Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Pat]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems?

Oh look, Pat once again lying like a little fucking punk shithead about me, once again

I used to think you were a good guy around here Pat. This is like the third time now you've fabricated something I said.

Knock it the fuck off. If you don't have a legit reply to something I said, lying about what I said is not a reasonable option to distract from that.

So where are these three posts where I fabricated something you said? You just made a broad accusation, without any supporting evidence, or even a vague description. If you can't back it up, then you're lying.

My last post doesn't count, because I fabricated nothing. During the last peak, you were claiming the nation's hospital systems were overwhelmed, when it was only Los Angeles and maybe one other city. This is a consistent pattern for you. You make broad generalizations based on extreme, isolated cases.

And that last sentence is kind of ironic, because you're the one who just stops responding when I provide detail reasoning and numerous sources to counter your claims, and then you just bring up the same old tired claims again much later, as if I never replied. And you're the one who's been been behaving like a miserable shit.

[horsesoldier]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why are you suddenly changing the subject to blood clots...which isn't the same thing we were discussing? Oh right, because you have no response to what we were actually talking about so decided to play the moving target game.

You were saying side effects of the vaccine are transitory. Blood clots are an example of something that isn't transitory.

I was responding to something specific. You changed the topic to something entirely else and then acted like that meant my response was false.

You want to show me how the vaccine is causing widespread bloodclots, be my guest. But as it stands you jumped into the middle of a conversation which wasn't about bloodclots.

So when discussing side effects, certain side effects are off limits? I have a close family member who has spent a month in the hospital after getting the vaccine, then catching coronavirus, then had a heart attack from blood clots whilst in hospital care. He had zero health problems before any of this.

You're going to call this an anecdote though.

[Mistwell]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems?

Oh look, Pat once again lying like a little fucking punk shithead about me, once again

I used to think you were a good guy around here Pat. This is like the third time now you've fabricated something I said.

Knock it the fuck off. If you don't have a legit reply to something I said, lying about what I said is not a reasonable option to distract from that.

You have no credibility complaining about lying, since you have lied about what I have said in the past.  Pot, meet kettle.

Where have I ever lied about what you said?

You claimed that I said something that another poster said, then asserted that I agreed with said poster because I never responded to his post.  Check with the "Mistwell" that  works the morning shifts; he'll remember it...

LOL I was not lying, I mistook you for the other poster (who you agreed with by the way as a matter of course - your positions were the same) and apologized for mistaking you for him. That's not a lie, that's just a mistake mostly due to the fact it was like 5 on 1 that day.  But hey if you need to hear it again, I am sorry for mistaking you for that other poster. It was not intentional, and I will try to be more careful in the future to not mistake you for someone else. I appreciate your avatar by the way, which also helps distinguish you from others at least in that it's memorable and distinct, even when your arguments are not.

[Mistwell]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why are you suddenly changing the subject to blood clots...which isn't the same thing we were discussing? Oh right, because you have no response to what we were actually talking about so decided to play the moving target game.

You were saying side effects of the vaccine are transitory. Blood clots are an example of something that isn't transitory.

I was responding to something specific. You changed the topic to something entirely else and then acted like that meant my response was false.

You want to show me how the vaccine is causing widespread bloodclots, be my guest. But as it stands you jumped into the middle of a conversation which wasn't about bloodclots.

So when discussing side effects, certain side effects are off limits? I have a close family member who has spent a month in the hospital after getting the vaccine, then catching coronavirus, then had a heart attack from blood clots whilst in hospital care. He had zero health problems before any of this.

You're going to call this an anecdote though.

If you have any evidence the vaccine causes bloodclots OK let's talk about it. "I heard my cousin got bloodclots after getting both the vaccine and covid and being in the hospital for a month" isn't it though. In fact "laying down in a hospital bed for a month" is a cause of bloodclots so come on now.

[Mistwell]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems?

Oh look, Pat once again lying like a little fucking punk shithead about me, once again

I used to think you were a good guy around here Pat. This is like the third time now you've fabricated something I said.

Knock it the fuck off. If you don't have a legit reply to something I said, lying about what I said is not a reasonable option to distract from that.

So where are these three posts where I fabricated something you said?

Let's talk about the one you just made, shall we? I am tired of your bullshit, I am calling you out on a lie you just made. I never said what you claimed I said. You took my comment about some relatively few hospitals having their ICUs being full, claimed I said every hospital in the nation's ICUs were full, and that is a lie. If you claim it's not, show me where I said what you claimed I said. Otherwise, stop being a little pussy punk.

My last post doesn't count, because I fabricated nothing. During the last peak, you were claiming the nation's hospital systems were overwhelmed, when it was only Los Angeles and maybe one other city. This is a consistent pattern for you. You make broad generalizations based on extreme, isolated cases.

I never said that. You're just doubling down on your lie. Back it up or shut the fuck up you lying little punk ass bitch. I never said the entire nation's hospital systems were overwhelmed, I always said many, I always was specific to the hot spots, it was never a generalized statement about the nation, and you're lying because I made you uncomfortable with my line of questioning (which we are going to get back to after you fail to back up your lie) and so decided to change the topic to me as a distraction.

It's not going to work. I am going to embarrass you for lying and then we will get right back to the topic and you will be even more stuck than you are right now, which will put your back against the wall and you're going to try to make it about me again because it's what you do when you're desperate and unwilling to confront a difficult topic where you know you might be wrong.

[Pat]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems?

Oh look, Pat once again lying like a little fucking punk shithead about me, once again

I used to think you were a good guy around here Pat. This is like the third time now you've fabricated something I said.

Knock it the fuck off. If you don't have a legit reply to something I said, lying about what I said is not a reasonable option to distract from that.

So where are these three posts where I fabricated something you said?

Let's talk about the one you just made, shall we? I am tired of your bullshit, I am calling you out on a lie you just made. I never said what you claimed I said. You took my comment about some relatively few hospitals having their ICUs being full, claimed I said every hospital in the nation's ICUs were full, and that is a lie. If you claim it's not, show me where I said what you claimed I said. Otherwise, stop being a little pussy punk.

My last post doesn't count, because I fabricated nothing. During the last peak, you were claiming the nation's hospital systems were overwhelmed, when it was only Los Angeles and maybe one other city. This is a consistent pattern for you. You make broad generalizations based on extreme, isolated cases.

I never said that. You're just doubling down on your lie. Back it up or shut the fuck up you lying little punk ass bitch. I never said the entire nation's hospital systems were overwhelmed, I always said many, I always was specific to the hot spots, it was never a generalized statement about the nation, and you're lying because I made you uncomfortable with my line of questioning (which we are going to get back to after you fail to back up your lie) and so decided to change the topic to me as a distraction.

It's not going to work. I am going to embarrass you for lying and then we will get right back to the topic and you will be even more stuck than you are right now, which will put your back against the wall and you're going to try to make it about me again because it's what you do when you're desperate and unwilling to confront a difficult topic where you know you might be wrong.

That's rich, because you're the one who repeatedly changes the topic or drops the issue when I call you out on the bullshit you keep spouting. You just go away for a while, and then come back and post the same nonsense, like your endlessly repeated statement that masks don't prevent you from getting the disease, they prevent you from spreading it to others. Which at best is a triviality and a distraction, because masks have been proven, repeatedly, to have little or no significant effect. The only study of any note that says otherwise is riddled with methodological problems. So by making that claim, you're ignoring the disease's primary method of transmission, which is highly aerosolized particles that ignore masks like they aren't even there. You never even acknowledged those points. You just ignore them, and hope everyone will forget before you post the same thing again.

I stated what happened. I gave specifics. I haven't linked back, because I don't care. If you want to prove me wrong, then the burden of proof is on you. On the other hand, you haven't given any specifics. You've just accused me lying, without any evidence. It's your turn to provide evidence.

[Pat]

If you have any evidence the vaccine causes bloodclots OK let's talk about it. "I heard my cousin got bloodclots after getting both the vaccine and covid and being in the hospital for a month" isn't it though. In fact "laying down in a hospital bed for a month" is a cause of bloodclots so come on now.

Your failure to keep up with the news is nobody's responsibility except your own. Blood clots, along with strokes and pulmonary embolisms, show up repeatedly as adverse events after vaccination, especially with the adenovector vaccines (J&J and AstraZeneca). High profile people affected include a German professional basketball player, an American runner, and a BBC moderator. Italy and other countries have stopped using the adenovector vaccines on younger people, because of this.

[Ghostmaker]

Welcome to Australia. Papieren, bitte.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/09/23/australia_police_goes_door_to_door_are_you_aware_of_any_planned_protests_or_events_coming_up.html

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/australia-covid-news-live-confusing-detail-in-new-nsw-outdoor-pool-freedom/news-story/cf9025e2ccfb935e10c7f54ded7d0a44

This is absolutely ridiculous, not to mention appalling. But hey, any sacrifice that has to be made to stamp out Covid, right comrades?

[horsesoldier]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why are you suddenly changing the subject to blood clots...which isn't the same thing we were discussing? Oh right, because you have no response to what we were actually talking about so decided to play the moving target game.

You were saying side effects of the vaccine are transitory. Blood clots are an example of something that isn't transitory.

I was responding to something specific. You changed the topic to something entirely else and then acted like that meant my response was false.

You want to show me how the vaccine is causing widespread bloodclots, be my guest. But as it stands you jumped into the middle of a conversation which wasn't about bloodclots.

So when discussing side effects, certain side effects are off limits? I have a close family member who has spent a month in the hospital after getting the vaccine, then catching coronavirus, then had a heart attack from blood clots whilst in hospital care. He had zero health problems before any of this.

You're going to call this an anecdote though.

If you have any evidence the vaccine causes bloodclots OK let's talk about it. "I heard my cousin got bloodclots after getting both the vaccine and covid and being in the hospital for a month" isn't it though. In fact "laying down in a hospital bed for a month" is a cause of bloodclots so come on now.

Normal people do not get goddamn blood clots after two days in the hospital, you absolute brainlet. And it wasn't my cousin, you piece of maggot ridden shit.

[HappyDaze]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why are you suddenly changing the subject to blood clots...which isn't the same thing we were discussing? Oh right, because you have no response to what we were actually talking about so decided to play the moving target game.

You were saying side effects of the vaccine are transitory. Blood clots are an example of something that isn't transitory.

I was responding to something specific. You changed the topic to something entirely else and then acted like that meant my response was false.

You want to show me how the vaccine is causing widespread bloodclots, be my guest. But as it stands you jumped into the middle of a conversation which wasn't about bloodclots.

So when discussing side effects, certain side effects are off limits? I have a close family member who has spent a month in the hospital after getting the vaccine, then catching coronavirus, then had a heart attack from blood clots whilst in hospital care. He had zero health problems before any of this.

You're going to call this an anecdote though.

If you have any evidence the vaccine causes bloodclots OK let's talk about it. "I heard my cousin got bloodclots after getting both the vaccine and covid and being in the hospital for a month" isn't it though. In fact "laying down in a hospital bed for a month" is a cause of bloodclots so come on now.

Normal people do not get goddamn blood clots after two days in the hospital, you absolute brainlet. And it wasn't my cousin, you piece of maggot ridden shit.

Please, tell me what kind of people get blood clots after two days in a hospital. I want to hear it in your words.

[Garry G]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-and-blood-clotting/covid-19-vaccination-and-blood-clotting

The AZ vaccine in particular has had the blood clot side effect as mentioned in the UK government website above. It's rare but does happen and the risk analysis veers towards a not giving it it to younger people.

There's a lot of shite in this conversation but if we're talking about people's lives it helps to accept stuff that's happened.

[Snowman0147]

Here is another video.

[Mistwell]

Bloomberg: Covid Cuts Two Years Off the Life Expectancy of U.S. Men

[Mistwell]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-and-blood-clotting/covid-19-vaccination-and-blood-clotting

The AZ vaccine in particular has had the blood clot side effect as mentioned in the UK government website above. It's rare but does happen and the risk analysis veers towards a not giving it it to younger people.

There's a lot of shite in this conversation but if we're talking about people's lives it helps to accept stuff that's happened.

I agree the AZ vaccine (and the China and Russian vaccines) are not so good. Fortunately we don't use any of those here.

[Mistwell]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why are you suddenly changing the subject to blood clots...which isn't the same thing we were discussing? Oh right, because you have no response to what we were actually talking about so decided to play the moving target game.

You were saying side effects of the vaccine are transitory. Blood clots are an example of something that isn't transitory.

I was responding to something specific. You changed the topic to something entirely else and then acted like that meant my response was false.

You want to show me how the vaccine is causing widespread bloodclots, be my guest. But as it stands you jumped into the middle of a conversation which wasn't about bloodclots.

So when discussing side effects, certain side effects are off limits? I have a close family member who has spent a month in the hospital after getting the vaccine, then catching coronavirus, then had a heart attack from blood clots whilst in hospital care. He had zero health problems before any of this.

You're going to call this an anecdote though.

If you have any evidence the vaccine causes bloodclots OK let's talk about it. "I heard my cousin got bloodclots after getting both the vaccine and covid and being in the hospital for a month" isn't it though. In fact "laying down in a hospital bed for a month" is a cause of bloodclots so come on now.

Normal people do not get goddamn blood clots after two days in the hospital, you absolute brainlet. And it wasn't my cousin, you piece of maggot ridden shit.

You said family without specifying which so don't get your panties in a bunch of me applying a family member to your silence. Not sure why that would offend you as it doesn't change anything meaningful about your post.

As for "two days" you said "months" in the hospital. But yes, you can get blood clots from 2 days in the hospital if you are laying down and not moving around. You can even get blood clots from a single long airplane flight if you don't move around. From the CDC, "Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs." (they're calling out hospitals for not training well enough to prevent them). One of the three primary types they mention are "Immobility: Confined to a bed or wheelchair for long periods of time due to a hospital stay, injury, or illness." They also say, "Many of these blood clots can be safely prevented; Nearly half of all hospital patients do not receive proper prevention measures."

I have no idea if your family members blood clots were from a vaccine, Covid itself, or the hospital stay. But I do know hospital stays on their own can cause blood clots. As can Covid. Did the doctors say it was the vaccine which caused the clots, or is that you guys assuming it was the vaccine and not the Covid or the hospital stay?