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Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

Started by Zirunel, May 31, 2020, 04:01:23 PM

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deathknight4044

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 22, 2021, 08:59:55 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on September 22, 2021, 07:11:37 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 21, 2021, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2021, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on September 21, 2021, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2021, 02:40:38 PM
Kill me.

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/family-guy-covid-video-1235070231/

What is your objection to that video?

The idea that entertainment personalities and cartoon dogs are dispensing medical advice and information.

The problem isn't that people don't understand how vaccines work. The problem is the government and media have intentionally lied and misled the public on the topic.

Seth MacFarlane should stick to rape jokes. Giggity.
I can see what you mean about objecting to entertainers putting in their views on health issues, whether that entertainer is Seth MacFarlane or Tucker Carlson.

Tucker Carlson isn't an entertainer, he's a journalist. For entertainment I'll go to CNN.
That's not what FOX itself says about him. They specifically call him an entertainer, and that no reasonable person should take what he says seriously.

Lol Rachel Maddow made the same case. You guys need to update your talking points its not the zinger you seem to think is.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-court-ruled-rachel-maddows-viewers

QuoteIn sum, ruled the court, Rachel Maddow is among those "speakers whose statements cannot reasonably be interpreted as allegations of fact." Despite Maddow's use of the word "literally" to accuse OAN of being a "paid Russian propaganda" outlet, the court dismissed the lawsuit on the ground that, given Maddow's conduct and her audience's awareness of who she is and what she does, "the Court finds that the contested statement is an opinion that cannot serve as the basis for a defamation claim."

HappyDaze

Quote from: deathknight4044 on September 22, 2021, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 22, 2021, 08:59:55 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on September 22, 2021, 07:11:37 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 21, 2021, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2021, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on September 21, 2021, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2021, 02:40:38 PM
Kill me.

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/family-guy-covid-video-1235070231/

What is your objection to that video?

The idea that entertainment personalities and cartoon dogs are dispensing medical advice and information.

The problem isn't that people don't understand how vaccines work. The problem is the government and media have intentionally lied and misled the public on the topic.

Seth MacFarlane should stick to rape jokes. Giggity.
I can see what you mean about objecting to entertainers putting in their views on health issues, whether that entertainer is Seth MacFarlane or Tucker Carlson.

Tucker Carlson isn't an entertainer, he's a journalist. For entertainment I'll go to CNN.
That's not what FOX itself says about him. They specifically call him an entertainer, and that no reasonable person should take what he says seriously.

Lol Rachel Maddow made the same case. You guys need to update your talking points its not the zinger you seem to think is.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-court-ruled-rachel-maddows-viewers

QuoteIn sum, ruled the court, Rachel Maddow is among those "speakers whose statements cannot reasonably be interpreted as allegations of fact." Despite Maddow's use of the word "literally" to accuse OAN of being a "paid Russian propaganda" outlet, the court dismissed the lawsuit on the ground that, given Maddow's conduct and her audience's awareness of who she is and what she does, "the Court finds that the contested statement is an opinion that cannot serve as the basis for a defamation claim."
I'm not using it as a zinger and I havent argued that Maddow is any different from Carlson. Neither of them should be considered any more seriously than McFarland cartoons.

deathknight4044

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 22, 2021, 09:34:00 AM
Quote from: deathknight4044 on September 22, 2021, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 22, 2021, 08:59:55 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on September 22, 2021, 07:11:37 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 21, 2021, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2021, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on September 21, 2021, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2021, 02:40:38 PM
Kill me.

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/family-guy-covid-video-1235070231/

What is your objection to that video?

The idea that entertainment personalities and cartoon dogs are dispensing medical advice and information.

The problem isn't that people don't understand how vaccines work. The problem is the government and media have intentionally lied and misled the public on the topic.

Seth MacFarlane should stick to rape jokes. Giggity.
I can see what you mean about objecting to entertainers putting in their views on health issues, whether that entertainer is Seth MacFarlane or Tucker Carlson.

Tucker Carlson isn't an entertainer, he's a journalist. For entertainment I'll go to CNN.
That's not what FOX itself says about him. They specifically call him an entertainer, and that no reasonable person should take what he says seriously.

Lol Rachel Maddow made the same case. You guys need to update your talking points its not the zinger you seem to think is.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-court-ruled-rachel-maddows-viewers

QuoteIn sum, ruled the court, Rachel Maddow is among those "speakers whose statements cannot reasonably be interpreted as allegations of fact." Despite Maddow's use of the word "literally" to accuse OAN of being a "paid Russian propaganda" outlet, the court dismissed the lawsuit on the ground that, given Maddow's conduct and her audience's awareness of who she is and what she does, "the Court finds that the contested statement is an opinion that cannot serve as the basis for a defamation claim."
I'm not using it as a zinger and I havent argued that Maddow is any different from Carlson. Neither of them should be considered any more seriously than McFarland cartoons.

It's a boomer take to have an expectation of objectivity from any of these TV personalities. Tucker is no different than Don Lemon or Brian Stelter, but at least has the decency not to masquerade as being impartial.

As for you not believing it's a zinger, you might not have intended it as such but you're certainly parroting the talking point from people who think it is.

Zelen

Study indicates rate of 1 / 1000 chance of developing Myocarditis after each injection: Link

Mistwell

Quote from: Zelen on September 22, 2021, 01:31:19 PM
Study indicates rate of 1 / 1000 chance of developing Myocarditis after each injection: Link

So 32 people total, "Symptoms settled quickly with standard therapy and patients were discharged within a few days. No major adverse cardiac events and no significant arrythmias were noted during inpatient stay." OK then.

HappyDaze

Quote from: Mistwell on September 22, 2021, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Zelen on September 22, 2021, 01:31:19 PM
Study indicates rate of 1 / 1000 chance of developing Myocarditis after each injection: Link

So 32 people total, "Symptoms settled quickly with standard therapy and patients were discharged within a few days. No major adverse cardiac events and no significant arrythmias were noted during inpatient stay." OK then.
Yeah, the "in-hospital course" section tells the story in terms that anyone with any clinical knowledge can clearly see are generally unremarkable.

dkabq

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 22, 2021, 08:59:55 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on September 22, 2021, 07:11:37 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 21, 2021, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2021, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on September 21, 2021, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2021, 02:40:38 PM
Kill me.

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/family-guy-covid-video-1235070231/

What is your objection to that video?

The idea that entertainment personalities and cartoon dogs are dispensing medical advice and information.

The problem isn't that people don't understand how vaccines work. The problem is the government and media have intentionally lied and misled the public on the topic.

Seth MacFarlane should stick to rape jokes. Giggity.
I can see what you mean about objecting to entertainers putting in their views on health issues, whether that entertainer is Seth MacFarlane or Tucker Carlson.

Tucker Carlson isn't an entertainer, he's a journalist. For entertainment I'll go to CNN.
That's not what FOX itself says about him. They specifically call him an entertainer, and that no reasonable person should take what he says seriously.

True fact. Both him and Rachel Maddow.

Shasarak

Have to agree with lolling the Boomers watching TV.
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Zelen

Quote from: Mistwell on September 22, 2021, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Zelen on September 22, 2021, 01:31:19 PM
Study indicates rate of 1 / 1000 chance of developing Myocarditis after each injection: Link

So 32 people total, "Symptoms settled quickly with standard therapy and patients were discharged within a few days. No major adverse cardiac events and no significant arrythmias were noted during inpatient stay." OK then.

For many of these patients 1/1000 is significantly greater than the risk of severe outcome from SarsCov-2 infection. Contextualizing & balancing risk is key.

This also is a good demonstration to the evergreen discussion of "How reliable is VAERS data?" A lot of people who are reflexively pro-vaccine without any consideration of risk repeatedly trot out the claim that VAERS data is unreliable since "anyone" can enter a VAERS claim. (At last count more than 80% of VAERS entries were entered by healthcare providers or vaccine manufacturers, so that's a rather bogus claim, but it's frequently made.)

The information we can ascertain from studies such as this is: VAERS is very unreliable, and it's vastly understating AE prevalence by orders of magnitude.

Ratman_tf

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-Haffrung

FelixGamingX1

It's really pathetic how double standards became so natural.
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Snowman0147

He issues forth project blow dart and I will issue project beatdown on his weak ass.


Mistwell

Fuck any guy abusing the holocaust yellow star of david for their idiotic modern political cause.

FelixGamingX1

Quote from: Snowman0147 on September 22, 2021, 11:35:31 PM
He issues forth project blow dart and I will issue project beatdown on his weak ass.

Less impressed with the second video because they didn't do credential check on this dude. You know, like the first lady. He could be anybody. At first glance he only seems to be going along to get some booty.
American writer and programmer, since 2016.
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Kiero

Quote from: Zelen on September 22, 2021, 06:22:23 PM
For many of these patients 1/1000 is significantly greater than the risk of severe outcome from SarsCov-2 infection. Contextualizing & balancing risk is key.

This also is a good demonstration to the evergreen discussion of "How reliable is VAERS data?" A lot of people who are reflexively pro-vaccine without any consideration of risk repeatedly trot out the claim that VAERS data is unreliable since "anyone" can enter a VAERS claim. (At last count more than 80% of VAERS entries were entered by healthcare providers or vaccine manufacturers, so that's a rather bogus claim, but it's frequently made.)

The information we can ascertain from studies such as this is: VAERS is very unreliable, and it's vastly understating AE prevalence by orders of magnitude.

It isn't a uniform risk across all ages, either. The under-25s are much more likely to suffer from heart damage than the elderly, which will also impact them for much longer.

Reason enough for me to refuse this for my children, they can get fucked if they think they're ever being jabbed with this shit.
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