Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Pat]

Just read about some tourists in Hawaii that faked vaccinatio  cards to bypass a 10 day quarantine and are facing thousands of dollars in fines and/or jail time. Some people that faked vaccination cards to enter Canada are facing much higher fines.

Both houses in New York passed a bill to make it illegal to posses or forget covid-19 vaccine cards, and it's up for Cuomo's slimy signature. NY assembly member Dinowitz is calling people who do so "despicable". There's a similar bill in process in NJ.

Chuck Schumer, the lead Dem in the US Senate, is trying to get Customs, the FBI, and the Justice Department to prioritize going after fakes, using the CDC logo on the cards as justification (it's a federal crime to forge documents with the seal of a federal agency).

Your body, my choice, enforced by guns and prison. These people are evil.

[Garry G]

You been reading Taxpayers Alliance stuff again? You really should lay off it, rots your mind.

There is bad management in some trusts, it's inevitable. OTOH the cuts in funding in the last decade are very real including pay freezes for those oh so lucky staff. The significant fall in rankings in the Commonwealth Report is due to this. You're talking nonsense.

Arbitrarily cutting the number of beds to "accommodate social distancing" is just one of the many incompetent acts of the communist shit-show that is the NHS.

Pay freezes? Do you have any idea what it's like out in the real world, beyond the coddled public sector? They didn't stop hiring diversity managers on ridiculous salaries in all this time, so spare me the bollocks about pay.

Even you have admitted that people with pre-existing conditions are at risk from covid. A clinical decision to protect them from infection doesn't seem like bad management at all.

You've stated that you're in the top tax bracket. I have no problem with that but implying an auxiliary nurse on 18 grand isn't living in the real world seems a little hypocritical

[Ghostmaker]

"Papers, please."

[Kiero]

Even you have admitted that people with pre-existing conditions are at risk from covid. A clinical decision to protect them from infection doesn't seem like bad management at all.

You've stated that you're in the top tax bracket. I have no problem with that but implying an auxiliary nurse on 18 grand isn't living in the real world seems a little hypocritical

It wasn't a "clinical decision" to reduce capacity whilst simultaneously ceasing treatment of everything else for a bad season of the sniffles. Which then dragged out for months past the peak.

I'm a Higher Rate taxpayer, not an Additional Rate one. When the NHS can afford to be advertising roles like this, then they have more than enough money to pay their nurses more. If they so chose. So spare me the "poor nurses" bullshit.

[Garry G]

Even you have admitted that people with pre-existing conditions are at risk from covid. A clinical decision to protect them from infection doesn't seem like bad management at all.

You've stated that you're in the top tax bracket. I have no problem with that but implying an auxiliary nurse on 18 grand isn't living in the real world seems a little hypocritical

It wasn't a "clinical decision" to reduce capacity whilst simultaneously ceasing treatment of everything else for a bad season of the sniffles. Which then dragged out for months past the peak.

I'm a Higher Rate taxpayer, not an Additional Rate one. When the NHS can afford to be advertising roles like this, then they have more than enough money to pay their nurses more. If they so chose. So spare me the "poor nurses" bullshit.

So now covid is just sniffles for everybody and no one at all was at risk? You're heaving the goalposts around a bit there mate.

I'm just saying that mibbe you can try living in the real world like people on 18 grand a year do. You're the one accusing them of living in some lovely fantasy land.

I don't really have a problem with the hiring of an Equality, diversity and inclusion manager. It may save a fortune in constructive dismissal cases.

[Ghostmaker]

Even you have admitted that people with pre-existing conditions are at risk from covid. A clinical decision to protect them from infection doesn't seem like bad management at all.

You've stated that you're in the top tax bracket. I have no problem with that but implying an auxiliary nurse on 18 grand isn't living in the real world seems a little hypocritical

It wasn't a "clinical decision" to reduce capacity whilst simultaneously ceasing treatment of everything else for a bad season of the sniffles. Which then dragged out for months past the peak.

I'm a Higher Rate taxpayer, not an Additional Rate one. When the NHS can afford to be advertising roles like this, then they have more than enough money to pay their nurses more. If they so chose. So spare me the "poor nurses" bullshit.

So now covid is just sniffles for everybody and no one at all was at risk? You're heaving the goalposts around a bit there mate.

I'm just saying that mibbe you can try living in the real world like people on 18 grand a year do. You're the one accusing them of living in some lovely fantasy land.

I don't really have a problem with the hiring of an Equality, diversity and inclusion manager. It may save a fortune in constructive dismissal cases.

Or maybe -- try this on for size -- they could not hire some overpriced duhversity manager, and afford to pay people more than 18 grand a year.

What a concept, right?

[Garry G]

I'm not sure Surrey NHS Trust getting rid of a 22.5hr a week role is going to result in the massive savings you're envisioning.

[Garry G]

Of course this is all moving away from Keiro accusing NHS staff of being pampered and not living in the real world from the ivory tower of his cushy high paid job.

[Shasarak]

I have seen enough tiktoks of NHS staff living the high life pretending to be some kind of video stars while their patients die from the Wuhan China virus to give them much benefit of the doubt.

[Snowman0147]

I have seen enough tiktoks of NHS staff living the high life pretending to be some kind of video stars while their patients die from the Wuhan China virus to give them much benefit of the doubt.

No seriously fuck those tiktok nurses and doctors.  Why are they on tiktok during work hours to begin with?  They should be fired.

[FelixGamingX1]

I have seen enough tiktoks of NHS staff living the high life pretending to be some kind of video stars while their patients die from the Wuhan China virus to give them much benefit of the doubt.

No seriously fuck those tiktok nurses and doctors.  Why are they on tiktok during work hours to begin with?  They should be fired.

You think tiktok bad!? What about that one doctor that appeared for traffic court on video while operating on a sedated patient. According to him, there was a scheduling conflict.

[HappyDaze]

I have seen enough tiktoks of NHS staff living the high life pretending to be some kind of video stars while their patients die from the Wuhan China virus to give them much benefit of the doubt.

No seriously fuck those tiktok nurses and doctors.  Why are they on tiktok during work hours to begin with?  They should be fired.

You think tiktok bad!? What about that one doctor that appeared for traffic court on video while operating on a sedated patient. According to him, there was a scheduling conflict.

At least the patient was sedated. Imagine the horror for the OR team of having to witness traffic court.

[tenbones]

https://showme.missouri.edu/2021/study-finds-covid-19-reinfection-rate-less-than-1-for-those-with-severe-illness/

Of possible interest for those that already have gotten it. There are several other good studies from Europe and Israel with similar results for those of you that have caught it and are not getting the Poke.

[Kiero]

So now covid is just sniffles for everybody and no one at all was at risk? You're heaving the goalposts around a bit there mate.

I'm just saying that mibbe you can try living in the real world like people on 18 grand a year do. You're the one accusing them of living in some lovely fantasy land.

I don't really have a problem with the hiring of an Equality, diversity and inclusion manager. It may save a fortune in constructive dismissal cases.

For the vast majority of people, covid is the sniffles. For that tiny minority of vulnerable people who are always susceptible to respiratory illnesses (generally both old and already chronically ill), it isn't. Protecting the latter doesn't justify locking up the former. Or shutting down the health service.

Of course you don't have a problem with other people's money being pissed up the wall. Doesn't do a thing for the billions paid out in medical negligence every year.

https://showme.missouri.edu/2021/study-finds-covid-19-reinfection-rate-less-than-1-for-those-with-severe-illness/

Of possible interest for those that already have gotten it. There are several other good studies from Europe and Israel with similar results for those of you that have caught it and are not getting the Poke.

It's almost as though the way we've understood how immunology works for the last century didn't change in 2020. Even if the WHO and others think they can arbitrarily change the definitions of things like "vaccine" and "immunity".

Haha, they do nothing to save the billions a year paid out in medical negligence. Which part of Leviathan do you work for?

[Shasarak]

So NZ has finally suffered a breach in our Iron Dome and woudnt you know it, one of the infected cases is a fully vaccinated nurse.

I guess they only had two doses of the "vaccine"