Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[HappyDaze]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why are you suddenly changing the subject to blood clots...which isn't the same thing we were discussing? Oh right, because you have no response to what we were actually talking about so decided to play the moving target game.

You were saying side effects of the vaccine are transitory. Blood clots are an example of something that isn't transitory.

I was responding to something specific. You changed the topic to something entirely else and then acted like that meant my response was false.

You want to show me how the vaccine is causing widespread bloodclots, be my guest. But as it stands you jumped into the middle of a conversation which wasn't about bloodclots.

So when discussing side effects, certain side effects are off limits? I have a close family member who has spent a month in the hospital after getting the vaccine, then catching coronavirus, then had a heart attack from blood clots whilst in hospital care. He had zero health problems before any of this.

You're going to call this an anecdote though.

If you have any evidence the vaccine causes bloodclots OK let's talk about it. "I heard my cousin got bloodclots after getting both the vaccine and covid and being in the hospital for a month" isn't it though. In fact "laying down in a hospital bed for a month" is a cause of bloodclots so come on now.

Normal people do not get goddamn blood clots after two days in the hospital, you absolute brainlet. And it wasn't my cousin, you piece of maggot ridden shit.

You said family without specifying which so don't get your panties in a bunch of me applying a family member to your silence. Not sure why that would offend you as it doesn't change anything meaningful about your post.

As for "two days" you said "months" in the hospital. But yes, you can get blood clots from 2 days in the hospital if you are laying down and not moving around. You can even get blood clots from a single long airplane flight if you don't move around. From the CDC, "Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs." (they're calling out hospitals for not training well enough to prevent them). One of the three primary types they mention are "Immobility: Confined to a bed or wheelchair for long periods of time due to a hospital stay, injury, or illness." They also say, "Many of these blood clots can be safely prevented; Nearly half of all hospital patients do not receive proper prevention measures."

I have no idea if your family members blood clots were from a vaccine, Covid itself, or the hospital stay. But I do know hospital stays on their own can cause blood clots. As can Covid. Did the doctors say it was the vaccine which caused the clots, or is that you guys assuming it was the vaccine and not the Covid or the hospital stay?

You're on the right track: VTE prophylaxis is a big thing for hospitals, with both pharmaceutical and mechanical measures employed depending on risk. This is done on "normal" people, and despite these measures, some "normal" people still develop VTE (which includes PE, and yes, some of these "normal" people do die from them).

[Kiero]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-and-blood-clotting/covid-19-vaccination-and-blood-clotting

The AZ vaccine in particular has had the blood clot side effect as mentioned in the UK government website above. It's rare but does happen and the risk analysis veers towards a not giving it it to younger people.

There's a lot of shite in this conversation but if we're talking about people's lives it helps to accept stuff that's happened.

"Rare".

[Kiero]

An interesting summary of numerous data points about the covid scam: https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/30-facts-you-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet/

[FelixGamingX1]

Here is another video.

Starting to have serious doubts about goofy stuff at Veritas. So these two are smart enough to engineer vaccines but go out on dinner with reporters, spilling their beans without a single worry of being recorded?

[Kiero]

Starting to have serious doubts about goofy stuff at Veritas. So these two are smart enough to engineer vaccines but go out on dinner with reporters, spilling their beans without a single worry of being recorded?

The manufacturers are all immune from prosecution, what do they care?

[Ghostmaker]

They were already arrogant to start with. Immunity* from prosecution and civil action makes them more so.

* I really hope they got their waivers in something far more binding than a mere government promise.

[DM_Curt]

Starting to have serious doubts about goofy stuff at Veritas. So these two are smart enough to engineer vaccines but go out on dinner with reporters, spilling their beans without a single worry of being recorded?

Smart at one thing doesn't mean smart at everything. Recently met a 40-something who is a smarty-pants with a tech-related college degree, can't change his own tire.

[Mistwell]

I would love for you guys to tell me how Summer Brennan is simply lying about all of this concerning her father. How she is part of some grand liberal conspiracy or something:

Link to Summer Brennan's Twitter Account of Hospital ICUs being Full

When I got Covid in 2020 and spent weeks in the hospital, it was harrowing. But it was nothing compared to what my family is dealing with now—also as a result of Covid.

This is a Covid horror story in which no one actually gets Covid, and it could still happen to anyone.

In August my dad was living independently in rural New Mexico, as he has for years, in a beautiful place with a view of the mountains. He got vaxxed against Covid as soon as it was available, wore masks, and was waiting out the pandemic like the rest of us.

Then, he had a fall.

When I called and he admitted that he was in the hospital, he was more annoyed than anything else. He tripped, he hurt his leg, couldn't go home for a week or so. How irritating. How dumb. He blamed himself. He loved me, hoped I was well, he was fine, etc. That was the last call.

What happened was that while in the hospital, my dad caught viral pneumonia that went unnoticed. The whole state was in lockdown, and every hospital ICU was filling up with unvaccinated Covid patients. There weren't enough resources. The governor begged people to get vaxxed.

My dad was not in the ICU, but in a physical rehab unit of the hospital to help him with his leg. They now say they did not know he had pneumonia at that point. He collapsed on the floor in his room and was left there, unnoticed, for six hours.

When they found him he was blue and had an oxygen level of 50. He did not have Covid. He was taken to the ER and put on a ventilator, but they had to put him in *a storage room* because there physically not enough space due to all the unvaccinated Covid cases.

Twenty-four hours later, he was off the vent and his oxygen levels were restored. My siblings, who live closer, flew in. I spoke to him, and he was out of it but okay. Surely he would get treatment now. We thought that was the worst of it. It was not.

It was later explained to me that this hospital decided to *re-intubate my father* due to a lack of hospital resources. They couldn't manage. He could not see a cardiologist or a pulmonologist, they were all busy. They could not run the needed tests. So they kept him on the vent.

In normal circumstances, they simply would have transferred my dad to a larger hospital. There were several close by. It would have been routine. But due to Covid, it was impossible—so impossible, they thought, that they didn't even tell me he needed to be transferred.

A few days later, while I had thought my dad was improving—I kept being reassured by the nurses when I called—I finally called and got an exhausted, angry nurse who said bluntly: "we are tapped out and because of that your father is going to die. Maybe today. I'm sorry."

I demanded to speak to the doctor and he said more or less the same thing. The state was maxed out. My dad needed a cardiac ICU bed, or at least a cardiologist, and there was nothing for him. There was no hope, and no point even trying. Everywhere was full of the unvaccinated.

Now, there have been other stories like ours in the news over the past month or so. There was the father who was turned away from 43 ICUs and sadly passed away. People were being flown across state lines to try to save them, their families in terror, the health systems in chaos.

My dad's doctor said that New Mexico's ICU bed planning was centralized, so there was no point calling NM hospitals, but I could try ICUs in CO, AZ, TX, UT, CA—even though, he said, they had already tried all those. He would try again. I could call. I think he was humoring me.

The doctor said to "send him any leads" so when I called the hospitals, I said I was calling on his behalf. I never said I was his assistant or medical staff, but they talked to me. They were all maxed out. Nothing they could do.

After about five panicked hours of contacting every hospital, every person I could think of, and screaming my helplessness into the maw of the internet to see if anyone, anyone at all could help us, we finally reached a doctor in an ABQ hospital ICU who agreed to admit my dad.

So that was two weeks ago. If he'd gotten to that ICU even hours later, we would have lost him. They had to perform heroic acts to stabilize him. In a week his pneumonia had been brought under control, and he was starting to heal. They talked about a full recovery. However.

By that point my dad had been on a vent for more than ten days, simply because of a lack of access to care. If you're a med professional, you know why this matters. All signs looked good and so they decided to extubate him. At first he tolerated it, and then...he didn't.

Three days later, they had to intubate my dad for the third time. They said that doing this could result in a permanent disability. He could fully recover, but he also might not ever be independent again.

They gave me the option of "making him comfortable" instead, and you know what that means. But I'm my dad's PoA and he'd been clear that he wanted people to fight for him in a circumstance like this, so I said no. I told them to fight and do whatever they could to save him.

To save my dad, they had to perform a tracheostomy for long-term weaning from the ventilator. That means making a hole in his windpipe. "Like Stephen Hawking," someone said. It might be temporary, it might not. They didn't know if it would save him, but so far at least, it has.

I think of my dad before all this happened, still working, living in his own (rented) home, looking out at the mountains, calling his children in California and in France.

The doctors and nurses say that a full recovery and getting off the trache is possible, but will be hard.

They also say that none of this would have happened if it were not for the fact that so many people remain unvaccinated against Covid. Even in NM, with a decent vaccination rate, the system is overrun.

Please get vaccinated. Wear a mask. You never know how it will affect you.

[Kiero]

They also say that none of this would have happened if it were not for the fact that so many people remain unvaccinated against Covid. Even in NM, with a decent vaccination rate, the system is overrun.

Please get vaccinated. Wear a mask. You never know how it will affect you.

Bullshit, they have no way of knowing that. Evidence from highly vaccinated countries like my own suggest the "vaccine" does nothing at best.

I know exactly how it affected me: barely. So go fuck yourself.

[rgalex]

They also say that none of this would have happened if it were not for the fact that so many people remain unvaccinated against Covid. Even in NM, with a decent vaccination rate, the system is overrun.

Please get vaccinated. Wear a mask. You never know how it will affect you.

No, it's not.  As of last week (so we have a full 7 days of data) the state is at 84% capacity.  There are 77 beds out of a total of 466 still open. Of the ICU beds occupied, only 134 of them are with COVID cases.  The other 256 are non-COVID cases. 

[Mistwell]

They also say that none of this would have happened if it were not for the fact that so many people remain unvaccinated against Covid. Even in NM, with a decent vaccination rate, the system is overrun.

Please get vaccinated. Wear a mask. You never know how it will affect you.

Bullshit, they have no way of knowing that. Evidence from highly vaccinated countries like my own suggest the "vaccine" does nothing at best.

I know exactly how it affected me: barely. So go fuck yourself.

The percentage of unvaccinated people who end up in the hospital compared to the percentage of vaccinated people who end up in the hospital disproves your claim the vaccine does nothing.

It must be hard for you, to ignore facts because they make you uncomfortable. It must seem like a very lonely world for you right now. I am sorry for that.

[Mistwell]

They also say that none of this would have happened if it were not for the fact that so many people remain unvaccinated against Covid. Even in NM, with a decent vaccination rate, the system is overrun.

Please get vaccinated. Wear a mask. You never know how it will affect you.

No, it's not.  As of last week (so we have a full 7 days of data) the state is at 84% capacity.  There are 77 beds out of a total of 466 still open. Of the ICU beds occupied, only 134 of them are with COVID cases.  The other 256 are non-COVID cases.

You think a third of ICU beds being occupied with Covid patients who normally would be occupying zero ICU beds is nothing for capacity issues?

You think Summer is just lying here? I mean, if that's what you're saying then just fucking say it. Are you saying you know better, and you think she is lying?

[Kiero]

The percentage of unvaccinated people who end up in the hospital compared to the percentage of vaccinated people who end up in the hospital disproves your claim the vaccine does nothing.

It must be hard for you, to ignore facts because they make you uncomfortable. It must seem like a very lonely world for you right now. I am sorry for that.

Uh, no, the facts support my position. The majority of people being hospitalised for covid in the UK are double-jabbed. That's even aside from their wheeze of calling anyone who was jabbed within the last 14 days "unvaccinated".

I'm not lonely at all, being a lemming driven along by the herd must be a poor comfort.

[Mistwell]

The percentage of unvaccinated people who end up in the hospital compared to the percentage of vaccinated people who end up in the hospital disproves your claim the vaccine does nothing.

It must be hard for you, to ignore facts because they make you uncomfortable. It must seem like a very lonely world for you right now. I am sorry for that.

Uh, no, the facts support my position. The majority of people being hospitalised for covid in the UK are double-jabbed. That's even aside from their wheeze of calling anyone who was jabbed within the last 14 days "unvaccinated".

I'm not lonely at all, being a lemming driven along by the herd must be a poor comfort.

"Oh look, a monkey!" is not a cogent response.

You and I were directly talking about the US which, among other things, uses a different set of vaccines than the UK. We were specifically talking about US ICUs, so it's not like you can pretend you didn't know what topic we were discussing. When you do that, when you blatantly strawman the topic, it shows you know you don't have a legit response to what was said.

The question is why you are so unwilling to talk about difficult concepts like this. Is it you imagine you will lose face if you admit the vaccines in the US are doing some good? If so, honestly nobody gives a crap if you soften your stance on that. It's not like you will be ridiculed for slightly changing your position.

[Kiero]

"Oh look, a monkey!" is not a cogent response.

You and I were directly talking about the US which, among other things, uses a different set of vaccines than the UK. We were specifically talking about US ICUs, so it's not like you can pretend you didn't know what topic we were discussing. When you do that, when you blatantly strawman the topic, it shows you know you don't have a legit response to what was said.

The question is why you are so unwilling to talk about difficult concepts like this. Is it you imagine you will lose face if you admit the vaccines in the US are doing some good? If so, honestly nobody gives a crap if you soften your stance on that. It's not like you will be ridiculed for slightly changing your position.

False cause fallacy. Your worst performing states are doing so because so many of their population are overweight.