14)
Oregon (43)
Tennessee (13)
Utah (40)

None of those states are in the top 10 for obesity, and Colorado rates thinnest (including District of Columbia).  If obesity was driving this, you'd expect to see Mississippi, West Virginia and Alabama driving this.  But they're not even in the data set.

And let's just say that you had this data and it was from the top 10 fattest states.  It still shows a difference between hospitalizations of vaccinated and unvaccinated people.  Unless only skinny people get the vaccine, ANY DIFFERENT YOU SEE should be attributed to the vaccine.  You'd have to be arguing that even within the fattest states, there is a meaningful difference in who chooses to get the vaccine, but only in bizzaro world do people MOST LIKELY TO GET SICK also choose to be LEAST LIKELY TO GET THE VACCINE.  The vaccinated people that show up in this data include OLD PEOPLE (who were first eligible for the vaccine) and IMMUNOCOMPROMISED PEOPLE. 

The people who are unvaccinated are self-selected to be HEALTHIER than the average population - if they were less healthy they wouldn't have trusted in their impressive immune systems to keep them safe.

Turns out, even healthy people with good immune systems are getting hospitalized at an alarming rate. 

But I like the current far-right theory.  Democrats are only telling Republicans to get vaccinated because they KNOW that they won't do it if they're told to by a Democrat.  It's actually a monstrous Democratic plot to ensure they win the next several elections by ensuring that Republican voters die faster - that, combined with favorable democratic trends will turn Wyoming into a Democratic stronghold. 

[Pat]

But I like the current far-right theory.  Democrats are only telling Republicans to get vaccinated because they KNOW that they won't do it if they're told to by a Democrat.  It's actually a monstrous Democratic plot to ensure they win the next several elections by ensuring that Republican voters die faster - that, combined with favorable democratic trends will turn Wyoming into a Democratic stronghold. 

That sounds more like an alt-left theory.

But yes, if you act like a complete asshole while demanding someone else do something, there's a good chance they'll resist what you're trying to shove down their throat. At least that part is accurate.

[Mistwell]

"Oh look, a monkey!" is not a cogent response.

You and I were directly talking about the US which, among other things, uses a different set of vaccines than the UK. We were specifically talking about US ICUs, so it's not like you can pretend you didn't know what topic we were discussing. When you do that, when you blatantly strawman the topic, it shows you know you don't have a legit response to what was said.

The question is why you are so unwilling to talk about difficult concepts like this. Is it you imagine you will lose face if you admit the vaccines in the US are doing some good? If so, honestly nobody gives a crap if you soften your stance on that. It's not like you will be ridiculed for slightly changing your position.

False cause fallacy. Your worst performing states are doing so because so many of their population are overweight.

It wasn't a measure of states. And why would overweight people magically also be the same ones who are unvaccinated?

[Mistwell]

But yes, if you act like a complete asshole while demanding someone else do something, there's a good chance they'll resist what you're trying to shove down your throat. At least that part is accurate.

Agreed. It's why in a lot of places where I see people being aggressive about vaccines, I try to tone them down and point out they're entrenching views and making things worse.

[Shasarak]

But I like the current far-right theory.  Democrats are only telling Republicans to get vaccinated because they KNOW that they won't do it if they're told to by a Democrat.  It's actually a monstrous Democratic plot to ensure they win the next several elections by ensuring that Republican voters die faster - that, combined with favorable democratic trends will turn Wyoming into a Democratic stronghold. 

That sounds more like an alt-left theory.

But yes, if you act like a complete asshole while demanding someone else do something, there's a good chance they'll resist what you're trying to shove down your throat. At least that part is accurate.

That would be a real problem if the Wuhan Corona virus was just a little more lethal.

[Pat]

But yes, if you act like a complete asshole while demanding someone else do something, there's a good chance they'll resist what you're trying to shove down your throat. At least that part is accurate.

Agreed. It's why in a lot of places where I see people being aggressive about vaccines, I try to tone them down and point out they're entrenching views and making things worse.

Sorry about your dad, Mistwell.

[FelixGamingX1]

People still locked down? Lol

[Pat]

People still locked down? Lol

Australia has turned into a giant prison with drop bears.

[Shasarak]

People still locked down? Lol

Australia has turned into a giant prison with drop bears.

[Ratman_tf]

Biden losing Americans' trust on COVID-19

[Ghostmaker]

I mean, how could anyone lose trust in...



...Oh.

[Mistwell]

But yes, if you act like a complete asshole while demanding someone else do something, there's a good chance they'll resist what you're trying to shove down your throat. At least that part is accurate.

Agreed. It's why in a lot of places where I see people being aggressive about vaccines, I try to tone them down and point out they're entrenching views and making things worse.

Sorry about your dad, Mistwell.

Say what now?

[oggsmash]

But yes, if you act like a complete asshole while demanding someone else do something, there's a good chance they'll resist what you're trying to shove down your throat. At least that part is accurate.

Agreed. It's why in a lot of places where I see people being aggressive about vaccines, I try to tone them down and point out they're entrenching views and making things worse.

Sorry about your dad, Mistwell.

Say what now?

   I think when you copied and pasted the lady's story about her father, he may have missed the top line and thought it was a story about your father.

[Mistwell]

But yes, if you act like a complete asshole while demanding someone else do something, there's a good chance they'll resist what you're trying to shove down your throat. At least that part is accurate.

Agreed. It's why in a lot of places where I see people being aggressive about vaccines, I try to tone them down and point out they're entrenching views and making things worse.

Sorry about your dad, Mistwell.

Say what now?

   I think when you copied and pasted the lady's story about her father, he may have missed the top line and thought it was a story about your father.

Ha! Probably right.

[Pat]

So it was just another shitty manipulative story.

Typical.