Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Kiero]

So NZ has finally suffered a breach in our Iron Dome and woudnt you know it, one of the infected cases is a fully vaccinated nurse.

I guess they only had two doses of the "vaccine"

Wouldn't matter how many doses they have, the "vaccine" doesn't work. Especially since the "Delta" variant has evolved in response to it.

[HappyDaze]

So NZ has finally suffered a breach in our Iron Dome and woudnt you know it, one of the infected cases is a fully vaccinated nurse.

I guess they only had two doses of the "vaccine"

Wouldn't matter how many doses they have, the "vaccine" doesn't work. Especially since the "Delta" variant has evolved in response to it.

You obviously haven't seen the dramatic differences in symptoms between vaccinated breakthroughs and the unvaccinated infected. If you did, even your small mind would grok that the vaccine makes a difference.

[Mistwell]

The latest coronavirus may have displaced the various flu bugs, but assuming that's not true, I fully expect we'll see lockdowns during the next strong flu season.

Welcome to the new normal.

That is entirely possible. I can't speak yo the US system, it's probably fabulous, but the winter flu virus puts the NHS in an awful position. Coronavirus on top of that could stretch it beyond crisis.

This is one of those things you may not be worried about, it's just the sniffles likesay, but you don't want to be hit by a car or jumped by a jakie during this time. Remember that drunk drivers and random jakies are much more committed n vee the festive season..

Basically ICU beds are already full in the winter and any of us could randomly need one. There's no need of a big, or even small, conspiracy for any government to consider a lockdown during the worst period.

I have never actually seen a hospital overloaded due to Covid. I hear about it all the time. Maybe it does happen, but I can't ever remember a news crew getting some footage, even from a distance.

I saw it. My nearest hospital in fact. Ambulances lined up outside. Patients being treated in those ambulances because there were no remaining beds inside. Hallways full of patients in beds too.

[Mistwell]

So NZ has finally suffered a breach in our Iron Dome and woudnt you know it, one of the infected cases is a fully vaccinated nurse.

I guess they only had two doses of the "vaccine"

Wouldn't matter how many doses they have, the "vaccine" doesn't work. Especially since the "Delta" variant has evolved in response to it.

Every single study has show hospitalization and death rates from Delta are drastically lower if you are vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

[Pat]

Every single study has show hospitalization and death rates from Delta are drastically lower if you are vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

Why don't you cite those studies? Because Delta is new, setting up a study that's high on the tiers of evidence based medicine takes a while, and so does working through the peer-review process. So I really doubt there are a raft of studies in academic journals.

[Kiero]

Every single study has show hospitalization and death rates from Delta are drastically lower if you are vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

That's total bollocks, as all the latest data from Israel shows.

[FelixGamingX1]

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/18/health-workers-overwhelmed-covid-deaths-among-unvaccinated/

Meanwhile, in the real world...

[HappyDaze]

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/18/health-workers-overwhelmed-covid-deaths-among-unvaccinated/

Meanwhile, in the real world...

I'm working on the "front line" as an ED nurse 3-4 days a week right now in central Floroda. It is bad, but that source of yours reads like a pure propaganda piece.

[Zelen]

I think it's irresponsible to say that vaccination doesn't work at all. At the same time, it's important to be honest which is something the CDC has consistently failed to do for over a year. The masks were bullshit, the 95% effectiveness figures we saw touted were obvious bullshit, the deceptive & coercive tactics to get people vaccinated, and countless other lies.

Each individual must think about their individual risk and evaluate whether they think the vaccine is beneficial enough to warrant the long term risks (including the social risk).

I just wish we (and by that I mean society as a whole) could have a mature conversation that was about minimizing harm from Covid rather than focusing obsessively on measures like masks & lockdowns & passports that haven't and won't work to actually minimize harm. Apparently it's better to introduce medical tyranny than to dare providing monoclonal antibodies or ivermectin freely to the population.

[FelixGamingX1]

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/18/health-workers-overwhelmed-covid-deaths-among-unvaccinated/

Meanwhile, in the real world...

I'm working on the "front line" as an ED nurse 3-4 days a week right now in central Floroda. It is bad, but that source of yours reads like a pure propaganda piece.

I certainly admire your commitment.

[Ratman_tf]

The latest coronavirus may have displaced the various flu bugs, but assuming that's not true, I fully expect we'll see lockdowns during the next strong flu season.

Welcome to the new normal.

That is entirely possible. I can't speak yo the US system, it's probably fabulous, but the winter flu virus puts the NHS in an awful position. Coronavirus on top of that could stretch it beyond crisis.

This is one of those things you may not be worried about, it's just the sniffles likesay, but you don't want to be hit by a car or jumped by a jakie during this time. Remember that drunk drivers and random jakies are much more committed n vee the festive season..

Basically ICU beds are already full in the winter and any of us could randomly need one. There's no need of a big, or even small, conspiracy for any government to consider a lockdown during the worst period.

I have never actually seen a hospital overloaded due to Covid. I hear about it all the time. Maybe it does happen, but I can't ever remember a news crew getting some footage, even from a distance.

I saw it. My nearest hospital in fact. Ambulances lined up outside. Patients being treated in those ambulances because there were no remaining beds inside. Hallways full of patients in beds too.

Pardon me if I take an anonymous internet anecdote with no corroborating evidence with a grain of salt.

[Eirikrautha]

The latest coronavirus may have displaced the various flu bugs, but assuming that's not true, I fully expect we'll see lockdowns during the next strong flu season.

Welcome to the new normal.

That is entirely possible. I can't speak yo the US system, it's probably fabulous, but the winter flu virus puts the NHS in an awful position. Coronavirus on top of that could stretch it beyond crisis.

This is one of those things you may not be worried about, it's just the sniffles likesay, but you don't want to be hit by a car or jumped by a jakie during this time. Remember that drunk drivers and random jakies are much more committed n vee the festive season..

Basically ICU beds are already full in the winter and any of us could randomly need one. There's no need of a big, or even small, conspiracy for any government to consider a lockdown during the worst period.

I have never actually seen a hospital overloaded due to Covid. I hear about it all the time. Maybe it does happen, but I can't ever remember a news crew getting some footage, even from a distance.

I saw it. My nearest hospital in fact. Ambulances lined up outside. Patients being treated in those ambulances because there were no remaining beds inside. Hallways full of patients in beds too.

Pardon me if I take an anonymous internet anecdote with no corroborating evidence with a grain of salt.

Ehhh, consider the source...

[HappyDaze]

To give you an idea of what I'm seeing:

Back on Monday I was working triage (assigning acuity and managing who gets treated first). By 0900, all of our ED rooms were full (excepting a few trauma bays), and about 40% were with symptomatic Covid patients. Almost half of our rooms were with patients that already had admission orders but no inpatient beds to move to.

By noon, we had filled all of the hallway beds (rotating Covid patients into rooms ASAP) and by 1400, I was personally providing meds and treatments for 26 acuity 4 & 5 patients in the lobby alongside one of our physicians, and there was a growing line stretching for about 30 yards outside the entrance. That was all patients, as only minors and those with specific needs are allowed any visitors at the moment.

I can't agree that 99% of those being treated for Covid symptoms are unvaccinated; what I've seen is that about 1/5 of those with moderate or severe symptoms are vaccinated, but that's before digging and seeing that those symptomatic vaccinated tend to have significant comorbidities more often than the symptomatic unvaccinated  (still demonstrating that the vaccines are having a beneficial impact).

[oggsmash]

To give you an idea of what I'm seeing:

Back on Monday I was working triage (assigning acuity and managing who gets treated first). By 0900, all of our ED rooms were full (excepting a few trauma bays), and about 40% were with symptomatic Covid patients. Almost half of our rooms were with patients that already had admission orders but no inpatient beds to move to.

By noon, we had filled all of the hallway beds (rotating Covid patients into rooms ASAP) and by 1400, I was personally providing meds and treatments for 26 acuity 4 & 5 patients in the lobby alongside one of our physicians, and there was a growing line stretching for about 30 yards outside the entrance. That was all patients, as only minors and those with specific needs are allowed any visitors at the moment.

I can't agree that 99% of those being treated for Covid symptoms are unvaccinated; what I've seen is that about 1/5 of those with moderate or severe symptoms are vaccinated, but that's before digging and seeing that those symptomatic vaccinated tend to have significant comorbidities more often than the symptomatic unvaccinated  (still demonstrating that the vaccines are having a beneficial impact).

  Ivormectin (sorry about the spelling) or the sweet hydrocloraquine (again spelling) catching as therapies?  Is vitamin D part of treatment?  Curious because I see where some docs are doing stuff like this, I have a friend who is a nurse and she said they use remdezovere (again slaughtered spelling) but I have no idea what the leading treatments are for people having problems.   I did read that 40 percent of deaths are people with Diabetes, that seems to be a big stat that I do not hear much and I was curious if that is true.

[HappyDaze]

To give you an idea of what I'm seeing:

Back on Monday I was working triage (assigning acuity and managing who gets treated first). By 0900, all of our ED rooms were full (excepting a few trauma bays), and about 40% were with symptomatic Covid patients. Almost half of our rooms were with patients that already had admission orders but no inpatient beds to move to.

By noon, we had filled all of the hallway beds (rotating Covid patients into rooms ASAP) and by 1400, I was personally providing meds and treatments for 26 acuity 4 & 5 patients in the lobby alongside one of our physicians, and there was a growing line stretching for about 30 yards outside the entrance. That was all patients, as only minors and those with specific needs are allowed any visitors at the moment.

I can't agree that 99% of those being treated for Covid symptoms are unvaccinated; what I've seen is that about 1/5 of those with moderate or severe symptoms are vaccinated, but that's before digging and seeing that those symptomatic vaccinated tend to have significant comorbidities more often than the symptomatic unvaccinated  (still demonstrating that the vaccines are having a beneficial impact).

  Ivormectin (sorry about the spelling) or the sweet hydrocloraquine (again spelling) catching as therapies?  Is vitamin D part of treatment?  Curious because I see where some docs are doing stuff like this, I have a friend who is a nurse and she said they use remdezovere (again slaughtered spelling) but I have no idea what the leading treatments are for people having problems.   I did read that 40 percent of deaths are people with Diabetes, that seems to be a big stat that I do not hear much and I was curious if that is true.

Rimdesevir and vitamins B12 & D are being used quite often in my ED, the other two meds not so much at all. DM is quite common in those with severe symptoms (not sure on percentage though), along with interrelated obesity.