Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Kiero]

The double-wheeze in this country with the reporting of hospital capacity is that they arbitrarily reduced capacity at the start of the pandemic to facilitate "social distancing" and regularly report only on what's happening in "covid beds". So a hospital which has 8 out of 8 beds full, even with plenty of space elsewhere is reported as "full".

And no they're not creating completely separate, sterile environments with airlocks and the like, they're often just across the hallway from regular intensive care wards.

[Garry G]

The double-wheeze in this country with the reporting of hospital capacity is that they arbitrarily reduced capacity at the start of the pandemic to facilitate "social distancing" and regularly report only on what's happening in "covid beds". So a hospital which has 8 out of 8 beds full, even with plenty of space elsewhere is reported as "full".

And no they're not creating completely separate, sterile environments with airlocks and the like, they're often just across the hallway from regular intensive care wards.

So you don't believe seriously ill people are at risk from covid at all and everybody should just be mixed together in ICU? Some may see the decisions as clinical rather than arbitrary but as you don't can you explain what you think their motives were?

[HappyDaze]

The double-wheeze in this country with the reporting of hospital capacity is that they arbitrarily reduced capacity at the start of the pandemic to facilitate "social distancing" and regularly report only on what's happening in "covid beds". So a hospital which has 8 out of 8 beds full, even with plenty of space elsewhere is reported as "full".

And no they're not creating completely separate, sterile environments with airlocks and the like, they're often just across the hallway from regular intensive care wards.

So you don't believe seriously ill people are at risk from covid at all and everybody should just be mixed together in ICU? Some may see the decisions as clinical rather than arbitrary but as you don't can you explain what you think their motives were?

Every ICU room is single-occupancy, but unfortunately not all are set up with negative pressure capacity nor anterooms for donning/doffing PPE. However, I have noticed that dedicated Covid wards (often PCU level) are rarely set up any better and often crammed Covid patients into double-occupancy rooms. The only thing this did that was positive was to move Covid patients away from non-Covid patients. Unfortunately the set up of many Covid dedicated units actually increased the exposure risk for healthcare workers assigned to them.

The really ugly part of it was the first line of access--the EDs. There it is highly impractical to separate out the Covid patients before they have already been in close proximity of others (other patients and healthcare workers) for > 15 minutes (and often >30 minutes). So they can test everyone as suspected positive, but that then gums up the system terribly, especially for ED patients that need access to imaging bays (x-ray, CT, etc.) and that all goes to shit if you have a stroke alert come in and have to bump access regardless of Covid status.

[Garry G]

The double-wheeze in this country with the reporting of hospital capacity is that they arbitrarily reduced capacity at the start of the pandemic to facilitate "social distancing" and regularly report only on what's happening in "covid beds". So a hospital which has 8 out of 8 beds full, even with plenty of space elsewhere is reported as "full".

And no they're not creating completely separate, sterile environments with airlocks and the like, they're often just across the hallway from regular intensive care wards.

So you don't believe seriously ill people are at risk from covid at all and everybody should just be mixed together in ICU? Some may see the decisions as clinical rather than arbitrary but as you don't can you explain what you think their motives were?

Every ICU room is single-occupancy, but unfortunately not all are set up with negative pressure capacity nor anterooms for donning/doffing PPE. However, I have noticed that dedicated Covid wards (often PCU level) are rarely set up any better and often crammed Covid patients into double-occupancy rooms. The only thing this did that was positive was to move Covid patients away from non-Covid patients. Unfortunately the set up of many Covid dedicated units actually increased the exposure risk for healthcare workers assigned to them.

The really ugly part of it was the first line of access--the EDs. There it is highly impractical to separate out the Covid patients before they have already been in close proximity of others (other patients and healthcare workers) for > 15 minutes (and often >30 minutes). So they can test everyone as suspected positive, but that then gums up the system terribly, especially for ED patients that need access to imaging bays (x-ray, CT, etc.) and that all goes to shit if you have a stroke alert come in and have to bump access regardless of Covid status.

UK ICU wards aren't single occupancy rooms they're wards.

[HappyDaze]

The double-wheeze in this country with the reporting of hospital capacity is that they arbitrarily reduced capacity at the start of the pandemic to facilitate "social distancing" and regularly report only on what's happening in "covid beds". So a hospital which has 8 out of 8 beds full, even with plenty of space elsewhere is reported as "full".

And no they're not creating completely separate, sterile environments with airlocks and the like, they're often just across the hallway from regular intensive care wards.

So you don't believe seriously ill people are at risk from covid at all and everybody should just be mixed together in ICU? Some may see the decisions as clinical rather than arbitrary but as you don't can you explain what you think their motives were?

Every ICU room is single-occupancy, but unfortunately not all are set up with negative pressure capacity nor anterooms for donning/doffing PPE. However, I have noticed that dedicated Covid wards (often PCU level) are rarely set up any better and often crammed Covid patients into double-occupancy rooms. The only thing this did that was positive was to move Covid patients away from non-Covid patients. Unfortunately the set up of many Covid dedicated units actually increased the exposure risk for healthcare workers assigned to them.

The really ugly part of it was the first line of access--the EDs. There it is highly impractical to separate out the Covid patients before they have already been in close proximity of others (other patients and healthcare workers) for > 15 minutes (and often >30 minutes). So they can test everyone as suspected positive, but that then gums up the system terribly, especially for ED patients that need access to imaging bays (x-ray, CT, etc.) and that all goes to shit if you have a stroke alert come in and have to bump access regardless of Covid status.

UK ICU wards aren't single occupancy rooms they're wards.

Savages.

[Pat]

The double-wheeze in this country with the reporting of hospital capacity is that they arbitrarily reduced capacity at the start of the pandemic to facilitate "social distancing" and regularly report only on what's happening in "covid beds". So a hospital which has 8 out of 8 beds full, even with plenty of space elsewhere is reported as "full".

And no they're not creating completely separate, sterile environments with airlocks and the like, they're often just across the hallway from regular intensive care wards.

So you don't believe seriously ill people are at risk from covid at all and everybody should just be mixed together in ICU? Some may see the decisions as clinical rather than arbitrary but as you don't can you explain what you think their motives were?

Every ICU room is single-occupancy, but unfortunately not all are set up with negative pressure capacity nor anterooms for donning/doffing PPE. However, I have noticed that dedicated Covid wards (often PCU level) are rarely set up any better and often crammed Covid patients into double-occupancy rooms. The only thing this did that was positive was to move Covid patients away from non-Covid patients. Unfortunately the set up of many Covid dedicated units actually increased the exposure risk for healthcare workers assigned to them.

The really ugly part of it was the first line of access--the EDs. There it is highly impractical to separate out the Covid patients before they have already been in close proximity of others (other patients and healthcare workers) for > 15 minutes (and often >30 minutes). So they can test everyone as suspected positive, but that then gums up the system terribly, especially for ED patients that need access to imaging bays (x-ray, CT, etc.) and that all goes to shit if you have a stroke alert come in and have to bump access regardless of Covid status.

UK ICU wards aren't single occupancy rooms they're wards.

Savages.

You just insulted their national religion.

[Garry G]

The double-wheeze in this country with the reporting of hospital capacity is that they arbitrarily reduced capacity at the start of the pandemic to facilitate "social distancing" and regularly report only on what's happening in "covid beds". So a hospital which has 8 out of 8 beds full, even with plenty of space elsewhere is reported as "full".

And no they're not creating completely separate, sterile environments with airlocks and the like, they're often just across the hallway from regular intensive care wards.

So you don't believe seriously ill people are at risk from covid at all and everybody should just be mixed together in ICU? Some may see the decisions as clinical rather than arbitrary but as you don't can you explain what you think their motives were?

Every ICU room is single-occupancy, but unfortunately not all are set up with negative pressure capacity nor anterooms for donning/doffing PPE. However, I have noticed that dedicated Covid wards (often PCU level) are rarely set up any better and often crammed Covid patients into double-occupancy rooms. The only thing this did that was positive was to move Covid patients away from non-Covid patients. Unfortunately the set up of many Covid dedicated units actually increased the exposure risk for healthcare workers assigned to them.

The really ugly part of it was the first line of access--the EDs. There it is highly impractical to separate out the Covid patients before they have already been in close proximity of others (other patients and healthcare workers) for > 15 minutes (and often >30 minutes). So they can test everyone as suspected positive, but that then gums up the system terribly, especially for ED patients that need access to imaging bays (x-ray, CT, etc.) and that all goes to shit if you have a stroke alert come in and have to bump access regardless of Covid status.

UK ICU wards aren't single occupancy rooms they're wards.

Savages.

Peasants all mixing together and breathing all over the place.

[HappyDaze]

The double-wheeze in this country with the reporting of hospital capacity is that they arbitrarily reduced capacity at the start of the pandemic to facilitate "social distancing" and regularly report only on what's happening in "covid beds". So a hospital which has 8 out of 8 beds full, even with plenty of space elsewhere is reported as "full".

And no they're not creating completely separate, sterile environments with airlocks and the like, they're often just across the hallway from regular intensive care wards.

So you don't believe seriously ill people are at risk from covid at all and everybody should just be mixed together in ICU? Some may see the decisions as clinical rather than arbitrary but as you don't can you explain what you think their motives were?

Every ICU room is single-occupancy, but unfortunately not all are set up with negative pressure capacity nor anterooms for donning/doffing PPE. However, I have noticed that dedicated Covid wards (often PCU level) are rarely set up any better and often crammed Covid patients into double-occupancy rooms. The only thing this did that was positive was to move Covid patients away from non-Covid patients. Unfortunately the set up of many Covid dedicated units actually increased the exposure risk for healthcare workers assigned to them.

The really ugly part of it was the first line of access--the EDs. There it is highly impractical to separate out the Covid patients before they have already been in close proximity of others (other patients and healthcare workers) for > 15 minutes (and often >30 minutes). So they can test everyone as suspected positive, but that then gums up the system terribly, especially for ED patients that need access to imaging bays (x-ray, CT, etc.) and that all goes to shit if you have a stroke alert come in and have to bump access regardless of Covid status.

UK ICU wards aren't single occupancy rooms they're wards.

Savages.

You just insulted their national religion.

I didn't call it soccer...

[Garry G]

The double-wheeze in this country with the reporting of hospital capacity is that they arbitrarily reduced capacity at the start of the pandemic to facilitate "social distancing" and regularly report only on what's happening in "covid beds". So a hospital which has 8 out of 8 beds full, even with plenty of space elsewhere is reported as "full".

And no they're not creating completely separate, sterile environments with airlocks and the like, they're often just across the hallway from regular intensive care wards.

So you don't believe seriously ill people are at risk from covid at all and everybody should just be mixed together in ICU? Some may see the decisions as clinical rather than arbitrary but as you don't can you explain what you think their motives were?

Every ICU room is single-occupancy, but unfortunately not all are set up with negative pressure capacity nor anterooms for donning/doffing PPE. However, I have noticed that dedicated Covid wards (often PCU level) are rarely set up any better and often crammed Covid patients into double-occupancy rooms. The only thing this did that was positive was to move Covid patients away from non-Covid patients. Unfortunately the set up of many Covid dedicated units actually increased the exposure risk for healthcare workers assigned to them.

The really ugly part of it was the first line of access--the EDs. There it is highly impractical to separate out the Covid patients before they have already been in close proximity of others (other patients and healthcare workers) for > 15 minutes (and often >30 minutes). So they can test everyone as suspected positive, but that then gums up the system terribly, especially for ED patients that need access to imaging bays (x-ray, CT, etc.) and that all goes to shit if you have a stroke alert come in and have to bump access regardless of Covid status.

UK ICU wards aren't single occupancy rooms they're wards.

Savages.

You just insulted their national religion.

As religions go free healthcare at the point of delivery seems pretty good. Less paedo problems than Catholicism although there was the whole Jimmy Saville thing.

[Mistwell]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems?

Oh look, Pat once again lying like a little fucking punk shithead about me, once again

I used to think you were a good guy around here Pat. This is like the third time now you've fabricated something I said.

Knock it the fuck off. If you don't have a legit reply to something I said, lying about what I said is not a reasonable option to distract from that.

[Eirikrautha]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems?

Oh look, Pat once again lying like a little fucking punk shithead about me, once again

I used to think you were a good guy around here Pat. This is like the third time now you've fabricated something I said.

Knock it the fuck off. If you don't have a legit reply to something I said, lying about what I said is not a reasonable option to distract from that.

You have no credibility complaining about lying, since you have lied about what I have said in the past.  Pot, meet kettle.

[Ghostmaker]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems?

Oh look, Pat once again lying like a little fucking punk shithead about me, once again

I used to think you were a good guy around here Pat. This is like the third time now you've fabricated something I said.

Knock it the fuck off. If you don't have a legit reply to something I said, lying about what I said is not a reasonable option to distract from that.

You have no credibility complaining about lying, since you have lied about what I have said in the past.  Pot, meet kettle.

Just block him. He's not worth your time and energy.

I unblocked a number of the 'tards to see what kind of reactions were coming out around the time Biden shit his pants (metaphorically, though you never know) over Afghanistan. It's clear I didn't miss anything.

[Mistwell]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems?

Oh look, Pat once again lying like a little fucking punk shithead about me, once again

I used to think you were a good guy around here Pat. This is like the third time now you've fabricated something I said.

Knock it the fuck off. If you don't have a legit reply to something I said, lying about what I said is not a reasonable option to distract from that.

You have no credibility complaining about lying, since you have lied about what I have said in the past.  Pot, meet kettle.

Where have I ever lied about what you said?

[Mistwell]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems?

Oh look, Pat once again lying like a little fucking punk shithead about me, once again

I used to think you were a good guy around here Pat. This is like the third time now you've fabricated something I said.

Knock it the fuck off. If you don't have a legit reply to something I said, lying about what I said is not a reasonable option to distract from that.

You have no credibility complaining about lying, since you have lied about what I have said in the past.  Pot, meet kettle.

Just block him. He's not worth your time and energy.

I unblocked a number of the 'tards to see what kind of reactions were coming out around the time Biden shit his pants (metaphorically, though you never know) over Afghanistan. It's clear I didn't miss anything.

LOL you reply to me all the time.

[Eirikrautha]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems?

Oh look, Pat once again lying like a little fucking punk shithead about me, once again

I used to think you were a good guy around here Pat. This is like the third time now you've fabricated something I said.

Knock it the fuck off. If you don't have a legit reply to something I said, lying about what I said is not a reasonable option to distract from that.

You have no credibility complaining about lying, since you have lied about what I have said in the past.  Pot, meet kettle.

Where have I ever lied about what you said?

You claimed that I said something that another poster said, then asserted that I agreed with said poster because I never responded to his post.  Check with the "Mistwell" that  works the morning shifts; he'll remember it...