Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Kiero]

Natural immunity 13 times more effective than the jabs against Delta: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Previous study was merely 7 times more effective.

[oggsmash]

  Looks like the CDC is deciding to shift towards the pandemic of "gun violence".   What exactly does a government body in charge of controlling diseases have to do with guns?

[Kiero]

  Looks like the CDC is deciding to shift towards the pandemic of "gun violence".   What exactly does a government body in charge of controlling diseases have to do with guns?

Sorry, those were the old days, the CDC can decide whether or not someone can be evicted from a rental property. So they can do pretty much whatever they want now.

Official remits are so pre-covid.

[dkabq]

  Looks like the CDC is deciding to shift towards the pandemic of "gun violence".   What exactly does a government body in charge of controlling diseases have to do with guns?

Sorry, those were the old days, the CDC can decide whether or not someone can be evicted from a rental property. So they can do pretty much whatever they want now.

Official remits are so pre-covid.

The bearer of this letter has acted under my orders and for the good of the State.

- Joe Biden

[Pat]

  Looks like the CDC is deciding to shift towards the pandemic of "gun violence".   What exactly does a government body in charge of controlling diseases have to do with guns?

The last year saw a lot of public health departments declaring racism a public health pandemic.

At least the CDC hasn't decided they have the authority to manage contracts between landlords and tenants across the entire nation.

(What they did? And the SCOTUS didn't immediately shut it down, but gave them a grace period? And then Congress decided not to do anything about it, so after the grace period the President decided to do it again anyway. SCOTUS of course said no, leading to the Speaker of the House blaming SCOTUS for not lawmaking for her when she couldn't manage to get the votes by herself? You're pulling my leg, right?)

Edit: Ninjaed by Kiero.

[Ratman_tf]

The CDC has completely gone down the woke rabbit hole. Been that way for a few years now, and exasperated by the Covid situation.

[Pat]

The gun stuff does goes back a couple decades at least, because the CDC tracks causes of death. While tackling social ills in general should be far beyond the remit of an agency focused on diseases, government bureaucracies never seem to to let common sense stand in the way of reinterpreting their mandate in ways that vastly expand their authority. (Cf. the eviction moratorium.)

[oggsmash]

The gun stuff does goes back a couple decades at least, because the CDC tracks causes of death. While tackling social ills in general should be far beyond the remit of an agency focused on diseases, government bureaucracies never seem to to let common sense stand in the way of reinterpreting their mandate in ways that vastly expand their authority. (Cf. the eviction moratorium.)

  It was shut down to a degree.  I suspect if they are too worried about causes of death, they may want to look into 250k people dying a year from medical mistakes.

[Pat]

The gun stuff does goes back a couple decades at least, because the CDC tracks causes of death. While tackling social ills in general should be far beyond the remit of an agency focused on diseases, government bureaucracies never seem to to let common sense stand in the way of reinterpreting their mandate in ways that vastly expand their authority. (Cf. the eviction moratorium.)

  It was shut down to a degree.  I suspect if they are too worried about causes of death, they may want to look into 250k people dying a year from medical mistakes.

How long did the moratorium ending up lasting? This is how government increases their power. They wait for an emergency, push past the limits in the name of doing something, and when there's finally some pushback, it's too late. They already set a precedent. The next time people will expect it, so the politicians will push even further.

The CDC does report on medical mistakes, as well. But what government agencies focus on generally is what they think the public wants. There was a study that looked at what the American public thought were the biggest environmental priorities, and another poll of what EPA scientists thought were the biggest priorities. The actual spending of the EPA almost perfectly mapped to the poll of the general public, not their own scientists. They weren't following the science, they were following the prevailing winds. (This was quite a while ago, reported in the WSJ.) So it's not at all surprising that public health has decided to focus on hot-button issues like guns, and more recently systemic racism, at the expense of less sexy issues, like staff infections or sponges left in body cavities after surgery.

[HappyDaze]

The gun stuff does goes back a couple decades at least, because the CDC tracks causes of death. While tackling social ills in general should be far beyond the remit of an agency focused on diseases, government bureaucracies never seem to to let common sense stand in the way of reinterpreting their mandate in ways that vastly expand their authority. (Cf. the eviction moratorium.)

  It was shut down to a degree.  I suspect if they are too worried about causes of death, they may want to look into 250k people dying a year from medical mistakes.

How long did the moratorium ending up lasting? This is how government increases their power. They wait for an emergency, push past the limits in the name of doing something, and when there's finally some pushback, it's too late. They already set a precedent. The next time people will expect it, so the politicians will push even further.

The CDC does report on medical mistakes, as well. But what government agencies focus on generally is what they think the public wants. There was a study that looked at what the American public thought were the biggest environmental priorities, and another poll of what EPA scientists thought were the biggest priorities. The actual spending of the EPA almost perfectly mapped to the poll of the general public, not their own scientists. They weren't following the science, they were following the prevailing winds. (This was quite a while ago, reported in the WSJ.) So it's not at all surprising that public health has decided to focus on hot-button issues like guns, and more recently systemic racism, at the expense of less sexy issues, like staff infections or sponges left in body cavities after surgery.

Well, they are focusing on staff infections with C19 in schools and several other places...oh, perhaps you meant staph infections.

[Pat]

Well, they are focusing on staff infections with C19 in schools and several other places...oh, perhaps you meant staph infections.

Always refreshing to see you acting like a dooshbag.

[DocJones]

When you get the measles jab, you can no longer contract measles. That's a real vaccine.

The measles vaccine is 93% effective.   So yes you can contract measles after getting the jab.
The reason it is so rare to see a measles case is that the virus is now pretty rare here in the US. 
On the other hand the mumps vaccine is only 78% effective and you do see localized outbreaks of mumps.
These vaccines are different in that they are weakened strains of the live virus.
The problem with all vaccines in general is they often don't work well in people who have severely compromised immune systems.
And some viruses like corona and influenza are able to mutate quite rapidly and evade attempts at creating vaccines.

[Kiero]

And are there other vaccines that do not prevent you from getting infected, but rather mitigate your symptoms?

The flu jab is the other fake vaccine that doesn't actually give immunity.

The measles vaccine is 93% effective.   So yes you can contract measles after getting the jab.
The reason it is so rare to see a measles case is that the virus is now pretty rare here in the US. 
On the other hand the mumps vaccine is only 78% effective and you do see localized outbreaks of mumps.
These vaccines are different in that they are weakened strains of the live virus.
The problem with all vaccines in general is they often don't work well in people who have severely compromised immune systems.

No they're not perfect, but they provide immunity. They stop you contracting the virus.

There are always outliers, the immunocompromised, but also random individual instances of vaccines just not taking.

And some viruses like corona and influenza are able to mutate quite rapidly and evade attempts at creating vaccines.

Ironic, you mention the two viruses which don't have real vaccines. Neither the flu jab, nor the 'rona jabs give immunity. Instead there's this unmeasurable, pretend measure of "reducing your symptoms".

[dkabq]

The gun stuff does goes back a couple decades at least, because the CDC tracks causes of death. While tackling social ills in general should be far beyond the remit of an agency focused on diseases, government bureaucracies never seem to to let common sense stand in the way of reinterpreting their mandate in ways that vastly expand their authority. (Cf. the eviction moratorium.)

Speaking of the CDC...
https://www.cdc.gov/healthcommunication/Preferred_Terms.html

[dkabq]

And are there other vaccines that do not prevent you from getting infected, but rather mitigate your symptoms?

The flu jab is the other fake vaccine that doesn't actually give immunity.

It was my understanding that the flu vaccine is effective against the variant(s) it was designed for. However, knowing which variant(s) are going to be prevalent over a given flu season (due to flu virus' high mutation rate) is difficult to quantify, resulting in a large lack of coverage, and leading to variants against which the current year's vaccine is ineffective. Hence the typical 30-50 percent overall effectiveness.

Sounds similar to how covid is appearing to behave. Initial vaccines against the initial variant are very effective. But effectiveness tails off against the inevitable variants. The exception seems to be that (according to the powers that be) a booster of the same vaccine will result in an increase in effectiveness against variants.

It is also not clear to me if break-through cases in the vaccinated driven by the ineffectiveness of the vaccine against variants or if it is due to the vaccine's effectiveness fading.